View Full Version : Anyone know where I can find heavy-duty T-56's?
skorpion317
10-27-2005, 12:22 AM
when i build my monster Camaro in the next year or so, I'd like to have a T-56 in it. Problem is, from what i hear, they don't like huge amounts of power and torque. I've seen some that have been built to withstand the abuse, but they were mostly custom jobs. anyone know where I can find a shop or builder who can help out with my problem?
NJSPEEDER
10-27-2005, 05:35 AM
check around on LS1tech, they have a few members with built T56's. also give TTP a ring, i seem to remember reading that they do good built ups
later
tim
Pampered-Z
10-27-2005, 11:57 AM
http://www.gforcetransmissions.com/
ar0ck
10-27-2005, 12:00 PM
Mines by no means Heavy-Duty, buts its an OEM+ Rockland.
It has steel internals, over aluminum. Â*Basically everything thats common to break in the OEM T-56 has been replaced with upgraded internals.
skorpion317
10-27-2005, 01:17 PM
i checked out g-force already, the transmissions aren't strong enough for what i'm building. they're only rated to 900 hp and 800 lb./ft. of torque.
FLP offers pretty beefy transmissions check out their Level 5 4L80E
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JW :D
Savage_Messiah
10-27-2005, 04:41 PM
4l80e = auto
78camaro
10-27-2005, 05:19 PM
i checked out g-force already, the transmissions aren't strong enough for what i'm building. they're only rated to 900 hp and 800 lb./ft. of torque.
ehh only 900hp n 800 lb./ft...what do you plan on putting in the beast??
ar0ck
10-27-2005, 05:28 PM
i checked out g-force already, the transmissions aren't strong enough for what i'm building. they're only rated to 900 hp and 800 lb./ft. of torque.
ehh only 900hp n 800 lb./ft...what do you plan on putting in the beast??
1 MILLION HORSEPOWER!!!!
:roll:
GP99GT
10-27-2005, 05:30 PM
have fun driving a T56 on the street with "900+ hp" N/A
4l80e = auto
Yea but i figured with all the power he is talking about, like others said why drive a stick with that much power on the street.
JW :D
have fun driving a T56 on the street with "900+ hp" N/A
now who in the world would do a thing like that :roll:
:twisted:
have fun driving a T56 on the street with "900+ hp" N/A
now who in the world would do a thing like that :roll: Â*
:twisted:
there is one HUGE difference. yours will be force fed, matt said N/A. the drivability difference will be gigantic!
skorpion317
10-27-2005, 09:56 PM
my car will not be N/A. it will be turbocharged. if my calculations are correct, it should have slightly over 1000 horsepower and 1000 lb./ft. of torque at the crank.
time to pony up to a lenco 8)
bad64chevelle
10-27-2005, 10:48 PM
Im with Ian on that one. thats alot of ponies to be pushing through a t56
Savage_Messiah
10-27-2005, 11:59 PM
if my calculations are correct
:geek: :lol:
with that much power you really only have two choices:
1- a 'glide
2- a lenco
what do you plan on doing with this car anyway? shouldn't you be saving some money since you'll be fresh out of school?
skorpion317
10-28-2005, 02:53 AM
with that much power you really only have two choices:
1- a 'glide
2- a lenco
what do you plan on doing with this car anyway? shouldn't you be saving some money since you'll be fresh out of school?
i want to have the car done within a year or two. I figure if i don't have it done before I start looking for a place to live and all the other things that come with life, I'll never be able to do it. So i want to build the car first, that way i can devote my time and money to the other stuff later on.
I plan on having it for a weekend car, and for the occaisional trip to the track 8)
Batman
10-31-2005, 07:43 AM
Rockland standard gear and D&D transmissions are very nice.
Pampered-Z
10-31-2005, 08:45 AM
I don't think your going to find much more from a manual then about 900-1000HP. There are a few 9 seconds 4th gens using an upgraded T56 and not having problems, but who knows how long they will last.
I also don't think there are many trans that will hold up due to the wieght on our cars. Even a Lenco will die in a 3000+ LB car. Not sure if Baxter was running a TH350 or glide in his 97Z. But he was around 1300HP and I know he hurt a few trans.
Pampered-Z
10-31-2005, 08:45 AM
I don't think your going to find much more from a manual then about 900-1000HP. There are a few 9 seconds 4th gens using an upgraded T56 and not having problems, but who knows how long they will last.
I also don't think there are many trans that will hold up due to the wieght on our cars. Even a Lenco will die in a 3000+ LB car. Not sure if Baxter was running a TH350 or glide in his 97Z. But he was around 1300HP and I know he hurt a few trans.
NJSPEEDER
10-31-2005, 09:57 AM
i think george was running a level10 built th400 when he sold the car. that was with 1100ish hpi think
;ater
tim
NJSPEEDER
10-31-2005, 09:57 AM
i think george was running a level10 built th400 when he sold the car. that was with 1100ish hpi think
;ater
tim
Squirrel
10-31-2005, 10:06 AM
talk to Dave on here, i hear his family is good with trannies :P
Squirrel
10-31-2005, 10:06 AM
talk to Dave on here, i hear his family is good with trannies :P
I would laugh so hard if on a dyno it only made like 400 hp and 450 tq.
