View Full Version : the death of tookie
jims69camaro
12-13-2005, 06:06 AM
the former crips leader and co-founder was killed this morning by lethal injection for the murder of 4 people.
read the story (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/12/13/williams.execution/index.html).
then take the poll.
edit: link fixed.
ShitOnWheels
12-13-2005, 06:31 AM
Uh, your link goes to a different story apparently.
Your link goes to some grandma selling shma ma
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/12/13/williams.execution/index.html
1. growing up outside trenton ive witnessed the explosion of the gang problem.
2. being a corrections officer i deal with bloods and crips ever ****** day.....
even if his work over the years redeemed his 4 crimes, being the father of what is probably the 2nd most notorious gang in this country, you would have to consider him as a accomplice/accessory/conspirator in EVERY murder/theft/assault/drug sale/etc. that a crip member has made in the last 3 decades....
the man needed to be made an example of, if not for current gang members to chill out, then for city youths that havent decided their path yet....if his execution keeps one inner city kid from every city in america from joining a gang, than it was worth it no matter what your opinion on the death penalty is.
rant over
foff667
12-13-2005, 08:16 AM
1. growing up outside trenton ive witnessed the explosion of the gang problem.
2. being a corrections officer i deal with bloods and crips ever ****** day.....
even if his work over the years redeemed his 4 crimes, being the father of what is probably the 2nd most notorious gang in this country, you would have to consider him as a accomplice/accessory/conspirator in EVERY murder/theft/assault/drug sale/etc. that a crip member has made in the last 3 decades....
the man needed to be made an example of, if not for current gang members to chill out, then for city youths that havent decided their path yet....if his execution keeps one inner city kid from every city in america from joining a gang, than it was worth it no matter what your opinion on the death penalty is.
rant over
couldnt have said it better myself
jims69camaro
12-13-2005, 08:39 AM
Your link goes to some grandma selling shma ma
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/12/13/williams.execution/index.html
which was an interesting story, too. sorry about the mixup. link fixed.
oh, and you forgot to take the poll. :D
coldkilla
12-13-2005, 08:40 AM
i couldnt give a **** if he came up with a cure for cancer while he was in the pen. it wouldnt change the fact that the stupid mother****er shotgunned 4 people and was cofounder of one of a nation wide problem. burn faggot, burn.
Well... now i noticed I couldve picked 2.... but I feel on good behavior his life shouldve been spared. Im not saying he shouldve been set free, but IMO I think he was guilty. Havent we all seen people in DP-Supported states get away with several killings and just have a few consecutive life sentences w/no Death Penalty? Reguardless if he co-founded the Crips or not, that should not have been taken into consideration while deciding on a death penalty.
foff667
12-13-2005, 02:19 PM
sorry...if your convicted & sentenced to death i say do it quick. The guys been on death row for what 25 years now? Kill em after like a year then all the sorry sobs cant come out and be like "oh but he wrote these lovely childrens books" "oh but he's changed his life around" dont forget about the people he killed & the people he recruited that killed people or those people recruits & so on. People put too much emphasis on the minority rather then the majority...what about those peoples families that have died from gang violence? What about the kids that have died from stray bullets from gang shootings...wonderful they read this guys book but hey now their dead. Anyone that feels bad for this guy get it out of your head...hes a murderer no more no less.
Tru2Chevy
12-13-2005, 02:20 PM
Reguardless if he co-founded the Crips or not, that should not have been taken into consideration while deciding on a death penalty.
Umm...I have to disagree with that part right there. They often use documented actions in someone's life to paint a picture of their character, right? This guy founded an organization that thinks it's ok to kill people because they are wearing a certain color while walking down a certain block in their own hometown. I just can't see anyone forgetting that little detail.
- Justin
cofounding the crips didnt have a bearing on him being sentanced to death...it had an effect on him not getting clemency now...which it very well should...
if saddam wrights a couple books on the values of democracy, should we forget everything he has done? what about osama?
