Motivation for V6 guys to go fast:

[Tru2Chevy]

http://www.fullthrottlev6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6302

$100+ for the first 3.8L F-body to beat Shirl's time (11.864 @ 113.82).

- Justin

[Savage_Messiah]

Give me some turbos and some bottles and ill hit the track in a few days

[NJSPEEDER]

Give me some turbos and some bottles and ill hit the track in a few days

anyone with a 100 shot can take her time down easily. james needs to get off his ass and collect, or we need to throw a little shot on craigs car and see how low teh record will go :)

later
tim

[Mike]

i have a kit sitting here and ready to be wired up.....craig could break it at atco TONIGHT

[Tru2Chevy]

Give me some turbos and some bottles and ill hit the track in a few days

anyone with a 100 shot can take her time down easily. james needs to get off his ass and collect, or we need to throw a little shot on craigs car and see how low teh record will go :)

later
tim

I dunno if James will collect or not....only other stipulation is that you must become a FTV6 member before you can have the money..... :D

- Justin

[foff667]

Give me some turbos and some bottles and ill hit the track in a few days

anyone with a 100 shot can take her time down easily. james needs to get off his ass and collect, or we need to throw a little shot on craigs car and see how low teh record will go :)

later
tim

I dunno if James will collect or not....only other stipulation is that you must become a FTV6 member before you can have the money..... :D

- Justin

also james is already running like 100 shot on a stock block...not sure how much further he'd want to push it just for $100...and its gonna take more then a little shot on craigs car to run 11's id think...2 full seconds is hard to cut off one way or the other...especially when your talking trying to get into the 11's

[Little G]

Don't be hatin' on the nawz yo!!

[Fasterthanyou]

For $1000 I'd get HPTuners and build my own dual stage nitrous system. Leave on 100 then at the 330 or so hit it with a 150. Easy record to beat if these v6 guys knew a thing or 2 about cars ;) . Instead they'll just piddle paddle around and waste more money paying shops in labor than on the parts :P . V6 f-body crowd = crap . Look at how fast the GN's have been going with a single turbo then look at the current turbo V6 f-body's. Like Tim said, they're records are weak.

[NJSPEEDER]

craigs car is going to need more than just the 100 shot. but i don't really think he needs a ton more.
the exhaust needs to be done, headers and cat back, wide band tune, finish all weight reduction, install relo brackets, and step up to a little bigger tire so he can come out of the hole on the sauce(a 275/50 M/T DR would do the trick). adding front adn rear coil overs would definately make things easier, but i don't think it woudl be a requirement to get teh job done.

later
tim

[Little G]

craigs car is going to need more than just the 100 shot. but i don't really think he needs a ton more.
the exhaust needs to be done, headers and cat back, wide band tune, finish all weight reduction, install relo brackets, and step up to a little bigger tire so he can come out of the hole on the sauce(a 275/50 M/T DR would do the trick). adding front adn rear coil overs would definately make things easier, but i don't think it woudl be a requirement to get teh job done.

later
tim

Who stole Tim's signon? Did he just suggest more tire?

[skorpion317]

For $1000 I'd get HPTuners and build my own dual stage nitrous system. Leave on 100 then at the 330 or so hit it with a 150. Easy record to beat if these v6 guys knew a thing or 2 about cars ;) . Instead they'll just piddle paddle around and waste more money paying shops in labor than on the parts :P . V6 f-body crowd = crap . Look at how fast the GN's have been going with a single turbo then look at the current turbo V6 f-body's. Like Tim said, they're records are weak.

the Turbo Buicks are completely different from the V6 F-bodies. the only thing similar between the two is that they're RWD, and they have 3.8L V6's. The LC2 is specifically designed to take boost, and have the potential for more power. the L36 was never designed for forced induction or nitrous.

The REAL V6 F-body crowd is a good community. when i say real, i mean the people who are really interested in working on their cars and tuning them. There's a separate crowd within the community that only cares about having the "look," so to speak.

don't hate on the guys (or girls, in Shirl's case) who have done some pretty good things with an ancient engine design.

