Seriously considering boycotting ls1tech

[foff667]

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=453919

we are now basically forbid from even pming people info about other options...otherwise we face bans :-? greedy ****ing bastards over there...if you can't afford the $175/mo for sponsorship don't even try to get business, but if that sponsor screws you too bad :gay: considering the only sections i frequent now are the pcm & eastern sections now and the pcm section has gone to ****(every other thread is a hpt vs. efilive thread) I really dont have much of a reason to go there. It was such a good board too :( I even bought a shirt when i first signed up.

[Tru2Chevy]

That's such BS. I understand the need to cover website costs, and the need to keep sponsors happy, however they are basically asking you to turn in users who PM info about non-sponsors....such crap. I would rather off myself than be associated with a site like that.

- Justin

[Demian]

I think that Mod handled things all wrong and "bear" made a great point to which the Mod has yet to reply.

[foff667]

nineball is not a mod hes part owner/admin if im not mistaken...the site is now completely been overtaken by money...look at the efilive vs. hptuners thing its completely out of hand.

[Tru2Chevy]

look at the efilive vs. hptuners thing its completely out of hand.

Link?

- Justin

[foff667]

Link?

- Justin

too many of them but its just one argument after another if you want more details pm me but id rather not post them on here.

[JW]

Yea money corrupts alot me and Bill had a discussion on how much these sites make on ads.

JW :D

[qwikz28]

ridiculous. so either cough up 2k a year or not solicit a private company? ls1tech is further helping the monopoly of the larger companies and not giving the little guys a chance. thats a shame cause its the big companies that suck.

edit: replying to your post right now

[foff667]

ridiculous. so either cough up 2k a year or not solicit a private company? ls1tech is further helping the monopoly of the larger companies and not giving the little guys a chance. thats a shame cause its the big companies that suck.


looks like I'll be hitting up the tracks with my business cards more often...it is sad though because the sponsors there are rarely the end all be all and usually charge rediculous amounts for their services.

[qwikz28]

looks like I'll be hitting up the tracks with my business cards more often...it is sad though because the sponsors there are rarely the end all be all and usually charge rediculous amounts for their services.
and arent usually all that great/knowledgable at what they do

[foff667]

amazing when people were out 200 grand from AP engineering(an ls1 tech sponsor) ls1tech did very little to help rectify the situation...they look out for their own pockets thats about it.

[Savage_Messiah]

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=454351

We have received quite a few complaints lately about some members who undercut our paying sponsors on labor or parts, and this will not be tolerated.

Is this guy really that much of a jerkoff???

[qwikz28]

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=454351



Is this guy really that much of a jerkoff???
no hes just trying to make money

[foff667]

and its not even about the entrepenuer(sp?) if someone posts "any tuning shops in va?" if i pm the person and say hey talk to humpinss he might be able to help you out I would get banned if that person decided to turn me in. To take it one step further they are rewarding people for turning others in so who's to say people wont put out a bait thread similar to the example I posted just to get free stuff...thats a little drastic but it is a possiblity in this ****ed up world we live in. Just sad :( i've bought stuff from the tech store in the past as some of you have probably seen me in my ls1tech shirt not to mention until today I had them in the links section of my page listed as the best technical site on the web...got a question go there....no longer.

[Savage_Messiah]

no hes just trying to make money

Yes and in his quest to make money he's saying that if you offer labor or parts for less than their sponsors - and god knows all those big name shops charge way more in labor than most of us would like to pay - then you get banned?! Yea because that REALLY contributes to the community and helps it grow...

[Tru2Chevy]

::Shakes head::

Nice post Bill - I wonder if they will end up modifying the rules slightly based on responses of the masses.

- Justin

[JL8Jeff]

Wow, that is completely out of control. If I ask for information on a product or service I always prefer someone to give me a link to make things easier. I can see that board losing a lot of loyal viewers. Every link on that board to another website with tech info could hit them up for a royalty. That is just stupid. I wonder who bought the board because that would never happen in a free trade environment. One of the main sponsors must have bought control of it. It doesn't really matter to me since I haven't posted a whole lot over there.

