my cat died today....

[Brando56894]

catalytic converter that is! :) im debating on whether to put a high flow cat on there or do the bullet muffler like kasey is gonna do. im prolly gonna run at the track w/o a cat at all, either an open manifold or just a straight pipe inplace. i may have the cat-back on by then idk yet, depening on how much time i have. looks like i now have something to do this weekend! and bill looks like ill be commin to you sooner then expected :D

[ar0ck]

Open manifold will sound like total ass, and probably run as it sounds. Either run a temporary straight pipe, or get a high-flow as a replacement.

[NJSPEEDER]

high flow cats are a myth. they barely flwo any more exhaust than the standard cats on teh market.
i say go for the bullet muffler in it's place. it will be a good bit louder, and ricey sounding, but there is a huge performance gain to be had if you do some programming along with it.

[12secondv6]

I wondr what the difference is between a high flow cat and a bullet muffler.

I run catco 3 inch in and out high flow cat.

I bet the bullet muffler is lighter. Prob flows a bit more due to no honey comb's inside. Makes me wonder......

But then... I'd be headers, bullet muffler... and pipes?!?!?!?!?!

Can you say weed wacker TIMES ONE HUNDRED!!!!!

[ar0ck]

IF you ever did that James, I would never EVER follow your car through a tunnel like that one time in Trenton going to Firkin. I thought my ears were going to bleed.

[Brando56894]

yea im def gonna put a straight pipe/flexpipe/plain bullet on there this weekend when me and kasey rip my old one off. just idk what to use with the catback? bullet w/flanges or w/e or a highflow? my car doesnt have to get inspected for a few more years, i just got it done like last month....

i was just thinkin do i wanna do a full exhaust while im at it or wait till i get summore money? i already have tubes... how much better would headers be then tubular manifolds? i have about $1200 to *fix* my car dunno if i can justify a whole new exhaust as a repair :lol:

[NJSPEEDER]

12secondv6, craig picked up almost 2 mph of trap speed from the 1cat and related programming. so it does help a lot. at idle/cruise craigs car is not that bad. he has stock tubular manifolds, stock y-pipe, bullet, magnaflow cat back. it does sound like complete ass when he floors it.

brando, the bullet muffler has slip fits on each end. you have to cut out the cat and a little stock tubing to make space for it. the cat in and the bullet are both 3inch ID tubing, so you have to put a short piece of 3inch OD tubing in between as a coupler.

[Savage_Messiah]

james... do itttttt

brandon... i told you already all the cool kids do bullet muffler/magnaflow. f that high flow crap

In other news I thinkmy car is starting to go, i smell the rotten eggs every now and then and it feels more restrictive than it used to

[slasherbarb]

uhh ohh

[GP99GT]

i dunno...my car didnt sound too bad with an open manifold when my downpipe broke off, but for some reason my GP seems to sound better than any V6 fbody ive ever heard, maybe its the design of the manifolds?

[JL8Jeff]

I'm gonna call the clean air cops on anyone that's not running a cat! :whip: Maybe they'll give me $$ to narc on all the illegals!:clap: Just put a new cat on it. If you need a new 2-1/2" cat I have one for $40 sitting in my garage. A bullet muffler in place of a cat is a ricer move!:rice:

[Tru2Chevy]

I would never EVER follow your car through a tunnel like that one time in Trenton going to Firkin. I thought my ears were going to bleed.

Nothing beats Matt, Randy (and Bill?) all going to WOT at the same time in the Rt 29 Tunnel.

Matt had the 454 with LTs and a 3" Flowmaster with no tubing after the muffler
Randy had his '93 LT1 with stock manifolds and Y-pipe, !cat, Loudmouth

That was WAY louder than any little 3.8 :)

- Justin

[ar0ck]

Well i think it was on rt. 29 too, it was Bill in his GTP, RJ with the Cut-Out open, James with the loud-mouth, and Chuck in his Z28, with a few other F-bodies close behind trying to catch up.

[Savage_Messiah]

I'm gonna call the clean air cops on anyone that's not running a cat! :whip: Maybe they'll give me $$ to narc on all the illegals!:clap: Just put a new cat on it. If you need a new 2-1/2" cat I have one for $40 sitting in my garage. A bullet muffler in place of a cat is a ricer move!:rice:


:supergay:

[Ian]

Nothing beats Matt, Randy (and Bill?) all going to WOT at the same time in the Rt 29 Tunnel.

Matt had the 454 with LTs and a 3" Flowmaster with no tubing after the muffler
Randy had his '93 LT1 with stock manifolds and Y-pipe, !cat, Loudmouth

That was WAY louder than any little 3.8 :)

- Justin

Bills camaro by itself was louder than all those combined! :lol:

[IROCZBeast]

I think a high flow cat or no cat gains you about 3 or so horsepower.

no cat worth it for the sound and a possible $10,000 fine?...

to each his own I geuss

just my .02 cents

[Brando56894]

it does sound like complete ass when he floors it.

thats exactly what i DONT want, thats one of the main reasons why im kinda leery of it...