[foff667]

For $1000 I'd get HPTuners and build my own dual stage nitrous system. Leave on 100 then at the 330 or so hit it with a 150. Easy record to beat if these v6 guys knew a thing or 2 about cars ;) . Instead they'll just piddle paddle around and waste more money paying shops in labor than on the parts :P . V6 f-body crowd = crap . Look at how fast the GN's have been going with a single turbo then look at the current turbo V6 f-body's. Like Tim said, they're records are weak.

the Turbo Buicks are completely different from the V6 F-bodies. the only thing similar between the two is that they're RWD, and they have 3.8L V6's. The LC2 is specifically designed to take boost, and have the potential for more power. the L36 was never designed for forced induction or nitrous.

The REAL V6 F-body crowd is a good community. when i say real, i mean the people who are really interested in working on their cars and tuning them. There's a separate crowd within the community that only cares about having the "look," so to speak.

don't hate on the guys (or girls, in Shirl's case) who have done some pretty good things with an ancient engine design.

i have to admit its a little more complicated then how jon puts it...because of the maf being the TB as well it compicates things...ive seen people maxing out their maf with like 7psi of boost and having to do all kinda weird **** to get it to run right...dont get me wrong i think there is alot of untapped potential but few have had good luck with turbo setups for sure and just as many with nitrous...SD tuning the stock computer is a complete pita with the programming that is out there...its possible but just a pita. And again for $100 who wants to risk their motor?

[Mike]

don't hate on the guys (or girls, in Shirl's case) who have done some pretty good things with an ancient engine design.


last i checked the the lsx motors are still using pushrods, if you want to talk about ancient, and doing good things

[skorpion317]

don't hate on the guys (or girls, in Shirl's case) who have done some pretty good things with an ancient engine design.


last i checked the the lsx motors are still using pushrods, if you want to talk about ancient, and doing good things

the LSx motors are far more technologically advanced than the 3.8L V6. the design of that engine dates back to the '50s, if i'm not mistaken. just because an engine uses pushrods doesn't mean it's old.

[Batman]

Shirl's time (11.864 @ 113.82).



She have a 93-97 Camaro RS, supercharged with a shot? I think I raced her at Island when she ran that time. She beat me too. We split 50/50 for runs that day, it was frigid and windy. Pretty cool car though. Our last race of the day I beat her by .002, closest race I've ever run. I have it on video, not a good day for racing. She ran between high 11's and mid 12's all day and Iwas all over the chart. (best was 12.0 worst was 20.75 :oops: ). We were all embarrased by Mikey though as he ripped off consecytive 9.7X's in the crappy weather, wish I had that kind of cash. :cry:

[12secondv6]

Batman, please find the video of you vs her.....

Can you post it?

8 days....

[Batman]

I have it on my PC but nowhere to post it and it is a BIG file (12.MB from 1 angle, 21 MB from another). I also don't have any conversion software to shrink it :( . If you want it mailed to you I can burn itonto a CD. Also the only one I have on tape was when we ran neck and neck to the line, I don't have her 11 but I can vouch she did it.

[Tru2Chevy]

I have it on my PC but nowhere to post it and it is a BIG file (12.MB from 1 angle, 21 MB from another). I also don't have any conversion software to shrink it :( . If you want it mailed to you I can burn itonto a CD. Also the only one I have on tape was when we ran neck and neck to the line, I don't have her 11 but I can vouch she did it.

Do you have a gmail account? If so, e-mail it to me at Tru2Chevy@gmail.com

If you don't have one, I'll send you an invite. Easy to join, and you can e-mail large attachments. I'll host the videos for all to see.

- Justin

[NJSPEEDER]

craigs car is going to need more than just the 100 shot. but i don't really think he needs a ton more.
the exhaust needs to be done, headers and cat back, wide band tune, finish all weight reduction, install relo brackets, and step up to a little bigger tire so he can come out of the hole on the sauce(a 275/50 M/T DR would do the trick). adding front adn rear coil overs would definately make things easier, but i don't think it woudl be a requirement to get teh job done.

later
tim

Who stole Tim's signon? Did he just suggest more tire?

i blame you. yer the one drag racing with a damn stick shift!!!! :P lol

later
tim

[Batman]

Do you have a gmail account? If so, e-mail it to me at Tru2Chevy@gmail.com

If you don't have one, I'll send you an invite. Easy to join, and you can e-mail large attachments. I'll host the videos for all to see.