9secfirebird
12-13-2005, 03:48 PM
please add an option onto the poll:
Yes, Yes it was legal...i mean...he was black for christs sake, how many more reasons do ya want?!
ar0ck
12-13-2005, 04:18 PM
They should have done it quicker. Like when he was convicted of the crime.
bitchincamaro
12-13-2005, 05:01 PM
no matter how many anti gang books he wrote for children nothing is going to bring back the lives of 4 innocent people. if they were to issue the death penalty they should have followed through with it 25 years ago. and if they are to administer death they should be able to do it right, not miss veins and prolong the awaiting death. that sounds like cruel and unusual punishment. capital punishment should be to remove waste not torture.
jims69camaro
12-13-2005, 06:53 PM
please add an option onto the poll:
Yes, Yes it was legal...i mean...he was black for christs sake, how many more reasons do ya want?!
i think the poll is well represented. i don't get what you are trying to say, unless it's that the only reason he was put to death was because he was black. :shrug:
NJSPEEDER
12-13-2005, 07:00 PM
i voted for the second one. i understand that it is legal to put someone to death. it doesn't make sense to me to use someone's life as justification to take someone elses life.
it jsut seems like a revenge tactic though. it doesn't undo anythign that happened or teach anyone any lesson about being a better person. it just ends a life.
foff667
12-13-2005, 07:43 PM
i voted for the second one. i understand that it is legal to put someone to death. it doesn't make sense to me to use someone's life as justification to take someone elses life.
it jsut seems like a revenge tactic though. it doesn't undo anythign that happened or teach anyone any lesson about being a better person. it just ends a life.
so if someone guns down a person you hold near & dear to your heart you wouldnt try to end that person's life with your own hands at that very moment for revenge? Eye for an eye I say even if we all go blind :rolleyes:
bitchincamaro
12-13-2005, 07:47 PM
like i said capital punishment should be to remove waste. i understand killing this man does not justify the lives he's already taken, but 25 years he better be reformed, but at the time he killed in cold blood, this should have been taken care of 25 years ago.
NJSPEEDER
12-13-2005, 07:52 PM
so if someone guns down a person you hold near & dear to your heart you wouldnt try to end that person's life with your own hands at that very moment for revenge?
i am sure that in my anger i would want revenge. anger does not equate to justice though.
it would be nice of all the money spent looking over appeals for people like tootie was being spent on actual rehabilitation of criminals. unfortunately politicians would rather put up some false version of being tough on crime than actually make a difference.
BlueFBird
12-18-2005, 01:28 AM
good one less piece of trash good tax payes have to pay for his ass to sit in jail everyday...
NJSPEEDER
12-18-2005, 01:33 AM
good one less piece of trash good tax payes have to pay for his ass to sit in jail everyday...
putting someone to death costs about 3 times as much as leaving them in prison for life.
Tru2Chevy
12-18-2005, 11:22 AM
putting someone to death costs about 3 times as much as leaving them in prison for life.
Why so much?
- Justin
NJSPEEDER
12-18-2005, 12:01 PM
death penalty cases are subject to twice as many appeals as an inprisonment case. many of the appeals also have to go throw more hearings because of the nature of the death penalty
extra security with in death row itself. typically you will find 1 guard for every 2 death row prisoners on duty vs the 1 guard for every 30-50 prisoners in general population.
about 8 extra professional staff members brought in on the execution date costing $100+ an hour
even the execution itself costs several thousnads of dollars, lethal injection is cheapest, then gas chamber, and the electric chair is very very expensive.
if you take the excess expense of putting someone to death and put that money into buying books for school or providing actual rehabilitation programs for prisoners you may actually be able to make a difference in society.
why is electric chair expensive? i'm not doubting u just wondering. Sounds like a bullet in the head would be the cheapest solution
NJSPEEDER
12-18-2005, 12:51 PM
to legally drop someone in the electric chair you have build the chair and the whole chamber and make sure they are isolated.
the pricey bit is when it comes to actually frying someone.
first thing they do is fire up a huge generator about 12hours(burning several gallons of diesel per hour) before the planned execution. then they run all kinds of tests to make sure old sparky is in working order(paying union electricians on a government contract at god knows how much an hour), then they have to bring the prisoner in and have someone who has been trained to strap him in(whatever teh salary of a "skilled" state employee is), then they have to fry the person.
mean while you have fire department on scene, doctors on scene, all the guards who get to stand around and watch, security for witnesses, electricians on call in case anything goes wrong, and EMT's on scene in case there is an accident.
seems to me it would be easier/cheaper to throw someone in a bath tub full of ice cold water and drop in a few running hair dryers. :)
damn that all sounds too complicated, there're so many easier way to kill a human...
NJSPEEDER
12-18-2005, 01:28 PM
damn that all sounds too complicated, there're so many easier way to kill a human...
only until you get the government involved. lol
Frosty
12-18-2005, 01:44 PM
Arnold did the right thing by not granting clemency.
Regardless if he was a "changed man" he still wouldn't apologize for the crimes because suddenly he didn't do it :rolleyes: Just because you might change for the future doesn't mean your actions in the past can go unaccounted for.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/Williams_Clemency_Decision.pdf
Above is the written response Arnold gave for denying clemency and he's right on EVERY point.
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