Cam and headers help?

[WayFast84]

My cars at the mechanic and they want $1000 to install headers and cam shaft, can any one help me install one or both of them so I can save some money? as most of you know Im 14 and have NO clue about engines and what not.

matt

[V]

just start unbolting stuff..thats how i learned, by doing that an having a good shop manual on had, you could do it.

[camaro2you]

come down here lol.

[NJSPEEDER]

when were you looking to do this stuff. if you wanna plan a few weeks ahead i am sure someone will be able to help ya.

[Tru2Chevy]

Yea, don't pay a mechanic that much for just a cam and headers. Some fellow NJFBOAers will gladly help you out with some advanced notice.

- Justin

[WayFast84]

I was hoping to have them installed before dyno day but it honestly doesnt matter that much Ill be there regardless with the bird..

[jims69camaro]

get some penetrating lube. the stock nuts and bolts holding your exhaust manifold on are going to need to be soaked prior to the install day. do you have gaskets for the headers? if not, go buy them.

measure the new cam shaft and the distance between the front of the engine block and the nearest obstacle in the nose (radiator most likely will have to come out, so try to measure beyond that) to get an idea if the nose will have to come off to do the cam install. if there isn't enough room between the block and the nearest obstacle, the nose will likely be partially dissassembled prior to install day. you want to get as much of this stuff out of the way so the install goes smoothly.

[Tru2Chevy]

Just the radiator needs to be pulled, I think you can move the AC condensor out of the way enough to get the cam in and out without any hassle. A cam swap really can be done in an afternoon as long as you have everything that you need (basic tools, all gaskets, and a full can of Right Stuff).

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

deffinatly gunna have to remove radiator and ac condencer. Also remove the carb and intake so that you can get to the pushrods and lifters. loosen the rockers, and pull the pushrods and lifters out. Then remove the accessories and waterpump. Then you have to remove the timing cover. Here is some good advice, get yourself a 2pc timing cover. You might also want to consider a new timing gears and chain. I think the one I have should fit your car.
Then put it all back together, and start her up. Get some EOS so that you dont whipe a lobe out, and put it in the oil. Tighten up the rockers and lash them, and you should be set. Then install the headers, which is a easier adventure.
Big thing is that you might need a bracket or two to put your stuff back together such as AC and PS.

[WayFast84]

I have the headers and the cam + lifters, can I have a parts list of everything else Ill need? and this thread was more of a who can help me out verses telling me what to do online..

[camaroracer1992]

damn ill do that for a grand hehe :)

[WayFast84]

Well the whole point is so I dont have to pay a grand..and even more importantly learn some stuff:!:

[jims69camaro]

i won't be able to help you out until it gets a bit warmer out. i was just trying to get you prepared for the actual day of installation, not tell you how-to. if you wanted a how-to, i am sure there are resources available on thirdgen.org and elsewhere.

[Tru2Chevy]

I have the headers and the cam + lifters, can I have a parts list of everything else Ill need? and this thread was more of a who can help me out verses telling me what to do online..

Do you have a basic wrench and ratchet set?

You will need a few cans of pb blaster (for rusty bolts)
2-3 gallons of antifreeze to refill the system (don't remember how much)
Oil (oil change should be done shortly after cam break-in)
Top end gaskets (carb, intake, water neck, water pump, etc - should be in a kit all together)
Header gaskets
Header bolts
Right Stuff RTV silicone - 1 or 2 cans are always good to have around.
Ziploc bags, masking tape, and a Sharpie to sort and mark items during dissassembly

This should pretty much cover your bases. Can anyone else think of something I missed?

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

Camera, either digital or whatever, but to take a picture and see how it was put together, its something you can refference.
Make sure you have lubricants and anti-sieze, thread locker. Also, get some good cam break in lube. I think I still have a tube left.
Id be more then happy to help out. Ive done it once, I guess I could do it again.

[WayFast84]

I was thinking about sat. march 11 (2 weeks before dyno day) to do this, but then I realized if we dont get done then and we need another week end to do it I might not have enough time to have my cut out installed... do you guys think its enough time?

[WayFast84]

tt Ill be doing it sat. march 11!! any help is good help! we are probably gonna have a barbq or order pizza depends on the amount of people who come!

