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BigAls87Z28
12-08-2005, 11:42 PM
The very car everyone has been waiting for since 2002.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/BigAlZ/Camaro%20Concept/Camaro5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/BigAlZ/Camaro%20Concept/2009camarofrontsus.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/BigAlZ/Camaro%20Concept/2009camarointerior.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/BigAlZ/Camaro%20Concept/2009camarorearsus.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/BigAlZ/Camaro%20Concept/camaro1.jpg
BigAls87Z28
12-08-2005, 11:43 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/BigAlZ/Camaro%20Concept/Camaro.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/BigAlZ/Camaro%20Concept/camaroint.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/BigAlZ/Camaro%20Concept/camarounderbody.jpg
Savage_Messiah
12-08-2005, 11:47 PM
hmmm IRS eh?
ar0ck
12-08-2005, 11:50 PM
wow, look how restrictive the exhaust looks at the cat! At least its partially a true duel system...
I like the interior drawings, I like the CADS design, but I'm not really liking the over-all concept look of it. Guess we will have to wait till next month; right Al?
Savage_Messiah
12-08-2005, 11:52 PM
discuss in my thread damnit! :lol:
BigAls87Z28
12-09-2005, 12:06 AM
The concept in detroit will look different then this. Like I said in the other thread, there was an 11th hour revision of front and rear end, as well as some other details.
Scott Settlmire is in love with the real concept. I love this concept, I wish they didnt go so 69 with it, but love it. I cant wait to see the more modern front end.
Batman
12-09-2005, 07:56 AM
Does it come with those handy jackstands you can see underneath it? :D
12secondv6
12-09-2005, 08:13 AM
Well..... from a manufacture's stand point....... it ain't done yet.... so hopefully people don't bash it.
Looks pretty damn impressive from an engineering point.... looks like a lot of bits from the vette :)
Style wise.....outside..... just damn gorgeous..... I can not find a problem area one bit.....and this isn't even a final production car..... we have preproduction cars at work... so I know how things get different from them to final production.
interior.... I'd need to see real pictures....
I was prob the worst person on the site w/ GM comments..... looks like they pulled through.
Since the radical styling (which is gorgeous) I wonder if it will be a slightly limited production car?
jims69camaro
12-09-2005, 09:34 AM
Since the radical styling (which is gorgeous) I wonder if it will be a slightly limited production car?
if it's as popular as the mustang, they will have to put on extra shifts at the plant to keep up with demand. i, for one, am hoping it is that popular. i cannot wait to see it in person, to touch it, to inspect it up and down. as long as it's a working concept, like the solstice was, it will be neat to see how things fit together, etc.
i like the overall styling. i love the way the seat bolsters appear - something to keep you in your seat while you're pullin .9g turns at 150 mph :twisted: the IRS might not make it into production. if it does, it will be interesting to see how it stacks up against a mustang, a corvette (for half the price?!?) and the viper. the shelby camp had said something about bringing back the GT500 - how will the SS fare against it?
BigAls87Z28
12-09-2005, 10:30 AM
Ok, the car you see is just a clay mock up. Thats it.
The chassis stuff you see WILL BE production. That is what the Camaro WILL ride on. It uses the same suspension set up that can be found in the CTS-V.
Ill have to find pictures that are floating around of a new CTS-V, and you can see the similarties between Sigma and Sigma lite.
Now, as for the GT500, they seem to be aiming at the Corvette, as Ford does NOT have a Corvette type car in its stable. The GT is WAY to expensive (and still gets its ass handed to it by the 1/2 the price Z06), so Ford's only road is to go after the Vette.
Z28 will be top model as it always has been Anyone who would like to dispute the fact that Z28 has never been the top model, here are somethings to think about
Z28 was always the race car as it was the SCCA Trans Am car that raced in that series. Its 302 could keep up with many 396 SS Camaros.
In 1970, the LT-1 equiped Z28's could run rings around 396(402) Big Block 2nd gens.
From 74 to 95, Z28 was always the top model, and from 96 to 02, it was the top model made by GM. SS was a Tier 1 aftermarket supplied model done by SLP Engineering.
Z28 has always been and will continue to be the top model. Expect a Z28 model to be delayed a year from production, so MY2009.
camaro2you
12-09-2005, 12:36 PM
that would be worthy of trading the vette in for one.
