Waht do you think of the Camaro concept???

[NJSPEEDER]

i was just wondering what everybody thinks of the new car?

http://img314.imageshack.us/img314/7606/camaroconcept8oo5pj.jpg

personally i think it looks great. i have changed my new car shopping plans for spring and i will just be saving up for the fifth gen instead.

[Ian]

well, I guess its pretty obvious what I picked.

It has the potential to be an outstanding car, but I dont like how linear the top of the fenders are, I hate the side view mirrors, and I think the grille is too open and at too much of an angle. I actually kinda like the rear end, but I'm a little uncertain if I like the exhaust tips. I think the roof line is about an inch too low.

thats all I can think of right now, I'm sure I'll chime in more as this thread gets rolling

[Ian]

I dont like how tall the body is. I also dont like the huge wheels. yeah, 20's and 22's look good on bigger cars and trucks, but on a pony car like the camaro? Another gripe I have is that the car just doesnt look all that fast. first gens look fast, second gens look fast, third gens look fast and fourth gens look fast. This fifth gen concept just doesnt look that enticing to me right now. It looks a little too boxy too. I know its supposed to be retro, but hell, even the 69 camaro had more curves than that!

[90FormulaWS6]

um that car looks fast... did you watch the video and see the stance?

[JL8Jeff]

I think the front grill area needs to be softened up and I agree that the wheels are too big for a Camaro. Maybe 18's will look a lot better. But it definitely has a lot of potential and I like it. I don't know why so many people are hung up on the retro thing. If you want a car to look like a 69 Camaro, then go out and buy a 69 Camaro. I'd rather see a new concept like they've done.:cool:

[coolcamaroZ28]

Only problem I have is deciding what color...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/NOS2006/CamaroConceptSilverDarkGray.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/NOS2006/CamaroConceptBlackSilver.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/NOS2006/CamaroConceptWhiteBlacks.jpg

[Ian]

um that car looks fast... did you watch the video and see the stance?

no, I didnt see the video, but I can see the stance fron the pictures. The car looks like its carrying around a lot of un-needed sheetmetal. I would like it better if it were more lean.

a good example of what I mean is looking at the C5 and C6. the C5 is a great car, but when you look at it next to the C6, you can see that the C6 is tighter, has a better stance and just flat out looks better. Thats what I was looking for in this concept and I just dont see it.

Dont get me wrong, I still think this car has a bright future, but if I were the head designer, I'd start making it look less like a chrysler product.

[nj85z28]

does it have a hemi??

[chevyt454]

I'm gonna take some defensive driving classes to shave some points off my licence so someone will insure me for one!

[enRo]

The taillights need to be redone... its like rectangle vette lights gone bad.. If it looks a bit more like the first gen tails I'd definately sell my car for one. Doesn't matter tho, cuz if it does come out, that car is in my driveway.

[nj85z28]

itll prolly be so watered down and crappy, not to mention a hybrid by the time it comes out in 09

[Savage_Messiah]

Put me in the "starting to save now" column

[LS1Hawk]

You guys have to remember this is a just concept. They are always extravagant (remember what the 99 GTO concept looked like?). What we get with a production could be somewhat or a lot different. And we don't even know if it will make it to production yet. Lutz said himself in the vid that all it is right now is a concept. (Although, I strongly believe it will be produced.) It even has retro cues. Obviously GM listened when everyone spoke out about the GTO not having any. I like it so far. It finally shows GM is starting to pay attention to the style of their cars. Will I buy one? I'll make that decision once I see a prototype for a production model.

[jimmyboy8301]

i love it, i wish the nose of the car was a little less pronounced and shark like though.

[Amy]

Needs more refining. The front end doesn't look right to me.

[Frosty]

Needs more refining. The front end doesn't look right to me.


Same with the rear end. It looks like a 5 year old designed it. Everything in between is fine though.

[Scorched SS]

I like it front to back...
the front end does a great job of looking like a camaro w/o being overtly 69. The fog lights and lower nose treatment make it look modern and aggressive. Im not sold 100% on the scoop in the front, i think a functioning cowl induction hood would work clean it up.