I would probably die laughing.
I would laugh so hard if on a dyno it only made like 400 hp and 450 tq.
I would probably die laughing.
skorpion317
10-31-2005, 11:02 PM
I would laugh so hard if on a dyno it only made like 400 hp and 450 tq.
I would probably die laughing.
except it won't. hell, even the stock carb'd ZZ572 makes 620 HP.
skorpion317
10-31-2005, 11:02 PM
I would laugh so hard if on a dyno it only made like 400 hp and 450 tq.
I would probably die laughing.
except it won't. hell, even the stock carb'd ZZ572 makes 620 HP.
I would laugh so hard if on a dyno it only made like 400 hp and 450 tq.
I would probably die laughing.
except it won't. hell, even the stock carb'd ZZ572 makes 620 HP.
Forgive me for not knowing, but are you using a 572?
turbo 572, huh? have fun fitting that in a 3rd or 4th gen :lol:
skorpion317
11-01-2005, 01:10 PM
turbo 572, huh? have fun fitting that in a 3rd or 4th gen :lol:
GM fit a larger engine into a 4th gen....remember the ZL1?
the plan is to use an STS rear mount turbo setup to allow more room in the engine bay. The 572 will be fuel injected. Originally, I had planned on using Scoggin-Dickey's EFI setup, since it was the only one I'd seen. It has a top-mounted throttle body in place of a carb:
http://www.sdpc2000.com/images/products/4225887_6323012.jpg
However, I just picked up the latest issue of "Camaro Performers", and saw the '69 Chip Foose/Unique Performance Camaro. It has a 572 with a Hogan's EFI intake, which has the throttle body mounted as it would be in a modern car:
http://www.uniqueperformance.com/images/camaro6.jpg
I'm going to go with this setup for better hood clearance, and a more "modern" look.
skorpion317
11-01-2005, 01:11 PM
and as i said, if the calculations are right, it should be putting out over 1000 HP and 1000 lb./ft. of torque at the crank.
ar0ck
11-01-2005, 01:36 PM
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I still think this is a crazy & dumb idea.
skorpion317
11-01-2005, 11:26 PM
I still think this is a crazy & dumb idea.
you're entitled to your opinion. i'll let you ride in the car when it's finished :lol:
you'd make more power easier with the top loader induction setup :wink:
and how was the ZL-1 bigger? they should be the same size.
If you really wanted to make 1000 HP, it'd be easier to have a big inch gen 1 small block with a procharger. you'd save some weight and the intake plumbing would be a lot simpler. Just my opinion though :)
skorpion317
11-02-2005, 01:20 AM
you'd make more power easier with the top loader induction setup :wink:
and how was the ZL-1 bigger? they should be the same size.
If you really wanted to make 1000 HP, it'd be easier to have a big inch gen 1 small block with a procharger. you'd save some weight and the intake plumbing would be a lot simpler. Just my opinion though :)
maybe so, but i'd rather go for the uniqueness factor. not everyday you see a huge big-block stuffed into a 4th gen. or a turbo'd big block, for that matter.
the reason i choose the Hogan intake is for hood clearance. the top-mount setup will cause problems unless i have a cowl hood, which i don't want.
the 2000 ZL1 was "advertised" as having a 572ci engine. However, it was later revealed that the engine was larger than that, at the very least 582ci but probably more. This was brought to light at Car and Driver's shootout between the ZL1 and Ford's Boss Mustang, built specifically to take on the ZL1.
Tru2Chevy
11-02-2005, 09:14 AM
the 2000 ZL1 was "advertised" as having a 572ci engine. However, it was later revealed that the engine was larger than that, at the very least 582ci but probably more. This was brought to light at Car and Driver's shootout between the ZL1 and Ford's Boss Mustang, built specifically to take on the ZL1.
So? Both a 572 and a 582 BBC is the exact same external size as the 454 in Matt's pickup. CI have nothing to do with fitting an engine in a car.
And good luck fitting a big block under the stock hood on any 4th gen. Can't say I've seen anyone pull that off yet....
- Justin
maybe if it has a dry sump oil system. then you could lower the engine at least another 3 inches. I dont think it would fit under the stock hood anyway you slice it.
You dont see turbo big blocks for a reason, its an abomination!
BTW, if you are gonna turbo it, do it right, none of this rear mount ****.
why not a quad turbo big block in a fourth gen 8)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Ian_F/02PHRS1_024Moran23_z.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Ian_F/02PHRS1_024Moran20_z.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Ian_F/02PHRS1_024Moran19_z.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Ian_F/02PHRS1_024Moran17_z.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Ian_F/02PHRS1_024Moran07_z.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Ian_F/02PHRS1_024Moran05_z.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y210/Ian_F/02PHRS1_024Moran02_z.jpg
84HOtransam
11-06-2005, 08:03 PM
You dont see turbo big blocks for a reason, its an abomination!
