Interesting leaked memo

[ShitOnWheels]

Ok, so I usually avoid political threads, whether starting them or contributing. But, in this case, the US media has not reported this AT ALL, and I thought it necessary to throw it out there for others to see. Think what you will, but so far it seems legit, as the UK refuses to deny it's authentic.

http://www.downingstreetmemo.com/index.html

[JL8Jeff]

Politics suk! It sounds like another conspiracy theory just like so many others. It's not worth getting into arguments over it one way or another because somebody will end up getting mad.

[ShitOnWheels]

Politics suk! Â*It sounds like another conspiracy theory just like so many others. Â*It's not worth getting into arguments over it one way or another because somebody will end up getting mad.
This is why I avoid political threads. But it's interesting nonetheless to look at, whether it turns out to be true or not. What strikes me as odd is the fact that the US media hasn't jumped on this...meaning someone is keeping them from doin so, IMHO. :shrug:

[Squirrel]

im just waiting for gas to be cheaper.....

[jims69camaro]

gas prices remain unaffected by this memo.

i had heard of this alluded to recently, but it was not named. nice to know someone is on the ball and could back it up with a link. instead of making what's important entertaining, which is what our media should do, they make the entertaining important. so what we get in our news reports is not necessarily what is really happening, but what the media thinks will hold our attention because they add some glitz to it. i remember a certain board member saying something about the attention span of the average board member and basically people are just waiting around for the next shiny thing to capture our attentions... of course this is true of the world, as well, but it's just on a larger scale.

jerry springer for news anchorman... he might have his sights set on a higher goal though. not many people know he was involved in politics before he became an overnight sensation for presenting the sensational in an hour-long program.

[12secondv6]

What strikes me as odd is the fact that the US media hasn't jumped on this...meaning someone is keeping them from doin so, IMHO. :shrug:

Good point..... interesting reading

[Fasterthanyou]

I'd like to see how this turns out. There should be some skepticism into the validity of the document seeing as it's only supporters are "former blah blah blah's", key word being former... or blah, whichever side of the darwin scale you're on :) .
Some might call it prudent planning. I'm glad they were looking into the inevitable. Bush does look like he's giving off a pro-war attitude to some people but there are many that don't think he is.
"It seemed clear that Bush had made up his mind to take military action, even if the timing was not yet decided. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbours, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran. We should work up a plan for an ultimatum to Saddam to allow back in the UN weapons inspectors. This would also help with the legal justification for the use of force."
I find that to be the most interesting part of the memo. How does one come to a conclusion of Saddam's WMD capability when the UN weapons inspectors had NOT BEEN ALLOWED TO REPORT IT?
I also see the word "seemed..." this coming from the guy that just made that ignorant comment about Saddam's capabilities. Looks like he was either over worked or digging up some job security. :roll:
On the other hand, it's disturbing to read some of this if the "seemed" is proven through offical documents and not memo's.
Here's another thing that popped out at me; ultimatum... What good are UN rules if there is no ultimatum? I mean wtf are the inspectors for if you can just refuse to let them in and no consiquences... seems rather stupid to NOT consider an ultimatum for such defiance. Don't forget that it was Saddam, not Bush, that refused UN inspections. When you do that, you're hiding something and when you're hiding something from "weapons" inspectors it's usually weapons. Call me out on this but I don't consider this memo to be harmful unless taken out of context.
I want to hear what the white house and Blare have to say about it. Also let's not forget about the "documents" pertaining to Bush's National Guard records. What a farse that all turned out to be.

[Fasterthanyou]

What strikes me as odd is the fact that the US media hasn't jumped on this...meaning someone is keeping them from doin so, IMHO. :shrug:
Yeah, "the man" :lol: Nobody is keeping them from reporting the news. Or it's one HUGE conspiracy :wink: again, highly improbably.
Oh, and I hope you signed the petition like I did... I want to know the real deal.
What's also weird is how it's only Democrat reps that signed the letter calling him out. Another conspiracy that NONE of the Republican's find this disturbing? 89 out of 435 is pretty substantial.

[ShitOnWheels]

Â*What strikes me as odd is the fact that the US media hasn't jumped on this...meaning someone is keeping them from doin so, IMHO. :shrug:
Yeah, "the man" Â*:lol: Nobody is keeping them from reporting the news. Or it's one HUGE conspiracy Â*:wink: again, highly improbably.
Oh, and I hope you signed the petition like I did... I want to know the real deal.
What other reason is there for no US coverage of this? I mean, the media has jumped on much worse "rumors" with absolutely no backing whatsoever. This has an actual document, tho we're not sure if it's legit at the moment. To me, it's the only logical conclusion that there is something keeping the media from even mentioning this.

[ar0ck]

I read it, and I think its propaganda.

[Fasterthanyou]

I read it, and I think its propaganda.
It all is because everybody reporting these days has a personal agenda be it right wing, left wing, it's impossible to get a straight story. That's why I watch (on occasion) Fox news network for the right wing and laugh at some of the crap they try and pull then switch over to the Daily Show with John Stewart for the left wing approach. I must say, the right wing is much more professional about it's reporting and good strong debates. No really though, I do switch through CNN and the other news networks just to get down to the facts. When you mesh them all together you'll see cause and effect at the bottom.

[CrAsH]

ya like the saying goes theres 3 sides to evry story; Side A, Side B, and the Truth.

[jims69camaro]

the only problem is that the truth is scarcely available inside our borders. it's more typical to get someone's version or interpretation of the truth than the actual facts - CNN or otherwise.

go outside of our borders for any period of time and you start seeing things you never would have otherwise.

[Fasterthanyou]

the only problem is that the truth is scarcely available inside our borders. it's more typical to get someone's version or interpretation of the truth than the actual facts - CNN or otherwise.

go outside of our borders for any period of time and you start seeing things you never would have otherwise.
Go outside our borders and you're subjected to a different kind of bias. The majority of outsiders are jealous of our success. Look at France, it's so F'd up how they keep telling countries about OUR lust for oil (which is BS when you consider Alaska, Canada, and offshore) when the Oil for food scandle has been linked to top officials in THEIR country. I don't enjoy ignoring other countries opinions but when it comes down to OUR security I have a hard time believing that leaving Saddam in power would have been best. Liberators, now THAT's an issue and I wonder if documents will present themselves proving Bush was abusing his power as president... I hope not but it wouldn't suprise me.

[jims69camaro]

if something like that is going to surface, expect it in about three years (closer to elections). while bush cannot be re-elected, it would shoot the republicans in the foot so that their representative (whoever that ends up being - i would bet on cheney at this point) doesn't get elected.

when i spoke of outside our borders, i meant in a neutral country. yes, there still are countries that couldn't give a flying **** what we do or how it turns out for us. as long as we keep buying their exports and supporting their economy, that is. 8)