[qwikz28]

Wow, that is completely out of control. If I ask for information on a product or service I always prefer someone to give me a link to make things easier. I can see that board losing a lot of loyal viewers. Every link on that board to another website with tech info could hit them up for a royalty. That is just stupid. I wonder who bought the board because that would never happen in a free trade environment. One of the main sponsors must have bought control of it. It doesn't really matter to me since I haven't posted a whole lot over there.
i like your response. but i doubt we'll have any effect on this guy

[Tru2Chevy]

From tech:
Welcome to Russia.....

:rofl: :rofl:

Funny, but sad that it's actually true.

- Justin

[camaroracer1992]

sounds interesting NOT!!!!

[JL8Jeff]

Look at the list of sponsors. He must be making some serious cash off those guys. Obviously that is not a tech board but rather a business. BuuuhhhByyyye.:wavey:

[Tru2Chevy]

Well, I think they said ~70 sponsors at $2,100 per year each. That's almost $150,000 per year, just in sponsorship money.

- Justin

[Frosty]

I threw my opinion in. That thread might have something to do with me. I have a buddy that owns a small shop near me. I've referred a few people to him just get price quotes or what not. The closest "sponser" is Mike@Rapid Motorsports and he's not near us.

Whatever, **** Nineball. What a **** way of handling it.

[qwikz28]

I threw my opinion in. That thread might have something to do with me. I have a buddy that owns a small shop near me. I've referred a few people to him just get price quotes or what not. The closest "sponser" is Mike@Rapid Motorsports and he's not near us.

Whatever, **** Nineball. What a **** way of handling it.
TTP and Cartek and QTP. the funny thing is the website still runs like **** and freezes on me all the time. good maintenance work guys!

[Frosty]

TTP and Cartek and QTP.


They're not near me really. I'm literally 5 minutes outside of Philly

[V]

i think i used LS1tech once, and never again. I left LS1.com for several reasons but one being the whole business atmosphere and lack of a true enthusiasts gathering.

Bill, send a few business cards my way and i'll hand them out. We got a bunch of lt1/ls1 guys up here in addition to other vehicles you tune.

I think $175 a month for sponsorship is crazy. I wonder if they would have a problem if i posted all parts i have for sale over there. probably. thats why i havent even considered it. I know it isnt cheap to buy/rent/maintain whatever a website like ls1tech, or even NJFBOA for that matter, but still that is going overboard with having others turn people in and giving rewards.

tim, justin, have you considered having sponsors here? and I dont mean like 175 a month, maybe like just donations or a reasonable $10 monthly amount, in exchange theyd get referrals and maybe an extra link or a sticky in a certain forum. I know it wouldnt be much, but an extra 20-40 a month wouldnt hurt, and you could check the person out so that you are sure that they honest and have a previous reputation.

[Frosty]

I know my buddy would probably become a sponser here if the fees were cheap.

[Tru2Chevy]

tim, justin, have you considered having sponsors here? and I dont mean like 175 a month, maybe like just donations or a reasonable $10 monthly amount, in exchange theyd get referrals and maybe an extra link or a sticky in a certain forum. I know it wouldnt be much, but an extra 20-40 a month wouldnt hurt, and you could check the person out so that you are sure that they honest and have a previous reputation.

PM sent....

I know my buddy would probably become a sponser here if the fees were cheap.

PM sent...

- Justin

[foff667]

i think i used LS1tech once, and never again. I left LS1.com for several reasons but one being the whole business atmosphere and lack of a true enthusiasts gathering.

Bill, send a few business cards my way and i'll hand them out. We got a bunch of lt1/ls1 guys up here in addition to other vehicles you tune.

