True duals and NJ INSPECTION???

[ins0mnia24]

Hey Guys
I'm just curious in a couple weeks i am going to be installing my
QTP LS1 1 3/4 High Velocity Long Tube Header's and i keep thinking about while i am under therei might aswell replace my Loud Mouth system With the
Texas Speed Rumbler X Pipe True Duals system
http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=196&catid=56
But i have been hearing conflicting opinions on if it is LEGAL in New Jersey or if it will pass state inspections or not, Including road side checks which i have hit 2 of in the past year in Teterboro right by the Air port
I was told by one person that in the state of N.J. and inspections your tail pipes have to exit a minimum of 10 inches behind the farthest rear opening car window
And a different person has told me that is is completely illegal in the state of N.J. To dump your pipes right before the rear axle
And the 3rd comes from a friend of a friend that they actually got a ticket in N.J. For having dumps right before the axle.
And the Last opinion i have heard is that in the state of N.J. your tail pipe has to exit at your rear bumper because of fumes entering the interior of the car ect..
If that is the case then How come on Ford Lightening Trucks their exhuast exit's right before the rear tires?? Every one i have seen does this and they pass N.J. Inspections
Anybody here Know any more info or heard any info that i havent heard regarding this???
I figured i would just customize the Runbler X piping by adding 3 inch in/out hi flow cats at the fronts of each X pipe so visually i look up to emission standards. But i don't want to go through all that trouble and fail N.J. inspection next year For dumping my tips before the axle.
I think i remember there is member on this site that works for N.J. inspections??? no?? or if so Which member is it so i can P.M. them or if you guys can pass the info to him to get his take on this
Thanks in advance guys
I'm just dyeing to run this system on my car it sounds so good

[NJSPEEDER]

for inspection in NJ he exhaust has to come out from under the vehicle. it can exit the vehicle anywhere past the passenger compartment doors.
so if you altered teh system to have the pipes come out in front of the rear tires you would be good, but with the pipes ending under teh car they can't do the sniffere and will automoatically fail you.

[ar0ck]

Cops can also harass you for not having visual exhaust pipes. I know someone who has a TSP True Duel SetUp for sale if your interested. He had it set up with the older QTP style headers, & a Mufflex ORY (with cat-shells). Its really really loud, I'll ask him how much he is looking to get for it.

[ins0mnia24]

I thought for newer cars they don't use the sniffers anymore?? minei s a 2002 so i thought they only did it with the OBD2 Diagnostic hooked up or do they use the sniffers along with that?? Because i have been searching the NJDMV site and it says they only inspect exhaust for Leaks, Noise and tampering of the Catalytic converter.
#4 The inspector then drives the car onto the dynamometer, a treadmill-like device that simulates regular driving. He or she puts the emissions probe in place, sets the computer then accelerates the engine.

Vehicles models 1998 (1996 effective January 1, 2004) and newer will receive the new OBD (On-Board Diagnostics) Test. The inspector will connect to the cars diagnostic control panel for a reading of how the vehicle is operating. Vehicles with dashboard lights illuminated or damaged OBD connectors will automatically fail. A common OBD failure is for Readiness. This means that the vehicle was not "ready" to be tested. Vehicles which fail for readiness most likely need to be driven. If you have just recently had service or disconnected the battery, the vehicle is likely to fail for readiness. Check your owners manual to understand the required drive cycle required to place your vehicle in a "ready" mode.
Is that what they mean by Probe?? sticking something in the tail pipe? because last May i only saw them hook up to My cars PCM i didnt see them stick anything in my tail pipe

[ins0mnia24]

Nah thanks for the offer TransAm4Life but if i do go with that system i am going to do it with a brand new one, How come your friend took it off his car?? did he fail inspection for having it?

[ar0ck]

Nah thanks for the offer TransAm4Life but if i do go with that system i am going to do it with a brand new one, How come your friend took it off his car?? did he fail inspection for having it?

He was cought at one of those spot inspections by our work, so he automatically failed on the spot, so he had to get re-inspected, so he took off the true duels and put the stock cat-back on (w/o cats) Plus he is trying to sell the car. Its a 98 Formula.