BonzoHansen
12-09-2005, 01:15 PM
...I wish they didnt go so 69 with it....That is exactly what they need to do. Love the 1st gen!
foff667
12-09-2005, 01:19 PM
all i know is it looks like its got 3 cats ewww & irs...personally i like the styling alot & the stock true dual thing its got going on.
foff667
12-09-2005, 01:21 PM
a shot of the engine bay would be the only thing I need now :D
so whats with the chopped pics? is it gonna look like the one on the right or the left? i like the rear tho...
qwikz28
12-09-2005, 01:52 PM
so whats with the chopped pics? is it gonna look like the one on the right or the left? i like the rear tho...
we dont know yet. i assume it will only hint at that design.
i think GM should focus on the interior as well to battle out the big sellers like the BMW and G35. i know its not in the same class but a nice interior could steal some sales from the japanese by doing so.
Dark_Knight7096
12-09-2005, 02:39 PM
[QUOTE=jims69camaro]the shelby camp had said something about bringing back the GT500 QUOTE]
FYI, the GT500 IS back. It will be released in 2006-2007. It is supposed to have a supercharged 5.4L putting out between 450-460 horsepower. Retail is supposed to be around 40K.
http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_newyork/mustang/images/z14_HR.jpg
http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_newyork/mustang/images/z32_HR.jpg
http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_newyork/mustang/images/z48_HR.jpg
http://www.autoweek.com/files/specials/2005_newyork/mustang/images/2_HR.jpg
Hopefully whatever is the highest trim model of the new camaro is (probably SS) I just hope Chevy makes sure it can compete with the new GT500. Ford did make sure to do that right!
pics in the last post dont work
Savage_Messiah
12-09-2005, 03:30 PM
yea they do
damn ford, stealing z06 rims for the new GT500
BigAls87Z28
12-09-2005, 04:17 PM
Jesus...SS IS NOT TOP CAMARO!! Arg....
The "chopped" pictures are REAL pictures. It is of a life sized clay model.
As for the engines, probably selection of 3.9, 5.3, 6.0, and new 6.2
12secondv6
12-09-2005, 06:00 PM
:woot: V6!
ar0ck
12-09-2005, 07:21 PM
FYI, the new Shelby GT500, is the new style mustangs "Cobra".
I just noticed the camaro concept has a 2 piece driveshaft. I dont know how I feel about that from a drag racing standpoint.
Savage_Messiah
12-09-2005, 11:34 PM
until 2000 or 01 all the 4th gen V6's came with steel 2-piece driveshafts :shrug:
until 2000 or 01 all the 4th gen V6's came with steel 2-piece driveshafts :shrug:
yeah, V6's. they dont ususally produce the kinda torque that will break the cv joint in the middle. :rollseye:
NLinnear
12-10-2005, 05:30 AM
There are some products out now for that suspension. BMR makes some products for the CTS-V that stiffen up the rear and greatly reduce wheel hop. The 2006 models get a stronger rear differential. I am waiting to see how long it takes to break this one with 450 rwhp (the customer is on his 6th. diff).
I believe there are only 2 cats and one resonator that can be easily replaces with an x-pipe.
There is a carbon fiber driveshaft available. I'm sure there will be an aluminum version out shortly.
Al, your saying that GM, specifically Chevrolet, is not going to use an SS option as the top of the line model. When the Z/28 was the top model for the Camaro, the Z/24 was the top model for the Cavalier, etc... Now GM is using the SS badge. Why would they not follow suit?
Savage_Messiah
12-10-2005, 06:29 AM
2 piece ds = HEAVY thats why THEY suck!
NLinnear
12-10-2005, 01:14 PM
I have been seeing on other boards the whole "which is the top of the line model" discussion.
Brando56894
12-10-2005, 07:18 PM
i dont really like the look of the new mustangs that much, although i do love the look of the new gt500 :D and who drew all those damn arrows on the concept pics? :mad:
jims69camaro
12-10-2005, 07:20 PM
i didn't know i was going to be sparking such controversy. i merely used SS in my post as it came to mind that chevy is overusing the SS badges right now. sure, Z/28 has been, and will be, the top dog.
qwikz28
12-10-2005, 07:22 PM
ss is a z28 option so this is all null anyway. hence the z28 ss
jims69camaro
12-10-2005, 07:25 PM
Z/28 is an old RPO. SS is a badge. next?
i wouldn't want to be the guy that has to make that assembly in pro/e
Z/28 is an old RPO. SS is a badge. next?
and a whole bunch of extra weight!