- Justin

send it to me and I'll get it out to you.

[Fasterthanyou]

For $1000 I'd get HPTuners and build my own dual stage nitrous system. Leave on 100 then at the 330 or so hit it with a 150. Easy record to beat if these v6 guys knew a thing or 2 about cars ;) . Instead they'll just piddle paddle around and waste more money paying shops in labor than on the parts :P . V6 f-body crowd = crap . Look at how fast the GN's have been going with a single turbo then look at the current turbo V6 f-body's. Like Tim said, they're records are weak.

the Turbo Buicks are completely different from the V6 F-bodies. the only thing similar between the two is that they're RWD, and they have 3.8L V6's. The LC2 is specifically designed to take boost, and have the potential for more power. the L36 was never designed for forced induction or nitrous.

The REAL V6 F-body crowd is a good community. when i say real, i mean the people who are really interested in working on their cars and tuning them. There's a separate crowd within the community that only cares about having the "look," so to speak.

don't hate on the guys (or girls, in Shirl's case) who have done some pretty good things with an ancient engine design.

i have to admit its a little more complicated then how jon puts it...because of the maf being the TB as well it compicates things...ive seen people maxing out their maf with like 7psi of boost and having to do all kinda weird **** to get it to run right...dont get me wrong i think there is alot of untapped potential but few have had good luck with turbo setups for sure and just as many with nitrous...SD tuning the stock computer is a complete pita with the programming that is out there...its possible but just a pita. And again for $100 who wants to risk their motor?
The internals might not be as strong as the GN but the MAF in TB isn't a problem. Unplug it, install LSx MAF (preferably the f-body or vette version) and update the tables using HPTuners. Wow, what a hard thing to do :roll: . There's your fuel corrections if you run turbo. HPTuners and take out a little timing to stay safe, badda bing badda boom.
So what IS the difference between the LC2 and the L36? Seem more alike than not. The block might not be as strong..

[Batman]

V6 f-body crowd = crap

I know a few 10 sec 1989 V6's....... :twisted:

[Ian]

V6 f-body crowd = crap

I know a few 10 sec 1989 V6's....... :twisted:

Yeah, but we all know that their in a league of their own. :lol: those 89 V6's were running LS1 times back then and still are, they are a little more serious than whats around today.

[Batman]

It helps the weigh som e500 poundsless then an LS1 car also, not sure with all the plastic and aluminum where they got so heavy but the curb weight onmy T/A is 496 pounds more then my Formula.

[bokey]

The REAL V6 F-body crowd is a good community. when i say real, i mean the people who are really interested in working on their cars and tuning them. There's a separate crowd within the community that only cares about having the "look," so to speak.

Just because that aesthetics are done first, doesn't mean that they aren't part of the REAL V6 F-body crowd. The first thing I got done was a paint job. That was because my grandma wanted me to get it done, and pay for it 8). Now that I have a little more money, I'm working on getting the engine. I do agree though with everybody, the V6's do have a lot of potential. You see some of the four bangers coming out 200 HP stock; just think what you can do with a 6 :wink:

[12secondv6]

just think what you can do with a 6 :wink:

?!?!?!?!?!

V6 = SLOW!

There is no potential with a V6!!!!

A V8 person told me so :wink:

6 days to go

[Tru2Chevy]

Do you have a gmail account? If so, e-mail it to me at Tru2Chevy@gmail.com

If you don't have one, I'll send you an invite. Easy to join, and you can e-mail large attachments. I'll host the videos for all to see.

send it to me and I'll get it out to you.

Invite sent..... :)

- Justin

[Batman]

Got it thanks, I'll work on it later!
-Nick

[Batman]

Do you have a gmail account? If so, e-mail it to me at Tru2Chevy@gmail.com
- Justin

Vid sent....let me know if it worked.