[ins0mnia24]

That was part of one of the opinions i got
I was told By the people that have been doing and helping me do some of my tech work on my car and their good friends with a certain party
That QTP did a TSP X-pipe set-up with QTP Headers on a car alomst just like mine and the guy got caught at a road side inspection and when the cops looked underneath his car they immediately scraped his N.J. Inspection sticker off his windsheild.
Then hed had to put another exhaust system on his car and go to a inspection station to get re inspected
Damn that would really suck to have that happen
I just wanted to make sure and do all my research before i tried it or not because i'd hate to go through all of that and have that happen
Plus i wanted to make sure a certain party wasn't just trying to sell me their Y-pipe when if i was going that route i am going to have a mufflex cated pipe custom made.
I am still so stuborn on this subject that i feel like driving to the nearest inspection station and asking them LOL .
I can get a Real inspection sticker on my car from a source but that would suck to go through all of that to just hit a road side inspection check point to have it just ripped off of my windsheild by a cop at a 100 bucks a pop

[NJSPEEDER]

the state still requires access to the pipes for the sniffer. i dunno why, but they do.
there are laws for older cars about where pipes can exit as well.

[ins0mnia24]

So ok i found as good as i am going to get with a N.J. State inspection opinion
My g/f's brother in laws father works for N.J. inspection station so i phoned him and he asking his father for me on the regulations plus i might talk to this guy personally today to find more about it and why for future reference's
Thanks for your input guys i appreciate it plus is something to do since my car is burried in the snow

[foff667]

I thought for newer cars they don't use the sniffers anymore?? minei s a 2002 so i thought they only did it with the OBD2 Diagnostic hooked up or do they use the sniffers along with that?? Because i have been searching the NJDMV site and it says they only inspect exhaust for Leaks, Noise and tampering of the Catalytic converter.
#4 The inspector then drives the car onto the dynamometer, a treadmill-like device that simulates regular driving. He or she puts the emissions probe in place, sets the computer then accelerates the engine.

Vehicles models 1998 (1996 effective January 1, 2004) and newer will receive the new OBD (On-Board Diagnostics) Test. The inspector will connect to the cars diagnostic control panel for a reading of how the vehicle is operating. Vehicles with dashboard lights illuminated or damaged OBD connectors will automatically fail. A common OBD failure is for Readiness. This means that the vehicle was not "ready" to be tested. Vehicles which fail for readiness most likely need to be driven. If you have just recently had service or disconnected the battery, the vehicle is likely to fail for readiness. Check your owners manual to understand the required drive cycle required to place your vehicle in a "ready" mode.
Is that what they mean by Probe?? sticking something in the tail pipe? because last May i only saw them hook up to My cars PCM i didnt see them stick anything in my tail pipe

technically your not supposed to touch functioning cats...so if your concerned about where your exhaust dumps you might wanna worry about your cats being in a different spot...people have been turned down for far less then what your talking about. If you think theres a chance for problems there probably will be so you might wanna start looking for a private shop to do your inspections at.

[Ian]

cant you just call the company that makes the exhaust and ask them if its legal?

[ins0mnia24]

They claim it is legal in most states but say they don't know which states it is illegal in. But my g/f's brother inlaw his dad works for the N.J. Inspection he is going to be calling me tonight to answer my info i will post what he says in here for other peoples future reference

[Savage_Messiah]

considering I failed a few times for a magnaflow single catback, good luck...

[JL8Jeff]

I think they need access to actual pipes that exit from under the vehicle so they can do a tailpipe test if the OBDII computer isn't test ready.

[JW]

I just go to private inspec. its fast, easy, & I pass everytime. :)

JW :D

[Savage_Messiah]

I think they need access to actual pipes that exit from under the vehicle so they can do a tailpipe test if the OBDII computer isn't test ready.

No, they just fail it if the OBD won't give them a pass

[JL8Jeff]

DMV's website says they will do a tailpipe roller test if you fail but put at least $400 into repairs in an attempt to pass. But I think the reason the tailpipes have to exit from under the body is because the exhaust could get into the passenger compartment. So dumps will never pass.

[Savage_Messiah]

DMV's website says they will do a tailpipe roller test if you fail but put at least $400 into repairs in an attempt to pass. But I think the reason the tailpipes have to exit from under the body is because the exhaust could get into the passenger compartment. So dumps will never pass.