[qwikz28]

tt Ill be doing it sat. march 11!! any help is good help! we are probably gonna have a barbq or order pizza depends on the amount of people who come!
why didnt you say that **** earlier! i'm there, i'll be handing someone screw drivers and eating all the food

[Savage_Messiah]

I WANT to be there, I wanna learn how to do cam installs and although I'm yet to do them (debating between cheap( used for a friend) coated pacesetters or waiting for longtubes) I believe headers are within my wrenching capacity :lol:

Thing is it looks liek I have a conflict for that day... :/

[Tru2Chevy]

I don't have any plans as of yet, so I'm tentatively in for lending a hand.

- Justin

[jims69camaro]

:metoo:

it all depends on the weather. the cold cuts right through me and increases the pain exponentially regardless of the amount of percocet in my system.

all i need is an address.

[NJSPEEDER]

i'll be handing someone screw drivers

i prefer vodka and cranberry, but screwdrivers will do if it is all that is available :p

[Ian]

you'll have enough time for the cam and cut out. just have two people working on the cam and two people working on the cut out. Hell, you really only need one person per job, but taking the top end of a motor apart is definitly faster with 4 hands. :)

[Ian]

and it depends if I have work that day or not, but I'll lend a hand.

[WayFast84]

NICE! Jim: we have a garage..and a heater if its that cold...hell if we need to we can pull my motor and brin it in my living room! lol does any one know how hard to replace valve seals? if so could we add that to the list, or to much work for one day? Looking foward to this! if I went to road runners and said I had a 305 and Im doing headers and a cam, do you think they would know exzactly everything Ill need? or should I have a detailed parts list before hand?

[Ian]

no outsourcing the work, you're getting your hands dirty! :twisted:

and its possible to do valve seals too, but it would be easier to do it if the heads were off the motor. If you really want, we can take the whole top end off the motor and I'll bring my valve spring compressor and do the valve seals for ya. :)

I actually have a valve/valve seat grinding machine in my garage, but if you want anything like that done, you're gonna have to pay me :razz:

[WayFast84]

nice! my car smokes like hell when I first get it started...what time do you guys think we should get started? and if you think your gonna be coming p me and Ill give yah my addy..

[jims69camaro]

matt, about the rims: they are AR five spoke 16" black with a chrome beauty ring. you'll see them eventually and if you want them, they're yours for the asking. i might even help you refinish them.

about the cold: yeah, but i still need to get from my house to the car and then from the car to your garage. ever see the cartoons when they freeze someone who was running, then slow motion, then motionless? yeah, that's me in the cold.

[84HOtransam]

which headers, y-pipe, cat back are you using, where are you putting your cutout..

ive got a welder and everything else needed to fab exhausts..

ill be happy to help you out

[Ian]

which headers, y-pipe, cat back are you using, where are you putting your cutout..

ive got a welder and everything else needed to fab exhausts..

ill be happy to help you out

just curious, what kind of welder do you have?

[BigAls87Z28]

It would be cheaper to just buy a new set of heads.

[84HOtransam]

just curious, what kind of welder do you have?

the linclon weld pack 3200 from home depot..i can weld flux core up to a 1/4 inch and with shielding gas up to 10 gauge

i just tried to do my subframes yesterday and it gets hot enough for that.

i also have a chopsaw and grinder for cleaning and cutting exhaust tubing..

[WayFast84]

Nice this is gonna be awsome!, I have no clue what heads to get..Tim said vette l98 53cc head's but then some one else said not too. then "other" L98 heads wont work..I have hedman headers and cat..and the cut out I want before the cat...but some one said to get it after...and Im all confused..If there is enough people here my mom said we would get a 6 ft sub...

[Ian]

personally, I wouldnt be throwing a ton of money at your 305. Leave the heads, just clean them up. unless you can score some better heads for cheap, then go for it. If I were in your shoes, I'd be busting my ass trying to make money and save it all up and buy a big inch small block crate motor 8)

[Tru2Chevy]

Nice this is gonna be awsome!, I have no clue what heads to get..Tim said vette l98 53cc head's but then some one else said not too. then "other" L98 heads wont work..I have hedman headers and cat..and the cut out I want before the cat...but some one said to get it after...and Im all confused..If there is enough people here my mom said we would get a 6 ft sub...