The profile (while it will definitely change, think 2 more inches of glass everywhere for headroom sake) is very modern chevrolet (think edgy like the new vette) but the fender flares and arches over the rear wheels all say full time muscle car.

The rear actually looks more like the 67 RS with the 4 red lights than the 69 that they have said its so heavily based on. I think that its for the better, the 67 was cleaner in the back than the 69.

For all who say the tires are too big, this is a concept, right? Figure base model V6 will wear 17's, Z28s 18's, and the SS might have 18, 19, or maybe in back, 20s.

I cant wait to see this thing in person. I bet complaints will melt away once you see it close up. NYIAS is only 3 months away!!!

[turbo96z28]

I like it front to back...
the front end does a great job of looking like a camaro w/o being overtly 69. The fog lights and lower nose treatment make it look modern and aggressive. Im not sold 100% on the scoop in the front, i think a functioning cowl induction hood would work clean it up.

The profile (while it will definitely change, think 2 more inches of glass everywhere for headroom sake) is very modern chevrolet (think edgy like the new vette) but the fender flares and arches over the rear wheels all say full time muscle car.

The rear actually looks more like the 67 RS with the 4 red lights than the 69 that they have said its so heavily based on. I think that its for the better, the 67 was cleaner in the back than the 69.

For all who say the tires are too big, this is a concept, right? Figure base model V6 will wear 17's, Z28s 18's, and the SS might have 18, 19, or maybe in back, 20s.

I cant wait to see this thing in person. I bet complaints will melt away once you see it close up. NYIAS is only 3 months away!!!


from the looks of it, the profile will stay pretty much the way it is. Bob Lutz is a very tall man and didn't have any trouble getting out of it on stage.

as far as the rims, Lutz said a production model is more likely to get 18" fronts and 19" rears (i'm assuming he meant the performance models). the base cars will most likely get 17s all the way around.

[LS1Hawk]

I cant wait to see this thing in person. I bet complaints will melt away once you see it close up. NYIAS is only 3 months away!!!

:werd:

[turbo96z28]

should we get something together for NYIAS???

[trashman01]

u kno the mirrors will change, i mean look at the SSR the mirrows on the prototype were up on the top side of the windsheild, which i thought was kinda cool, but procuting they were moved down and used the stadard issued GM ones

[SteveR]

I like the sides and roof line a lot, the interior drawings look really nice, but the nose looks like there's a mile of clearance between the bumper and the ground. I say if they can drop the nose and give it a little meaner stance, I'll pick one up for sure.

[qwikz28]

my only issue is the similarity between the camaro/mustang/challenger. this is something i cannot get over and the main reason i got a camaro was to be different from the 1 million mustangs in my town. so much for indiviuality.

but i do like the 1st gen retro styling. and i also dont see why everyone hates the front end. i think its amazing!

[Savage_Messiah]

my only issue is the similarity between the camaro/mustang/challenger.

What else is new... lol


Billy I think theres an old thread about NYAIS... when its clsoer though someone will put something up. Definately gonan get a group together.

[NP_00'T/A]

I really don't like it its looks like they did a half ass job peicing together other cars to form this one. In my opinion some of the concepts that other people drew absolutly look 100% better then this. First off the front of the car looks like the rear of a new catallac with the pointy nose not to mention its not sleek like a sports car its more boxy like a luxury car. What ever happened to the nice curves in the hood like we have in our cars now ? Second the side scoops look like they ripped off a mustang and the mirrors just looks stupid. Also are the wheels really 20+ inches ( i think i read that some where)? I'll stick to the older cars cause this one is fugly i can only hope they change alot before production.

[Savage_Messiah]

Nowadays luxury cars are sleek too... look at Mercedes

And compare the styling to 60s styling... retro sells, so they went retro but not too retro.

[NP_00'T/A]

I really don't see anything retro about it honestly

[Tru2Chevy]

Also are the wheels really 20+ inches ( i think i read that some where)?