[Tru2Chevy]

Do you have a gmail account? If so, e-mail it to me at Tru2Chevy@gmail.com

Vid sent....let me know if it worked.

I got the confirmation that you joined - no video yet. I'll check back in a little while and see if it arrived.

- Justin

[Tru2Chevy]

Just got the video - will be hosted as soon as I get home from work. 8)

- Justin

[Batman]

Cool, glad it came through, i am trying to get hooked up here on a video hoster, see if I can get it to work, I got some more good vids. Did you watch it? Pretty close huh?

[12secondv6]

Eh..... was gonna go to EFI race this Saturday....

2 full bottles
4200 stall verter
et streets
Little 100 octane cam 2.....

And blow that record out of the water!

But.... got a better offer ;) so, no racing for me this weekend

[skorpion317]

Eh..... was gonna go to EFI race this Saturday....

2 full bottles
4200 stall verter
et streets
Little 100 octane cam 2.....

And blow that record out of the water!

But.... got a better offer ;) so, no racing for me this weekend

you aren't gonna break that record unless i'm watching, dammit!

[Tru2Chevy]

But.... got a better offer ;) so, no racing for me this weekend

Is this better offer in the form of a female? She should not be holding you up from record-breaking progress. If she is, that's not cool.

- Justin

[12secondv6]

But.... got a better offer ;) so, no racing for me this weekend

Is this better offer in the form of a female? She should not be holding you up from record-breaking progress. If she is, that's not cool.

- Justin

It is all about priorities.

Car is ALWAYS further down on the list!

[Tru2Chevy]

It is all about priorities. Car is ALWAYS further down on the list!

Yea, I know - I'm pretty much the same way. But dammit I wanna see 11s from that thing!

- Justin

[Tru2Chevy]

Vid of Batman vs. Shirl: http://www.njfboa.org/JustinImages/NickShirl.mpg

Please right-click and choose save-as from the drop down box to save bandwidth.

- Justin

[12secondv6]

Vid of Batman vs. Shirl: http://www.njfboa.org/JustinImages/NickShirl.mpg

Please right-click and choose save-as from the drop down box to save bandwidth.

- Justin

Nice vid... but I can't see her time.... oh well.

[Batman]

She ran 12.39 on that pass, I beat her on a hole shot. I think she was having some engine trouble. She had me dead to rights at the 1/8th and then I just motored back past her. She was also trapping 111+ all day and that was a 108 pass.

[Tru2Chevy]

She ran 12.39 on that pass, I beat her on a hole shot. I think she was having some engine trouble. She had me dead to rights at the 1/8th and then I just motored back past her. She was also trapping 111+ all day and that was a 108 pass.

Sounds like she may have been running out of juice.....

- Justin

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

The internals might not be as strong as the GN but the MAF in TB isn't a problem. Unplug it, install LSx MAF (preferably the f-body or vette version) and update the tables using HPTuners. Wow, what a hard thing to do :roll: . There's your fuel corrections if you run turbo. HPTuners and take out a little timing to stay safe, badda bing badda boom.
So what IS the difference between the LC2 and the L36? Seem more alike than not. The block might not be as strong..lol you don't know any about our pcm yet you bash them

1. the PCM tops out at 11,500 Hz the v8 maf goes to 12,000 even with a V8 maf it only lets me run 2 more psi before the maf maxs oh wow thet really helped me....

right now i'm tune the car in PE mode for every 10* change in the weather, ****ing PITA

2. no one thing can work bettween the motors,

3. for you info there are 3.8 seiries II motors in the 9's they are just all front wheel drive with companys back them up

plus the GN has had what 20+ years for R&D

[WayFast84]

Heres what we do, we have melisas rail tow craigs car!!

[GP99GT]

lets resurrect an older thread, shall we

[jola]

i hear shirl's run is kinda sketch. she was before my time, so all i know is what has been passed down or whatever, but i hear that no one actually saw her record-breaking run or has seen timeslips. is that true or is that just people hatin'?

