Registration questions...

[BigAls87Z28]

Ok, lets see if some of you guys with the collector/classic cars can help me out.

I want to get QQ Plates for the 72. I would just have to go up to DMV and as for a classic registration right? What kind of milage restriction do I have per year, if there is any? Are there any rules I have to follow with QQ? Does it have to be numbers matching? Is there a different route to go about doing this?

I also have an 81 Bronco. I might wait till 06 to register the car, so by then it will be a Classic car, and I wont have to put up with the emissions stuff, which the Bronco does NOT have. I do have both the cats, but I dont feel like putting them in.

[NJSPEEDER]

QQ restriction is jsut 25 years old. you don't have to worry about emissions ever again, but i think they are still doing the basic safety inspection(horn, headlights, wipers, turn signals)
the mileage restriction seems to be faith based at DMV. last i heard it officialy was a 3000mile a year restriction, but no one i know who has QQ plates has ever had their mileage checked.
the useage restrictions come from your insurance company. if you go with one of the good collector car insurance companies like haggerty you can usually get a policy without any major restrictions on your use of the vehicle.

later
tim

[JL8Jeff]

QQ plates have no inspection and are supposed to be limited to 3000 miles a year I think. It's also a 3 year registration. But you have to take some decent pictures of the car and take them to Trenton to register it as a classic/antique to get the QQ plates. I think you can have them mail you a form as well so you might not have to go downtown. It's the collector's insurance that limits how/when you can drive the car. You can't drive the vehicle to work with collectors insurance. It limits you to parades, car clubs gatherings, occasional drives but is not supposed to be used as a drive to work vehicle or even as a backup. I think you'd be better off getting a normal registration and plates but you'll have to get it tuned up well enough to pass inspection. I was able to get a pretty radical 396 to pass emissions in my old 68 SS396 Camaro convertible so it can be done.

[NJSPEEDER]

form what jeff is saying a regular registration makes more sense.
besides, it isn't like it can be too hard to get a pre-emissions vehicle through. if DMV won't take it for one little thing or another you can always just go to the place derek got his car "inspected". lol

later
tim

[NJSPEEDER]

form what jeff is saying a regular registration makes more sense.
besides, it isn't like it can be too hard to get a pre-emissions vehicle through. if DMV won't take it for one little thing or another you can always just go to the place derek got his car "inspected". lol

later
tim

[camaro2you]

im goin with haggerty and classic registration 20something for the sticker saying exzempt and 300 a year for insurance. 8)

[camaro2you]

im goin with haggerty and classic registration 20something for the sticker saying exzempt and 300 a year for insurance. 8)

[camaroracer1992]

cmaaro2you, good luck getting insurance on taht car...... i have went through every freaking place possible, youre gonna run into **** saying that car is too new, etc.

[camaroracer1992]

cmaaro2you, good luck getting insurance on taht car...... i have went through every freaking place possible, youre gonna run into **** saying that car is too new, etc.

[camaro2you]

cmaaro2you, good luck getting insurance on taht car...... i have went through every freaking place possible, youre gonna run into **** saying that car is too new, etc.

thanks, hopefully they will be cool about it since they gave me a quote.

[camaro2you]

cmaaro2you, good luck getting insurance on taht car...... i have went through every freaking place possible, youre gonna run into **** saying that car is too new, etc.

thanks, hopefully they will be cool about it since they gave me a quote.

[bad64chevelle]

I dont think its the QQ that limits to 3000 miles a year its the insurance. My car is under that 3000 miles a year but Ive never had to show proof of that. Not like anyone would know the diffference because my odometer reads 000000.1 I guess I should get the speedocable hooked up?!?!

[bad64chevelle]

I dont think its the QQ that limits to 3000 miles a year its the insurance. My car is under that 3000 miles a year but Ive never had to show proof of that. Not like anyone would know the diffference because my odometer reads 000000.1 I guess I should get the speedocable hooked up?!?!

[BigAls87Z28]

How exactly do you inspect the uninspectable? There is no air pump

[BigAls87Z28]

How exactly do you inspect the uninspectable? There is no air pump

[BigAls87Z28]

I would much rather do QQ plates and only have to register it every 3 years then do it every year and go to inspection for something that doesnt have anything to inspect? Especialy after I put LT headers and dual exhaust.

[Tru2Chevy]

cmaaro2you, good luck getting insurance on taht car...... i have went through every freaking place possible, youre gonna run into **** saying that car is too new, etc.

thanks, hopefully they will be cool about it since they gave me a quote.

Every company I looked at (about 10) when I was shopping for collector's insurance either said that my car was too new (1987) or that I was too young (23).

Good luck, and let me know if someone lets you in....