BTW, if you are gonna turbo it, do it right, none of this rear mount ****.
actually a buddy of mine has a bbc with a single turbo in a 79 mustang..last i heard it ran an 8.87...he drove it to the track ran 3 runs and drove it home..(clifton to etown)
i agree with the rear mount thing.
Savage_Messiah
11-06-2005, 10:17 PM
Ian how did you get pics of my super duper top-secret mod?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!
Kasey, I doubt you have enough money to buy even one of those heads! You'd have to sell your house to buy an engine setup like that :lol:
NJSPEEDER
11-06-2005, 11:07 PM
that quad turbo was mike moran's piece wasn't it? i think that is the car that the nmca said cool idea but NO!!! to before he ever got a chance to run it.
that tosto racing car has one thing "pro shifted", which means it was rollerized so you don't have to use teh clutch between gears, just rip the shifter.
square cut gears and an iron clutch. super efficient, light, and great for 1 pass an hour.(it needs time to cool off and unweld itself from the flywheel) :) makes a funky and very distinct smell too.
my friend, D144John, used to have a turbo small block in a 64 nova with a clutch-glide trans that used that type of clutch. it is some crazy **** to drive around.
later
tim
yes, that is the mike moran car that wasnt allowed to race :lol:
1337jeeper
11-07-2005, 09:34 PM
THIS IS THE BIGGEST PIPE DREAM EVER
tis trew. :lol:
i bet there will no 4th gen, no 572, no fuel injection, and no turbo. no crazy built t-56 either.
didn't you have a V6 camaro that got sold ?
no offense, but this is entertaining, i'll be genuinely shocked if this ever happens.
As you were....
Ryan
Its not a pipe dream, it IS possible, but its a bad decision on pats part. if he was smart, he'd hold off the big motor'ed fourth gen project until after a few years in the work force.
BUT, to each his own. if he wants to build it, I'll be the first one to offer a helping hand. its his dream, not mine afterall :)
skorpion317
11-08-2005, 02:23 AM
THIS IS THE BIGGEST PIPE DREAM EVER
tis trew. :lol:
i bet there will no 4th gen, no 572, no fuel injection, and no turbo. no crazy built t-56 either.
didn't you have a V6 camaro that got sold ?
no offense, but this is entertaining, i'll be genuinely shocked if this ever happens.
As you were....
Ryan
yes, i did have a V6 that got sold. that's what got me into this mess into the first place :D
as for the project, you'll see when it's finished :wink:
NJSPEEDER
11-08-2005, 03:56 PM
THIS IS THE BIGGEST PIPE DREAM EVER
any pipe dream, big or small is just a $1 lotto ticket away my friend. it is a long shot, but you only have to be right once to make it all worth while :)
later
tim
1337jeeper
11-08-2005, 10:43 PM
yes, i did have a V6 that got sold. that's what got me into this mess into the first place :D
as for the project, you'll see when it's finished :wink:
......spoken like a true bench racer...
as far as tim's comment...i'd say that the odds of winning the lottery are about the same as this project actually becoming a reality :lol:
truth hurts mate, but someone's gotta state it.
Savage_Messiah
11-09-2005, 01:45 AM
are you australian?? you said mate... WHO SAYS THAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
are you australian?? you said mate... WHO SAYS THAT?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
brits say that too as do the irish :wink:
Savage_Messiah
11-10-2005, 12:10 PM
is he either? :lol:
is he either? :lol:
how the hell should I know!
NJSPEEDER
11-10-2005, 02:25 PM
is he either? :lol:
why? does that turn you on?
later
tim
84HOtransam
11-10-2005, 11:23 PM
THIS IS THE BIGGEST PIPE DREAM EVER
tis trew. :lol:
i bet there will no 4th gen, no 572, no fuel injection, and no turbo. no crazy built t-56 either.
didn't you have a V6 camaro that got sold ?
no offense, but this is entertaining, i'll be genuinely shocked if this ever happens.
As you were....
Ryan
i agree everything he wants to do will cost a ton of cash.. i spent 5 grand on just a rear, some suspension, rims and tires...i did all the work myself...i like to "do it once..do it right" i still have plans for a motor and trans and to finish the suspension... it will probably take me 1-2 more years..and even then i will think of more things to do.. thats the fun of it...
1337jeeper
11-11-2005, 12:24 AM
is he either? :lol:
i am mostly of irish descent...but i am also native american. must explain why i often get all navajo drunk LOL
trans-am nut
02-24-2007, 07:28 PM
try T-56 REBUILDS.COM they were in gmht mag, a month or so ago
Knipps
02-24-2007, 07:37 PM
biggest thread revival ever....
dude the last post in this thread was made OVER a year ago
trans-am nut
02-25-2007, 04:56 PM
biggest thread revival ever....
dude the last post in this thread was made OVER a year ago
ok, my bad
Savage_Messiah
02-28-2007, 02:05 PM
and just abotu the WORST possible thread to revive :rofl:
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