Lets all remember what the fastest stock LS1 F-body was. A Z28! Evan Smith drove one to the tune of 12.8 seconds in completely stock form. the fastest an SS went was 12.9. the Z28 is defintily the top level camaro trim.
Oddball
12-11-2005, 12:04 PM
Don't forget the venerable IROC's which were above the Z-28's
Savage_Messiah
12-11-2005, 12:17 PM
IDOC ZEEEEEEEEEEEEES
BigAls87Z28
12-11-2005, 05:54 PM
Outiside of 85-87, IROC was an additional package that went along with the Z28, not replaced it.
I dont wana get into the Z28 battle. Some look to what Chevy is doing with there cars now and the SS package, but it doesnt explain the Z06.
LS1Hawk
12-11-2005, 07:27 PM
A friend of mine sent me this article from Popular Hot Rodding http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0409phr_camaro/ about the next Camaro. (Obviously old because they talk about the Camaro being built on the Zeta platform.) If you look at the second paragraph, they mention this about the F-body: "Over the years it was everything from a limited-production big-block muscle car to an underpowered 4-cylinder economy car..." A 4cyl F-body? Did this ever exist? Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but as far as I know I never heard of this. Clarity would be appreciated. The rest of the article is pretty good in explaining the details of why they had to kill the F-body.
Oddball
12-11-2005, 07:33 PM
A friend of mine sent me this article from Popular Hot Rodding http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0409phr_camaro/ about the next Camaro. (Obviously old because they talk about the Camaro being built on the Zeta platform.) If you look at the second paragraph, they mention this about the F-body: "Over the years it was everything from a limited-production big-block muscle car to an underpowered 4-cylinder economy car..." A 4cyl F-body? Did this ever exist? Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but as far as I know I never heard of this. Clarity would be appreciated. The rest of the article is pretty good in explaining the details of why they had to kill the F-body.
Yup -- the old "Iron Duke" engine in the early third gens.
nj85z28
12-11-2005, 07:53 PM
not the all powerful V6 Camaro.....
Tru2Chevy
12-11-2005, 08:12 PM
Yup -- the old "Iron Duke" engine in the early third gens.
Heh - all 2.5L of raging fury were available in the 82-84 model year Camaros and 'Birds.
- Justin
i dont really like the look of the new mustangs that much, although i do love the look of the new gt500 :D
Im with you... hands down, the only "mustang" id ever drive would be Eleanor, 67 Shelby GT500, silver metallic :drool: [/unwanted rant]
Tru2Chevy
12-11-2005, 08:17 PM
Im with you... hands down, the only "mustang" id ever drive would be Eleanor, 67 Shelby GT500, silver metallic :drool: [/unwanted rant]
Not to be picky or anything, but Eleanor was actually a yellow and black '73 Mustang. :p
http://www.blaskan.nu/Bilder/Bilder3/eleanor.jpg
- Justin
Ok Don Adams aka Get Smart :-D Eleanor II :-P
Brando56894
12-11-2005, 08:28 PM
i like the gt500, the old shelby cobra, the 65 or 67 fastback, the 5.0 foxbodies, and believe it or not the 99 (?) to 2003 mustangs (but under the nice looks theyre a piece of crap, well the 6 bangers are)
BigAls87Z28
12-11-2005, 08:58 PM
Actualy, it will use Zeta. The picture of the chassis is Zeta, or so Im told now. It is not Sigma-lite. The relation of Simga-Lite, Zeta, VE, and everything else is still very cloudy. But I was informed that the chassis CAD pics are of Zeta, and not Simga lite.
Actualy, it will use Zeta. The picture of the chassis is Zeta, or so Im told now. It is not Sigma-lite. The relation of Simga-Lite, Zeta, VE, and everything else is still very cloudy. But I was informed that the chassis CAD pics are of Zeta, and not Simga lite.
so does that mean the production camaro will get zeta or sigma-lite? I was under the impression that zeta was shelved for now. If what is pictured is a zeta chassis, then if the camaro uses sigma-lite, it wont look like that underneath. correct?