The vette L98 heads are 58cc, not 53 (stock heads on your 305 are 58cc). If you can score a set for cheap, there is no reason not to use them. They are a much better design than the heads you have, and they will retain your stock compression ratio. The regular L98s or vortechs would cause a slight drop in your compression ratio (they are a 64cc chamber), which would offset some of the power gain that you would see from adding the better heads.

What cam do you have for the 305?

- Justin

[86Transam]

i was just wondering were in edison u live i will be down for helping u with a cam and headers done a couple already.



Matt

[WayFast84]

crane cam "powermax" INT .427 EXH .454 adv. dur. 260 int 272 exh..... I live in north edision off of inman ave like 2 streets past martin luther king school

Edit

Does any one have a air compressor and some air tools they can lend us for the day?

[86Transam]

u live like 2 miles from me i live off of grove ave by the minnie b veal center let me know if u need help or anything



Matt

[WayFast84]

In the apartment complex's?? with a mustang with a white hood?

[86Transam]

yes sir and mine is next to it with the black hood

[WayFast84]

yes sir and mine is next to it with the black hood
nice! I see the car every day goin to school, and my freind glenn lives almost directly across the lot from you...small world

[WayFast84]

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&categoryId=16025&parentCategoryId=10183&langId=-1

Is that good for the cam stuff? I also need header gaskets and bolts..and if I get heads Ill need head gaskets right?

[Savage_Messiah]

personally, I wouldnt be throwing a ton of money at your 305. Leave the heads, just clean them up. unless you can score some better heads for cheap, then go for it. If I were in your shoes, I'd be busting my ass trying to make money and save it all up and buy a big inch small block crate motor 8)


Yeah and I shouldn't "waste' my money on the 3.8 I shuld just swap in a LS1.... can't tell ya how many times I've heard that line. Just my 2 cents.

[Brando56894]

i should be down for helping, i wanna learn about this stuff too since ill be doing it eventually. and yea same here kasey but its all about havin a 6 banger beat the **** outta an ls1 :D

[WayFast84]

Yeah and I shouldn't "waste' my money on the 3.8 I shuld just swap in a LS1.... can't tell ya how many times I've heard that line. Just my 2 cents.
yeah! lol Im gonna build the **** outa my Lg4 till it blows! and even after that some day Ill have a ten second 305! :twisted: plus I dont want to build a motor and all that crap cause I want a 4th gen with a V8 and a t56:-)

[Brando56894]

but yet you think fourth gens are ugly :twisted:

[WayFast84]

no no no not all 4th gens..I like trans ams not firebirds and it would help if it had some sort of ram air hood...

[Ian]

Yeah and I shouldn't "waste' my money on the 3.8 I shuld just swap in a LS1.... can't tell ya how many times I've heard that line. Just my 2 cents.

I'm gonna come out and say it. Your car isnt the best platform to build a performer out of. I'm not saying the motor and chassis are to blame, but rather the amount of miles and the fact that you rear ended someone. You really would be better off building up a car that is already fast.

[Ian]

yeah! lol Im gonna build the **** outa my Lg4 till it blows! and even after that some day Ill have a ten second 305! :twisted: plus I dont want to build a motor and all that crap cause I want a 4th gen with a V8 and a t56:-)

two words that will mean no ten second timeslips for your 305...valve shrouding! :wink:

[WayFast84]

two words that will mean no ten second timeslips for your 305...valve shrouding! :wink:
whats that? I have a valve tap...and it idles MAD high and makes a clicking noise when I first start it up then its fine after a bit...

[Ian]

whats that? I have a valve tap...and it idles MAD high and makes a clicking noise when I first start it up then its fine after a bit...

a quick breakdown of valve shrouding:

the cylinder is not wide enough to allow the effective use of large valve heads. The valve will be very close to the cylinder wall and cause an obstruction in airflow, hurting performance.

If you cant get a lot of air and fuel in, you wont get a lot of power out of it.

[WayFast84]

a quick breakdown of valve shrouding:

the cylinder is not wide enough to allow the effective use of large valve heads. The valve will be very close to the cylinder wall and cause an obstruction in airflow, hurting performance.