I think $175 a month for sponsorship is crazy. I wonder if they would have a problem if i posted all parts i have for sale over there. probably. thats why i havent even considered it. I know it isnt cheap to buy/rent/maintain whatever a website like ls1tech, or even NJFBOA for that matter, but still that is going overboard with having others turn people in and giving rewards.

tim, justin, have you considered having sponsors here? and I dont mean like 175 a month, maybe like just donations or a reasonable $10 monthly amount, in exchange theyd get referrals and maybe an extra link or a sticky in a certain forum. I know it wouldnt be much, but an extra 20-40 a month wouldnt hurt, and you could check the person out so that you are sure that they honest and have a previous reputation.

pm me where to send em :) I considered sponsoring tech as well as a couple of v6 sites but you'd almost have to have a mail order business of some sort to have it be worth while...look at shops like ttp they arent just a tuning co. they tune they install & they have an online store. I don't believe in mail order tuning I've seen a few of them & most do very very little over the stock programming in reality so thats not an avenue I'm willing to look into at this point. Anywayz thanks for the support guys at least I know im not the only one that thinks this is a bit overboard.

[Brando56894]

You may not reply publicly with any contact info about a non-sponsoring vendor or individual. You may send someone a PM at your own risk, but if that person turns you in for using this site to help solicit business for non-sponsors, you will get banned.

thats just plain ******** right there...

[Rob WS6]

Damn thats really messed up... it pisses me off and Im not even a member there. I cant say Im surprised though, this is quickly becoming the "new" American way all over. People only seem to care about money anymore, not helping your fellow man.

[Savage_Messiah]

pm me where to send em :)

**** just give em to me... I seem to be the North/Central mediator after all :lol:

[Frosty]

Seems like they're backtracking a bit. Maybe I jumped the gun but it seems to me the scenerio I posted was considered wrong. F that, I'll continue to help a friend that just got his shop off of the ground.

[Tru2Chevy]

They have seemed to back off a bit, but guys like Bill are still screwed. I don't see the problem with sending someone a PM if they ask about local tuning....

- Justin

[foff667]

They have seemed to back off a bit, but guys like Bill are still screwed. I don't see the problem with sending someone a PM if they ask about local tuning....

- Justin

it doesnt suck for me so much as it hurts the registered users because they are hiding the fact you can get parts cheaper elsewhere or get better service elsewhere just because they have their name up on a board doesnt mean they are better then someone who doesnt it just means they are higher volume whether by choice or what have you.

[NJSPEEDER]

i posted my piece.
i can see what they are saying about some people. there are those, bill you know who i am talking about, who are constantly whoring themselves and their best friends shops on teh site. i can see that as a problem, but it is something that can be dealt with in private through an attentive moderator.
to say that i and all other members are subject to being banned because we woudl refer members to a less expensive or more local alternative is ridiculous.
i have talked with tony several times and to have this be such a big deal to him someone must have come down hard about it. he is usually not a very reactionary person unless he is really pushed.

[foff667]

I will probably say tony isnt the one thats behind all this...hes the one with the power but yeah like you said someone or many mustve come to him. I wouldnt say its necessarily registered users either...i would say it was probably sponsors saying to Tony/PSJ "hey these people keep pming our potential customers, make it stop" The fact is if people post asking for a tuner in VA or whatever and maybe dont want to drive the 200 miles to rapid or cartek or whathave you what are we supposed to tell them? No, there are no other shops? Or give them the second best alternative? Something about freedom of speech comes to mind but maybe it doesnt apply to public forums :shrug:

[NJSPEEDER]

all of their on site materials refer to advertising, not exclusive parts/services suppliers. that is the problem i have with it.
as sponsorship comes online here we are going to have rules in place about selling and refering by/to members and non-members. but we do not expect any sponsor to be the absolute solution for every member in need of parts/services. that would just be unrealistic.

[Frosty]

This whole thing is really leaving a bad taste in my mouth regarding that site.

[NJSPEEDER]

i wouldn't recomend writing the whole community over there off because of this. there are still many knowledgable adn enthusiastic members.
i am sure it will all sort itself out quickly and things will get pretty much back to normal.

[Frosty]

I'm not writing them all off but now it's clear that the site is a business. Oh and they help people too but that's after the $$ is collected lol

[ar0ck]

QTP Doesn't do installs, we just deal out of Midland Park.

Some mods over their expect hand outs from us... just because their mods.