LS1Hawk
12-12-2005, 05:53 AM
Heh - all 2.5L of raging fury were available in the 82-84 model year Camaros and 'Birds.
- Justin
Well ya learn something new everday! Never knew about those. As for the platform for the new Camaro, everything I've heard recently points to a "Sigma-Lite" for the new Camaro. Originally they were going to build the next gen GTO on the Zeta, but since Zeta got canned, it will probably be on the Sigma as well, from what I've heard. . .
jims69camaro
12-12-2005, 06:08 AM
the shelby camp had said something about bringing back the GT500
FYI, the GT500 IS back. It will be released in 2006-2007. It is supposed to have a supercharged 5.4L putting out between 450-460 horsepower. Retail is supposed to be around 40K.
dude, when it comes to new automobiles, i'll believe it when i see it. although hopes are running high that GM will bring back the camaro, it's not a slam-dunk. it's not even certain that the shelby will be released my2007, and we're a long way off from the launch date. so, as far as any car being certain for market, i'll believe it when i see it.
BigAls87Z28
12-12-2005, 10:56 AM
Zeta was never shevled, just put to the side as the GMT900's moved foward to give GM a boost in profit. Zeta was redesigned in a way to fit GM North American parameters and is now being fast tracked to the front line. Rumor has it that GM is pushing the Zeta chassis as fast as they can, even delaying the next generation Epsilon cars, one being the 2008 Chevy Malibu which was said to blow the doors off the Accord, Camry, and anything else. Thoes that had seen the concept were amazed and delighted that this was a Malibu. It was a bright light, but GM has pushed it to the side, and Malibu and G6 will ride on Epsilon I till 2010. Saturn Aura will have to put up a good fight till then.
To thoes saying "who gives a **** about the Malibu?", everyone does. Epsilon II will bring a lot for GM, especialy more main streem AWD cars. It will be more flexable then todays Epsilon, and will replace some of the W body cars. I kinda saw this coming, that 2 big chassis, Zeta and EPII couldnt be brought to the table at the same time. Upsetting to say the least. Now when the Malibu does hit the streets in 2010, it will already be dated and mid pack, already needing an upgrade.
As for possiblity or "slam dunk" chance of a Camaro, Ill put it this way. Michael Jordan has the ball, and hes flying down the court, and Kasey is the only one to stop him.
Savage_Messiah
12-12-2005, 12:22 PM
bad analogy, I could smash his kneecaps or tie his shoelaces together to make him trip over himself
Brando56894
12-12-2005, 01:33 PM
kinda hard to tie sum1s shoes together when theyre running :rolleyes:
Savage_Messiah
12-12-2005, 03:28 PM
not with my fidget powers
Brando56894
12-12-2005, 04:04 PM
ahh ok
jims69camaro
12-12-2005, 04:23 PM
like i said, i'll believe it when i see it. too many variables and too many things could go wrong between now and then. hell, look how close the malibu was to market - only to be shelved to make way for other platforms...
i've put my car buying plans on hold for the time being. at least until january.
NLinnear
12-13-2005, 07:02 AM
I heard the Camaro might be shelved for the all-new, totally redesigned.....
Chevette SS :cool: :lol:
coldkilla
12-13-2005, 08:58 AM
like i said, i'll believe it when i see it. too many variables and too many things could go wrong between now and then. hell, look how close the malibu was to market - only to be shelved to make way for other platforms...
i've put my car buying plans on hold for the time being. at least until january.
thats about the smartest thing about this thread. there is absolutely zero sense in arguing and getting all pavlonian over a car that technically doesnt exist yet. way too many things have gone wrong/differently in the history of the automotive industry at "the last minute" to really devote too much passion towards a "good looking piece of clay". by not giving a ****, im softening the blow of if/when it doesnt happen or happens all wrong. and if it goes well, then ill be more than pleasantly suprised. tho i dont think ill be buying a car that is gonna get me sued when someone impales themselves on my side mirrors!
oh and if you're the type of person that makes huffing noises, gets blurry vision and shakes their fist when someone says that the ss is over the z28, take a valium and go for a walk.
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