If you cant get a lot of air and fuel in, you wont get a lot of power out of it.
why im looking for l98 58 cc heads :rofl:

[Ian]

why im looking for l98 58 cc heads :rofl:

:huh: :scratch:

the heads arent gonna fix valve shrouding.

[WayFast84]

:huh: :scratch:

the heads arent gonna fix valve shrouding.
:mad: what will?

[Ian]

a motor with a bigger bore than the 305 :lol:

a 350, 327, 302, 383, 377, 400 or a big block :wink:

[WayFast84]

if you bore a 302 20 over its a 305 or 307?

[84HOtransam]

usually the mininum the block is bored to clean it up in .030 over..

302, 327, 350, 383 are 4in bore motors

377,400 and up are 4.125 bore

a 307 is 3.85ish and a 305 is 3.75...

the 4in or larger bore motors have wider cylinders allowing one to use larger valves and thus move more air and fuel therefore allowing more horsepower..

remember bore is the distance across the piston and stroke is the distance the piston moves up and down.

the 305 isnt a bad platform and all kinds of people run all kinds of times with them but dollar for dollar if your going to build a motor from scratch you money would be better spent on a larger cubic inch motor..

now lets hear the 305-350 debate..

[BigAls87Z28]

Normal 350 head's cyl chambers are too big, and the small bore of the 305 will shroud unless you clearance the block. L98 heads, not B2L heads, will fit, but do not have access for EGR.

[BigAls87Z28]

Wow...I did not see these whole page 3...and I posted that reading page 2.
Anyway, L98 Aluminum heads will fit, there isnt much shrouding. The larger intake valve comes close to the wall, but the World 305 heads have the same size intake valve, 1.94.
L98 heads are $$$ and you lose your EGR.
World 305 heads are $$$, but are the only aftermarket head that works
I found a set of worked 305 heads that were done by a profesional shop, put on new .550 lift valve springs, Manely SS 1.94/1.50 valves, and rebuilt and cleaned the whole head, a set for 350 shiped.

[Tru2Chevy]

I found a set of worked 305 heads that were done by a profesional shop, put on new .550 lift valve springs, Manely SS 1.94/1.50 valves, and rebuilt and cleaned the whole head, a set for 350 shiped.

Were those stock heads, or aftermarket?

- Justin

[jims69camaro]

and when you overbore a cylinder, you actualy increase the displacement:
a 350 becomes a 355, 400 becomes 406 cu in displacement, and etc. this is something that has to be taken into account when trying to nail down your compression ratio. your 9.0:1CR can easily become 8.3:1 with a .030 overbore... not a good thing if you are trying to make big power. just something else to keep in mind.

hell, for that matter, the thickness of your head gasket can affect your CR.

[BigAls87Z28]

Well, they were LB9 castings that had a little work to take the larger springs, 3 angle valve job and larger valve seat for the intake (1.94 over the 1.84 stocker) as well as they were rebuilt with new teflon valve seals and brass valve guides. I gasket matched them with a little grinding work, and thats about it. I tried to get them as close to the World 305 heads. I was gunna eventualy really work on the intake port and see what kinda power I could have pulled..but oh well. Last I heard, the 305 is out and in went in a 383....

[jims69camaro]

sounds like she's better off already...

[bad64chevelle]

a motor with a bigger bore than the 305 :lol:

a 350, 327, 302, 383, 377, 400 or a big block :wink:


WOOT for the 327!

and yeah if you guys dont have a bajillion people there working I will be more than happy to come up to help. I think I could possibly find my way around an engine...

[WayFast84]

the parts im gonna order
http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&categoryId=16025&parentCategoryId=10183&langId=-1

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&categoryId=23641&parentCategoryId=10259&langId=-1

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&categoryId=13937&parentCategoryId=10259&langId=-1

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&categoryId=13987&parentCategoryId=11539&langId=-1


http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&categoryId=18035&parentCategoryId=10199&langId=-1

do I need anything else? obviously if I have heads ill need gaskets ill need them too...also I only have like a 110 peice mechanics tool set....

[Tru2Chevy]

Why the seperate intake gaskets? the cam kit comes with them....

- Justin

[jims69camaro]

i wouldn't worry about tools. one thing i never do is go work on someone's car without my tools. call me crazy, but i feel funny using someone else's tools.

others will likely bring their tools, too. you won't need anything special for this, in the way of tools. just basic hand tools will get the job done.