Are you sure that isn't for pre-96 cars??

[JL8Jeff]

Are you sure that isn't for pre-96 cars??

Nope, that's for the OBDII stuff. Pre 96 has to do the roller test anyway and it's a backup option for the OBDII if you spend enough trying to fix it but it still fails with an SES light for emissions reasons.

[Tru2Chevy]

Exhaust has to exit at the rear or side of the vehicle (not under it), and it must be at least 4" behind the last passenger window that can be lowered.

My dad looked it up in his inspection guide (he has his state inspection license) when my brother was talking about running the exhause of his '79 Malibu out in front of the rear wheels.

I say get the rumbler and have it modified to dump in front of each rear tire. It's not quite legal, but it's better than dumps before the axle.

- Justin

[198esp1]

Went thru at bakers basin last week, I have a 3.5 bullet muffler with turn down right before the axel that passed they failed me for no front plate this time the last two times thru no plate no problem. go figure ? roll the dice and see

[Rich189]

Cops can also harass you for not having visual exhaust pipes. I know someone who has a TSP True Duel SetUp for sale if your interested. He had it set up with the older QTP style headers, & a Mufflex ORY (with cat-shells). Its really really loud, I'll ask him how much he is looking to get for it.


if hes using a y pipe i dont beleive it would be td setup.... td = x pipe

[ins0mnia24]

Ok so i found out all the information and a few of you guys are correct.
Ok i met with the guy and showed him some pictures of a Camaro with the TSP X-pipe with dumps before the axle and ect.
He said since mine is a 02 It would only get the OBD (On Board Diagnostics) test, no need to put sniffer probe in tailpipe, BUT State Law says tailpipe must end after the last usable window,
so on a 2002 Camaro it would have to be at the very least behind the rear axle facing outward away from the car not down. People get away with it on Pickup trucks because the last usable window is still ahead of the rear axle,and it still has to protrude away from the vehicle.
I also showed him the idea of dumping them before the back tires and he said it would fail also because it is to close the windows
He also said he was suprised i passed inspection last May with my current set-up Edelbrock shortys,Slp Y-pipe and LM cat-back he said it was very Loud and has seen quieter cars fail just for noise alone. And he said he would bet me $ it would probably fail the next time i go for inspection with that set-up
He also told me they were told by the head of his station to start cracking down on Loud cars, Performance moded cars ect..
He also told me that is totally up to the inspector to fail me or not, so if their having a bad day, had a fight with their husband or wife or just hate sports cars or Camaro's they could fail me.
Haha so now this wonderful state of ours gives me another reason to hate it.
He also recommended to me when i put the new system on, to make sure i place the new cats within a Inch or so of the stock locations so that way visually it will look like it is stock he said it might help in the long run.
So i guess i am just going to Install my QTP Headers and have a 3 inch custom fabbed hi-flow catted y-pipe done by Mufflex then run it into my cat back.
Wow guys this spring is going to be awesome for me.The Mailman just dropped off my package I ordered from GM Performance division i just got my LS-1 to LS-6 Conversion package LS-6 heads,cam,gaskets hardware 405 Horse hehe

[wrong generation]

quick question that has to deal with the same type of thing

im gona be running a true dual set up with an x pipe on my thirdgen ( yes its possible)

but my question has to do with the cat converters. sense ill be using 2 cats will i fail sense there is gona be more then the factory recomends and sense they arnt gona be in the stock location ?

[coldkilla]

hey you said you are getting rid of your loudmouth, are you willing to sell it? im about to buy one but if you are gonna sell yours and its in good, unmodified shape, i might take it from you. how much if you are?

[coldkilla]

if you move your cats from the stock location you will automatically fail, hands down no buts about it. it is a federal law that you are not allowed to alter, move, modify etc. any emissions equipment on a public road driven vehicle AT ALL. about adding one more? i dont know about that. It comes down to common sense, are moving the cat way off from where it originally was? if so they might catch it. if you just move it a bit the average inspector isnt going to know where it was originally. as always, anyone thats worried about jerk off inspectors SHOULD JUST GO TO A PRIVATE GARAGE! its only 50 bucks or so depending and ive never known anyone to fail for the stupid **** that the state guys fail people for ie, noise, cat placement etc. most of the garages just require that you HAVE a cat.