[Savage_Messiah]

i get better gas milage with my bullet on than my cat

[NJSPEEDER]

I think a high flow cat or no cat gains you about 3 or so horsepower.

no cat worth it for the sound and a possible $10,000 fine?...

to each his own I geuss

just my .02 cents

ditching the cat is worth a bunch of power, my 91RS picked up more than a full mph of trap speed with no other tuning, little g picked up about 2mph of trap speed with appropriate tuning. that is way more than 3hp.

also, the fine in new jersey for failure to maintain your vehicle is $175, and i have never in my life heard of anyone getting it for ditching their cat.
the $10k fine everyoen always talks about is a federal highway fine for illegally disposal or handling of hazardous materials, which if they see teh trash bag of cat guts you can get nailed with, otherwise it is just a failure to properly maintain.

[NJSPEEDER]

thats exactly what i DONT want, thats one of the main reasons why im kinda leery of it...

if you want performance, ditch the cat. if you want to keep up appearences, get the most restrictive cat and quitest muffler you can find, cause all V6's sound like ass at all times, it is just a change in volume.

[Brando56894]

$175 sounds ALOT better then 10 grand, and you guys make me wanna do it, but the fear of a ****** sounding exhaust kinda scares me away from it. if im spending around $320 for a magnaflow i want my exhaust to sound good, not like ****.... anyway to get the best of both worlds? is there a way to make a "super hi-flow cat" (a one with half of the **** in it that a high flow does? just an idea...)

[IROCZBeast]

ditching the cat is worth a bunch of power, my 91RS picked up more than a full mph of trap speed with no other tuning, little g picked up about 2mph of trap speed with appropriate tuning. that is way more than 3hp.

also, the fine in new jersey for failure to maintain your vehicle is $175, and i have never in my life heard of anyone getting it for ditching their cat.
the $10k fine everyoen always talks about is a federal highway fine for illegally disposal or handling of hazardous materials, which if they see teh trash bag of cat guts you can get nailed with, otherwise it is just a failure to properly maintain.

good to know.

that puts an end to all the rumors I've heard then.

thanks.

[Squirrel]

Bills camaro by itself was louder than all those combined! :lol:
negative...dont think ive ever heard anything so beautiful

[Savage_Messiah]

175, that's good to know for me as well

Brandon... the solution to the ****** sound is to be faster than other people and then say "so... http://jitcrunch.cafepress.com/jitcrunch.aspx?bG9hZD1ibGFuayxibGFuazo1Ml9GLmpwZ3x sb2FkPUwwLGh0dHA6Ly96b29tLmNhZmVwcmVzcy5jb20vMC85N DMzNTIwX3pvb20uanBnfHxzY2FsZT1MMCwyMTksMjQsV2hpdGV 8Y29tcG9zZT1ibGFuayxMMCxBZGQsMTI4LDE0Mnxsb2FkPUwxL Gh0dHA6Ly96b29tLmNhZmVwcmVzcy5jb20vMS85NDM0NTgxX3p vb20uanBnfHxzY2FsZT1MMSwzNTcsMzIsV2hpdGV8Y29tcG9zZ T1ibGFuayxMMSxBZGQsNjEsMzE3fGNwPXJlc3VsdCxibGFua3x zY2FsZT1yZXN1bHQsMCw0ODAsV2hpdGV8bG9hZD1zYW1wbGUsa HR0cDovL3d3dy5jYWZlcHJlc3MuY29tL2NvbnRlbnQvZ2xvYmF sL2ltZy9zYW1wbGVfY3J1bmNoX292ZXJsYXkuZ2lmfHNjYWxlP XNhbXBsZSwwLDQ4MCxXaGl0ZXxjb21wb3NlPXJlc3VsdCxzYW1 wbGUsQWRkLDAsMHxjb21wcmVzc2lvbj05NXw=

BTW I totally call first dibs on that

[Brando56894]

not if i get it first! :twisted:

[Savage_Messiah]

screw you rich boy!

[Brando56894]

dont be mad cuz i saved up money from stuff :-P

[Savage_Messiah]

yea, calling up mommy and saying "put more money in the bank for my car?" is really saving up, bucko :finger:

[JL8Jeff]

ditching the cat is worth a bunch of power, my 91RS picked up more than a full mph of trap speed with no other tuning, little g picked up about 2mph of trap speed with appropriate tuning. that is way more than 3hp.

also, the fine in new jersey for failure to maintain your vehicle is $175, and i have never in my life heard of anyone getting it for ditching their cat.
the $10k fine everyoen always talks about is a federal highway fine for illegally disposal or handling of hazardous materials, which if they see teh trash bag of cat guts you can get nailed with, otherwise it is just a failure to properly maintain.