Fronts are 21", rears are 22". Lutz said if they went to production it would prolly drop to a 18/19 or 19/20 setup.

- Justin

[Ian]

do they make drag radials in 19 or 20 inches?

[NJSPEEDER]

i hope they decide to go down in wheels size a bit. they look cool and all, but eastern pa and new jersey don't have smooth as glass roads everywhere. i can see buying a rim or two a year from the spring pot hole wars.
something along the lines of 17's would be nice, if they wanna go with a staggered look 17/18 woudl be as far as i would like to see it go.

[jims69camaro]

there is nothing wrong with the concept. i would drive it as is. yes, production models will differ, but you'll still be able to tell where it came from; it won't be a completely different car. (look at the california concept and the 4th gen camaro or the banshee and the 4th gen firebird)

[BigAls87Z28]

Well well well, home finaly after a 9.5 ride.
Gents, let me tell you that pictures, no matter how great, do not explain how great this car looks IN PERSON!!
The car is NOT very tall at all, but has plenty of interior room. As someone said, Lutz got out of the car. He also drove the car down the "road" at the show, and it was great. Both nights were fantastic.
The car has very aggressive rear fenders, but not as bulky as the pics show. Only parts that I would change is the front to more aerodynamic, and the rear tails being circular like the other sport coupes in Chevy. After the show, engineers and marketing people were at the hotel, talking with everyone about what they liked, what they didnt like, and what they wanted more off. I was very impressed to see that. They were at the Heritage Center and after the unvailing. All in all, a great time and worth the trip.

And btw, for thoes who still dont think this is real, or will hit production, let me give you this.
They flew in 10 Engineers from Holden and GM-NA that were in Austrailia that are working on the RWD chassis, they have someone in the slot for teh Camaro's marketing, and they also brought in Rodger Penskee and former Chevy and GM Pres. Jim Perkins. And the most telling thing is that Lutz himself drove the car, which coming from the insider that hung out with us "would be a veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery good thing...very good".

[NJSPEEDER]

i hope they don't stray too far from teh concept nose, a little tweaking to the grill angle would be nice.
i think the front end as shown compliments the rest of the shape very nicely.

any word on them being less nuts with the wheel sizes for those of us living on the fine roads of new jersey?

[BigAls87Z28]

Of course they wont be stock. They are nice looking wheels, and we did comment that they should be an option, just smaller.
I would say that 16,17, and 18/19 option as you go up the scale.

[WayFast84]

Im saving up when I get a job this spring! Im putting 75% of the money I take home in the MATT NEEDS A CAMARO fund and the 25% left over Is paying off the transmision,paint and the new parts Im gonna have installed soon. I should be makin at least 75 a day If I get picked but then again Ive only gotten to catty once in 2 weeks while I was working and that was with the catty master so I didnt get payed...

[NJSPEEDER]

Of course they wont be stock. They are nice looking wheels, and we did comment that they should be an option, just smaller.
I would say that 16,17, and 18/19 option as you go up the scale.

that would definately be the right move. if they offered it with wheels that can be rotated all teh way around the car like 4th gens i think it would be best. they could mass produce 1 style wheel and save huge ramp up and production costs, and save the consumer a boatload of cash when it is time to buy tires.
the concept wheels are cool looking, perhaps they woudl make a nice piece as an option or to drop in the GMPP catalog or something.

[LS1Hawk]

From BigAl's response, it's clear the unveiling was a big success, and I would be shocked if the car isn't produced. But, you never know until you know. I just wish they would have done something like this with the GTO, took more time with it and showed it off like this...that car would've been a much bigger success right now.