[NJSPEEDER]

liek i said, it is unrealistic.
take alex's example of QTP. their merge flow collector headers are the hot ticket right now. if they were to sponsor this site would anyone expect justin or i to tell you all that there is no other company making or providing headers in the whole world? no, because we know that would be retarded.
i woudl ask that everyone refer to a sponsor and give any paid sponsor/advertiser the chance to match/ beat any advertised price before shopping elsewhere, but in the end where you buy is your decision.

[JL8Jeff]

Yeah, it sounds like they're handling the spamming thing the wrong way. They should just keep it to PM's unless the problem is really rampant. But to cut off any reference to a non sponsor is ridiculous. Most people trying to mod their cars don't have the funds to pay the sponsor prices, plain and simple. And I will say that I've bought stuff from several of their sponsors because they had the best deal. A non sponsor is not going to undercut some of the prices, it seems to be more of a services issue. And when you come down to labor rates, that's all over the place and you still have a quality of work issue. But I still haven't seen a message board that has even 1/2 of the number of sponsors that board has so you know it's a business, not just a tech board.

[formulaMARK]

:supergay: GAYY GAY GAY and more GAY.:supergay:

[NJSPEEDER]

i think part of the problem is that the people incharge are tony and john. tony has at least 8 cars that i have heard about, 6 of which are cool enough for him to list in his sig, and last i heard PSJ had over $25k into jsut his friggin motor.
they seem to be out of touch with the financial and time costs of driving 2 hours from trenton to get a cat back installed at TTP vs going to mufflex right down the street.

[Jersey_TA]

I don't go to LS2.com for a similar reason(spamming of a sponsor). It felt like I couldn't go 1 thread in the eastern section without seeing their name "whored out"

no offense to anyone who likes them or goes there

[qwikz28]

why not have a small sponsor fee where you are allowed to post info about your site but not be a full sponsor to offer GPs and have your link on the side of the page?

[BigAls87Z28]

:givesaf:
LSX kids are just a bunch of wussy dyno queens. "Look, my heads and cam did XXXhp, now look at my 22 inch e-Muscles and my 15 inch e-****."

Whatever.

[foff667]

well Al I am the keyboard tough guy :lol:

[camaroracer1992]

**** happens.......... deal with it pussy

[Frosty]

:givesaf:
LSX kids are just a bunch of wussy dyno queens. "Look, my heads and cam did XXXhp, now look at my 22 inch e-Muscles and my 15 inch e-****."

Whatever.


lol nice way to label an entire group of people. I'm sure a lot of labels can be placed on other generation fbody owners as well ;)

[camaroracer1992]

yeah frosty 1st gen owners are the pussys that dont do **** to theyre "special" and"pristine" car PUSSIES!!

[BonzoHansen]

yeah frosty 1st gen owners are the pussys that dont do **** to theyre "special" and"pristine" car PUSSIES!!Rrriiiggghhhttt……:roll:

[BonzoHansen]

Damn, it got yanked just as I finished reading page 3. It was already locked. I guess someone made a good point or something.

But then there is this one: http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=454356

[NJSPEEDER]

there are now threads in a lot of forums about it and the ban has been backed off to some restricted status that basically allows you to read the site.
for turning someone in you also get a reward, 2 hatch stickers. glory days gang, they make $18k a month and will offer you a pair of $0.25 stickers if you snitch on people for treating their members fair. what a great f'ing deal that is :roll:

[35thls1ss19]

:givesaf:
LSX kids are just a bunch of wussy dyno queens. "Look, my heads and cam did XXXhp, now look at my 22 inch e-Muscles and my 15 inch e-****."

Whatever.

LOL...... are you talkin about supras? and atleats ours look good :)

[Frosty]

LOL...... are you talkin about supras? and atleats ours look good :)


:lol:

As the age old saying goes: What's the difference between a 500hp Supra and 700hp Supra? About 2 tenths.