Well, a high flow cat won't cost you more than 3-5 hp so if you picked up that much then you had some serious previous tuning and maintenance issues that started killing that cat way too soon. I've got some articles showing that dual cats only slowed an 11 second car down .1 in the 1/4 mile. When they compared cats vs mufflers, the mufflers slowed it down by .4 compared to the cats .1 so cats are not restrictive like all you guys like to think they are. Now if you have a lousy factory cat(like the 1990 454SS pickup) then replacing it with a better flowing cat is a no brainer. Now if you leaned your car out too much with tuning then you probably damaged the cat from excessively high exhaust temps.

[Tru2Chevy]

Bills camaro by itself was louder than all those combined! :lol:

Nope....Bill's Camaro was bad-ass alright, but it didn't compare to Randy and Matt together.

- Justin

[Brando56894]

yea, calling up mommy and saying "put more money in the bank for my car?" is really saving up, bucko :finger:

i saved money previously ******* :-P

[foff667]

Nope....Bill's Camaro was bad-ass alright, but it didn't compare to Randy and Matt together.

- Justin

yeah i didnt like the ear piercing sound coming from the exhaust at even part throttle...I liked my idle more then either of their cars though.

[slasherbarb]

kasey and brandon...if you need help with installing anything this weekend give me a call...im free sat morning...maybe you guys can help with the install of my new "goodie".. :wink:

[Brando56894]

sounds good. could we do it at your place instead? i dont really think my cars up to driving to kaseys house at the moment :(

[Savage_Messiah]

yea your car is a POS

John you have a lto of tools?

[Savage_Messiah]

ditching the cat is worth a bunch of power, my 91RS picked up more than a full mph of trap speed with no other tuning, little g picked up about 2mph of trap speed with appropriate tuning. that is way more than 3hp.

also, the fine in new jersey for failure to maintain your vehicle is $175, and i have never in my life heard of anyone getting it for ditching their cat.
the $10k fine everyoen always talks about is a federal highway fine for illegally disposal or handling of hazardous materials, which if they see teh trash bag of cat guts you can get nailed with, otherwise it is just a failure to properly maintain.

I have a friend who is an EMT in my town, he knows some of the cops who have deleted their cats (mustangs), gonna have him get their word on it

[Savage_Messiah]

actually he said "most cops most cops don't know what a cat is, and if they do, they prob work on their owns cars s o won't give a ****" and that they wouldn't check for one anyway... maybe it's just my town i dunno

[slasherbarb]

i dont have a huge selection of tools...but definately enough to install a cat/bullet muffler...but if ur talking about a cutter and that stuff...that i dont have...plus working by my house isnt really to possible...dont really have a whole lot of room by me...plus if i had an air compressor, things could go a lot easier...i think we should work by kaseys...plus brandon i can drive around in ur car for a bit to see what is really wrong with it...

[Brando56894]

aight thats fine, as long as it doesnt blow up by then :lol: i was drivin kasey around to show him what it was doin and when we got finished it was really bad.... he followed my to lot 6 (we were parked in lot 2) and it was shuddering like crazy and i was only doin 30 :( i hope its not something really bad..... if it is that really sucks, but atleast i have the money for it.

[slasherbarb]

yeah...now does anyone have a harmonic balancer puller so i can pull my harmonic balancer off...plus, kasey, u good at belts...i might change my belt around and could definately use help with it...

[Savage_Messiah]

I can give it a shot as long as it's not me, tim and justin in teh dark in tim's driveway... we were teh sux0rs at belts that night :lol:

working at my house is cool but ive also got no sawzall

[Brando56894]

so how are we supposed to get my cat off?

[slasherbarb]

i might be able to get a sawzall...ill ask my friend dave if i can borrow his...but the belt shouldnt be too hard to do...just running it will be a bitch since lt1=no room...and dont start with the v6=greater than all crap...

[12secondv6]

Why not dyno before mod... then after... and ONLY tune to delete O2 codes and see what the gains are?

I just can't see that my car would benifit from no cat (bullet muffler) from a high flow cat.

My car would be ongodly loud/ ricerish

[Brando56894]

thats what im planning on doing james, well about that, i was plannin on running it w/stock exhaust, then with a magnaflow, then with my car tuned for it. and thanks for tryin john, i could possibly borrow one of kaseys cats (u said u have 2 right?) cuz i wanted to see how much all that made a difference...

[Savage_Messiah]

I have my car tuned for the bullet muffler and aisde from it being quicker (I have no before/after dynos or times from that mod only, sorry), I get better gas milage with the bullet on than the cat

[Savage_Messiah]

I have 2 stock LS1 cats at my house, just need to get one off of the y-pipe and... adapt it to your car

or... buy that bullet now and get it shipped my my house

[Brando56894]

im gonna order it tonight hopefully it'll get there in time...

[Savage_Messiah]

Why not dyno before mod... then after... and ONLY tune to delete O2 codes and see what the gains are?

I just can't see that my car would benifit from no cat (bullet muffler) from a high flow cat.

My car would be ongodly loud/ ricerish

I just can't see that my car would benefit from removing the windshield wipers.

[Brando56894]

I just can't see that my car would benefit from removing the windshield wipers.

huh?

[Savage_Messiah]

he has removed his windshield washers