[jola]

V6 f-body crowd = crap .
cool. i hope that wasn't serious. how many v6 f-body enthusiasts do you know? i believe there are a few on this very site that know a thing or two.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

lets resurrect an older thread, shall wei was linked to it from another board didn't know it was a year old lol

[Tru2Chevy]

i was linked to it from another board didn't know it was a year old lol

Heh - where were you linked from? Just out of curiosity...

- Justin

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Heh - where were you linked from? Just out of curiosity...

- Justinit was link to a search on CV6 witch is now a link to a video

[Tru2Chevy]

Ahh, is that the video of Shirl's 12.0 run?

I guess that made it's way around a bit....

- Justin

[project89]

lol did that record ever get broken? lol 3.8 guys would get pissed if i can break it with a single turbo 2.8 :evil:

[Tru2Chevy]

No one on any of the message boards has taken a 3.8 Series II faster than an 11.8xx

There is a guy with a huge budget that has a 3.8 SII motor running high 11's NA, but the car is basically a doorslammer.

- Justin

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

Ahh, is that the video of Shirl's 12.0 run?

I guess that made it's way around a bit....

- Justin
yup that was it

[GP99GT]

turbo GTP > turbo camaro

:D

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

turbo GTP > turbo camaro

:Di trap 5MPH more in the 1/8 mile then you trap in the 1/4 :-D :mrgreen:

lol just messing with you

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

No one on any of the message boards has taken a 3.8 Series II faster than an 11.8xx

There is a guy with a huge budget that has a 3.8 SII motor running high 11's NA, but the car is basically a doorslammer.

- Justin
F-body yes

there are 3800 SII in the mid 9's

www.intense-racing.com

www.zzperformance.com

[project89]

well im gonna shoot for 11.30's with this motor without nitrous.i shoudl be able to do it.if not ill be really pissed.my best of yet is 14.8 na.the head swap alone should drop me to 14.0-14.2 ish and on a 2.8 its figured to be +100 hp per 6-7 psi of boost

60* v6 > 90* v6

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

well im gonna shoot for 11.30's with this motor without nitrous.i shoudl be able to do it.if not ill be really pissed.my best of yet is 14.8 na.the head swap alone should drop me to 14.0-14.2 ish and on a 2.8 its figured to be +100 hp per 6-7 psi of boost

60* v6 > 90* v6so your to need about 25-30 psi then :nod:

[project89]

ill be runining 21#'s +25 shot and it wouldnt take that much 500 hp in a 3200 pound car will go 10.0
figure ive got about 225 now 10-14 psi should do the trick

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

ill be runining 21#'s +25 shot
might want to get rid of those 4:10 gears

[project89]

its got 4:56's in it, im prolyl gonna drop back to 3:73's or 3:42's

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

its got 4:56's in it, im prolyl gonna drop back to 3:73's or 3:42's
3.42 ;-)

[project89]

ill find out wensday how bad the 4:56's will be if all goes well this weekend ima bring the car out to etown on wensday night and make a pass with 7-9 psi of boost on street tires,if that dont work ill see how it does on 9 inch slicks

[Savage_Messiah]

I probably will remember once someone tells me but I can't right now, so newb q alert.... whats the deal with gearing in FI cars?

[project89]

huh???

[Savage_Messiah]

like, why do you wanna step down to say 3.42s, what's the issue with larger (numerically) gears?

[project89]

traction issues. numerically higher gears multiply tq more (easier to lose traction)

[Savage_Messiah]

makes sense

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

traction issues. numerically higher gears multiply tq more (easier to lose traction)
not just that

turbo's like load on the motor, those 4.56's will not spool the turbo as fast as 3.42s would

it will take longer to get into full boost.......


and traction issues when the turbo finly does spool the tire can't hold lol

GN guys run slower even with 3.73's, thats why they all stay with the stock 3.42 or 3.23 ( not many if any cars got this)


if you have 2 rears try it i bet the car is faster on the 3.42's

SC don't have this problem becuase they drive off the crank, load does not matter in a sense of boost, also taller gear helps SC in that your in higher RPM's

[Savage_Messiah]

ahhh

[12secondv6]

lol did that record ever get broken? lol 3.8 guys would get pissed if i can break it with a single turbo 2.8 :evil:

Correct me if I'm wrong.... you have no times with your set up?