[WayFast84]

how many header bolts do I need? 12? hex head?

[WayFast84]

its verry possible that I will have a 350 at that point of time, im going to look at it some time soon, if we do get it does any one have a hoist we can use?

[turbo96z28]

its verry possible that I will have a 350 at that point of time, im going to look at it some time soon, if we do get it does any one have a hoist we can use?


let me know about a week or so ahead of time and i'll dig mine out for you guys to use.

i can't hang on the 11th, have a wedding to attend.

[WayFast84]

thanks man! It depends on if I get the motor or not, Im gonna make plans to go see,hear it and maybe get a ride in a car that its in...

[turbo96z28]

just let me know if you need it.

[WayFast84]

I wont be needing the hoist after all! thanks for the offer!!

Whos coming? soposed to be 59 plus it will be in the garage!

[84HOtransam]

I wont be needing the hoist after all! thanks for the offer!!

Whos coming? soposed to be 59 plus it will be in the garage!


make one long post about what parts you have and what we will be installing...go into detail.. i have seen too many post from you and i am not sure what parts you have and what you dont have... please dont use links to jegs or summit...i dont need part numbers or pictures..

[WayFast84]

Installing
headers
y pipe
intake manifold
cam shaft
cap and rotor
thermostat
cut out

[84HOtransam]

Installing
headers
y pipe
intake manifold
cam shaft
cap and rotor
thermostat
cut out

which headers to which y-pipe....what cat back do you have?

cutout- just the metal exhaust peice or the electric valve as well?

what kind of flange does your cat have on the front and back of it?
what flange does the y-pipe of the new headers have on the cat side?
are you keeping the cat?
and smog pump?

[WayFast84]

hedman htc/elite headers and y pip Im keeping the cat no smog pump i have dynomax catback, dont know about the flange's

[WayFast84]

TT

Its soposed to be 68!!! come on guys!!! I need the help!!

[Tru2Chevy]

As much as I would like to meet you and help you work on your car, with the weather as nice as it is, I'll be working on my own. ::gasp::

Good Luck!

- Justin

[camaro2you]

As much as I would like to meet you and help you work on your car, with the weather as nice as it is, I'll be working on my own. ::gasp::

Good Luck!

- Justin

ut oh world's coming to an end.... lol

[Savage_Messiah]

I actually may be around, if I am I'd be glad to give a hand

[Tru2Chevy]

I actually may be around, if I am I'd be glad to give a hand

Great, now he won't need to worry about jackstands....Kasey can just walk right under the car to help out.

- Justin

[WayFast84]

Great, now he won't need to worry about jackstands....Kasey can just walk right under the car to help out.

- JustinIts all good I got jack stands and a creeper...:rofl:

[jims69camaro]

every other weekend i have an unbreakable obligation. guess which weekend the 11th is...

next week, if the weather holds out and you have anything left over from this gangbang, let me know.

[WayFast84]

every other weekend i have an unbreakable obligation. guess which weekend the 11th is...

next week, if the weather holds out and you have anything left over from this gangbang, let me know.
:rofl: looks like you can help me install my headers and cam :rofl: I honestly doubt any one will help this week end....:rofl:

[78camaro]

i could so intake and headers but cam i havent done a cam yet nor do i have a clue on how to so im kinda helpless

[BigAls87Z28]

I can help any time after 530 on Sundays and I have off Mondays and Tuesdays...at least for now.

[WayFast84]

do you think You can come over monday to help me? it would be after 3 cause I get home at like 250..

[rgaynor85]

why does a 14 year old need headers u cant even drive yet for 3 years explain plz? and a 14 year old doesnt need a modded v8 under his foot to learn how to drive anyone else see this beside me?

[V]

eh, even with headers its still a 305.. theres no harm in learning young IMO

[rgaynor85]

i still belive that u should learn on a slower car to begin and ive seen some 305's that book and can run low 14's either way i wanted somethin fast when i was learning also and im actually really glad now my dad made me buy my 1st cutlass and learn slow but either way i dont understand why a 14 year old even has a car yet or is moding it can someone make me understand

[BonzoHansen]

I can't. Then again, I barely understand this thread.

[WayFast84]

DUde just chill out...

can any one help me today? I got the radiater out...