[NJSPEEDER]

just the media hype for the build up and the beating GM has taken from enthusiasts would be enough for most companies to produce the car. lol
lutz made it clear in one of his first public appearances when he got to GM that there would be a return of the camaro. how well thought out the concept is and the looks of the car jsut proves how serious he and everyone else who is involved in this project really are about turning out a serious ground pounder in a package that will win over/back a lot of people who have been shopping other parts of the "pony car" segment(mustang, rx8, 350z)
i can't wait until saturday when i get to see it in person. i have the camera and about a million extra batteries. expect a lot of pictures when i get home :)

[BigAls87Z28]

If the wheels are north of 18's, price of tires wont really matter because they will already be very expensive. Expect 300 dollars for a quality tire, more if you want better performance. I figured that a set of 18/19's on a Z28 model will run you about 280 a pop for the front, and 360 a pop for the rear at least.
Now is the time to start putting money away into a money market account, CD, or some other low risk investment so that you have some cash. I think Im going to take 100 bucks out of every pay check and start putting it into an ING savings or a CD.

[lrdvadr]

I was at the unveiling, and thought the design was on target. It would be interesting to re-post this poll after more people have had an opportunity to see the car in person.

[turbo96z28]

I was at the unveiling, and thought the design was on target. It would be interesting to re-post this poll after more people have had an opportunity to see the car in person.


i think this will get reposted after NYIAS. just nice to get a feel of everyones initial reactions though.

[NJSPEEDER]

it will definately go back up after NYIAS.
i can't believe what a good looking car it is from teh pictures, i can't wait to see it in person.

[PBodyGT87]

I think they could have done better. I don't like the grill. It's too thin from top to bottom, and it spans too wide. This looks like they slapped it together in a short amount of time. I would have hoped it would be a little more fast looking. I like the stance, however, which says muscle to me, but the body says WIND RESISTANCE. Wheel size is good, but the rims should be smaller than the 18 inches they plan to have on six cyl models. Cuz some woman is gonna buy one and drive it through every pothole on the road. I think it looks too much like the 03 to 04 mustang body. I hope it looks better in person but i'm not so thrilled about it. If they come out with a sleeker meaner looking T/A then I'd consider an f-body.

[BigAls87Z28]

Liz, when we see it in person at NY, I hope your opinion changes.

[dz]

I recommend holding all your comments until you see this car in person. I promise you, the pictures do not do it justice.

[BigAls87Z28]

Thank you DZ.

[Oddball]

I love everything excapt for the front grill / front end. I look at the concept and think "THAT is a Camaro". There is no mistaking what it is.

I won't be buying one ntil the kids are in high school so it'll be a Charger for me when the Accord dies unless they make a 4-door version on the Camaro (calling it someting else but it has the have V8-RWD). With three young kids I need a practical but fun daily driver.

[BigAls87Z28]

There will be a V8 Sedan coming from Chevy, Pontiac and Buick.

[NJSPEEDER]

the car looks amazing in peron. i have 30 pictures from a variety of angles. i will get them resized and hosted up wednesday night for everyone to enjoy. :)

[Wasted Youth]

if they make the nose a lil less pointy and change the tailights its a done deal...did anyone see the challenger? holy *****...

[Frosty]

if they make the nose a lil less pointy and change the tailights its a done deal


That's EXACTLY how I feel.

I don't like the interior much either.

[BigAls87Z28]

Nose, interior and tail lights were the 3 big concerns of the group.
None I expect will make production.

[Savage_Messiah]

i liek the nose :(

[Frosty]

I hope you're right.

[V]

just got home from Detroit, car is perfect as is IMO.... the pics online DONT do it justice, the personal pictures taken at the show are a much better experience of it, but you still MUST see it in person, the grille looked fine in person, im happy with it, the car is just pure sex, IMO it puts the challenger to shame, I love the camaro concept. I have like 15 pics i'll get up by this weekend.

[BigAls87Z28]

See, I dont lie!! Hold all judgments till you see it yourself. If after you see it in person, walk around it and get to feel its presence, and you still deny its greatness, may you be struck...I mean then you can say what you want.

[V]

something i didnt notice from the pics at first was the width of the rear deck, like over the 1/4 panels, where the gas fill is, and also the slant to the rear window, in the pics it looks more up right, but slants just the right amount in person.