You aren't ready to hang w/ the big v6 boys ;)

[GP99GT]

3800 ftw

i should be breaking 14's after this weekend...back into competition with kasey

[project89]

Correct me if I'm wrong.... you have no times with your set up?

You aren't ready to hang w/ the big v6 boys ;)
i only have times for my na setup,but with that said the person helping me build my setup,has a similar setup on his car.were building mine with better parts,bigger turbo,his is more of a street car,and we have his times so far to go by.btw my na setup makes just as much power as his setup @5psi,so im already ahead of the game i should be able to pull a mid 12 on wensday no problem

[Tru2Chevy]

F-body yes

there are 3800 SII in the mid 9's

www.intense-racing.com

www.zzperformance.com

Yea, I was assuming everyone knew I was talking about F-Bodies.

60* > 90* :nod:

- Justin

[GP99GT]

i only have times for my na setup,but with that said the person helping me build my setup,has a similar setup on his car.were building mine with better parts,bigger turbo,his is more of a street car,and we have his times so far to go by.btw my na setup makes just as much power as his setup @5psi,so im already ahead of the game i should be able to pull a mid 12 on wensday no problem

fine example of bench racing/mag racing..."so and so's car does this, so that means mine can too!"

[12secondv6]

What does it run N/A?

That is what we can judge it by.

Proven times work for me.

[project89]

14.8@94 still some traction issues, also forgot that my car is around 300-350 pounds heavier then his so it is making a lil more power then he did @5 psi.edit and that was with 0 nitrous
Last time he ran his car he was into the mid 12,s,but it cost him a motor

it really dosent matter ill have baseline runs come this wensday im ognna head out to etown wensday and pay fior test and tune make the first pass @7psi and up the boost from there

[12secondv6]

Until you go quicker..... you sir are not a threat ;)

[project89]

21#'s of boost pwns yo

lol i become a threat on wensday night as long as the rear holds together that is. slicks + 10bolt w/4:56's dont live long lmao.im praying it will hold up to one night with the turbo

[12secondv6]

Pics and video!

I wanna see the turbo installed in the car!

[project89]

ill hav epics saturday and sunday.im starting the install on friday night.shoudl be completed sometime early sunday

[12secondv6]

Best of luck.

You make it sound so easy though.

I'm DEF not a newbie in the v6 world.

What specific mods do you have done?

[project89]

massivly posted and milled heads/w reworked chambers,ported intake base to plenum/true ram air kit/full ex system/headers/monster of a cam(3-7500 power band),msd /w 2 step,built trans with 3k converter/gears,and lots of computer tunning,not to mention the 100 shot,but everytime i tried to use it ive either smoked the tires,or broken something.lol first attempt i ran .5 slower then i did without it.second attempt i broke the cam,and just recently i snapped the timming chain.

as far as being easy,it pretty much is easy the hardest thiing i have to do this weekend is build the turbo header,and its actually pretty easy (log style),once thats done alls i have to do is bolt the turbo onto the header/along with the wastegate, then make all my charge pipes from turbo to intercooler-2 tb.run my oil feed and return lines,and pop in my new chip and im done.not really more then 1.5 days worth of work

[12secondv6]

Size of exhaust?
Spec's of cam?
Built trans? specifics?
3K converter.... effeciency? str? brand? Generic or custom made for your car?
Nitrous - wet, dry, brand?
Suspension?
Tires?

As for my easy comment..... You make it sound easy to run 12's in a v6.... your engine is MUCH smaller than mine.... 12's took a bit of work on my bird

[GP99GT]

also...notice you have all that done, and youre still only in mid 14's N/A...after tuning i should be high 14's N/A with FWD and >$800 spent

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

tim you have a turbo sitting around we can throw on craigs car we can def get his ca in the low 11especailly if he buy yhtat trans kit and a new clutch

[Tru2Chevy]

tim you have a turbo sitting around we can throw on craigs car we can def get his ca in the low 11especailly if he buy yhtat trans kit and a new clutch

I think the turbo Tim has is off of a DSM. Way to small to go drag racing on a 3.8. Craig will be back in the game this fall, and I think he'll do just fine.