[ins0mnia24]

Yeah i know Coldkilla, I just was hoping to run the x-pipe system to gain a few more ponies and since my car is a A-4 I'd like every bit i can get to keep up with the 6-speed F-bodys. TTP installed a Transgo shift kit on my car but i want more as always so,
I keep dropping all this $ in my car and i should be saving for the new Camaro LOL I got a stock pile of parts to get on my car hopefully before the end of April middle of May the latest, these QTP Headers sitting here infront of me is killing me i want them on my car and now with this mornings mail arrival i got the LS-6 Conversion package sitting here and i'm ordering a new torque converter today soon as i can talk to some techs from some of the companies that make them.
Suck's now i'm gonna be broke and won't be able to do dyno day at TTP :0(
Now with my LoudMouth system i didn't mention anything about selling it, i said i was going to try running it with the QTP Headers and 3inch custom y pipe But you know how that goes it is loud as Hell now with the shortys on my car, so i know it is going to be even Worse after the QTP's i am just going to try it for a week and if i can't take the drone on the highway I will be taking it off though.
Your car is a 93 Right Coldkilla?? i don't think my Loud Mouth will fit your car cuz mine is a 2002 but i think SLP has a conversion kit that will adapt it to fit your car
Anyways My SLP Loudmouth cat-back is the original 1st Non Modular Version which to me is the best one they made because it use's 2 less clamps because the Bullet muffler is welded directly to the I- Pipe instead of the newer version having a clamp on Bullet so that's less chance of leakes if you ask me. I'm not even sure if i can get it off in one piece because i used a impact gun to tighten all the clamps LOL and it fit so well onto my car that it allowed all the fittings to slide more in the pipes so each clamp connection had about 3 or so inches of pipe slid in after tigthening the clamps with a impact gun, pulling that much legnth out off the pipes is going to be a real Pain in the ass. I got some sound files if you want to here what the kit sounds like for your car And if your willing to wait until about the 3rd week of March to see if i hate the Rasp and drone with the headers. If i cant deal with it and switch cat-backs I'll sell you the whole kit for $250 the L.M. isn't even a year old yet i put it on my car last May so let me know if you wanna wait ok

[coldkilla]

yeah they have an adapter kit but dont sweat it, i was gonna buy a new one anyways, ill just go ahead and do that, i cant wait!!!! yeah i would like to hear the sound files tho if ya could, thanks.

[ins0mnia24]

sound files sent coldkilla i still cant find the video i had of 100% w.o.t. maybe i ll make a new one this afternoon haha

[ar0ck]

if hes using a y pipe i dont beleive it would be td setup.... td = x pipe

Well what I meant to say is he uses cat shells right off the headers like OEM, and he also has the same style y-pipe, because he switched it back for an SLP Duel/Duel.

[1QWIKBIRD]

I went through inspection at Baker's Basin in October with no problems and I have full length headers, no EGR system custom y-pipe with cats (done by mufflex) bullet muffler in the tunnel, an electric cutout right after the bullet muffler and a factory SS muffler with dual/dual tips...The car is not loud, but not stock sounding either. I could have failed for the cutout, the aftermarket y-pipe, the missing egr stuff....but they had no reason to look for that stuff cause nothing about the car sends up the "look at me flag"....at least to the average state inspector.

It really depends on the inspector, the noise levels, and the codes. I think if the codes come up clean, the car sounds stock or very close, then they aren't gonna look real close. But if codes come up, the car sounds noticeable louder and they don't see tail pipes at all....they will dig deeper....and you could suffer

Chris

[foff667]

Wow guys this spring is going to be awesome for me.The Mailman just dropped off my package I ordered from GM Performance division i just got my LS-1 to LS-6 Conversion package LS-6 heads,cam,gaskets hardware 405 Horse hehe

any reason you went with the ls6 pkg? your talking maybe 50hp to the wheels for what $2000? bad choice if you ask me...you couldve gone cam only or at least an old man cam and gotten 50 to the wheels more then likely for 1/3rd the price. Just an observation not a flame.