[Jclt12003]

I have been on LS1tech a few times to browse there for sale section and a few other things. I am not really a big fan of the forum it seems to political almost. The site just has a different feel then other forums i belong to. I don't really know why but i'm not a big fan of LS1tech and very rarely visit there.

[35thls1ss19]

:lol:

As the age old saying goes: What's the difference between a 500hp Supra and 700hp Supra? About 2 tenths.


yea thats tru... i have also heard "nothing they both run 12's" lol

[BigAls87Z28]

Ahaha...looks like a few of you guys got hurt by that comment??
Im kidding, but I remember on LS1 and then LS2.com, thats pretty much all it was.

[Frosty]

Ahaha...looks like a few of you guys got hurt by that comment??
Im kidding, but I remember on LS1 and then LS2.com, thats pretty much all it was.


I know you were, I was just busting your balls back.

[35thls1ss19]

Ahaha...looks like a few of you guys got hurt by that comment??
Im kidding, but I remember on LS1 and then LS2.com, thats pretty much all it was.
i got a little upset :(

[BigAls87Z28]

Its ok, go do 200 more push ups to make your e-Muscles bigger.

[35thls1ss19]

Its ok, go do 200 more push ups to make your e-Muscles bigger.
ok ass i was jkin and e-muscles lol look at your screen name "BIGAL" wow

[WayFast84]

thats insane!! heres my input

I help a few freinds pay for their website called burnin rubber. its along story but its a website and a forum and Im pretty sure it's $196 for 2 years! me and like 6 other people have given a few bucks to help out with the costs untill we can get some sponsers from the area the club/forum is based from..but damn $1000+ a year in sponsers is crazy $100,000+ a year is just mind blowing..

[Frosty]

I'm sure it costs a decent amount of $$ per month/year to run that site due to the amount of traffic it sees. HOWEVER, seeing how much $$ they have coming in you'd figure that site wouldn't run slow as **** and have the type of bandwidth bottlenecks it has(try going on during peak times, it could take upwards of 15-20 seconds for a page to load).

[Savage_Messiah]

ok ass i was jkin and e-muscles lol look at your screen name "BIGAL" wow

it's actually "Bi Gals" ;)

[35thls1ss19]

it's actually "Bi Gals" ;)
lol thats work too haha

[foff667]

thats insane!! heres my input

I help a few freinds pay for their website called burnin rubber. its along story but its a website and a forum and Im pretty sure it's $196 for 2 years! me and like 6 other people have given a few bucks to help out with the costs untill we can get some sponsers from the area the club/forum is based from..but damn $1000+ a year in sponsers is crazy $100,000+ a year is just mind blowing..

actually the small banners on the right are $175/mo so your talking closer to $1900/year if you prepay for one year...i think someone said they have 127 sponsors so you do the math...that doesnt include all the people paying $350/mo for the large rotating banner at the top...nor does it include t-shirt/hat/underwear/bra/whatever sales they do on the side through their store. I said in one of the treads they have to be pulling in close to or more then 1/2 mil a year for just the one site not to mention the other ones they have their hands in.

[WayFast84]

actually the small banners on the right are $175/mo so your talking closer to $1900/year if you prepay for one year...i think someone said they have 127 sponsors so you do the math...that doesnt include all the people paying $350/mo for the large rotating banner at the top...nor does it include t-shirt/hat/underwear/bra/whatever sales they do on the side through their store. I said in one of the treads they have to be pulling in close to or more then 1/2 mil a year for just the one site not to mention the other ones they have their hands in.
what ********..i think im gonna have a forum so i can be a bum...are the admins payed? if it makes you feel any better you can tune my lg4:) and when I get my 4th gen you can tune that and if I get a 5th gen you can deffinatly tune that! :mrgreen:

[foff667]

admins are paid, mods are not...though mods can in some cases get discounts from the sponsors.

[WayFast84]

admins are paid, mods are not...though mods can in some cases get discounts from the sponsors. you want to tune my car to fill the void? :rofl:

im gonna become a profesional admin again..

[Tru2Chevy]

you want to tune my car to fill the void? :rofl:

He can't tune your car...only 96+ OBDII cars.

- Justin