[/hijack]

Dave, take pics of the install this weekend, and keep us updated. I'm anxious to see how this turns out. 60* FTW!

- Justin

[project89]

also...notice you have all that done, and youre still only in mid 14's N/A...after tuning i should be high 14's N/A with FWD and >$800 spent

umm i only have about 300 in the car now and 1,100 with the turbo setup
gota rember me and my uncle run/own a speed/racecar shop,so this cost me nothing really
dont forget a 2.8 v6 thirdgen with an auto is an 18.5 sec car stock

[project89]

Size of exhaust?
Spec's of cam?
Built trans? specifics?
3K converter.... effeciency? str? brand? Generic or custom made for your car?
Nitrous - wet, dry, brand?
Suspension?
Tires?

As for my easy comment..... You make it sound easy to run 12's in a v6.... your engine is MUCH smaller than mine.... 12's took a bit of work on my bird

3 inch flowmaster dual 2.5 tails
Cam Timing: TAPPET @.050
Lift: Opens Closes Max Lift Duration
Intake 17 BTDC 51 ABDC 107 248 °
Exhaust 66 BBDC 12 ATDC 117 258 °
Lift: Intake @Valve 500 .
Exhaust @Valve 520
Rocker Arm Ratio 1.5

248/258 @.050 500/520
tci streetfighter(kit) v6 to v8 specs
restalled stock
NOS direct port wet system
boxed lcas shortened tq arm poly everything drag springs/and 3 way adjustable shocks(switching to qa 1's)
255/45/zr16's al the way around & 26x9x15 hoosier slicks
http://2wai.ics-il.com/2.8.flowmaster.idle.wav

[GP99GT]

umm i only have about 300 in the car now and 1,100 with the turbo setup
gota rember me and my uncle run/own a speed/racecar shop,so this cost me nothing really
dont forget a 2.8 v6 thirdgen with an auto is an 18.5 sec car stock

well my post wasnt really about the money spent...it was about the amount of work you had to do to get to slightly better than i am

[project89]

dont forrget my motor is how much older then urs/lacks the newer technology
what did ur car runs stock/dont forget ive seen over a 4sec increase

[Savage_Messiah]

its easier to go from an 18 to a 17 than a 14 to a 13...

[project89]

its easier to go from an 18 to a 17 than a 14 to a 13...
lol how about 18-14

[12secondv6]

3 inch flowmaster dual 2.5 tails
Cam Timing: TAPPET @.050
Lift: Opens Closes Max Lift Duration
Intake 17 BTDC 51 ABDC 107 248 °
Exhaust 66 BBDC 12 ATDC 117 258 °
Lift: Intake @Valve 500 .
Exhaust @Valve 520
Rocker Arm Ratio 1.5

248/258 @.050 500/520
tci streetfighter(kit) v6 to v8 specs
restalled stock
NOS direct port wet system
boxed lcas shortened tq arm poly everything drag springs/and 3 way adjustable shocks(switching to qa 1's)
255/45/zr16's al the way around & 26x9x15 hoosier slicks
http://2wai.ics-il.com/2.8.flowmaster.idle.wav

Stock roller rocker ratio?
What about cat?
restalled stock converter??? I'm surprised they got it to 3,000 but its effeciency and str must be really poor.

I'm just not seeing an 11, 12 and maybe a 13 second car.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

i have to agree with jame's

in anyone has been through a lesson of matching the stall to the turbo and gears, its me.....

if the turbo is that large you will not spool it at the line with a 3000 stall (~1500-1800 foot brake)

the 4.56's may help lanch and the back pessure from the turbo will choke it out some, but the motor load will be low cuasing slow spool again......

i could maybe see a low 14 high 13....

on the first time out with the turbo there will be bugs to get out...

good luck and post up some results and video

[Tsar]

well my post wasnt really about the money spent...it was about the amount of work you had to do to get to slightly better than i am
um...that's like saying my car is faster then your with no work done, and some ls1 car is faster then mine with also no work done. its kinda point less. most likely u also paid money for your car when you bought.