- Justin

[jims69camaro]

I dont think its the QQ that limits to 3000 miles a year its the insurance. My car is under that 3000 miles a year but Ive never had to show proof of that. Not like anyone would know the diffference because my odometer reads 000000.1 I guess I should get the speedocable hooked up?!?!

there is a system in place, but they don't enforce it and 3000 is the magic limit for QQ plates (says so on the DMV website). you're supposed to get a triangle shaped sticker which is good for the life of the car. every three years when you renew your registration, you're supposed to take it to the exit door of the inspection station so they can check your mileage and stamp your renewal application.

i have an application here somewhere, but i can't find it.

you have to call an 800 number to get the application. your local DMV can supply the number. then you have to submit two photos and a photocopy of your title with the application and $65. i guess they want a visual on some of those street rods - the ones with like an original bolt in the chassis and everything else was changed...

SEMA has been instrumental in a lot of legislation. they're the ones that standardized the 3000 mile limit, both for insurance and registration purposes. now, if we can just keep the lack of inspection...

now, where'd i put that application...

[BigAls87Z28]

Well, i guess its up to either QQ's or regular registration. I want to drive it more then the 3k miles. I dunno, but I want to do it soon.

[NJSPEEDER]

get regular registration.
the car predates any emissions equipment so as long as you take care of teh safety aspect of things you will get through inspection easy.
my only suggestion is to get an agreed value insurance policy. this means that should you have an accident of any sort the insurance company will base how much they will spend on repairs on a value that you negotiate instead of just giving you a blank book value that is likely far less than you could sell the car for or what it would cost to repair even minor damage.
some agreed value policies do have mileage restrictions, but they too are normally negotiable.

later
tim

[jims69camaro]

get regular registration.
the car predates any emissions equipment so as long as you take care of teh safety aspect of things you will get through inspection easy.
my only suggestion is to get an agreed value insurance policy. this means that should you have an accident of any sort the insurance company will base how much they will spend on repairs on a value that you negotiate instead of just giving you a blank book value that is likely far less than you could sell the car for or what it would cost to repair even minor damage.
some agreed value policies do have mileage restrictions, but they too are normally negotiable.

later
tim

only one thing to add to this: replacement coverage. Â*that means that if the car is a total loss or cannot be recovered (theft) then you get a comparable car outta the deal. Â*costs a little bit more but well worth the peace of mind knowing you'll always have your car - or one very close to it based on the going rate of the market when it is declared a total loss or unrecoverable (not based on when you sign the policy). this would be an either/or situation. you can't get agreed upon value and replacement coverage, so you need to make a decision which makes more sense. since i am relatively new to owning an antique, i don't have experience with ongoing insurance (this is the first year) so i don't know if the "agreed upon" value can be revisited and updated.

hagerty and companies like them provide agreed upon value insurance. Â*just type "collector car insurance" into your favorite search engine. any other insurance company can provide replacement coverage.

[coldkilla]

nonono, how come no one knows this? nj has qq for classics and seperate registration for COLLECTOR cars. i had this on my GTO and it was great. i went through all this so let me lay it out for you guys. with qq plates you get 3000 miles a year and i believe a basic safety inspection every 2 years. you CANNOT drive a qq plated car anywhere besides to and from: a repair shop, car show, parade and things of that nature. if a local cop notices you driving it for no reason you can get it revoked and fined. now, if you plan on wanting to drive the car whenever you want and you want to classify for classic insurance through haggerty or wherever and you do not want an inspection then get the collector car insurance. go to the dmv and ask for it, you have to fill out a form and mail it to trenton and then they will send you the registration in the mail. you receive regular plates from the dmv, no different then your normal car. when you get the registration in the mail then go to the inspection station. they will look at your odometer and tell you to drive a mile around the block 1 mile to make sure it works. when you come back they look at it again, write the mileage down and give you a triangular sticker for the window good for 2 years. thats it, you get 3000 miles a year, although when i was with haggerty i only got 2500 so i had to keep it under that. you can drive the car anywhere you want. simple, done. **** the qq's and dont even think about regular registration or you have to pass inspection standards for that year. with collector you can pretty much have a blower sticking out of the hood by three feet and a parachute on the back with wheelie bars and they dont care. go with collector

[BigAls87Z28]

I had collector on my 87, and I know of several people that have it on there cars. Problem is...I dont want to be tied down by a milage limit. From a man who does 22-24k miles a year, being tied down to 3k...aint gunna cut it.

[JL8Jeff]

nonono, how come no one knows this? Â*nj has qq for classics and seperate registration for COLLECTOR cars. Â*i had this on my GTO and it was great.

Did you read the whole thread? QQ plates have been discussed above and they won't work for him because he wants to drive the car to work. Also, a 1972 Camaro with a 4 speed will have a smog pump so it doesn't predate emission's equipment so that will be the toughest part about passing. They won't be able to tell if it's working or not so you could put a dummy setup on the car just to pass inspection and then remove it for 2 years until it was time to be inspected again.

[NJSPEEDER]

nonono, how come no one knows this? Â*nj has qq for classics and seperate registration for COLLECTOR cars. Â*i had this on my GTO and it was great.

Did you read the whole thread? Â*QQ plates have been discussed above and they won't work for him because he wants to drive the car to work. Â*Also, a 1972 Camaro with a 4 speed will have a smog pump so it doesn't predate emission's equipment so that will be the toughest part about passing. Â*They won't be able to tell if it's working or not so you could put a dummy setup on the car just to pass inspection and then remove it for 2 years until it was time to be inspected again.

i thought 72 jsut had the canister and cali + high altitude cars were the only ones with a pump until the 74 model year. do i have my dates wrong?
a private shop will likely "forget" to look for the pump, so that is always an option :)

later
tim

[ShitOnWheels]

nonono, how come no one knows this? Â*nj has qq for classics and seperate registration for COLLECTOR cars. Â*i had this on my GTO and it was great.

Did you read the whole thread? Â*QQ plates have been discussed above and they won't work for him because he wants to drive the car to work. Â*Also, a 1972 Camaro with a 4 speed will have a smog pump so it doesn't predate emission's equipment so that will be the toughest part about passing. Â*They won't be able to tell if it's working or not so you could put a dummy setup on the car just to pass inspection and then remove it for 2 years until it was time to be inspected again.
He wasm't talkin about QQ, he said collectors. According to him, they're different (I don't know any better, just pointing it out.

[JL8Jeff]

QQ plates are for collectors/antiques/limited use vehicles so it's all the same. As for the smog pump, any 4 speed Camaro going back to 1967 had a smog pump so they could technically fail you for not having it. I'm not sure when they started adding the smog to the automatics. Being a 72, they probably wouldn't even realize it's supposed to have it because they'll just be staring at the car and smiling!

[BigAls87Z28]

Its a 3spd auto colum shifter, and was deliverd to Europe from Norwood. There is zero air pump, nor were there ever was one.

[JL8Jeff]

I should be easy to pass inspection then. I was able to get my old 68 SS396 to pass emisisons and that engine was built up pretty insane.

[coldkilla]

QQ plates are for collectors/antiques/limited use vehicles so it's all the same. Â*As for the smog pump, any 4 speed Camaro going back to 1967 had a smog pump so they could technically fail you for not having it. Â*I'm not sure when they started adding the smog to the automatics. Â*Being a 72, they probably wouldn't even realize it's supposed to have it because they'll just be staring at the car and smiling!

qq and collectors registration are NOT the same, thats what i was explaining. i had collector on my GTO, not qq, i went through it all myself. yes, if he wants to drive more than 3000 miles a year then the collectors wont do. and if he wants to drive it at all really then qq's wont do. youll have to do regular registration which means regular inspections. you might have emissions problems and i say this because they actually held my 68 GTO up to 68 standards (i didnt think there were any!) it almost passed but i failed for too many hydrocarbons because of the timing advance. id say if you wanted you could just disconnect/change the speedometer after you go through the inspection and hook it back up/replace the original when you are ready to go through again in 2 years if you want collectors and drive more than 3000/year.

[unstable bob gable]

The "QQ" plates require NO inspection EVER, and there is NO sticker of any type issued for placement on the car. My AMX has been a QQ car for around 8 years now. And I have never been hassled by the cops, even if I'm just cruising around doing the "7-11 parking lot shows." :wink:

[coldkilla]

yeah it all depends on your local cops, my uncle got a warning because he drove his QQ Chevelle to the grocery store and was waiting outside to pick up my aunt. cop said he wasnt allowed to run errands per the guidelines.

[jims69camaro]

The "QQ" plates require NO inspection EVER, and there is NO sticker of any type issued for placement on the car. My AMX has been a QQ car for around 8 years now. And I have never been hassled by the cops, even if I'm just cruising around doing the "7-11 parking lot shows." Â*:wink:

you know, that's what i was thinking. i had always thought QQ meant no inspection, but i was confusing it with collectors where they give you a special sticker. my bad.

so i guess it comes down to mileage, then. you can unhook your speedometer cable, but that could get you into trouble on those nights where you're alone on the parkway or something and the speed just starts inching up.

i know for a fact that if you have a tach and get the car up to speed with the speedometer connected, then reference the tach and see what your RPMs are at the speed limit then you can use that as a reference when there is no other traffic. i knew a girl who did that with her mach 1. she either hadn't connected the speedo or had it disconnected for mileage purposes. when i asked her how she knew how fast she was going, she related the above. fairly intelligent for a broad. :D

either way, it's a special application process. you've had collectors before, so you know the process, and i outlined the process for QQ should you decide to go that way. good luck, either way you decide to go.