[project89]

no cat
stock ratio rockers (anything higher would result in pistion to valve contact
u guys are forgetting this has been doen on another v6 2.8 car and we alreayd know the times from that car
with a .63 ar on the hot side this turbo should sppol no later then 2,300 rpm and im droping the 4:56's for a set of 3:73's for now

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

no cat
stock ratio rockers (anything higher would result in pistion to valve contact
u guys are forgetting this has been doen on another v6 2.8 car and we alreayd know the times from that car
with a .63 ar on the hot side this turbo should sppol no later then 2,300 rpm and im droping the 4:56's for a set of 3:73's for now
accualy i didn't know

the hot side ar is only 25% of it, whats the cold side ? whats the trim of the wheels?

[project89]

.63 hot .50 ar cold side stage 3 wheel 57 trim t3/t4 hybrid t04e

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

.63 hot .50 ar cold side stage 3 wheel 57 trim t3/t4 hybrid t04e
umm that sounds like the one FFF had in the first kits i dont know about full boost by 2300 maybe 3000-3300

your motor is smaller but turbo will top out at ~15-17 PSI

you running the spray or turbo only?

spray out of hole could help alot

[project89]

lol @ 3,000 kid i know with the v6 2.8 swapeed to a t61 and he still spools by 2,900,his fiirst turrbo was the same one im using but with a lil larger ar on the hot side and that spooled by 2,500 .with the smaller ar mine shoudl deff spool faster.and yeah ill be spraying on the motor.only a 25 shot though.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

lol @ 3,000 kid i know with the v6 2.8 swapeed to a t61 and he still spools by 2,900,his fiirst turrbo was the same one im using but with a lil larger ar on the hot side and that spooled by 2,500 .with the smaller ar mine shoudl deff spool faster.and yeah ill be spraying on the motor.only a 25 shot though.
25 shot will help spool

but taking that away its hard for me to see how you can spool a (bye spool i me full boost ) T-61 before our motors do :confused:

[project89]

ill have to ask him again im pretty sure he makes full bost by 29-3000 rrpm,then again he dosent run high boost on his car anymore he runs 7-9 psi

edit i forgot to mention my turbo is ball bearing so thats gonna help with spool time alot

[12secondv6]

Best of luck, keep us updated.

[project89]

problems already,when they shiped me my turbo they forgot to send me the blockoff flange so i can use my external gate,so i gota wait for that to get shipped out htis week.
lol i put the new turbo next to my old regal 3.8 turbo and dam what a size diff

[12secondv6]

Also, you really can not base hp/ tq and possible ET's off another car.... it can be different

[project89]

Also, you really can not base hp/ tq and possible ET's off another car.... it can be different
yeah i know that but i get a really good idea from it,the first turbo he used was a 16g dsm turbo and he put down 255 to the wheels &6psi bone stock.and hes gone low 12's withthe t61(14 or 15 psi) but it cost him a motor (broke #5 ringland) and this is still on an engine with alot less work then mine. uguys need to remeber our engines maybe smaller but we have a****load more aftermarket support,and not to mention a ****load of goodies from gmpp.even without that 60* v6 is a whole nother engine from ur 3.8 motors it responds to stuff alot better

[12secondv6]

:scratch: Ok.

There is a miriad of cams, heads, stroker kits etc out there.

Most of the 3.8 owners just step up to an lt1 or ls1.

Hell, my combo is pretty simple and I'm doing all right.

And, back to the comparing someone to has similar mods to you.... there are countl;ess 3.8 owner's who have tried to replicate my mods/ car combo and have not come close to my ET's

Eh, oh well.... the drag strip shall show your results

[Tsar]

And, back to the comparing someone to has similar mods to you.... there are countl;ess 3.8 owner's who have tried to replicate my mods/ car combo and have not come close to my ET's

lack of driver mod i would assume.

[Turbo V6 Camaro]

i'm closing in :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: