Would you vote for this man?

[unstable bob gable]

I "soiently" would! NYUK, NYUK, NYUK!

http://tonova.typepad.com/thesuddencurve/curly.jpg

[Savage_Messiah]

Anything's better than Bush!

[unstable bob gable]

Anything's better than Bush!

Watch it, Fidgit! lol

[The Fixer]

My three-year-old son would probably do a better job than the guy running this place right now.

Think about it. Bush's approval rating is down below 30%. He won the election two years ago by 52% or something. So, in theory, over 20% of the people that voted FOR him now think he sucks. Need we say more?

[Tsar]

communism ftw

[Brando56894]

soitently!

[Ian]

communism ftw

If human greed was not a factor, communism would certainly be FTW. But everyone always wants more, so its still communism FTL.

[Rich189]

well since none of the other people actually answered the question.... hell yea id vote for him but only if moe was vp

[enRo]

Anything's better than Bush!

Ahhh, so ur a "tree trunk" kinda guy :lol:

[NJSPEEDER]

Ahhh, so ur a "tree trunk" kinda guy :lol:

he has to be, that is as far up the tree as he can see. lol

i like how everything that is wrong with the country is getting blamed on bush. did anyone here pay attention is class when it was explained that congress/senate propose and vote on laws and policy and the pres jsut gets to sign it, and if he refuses they just vote again and tell him to shove it.

the president is 99% figure head in this country. if you wanna find someone to blame for ****in things up call your senator/congressman.

[JL8Jeff]

Anything's better than Bush!

Gee, you mean like Clinton or Al Gore! Puuuullllleeeaaase. People have jumped on the "blame George Bush" bandwagon right now because it's easier to blame him for everything wrong in this world than to actually find out what the problem is. If Al Gore was in office, none of us would be driving F-body's. I gaurantee that the next president will get beat up just as bad as Bush because this country is more efffed up right now than ever before. The terrorist attacks served their purpose and then add the "natural" disaster of having a major city below the water line and the country starts falling apart. My local gov't is more efffed up than any other part of NJ and it's all democrats. So it doesn't matter what party is running things right now, we're all screwed! So hell yeah, Curly for President!8)

[Savage_Messiah]

I actually blame the electoral college, since he never won majority vote in his first election. And fine, if not just Bush, than the whole f'ing warmongering administration.

Give me one good, valid reason why we needed to repeat vietnam in Iraq.

[WayFast84]

Give me one good, valid reason why we needed to repeat vietnam in Iraq.
Oil?:rollseye:

[NJSPEEDER]

Give me one good, valid reason why we needed to repeat vietnam in Iraq.

iraq is not a repeat of vietnam. anyone who makes or believes that it is clearly has little/no understanding of the political conditions that lead to the vietnam mess.
the reason we are in iraq and the rest of the middle east is simple. all those people who wandered the globe openly hating americans finally decided to bring the fight to us. they attacked and killed thousands of innocent people on our home soil.
this is completely unacceptable and has been met with the appropriate response.
do i believe in war as a solution to political problems? NO
do i like knowing that so many sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, and friends are at terrible risk? NO
do i believe that americans have the right to live without having to fear what some thirdworld retard is gonna blow up next? YES

americans have always taken pride in protecting themselves from an offensive postition. even a glance at history makes that clear. so why is it such a problem when we are doing it this time?

[Tsar]

iraq is not a repeat of vietnam. anyone who makes or believes that it is clearly has little/no understanding of the political conditions that lead to the vietnam mess.
the reason we are in iraq and the rest of the middle east is simple. all those people who wandered the globe openly hating americans finally decided to bring the fight to us. they attacked and killed thousands of innocent people on our home soil.
this is completely unacceptable and has been met with the appropriate response.
do i believe in war as a solution to political problems? NO
do i like knowing that so many sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, and friends are at terrible risk? NO
do i believe that americans have the right to live without having to fear what some thirdworld retard is gonna blow up next? YES

americans have always taken pride in protecting themselves from an offensive postition. even a glance at history makes that clear. so why is it such a problem when we are doing it this time?um...come again... Al Queda and Bin Laden attacked America. Most hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, was there even one that was from Iraq? yet Saudi Arabia is still around and kicking. Why do people always confuse "war on terrorism" and war in iraq? :scratch: i mean wasnt Bush the one who was preaching about WMDs that iraq doesnt have anymore. and if WMDs were the case why not attack North Korea they are far more unstable and ACTUALLY posses the damn thing. There's always China and they are communist, and as i learn in HS all communists are evil. And then there's my country that just several months ago increased its nuke production by about 200%. Oh and you cant forget that we (russia) supply Iran with all the "bad stuff" altho at the same time we sell weapons to Israel so they can kick the **** out Iran when the light finally drops. There's also India that has been buying all Russian weapons for years and does have WMDs too - however i cant come up with nothing bad about Indians so ill leave them alone. So umm...how come those countries are OK to have WMDs and others arent?

ohh BTW im not an anti-war hippie, i was all for the war in Afganistan cuz there was an actual cuz for it but war in Iraq is just a joke. Daddy couldnt finish the job so the son had to step in. Oh and please dont tell me what happened with kurds billion years ago. Any of the countries ive mentioned above have done pretty much the same yet they are still there. ok now someone feel free to enlighten me without locking this thread.

[NJSPEEDER]

al queda's primary leadership, bin laden and others, were based in iraq and the government was terribly unstable. currently the UN plan is to have an occupation force(about 85% US troops) patrol with and assist in the training of new military and police forces with in iraq.
currently the US is not a part of any military offensive in iraq, only police actions under the shared direction of the UN and the iraq government.

you just made another on eof my favorite stupid statements. what does w have to do with his dad? did america get attacked on it's own soil under george sr's administration?
sr took action based on a 40 year old treaty with the government of kuwait to offer mutual aid in time of conflict. the treaty invovled the US, kuwait, united arab emerites(sp?), and iran. that is why the us troops stopped at the iran/iraq border.

china is not an immediate threat to the US, and have not politically shown any desire to become one. so we don't have to worry about them right now. although i am sure the US government is keeping an eye on them.

as far as who supplies arms to whom, who cares. at some point the US government has supplied arms to nearly every nation in the world, including the swiss. the soviet union has taken the lead in this department since it's collapse as it opened up a massive supply of cheap weapons to the world market.
not that it makes much fo a difference who gives the weapons out. because we all know there is someone somewhere who can deliver anything for a price.

[Tsar]

al queda's primary leadership, bin laden and others, were based in iraq and the government was terribly unstable. um..wrong chief, where are you getting this stuff from. After Bin laden was exiled out of Saudia Arabia and given (after being disowned) a substantial sum of money by his family, who are billionaires and have nothing to do with terrorism, he went to Afganistan and not Iraq. You might also recall that that Afganistan had all the training camps for his "soldiers" and they were protected by Taliban who pretty much took over Afganistan after Soviet-Afgan war. Saddam would've slaughtered Taliban just he annialated any other group he disliked or that he thought was threat to his rule. During on of many stupid Bush's speaches he tryed to say that Al queda was somehow in iraq but that was BS just like WMDs.
ninjaedit* you might remember during the war in afganistan most al queda people ran across the border to pakistan - it would be kinda hard to jump from iraq to pakistan....



you just made another one of my favorite stupid statements. what does w have to do with his dad? did america get attacked on it's own soil under george sr's administration?
sr took action based on a 40 year old treaty with the government of kuwait to offer mutual aid in time of conflict. the treaty invovled the US, kuwait, united arab emerites(sp?), and iran. that is why the us troops stopped at the iran/iraq border.
that was one of my personal attacks on bush, i have no proof why he attacked iraq. but its not because of WMDs or terrorists (well besides saddam, he killed everyone else).



china is not an immediate threat to the US, and have not politically shown any desire to become one. so we don't have to worry about them right now. although i am sure the US government is keeping an eye on them.My point about China was more about them having Nukes but no one really cares. Just like India, Russia and some other Euro countries have them but nothing is ever said about them.

You still havent said anything about North Korea, i thought they were axis of evil are they were not allowed on the face of the earth - or did i misunderstood almighty Bush?





as far as who supplies arms to whom, who cares. at some point the US government has supplied arms to nearly every nation in the world, including the swiss. the soviet union has taken the lead in this department since it's collapse as it opened up a massive supply of cheap weapons to the world market.
not that it makes much fo a difference who gives the weapons out. because we all know there is someone somewhere who can deliver anything for a price.
well tree huggers care, i dont :rofl:

[Brando56894]

ahh so now this is turning into another politcal thread huh?? plain and simple the american government is a bunch of ****ups

[Tsar]

ahh so now this is turning into another politcal thread huh?? plain and simple the american government is a bunch of ****ups
nahh just trying to educate public about that there was no al-queda in Iraq during saddam era and they were never based in Iraq. there's now tho. :lol:

well among other things.
i enjoy talking about history, well war parts :lol:

[JL8Jeff]

Al-queda was in Iraq as well as Afghanistan. They found multiple terrorist training camps in northern Iraq along with traces of chemical weapons. The problem with our country is that people won't take a stance on anything. If we did nothing to retaliate, people would have complained about a lame duck gov't. But Bush did the right thing by going after them and of course everyone complains that we shouldn't be there. Saddam was already proving he was a junior Hitler by systematically killing off certain ethnic groups. He used chemical weapons on his own people in the Iran/Iraq war. As part of the United Nations we can not sit back and allow this to happen. But most of the UN has no backbone and ran away scared. So vote for Curly and vote often!:w00t:

[NJSPEEDER]

i seem to remember several of bin ladens press clips claiming to be from iraq and i know that several of his top ranking officials have been tagged in iraq as well as afganistan.
i don't think he matters much at this point. if he is still alive, he has no place to train troops, no government is willing to hide him, and not many people are willing to follow him anyway.

saddam was pretty much a pussy, he only dominated social groups. he never defeated a single organized military group. the taliban would have pwned his ass from the sound of the bell. superior weapons, superior training(thanks in part to US funding under the ronny raygun administration), and the willingness to die for their cause would have left saddam and his bitch army crying for momma.

[WayFast84]

Just to get this straight...


America>all

edit,

tim I dont car what any one says! osama bin ladden does matter! capturing ossama would make alot of people happy! I may be a little touchey about this because my neighbor died in the attacks! It just puzzles me how hes not first on the fbi most wanted list!!

[Ian]

because the FBI only deals with matters inside our borders. anything outside is CIA...

[Tsar]

So um...not trying be a dick but show me where it says that al-queda was founded in Iraq? you can trace al-queda to soviet-afgan war and it was "founded" shortly after in afganistan. When first gulf war happen bin laden offered "help" thats about it. maybe its some new info im encountering :lol: but i doubt it...

as far as taliban owning iraq - no way jose. taliban used old soviet scrap metal and toyota trucks with rocket launchers most of the time... i mean iraq wasnt much better with their 3 plane airforce but they just had more bullets. both are pretty pathetic compared to any real army. what taliban training are u talking about, alot of them were 15 year olds with ak-47s running around behind their dads thats about it

as far as clips go, he claims to be all over the place - i saw pictures of him in GB when he was young and Russia among other things. but that was before 2001. Before the whole sep. 11 thing happen you could actually search for useful info about Bin Laden family.

[Tsar]

Just to get this straight...


America>all

edit,

tim I dont car what any one says! osama bin ladden does matter! capturing ossama would make alot of people happy! I may be a little touchey about this because my neighbor died in the attacks! It just puzzles me how hes not first on the fbi most wanted list!!
ahh kids.... stay away from grown up talk.

[Tsar]

because the FBI only deals with matters inside our borders. anything outside is CIA...
he was there tho, remember the 25 mil reward. unless im confused about something. um...

[NJSPEEDER]

i never said they were founded in iraq, just that they were operating regularly from iraq. alqueda and the taliban are not limited by geography, that is one of the issues that has made them so difficult to eliminate.

[Koll]

communism ftw

I wrote a paper on my english final junior year about communism. Went on for about 9 pages on everything about it and why its better.

I got a 90-something.

COMMUNISM FTW.

[Savage_Messiah]

i don't think he matters much at this point. if he is still alive, he has no place to train troops, no government is willing to hide him, and not many people are willing to follow him anyway.

Oh that makes PERFECT sense, who cares about the one who actually planned out the attack that started this all?? :nod: And you must not see how there's a good amount of the world that has hated the U.S. for both our economic strength and our support of Isreal, and now hates us even MORE since our invasion of Iraq. There are certainly people still willing to follow him, and I'll bet there are governments who will gladly turn a blind eye to his hideout.

The afghanistan war (not like it was even a war), that's OK, we had just cause and reason to go in. We did what we needed to and pulled out most troops, and the ones who remain aren't being killed by the people they are there to "protect"

In Iraq we went in to find WMDs... OOPS! Intelligence slipped, they didn't have any! Oh well - we can't be the first administration to attack a country for no reason - let's overthrow Saddam, he's a bad guy. OK, done. Uh oh, what now??? I know, let's forget that there is no one type of government that is best for every nation in the world, try to impose our democratic governement on people who don't want it / can't handle it, and let's die for that too! Yea, we'll keep our boys dying for their freedom when once we finally pull our self riteous heads out of our asses, another dictator will come around and just take over again! What does it matter that our country is falling apart from the inside out, we have to look like the big tough U.S. and kick ass all around the globe! What's that, we're getting OUR asses kicked? OK, let's send in the military reserves now, and the national guard too!! Last time I checked, it was "national guard" not "international guard"

I'm sorry that I can't support a president who feels that it's necessary to stay in Iraq when it's pointless too, and keep kids my age dying for it. And we spend so much money on this war, when me and thousands of kids in other NJ state schools are about to be shelling out a looot more cash for a worse education (due to teachers pay decreasing and benefits dropping, theyre gonna have to cut some and some are definately gonna leave, making for a higher student to teacher ratio)... perhaps (it's a big maybe but still worth thinking about) if we hadn't started this idiotic war or if we don't stay there occupying it for this imperialsitic administration, there'd be some federal money to go towards the schools while NJ tries to balance its budget.

[Savage_Messiah]

i never said they were founded in iraq, just that they were operating regularly from iraq. alqueda and the taliban are not limited by geography, that is one of the issues that has made them so difficult to eliminate.

uh, the taliban was the governing party in Afghanistan, and we beat the **** out of them.

[Savage_Messiah]

I wrote a paper on my english final junior year about communism. Went on for about 9 pages on everything about it and why its better.

I got a 90-something.

COMMUNISM FTW.

then I assume you know well that communism woud be FTW if it wasn't for peoples inherint greed and unwillingness to let go of power

[Brando56894]

I wrote a paper on my english final junior year about communism. Went on for about 9 pages on everything about it and why its better.

I got a 90-something.

COMMUNISM FTW.

Marx's view of communism would be the FTW but the communism that goes on today is FTL. Marx's view of communism would never work because people are too greedy...

as for the american government, theyre just a bunch of **** ups with too much power. i agree with kasey, we attack countries for stupid reasons then get thousands of young men and women killed for no reason that will benefit us. The gov definately goes about things the wrong way, remember that kid elian gonzales? did they really have to bring the swat team in WITH THEIR GUNS DRAWN to take a 7-9 year old kid out of a house??? for christ sake what was he gonna do to them? kick and scream???

the gov is two faced, they make laws about all this stuff and say were not supposed to it and then they go ahead and do it anyway!

[Savage_Messiah]

remember that kid elian gonzales? did they really have to bring the swat team in WITH THEIR GUNS DRAWN to take a 7-9 year old kid out of a house??? for christ sake what was he gonna do to them? kick and scream???

I think you're focusing on the wrong part of that... the gun were drawn because they had the entire cuban population of florida ready to defend the kid lol. The ****ed up part is that this little kid who was the only survivor from his family, IIRC - parents died on the raft or whatever they used to escape, right next to him - was kicked out and sent back by our goverment, making their deaths in vain and their sacrifice for their son's freedom worth nothing.

[JL8Jeff]

I'm sorry that I can't support a president who feels that it's necessary to stay in Iraq when it's pointless too, and keep kids my age dying for it. And we spend so much money on this war, when me and thousands of kids in other NJ state schools are about to be shelling out a looot more cash for a worse education (due to teachers pay decreasing and benefits dropping, theyre gonna have to cut some and some are definately gonna leave, making for a higher student to teacher ratio)... perhaps (it's a big maybe but still worth thinking about) if we hadn't started this idiotic war or if we don't stay there occupying it for this imperialsitic administration, there'd be some federal money to go towards the schools while NJ tries to balance its budget.

That's where you don't understand the situation. We can't leave Iraq until it has a stable enough gov't and armed forces. If we leave Iraq now, Iraq becomes Iran and that's not a good scenario.

[Brando56894]

I think you're focusing on the wrong part of that... the gun were drawn because they had the entire cuban population of florida ready to defend the kid lol. The ****ed up part is that this little kid who was the only survivor from his family, IIRC - parents died on the raft or whatever they used to escape, right next to him - was kicked out and sent back by our goverment, making their deaths in vain and their sacrifice for their son's freedom worth nothing.

true, but did they really have to break down the door, storm in, scare the **** outta the kid, and drag him out? im sure there was another way to do it. what im tryin to say is that our government is ****ed up in the way they handle things

[jola]

That's where you don't understand the situation. We can't leave Iraq until it has a stable enough gov't and armed forces. If we leave Iraq now, Iraq becomes Iran and that's not a good scenario.
that's the truth.

there is also something to say about bush's agenda pre-2000 election. mainly, he most likely wanted to overthrow saddam even before terrorism was a concern. i'm not saying this justifies the war in any way, because it doesn't. i'm saying bush is not the stupidest person in the world, and he is surrounded by a few neo-cons that are smarter then everyone on this board. they took a crazy situation and fed on america's fears of terrorism in the middle east and attained a blank check from congress to take over countries of their choice. what was their choice? iraq.

and PS i blame corzine far more for the diluting and price gouging that will characterize NJ public education next year then president bush. NJ has often treated their best student like crap, hence the concern of the "brain drain" - the steady loss of NJ's best and brightest.

[Tsar]

that's the truth.

there is also something to say about bush's agenda pre-2000 election. mainly, he most likely wanted to overthrow saddam even before terrorism was a concern. i'm not saying this justifies the war in any way, because it doesn't. i'm saying bush is not the stupidest person in the world, and he is surrounded by a few neo-cons that are smarter then everyone on this board. they took a crazy situation and fed on america's fears of terrorism in the middle east and attained a blank check from congress to take over countries of their choice. what was their choice? iraq.

and PS i blame corzine far more for the diluting and price gouging that will characterize NJ public education next year then president bush. NJ has often treated their best student like crap, hence the concern of the "brain drain" - the steady loss of NJ's best and brightest.im pretty sure when they were talking about Iraq they were talking about WMDs which dont exist... i still cant put two and two together. i guess im retarded.

[jola]

im pretty sure when they were talking about Iraq they were talking about WMDs which dont exist... i still cant put two and two together. i guess im retarded.
oops, sorry. yea i didn't make the connection. WMD's + terrorists/terrorist states = one of average american's worst fears. whether or not they exist makes little difference if you have a cabinet/CIA capable of altering/creating information that is eaten up by a believing population.

[Tsar]

oops, sorry. yea i didn't make the connection. WMD's + terrorists/terrorist states = one of average american's worst fears. whether or not they exist makes little difference if you have a cabinet/CIA capable of altering/creating information that is eaten up by a believing population.
see your equation would work out ok IF Iraq actually had them, but whoopsie they DID NOT! North Korea on the other hand has them and said they would use it, and guess what you are giving them what they want so they dont build more. um..weird how it works out.


ninjaedit* i know i was not scared of iraq being a threat to me, wtf are they gonna do invade the United States? If a country posses no threat to a nation then wtf are you doing attacking them?

oh and way to add stuff to your post... after reading mine.

[Tsar]

add this to my above post.

Makes little difference? wtf? its called a LIE, you know they impeach you for that **** right? see there's that thing where you are not suppose to LIE on that little stand thingy when you're a president. well also invading another country for no reason - well i think thats a crime too. but its obviously ok. lets invade africa now - they have diamonds, and i can use some slaves to cut my grass.

[jola]

see your equation would work out ok IF Iraq actually had them, but whoopsie they DID NOT! North Korea on the other hand has them and said they would use it, and guess what you are giving them what they want so they dont build more. um..weird how it works out.


ninjaedit* i know i was not scared of iraq being a threat to me, wtf are they gonna do invade the United States? If a country posses no threat to a nation then wtf are you doing attacking them?

oh and way to add stuff to your post... after reading mine.
i clicked on edit immediately after i posted, but in the process of editing i had to help someone at work.

i think my equation works out great. why? b/c it worked...we are in iraq! i suppose the question to ask is, do you think bush's top cabinet members/head intelligence people believed saddam was a threat or had WMD's? if you read interviews with bush as a governor or post-9/11 but pre-iraqi invasion documents, they may change your opinion. the point of my original post wasn't to justify going to war, just to throw in a cynical view of why we may be there.

[Tsar]

i clicked on edit immediately after i posted, but in the process of editing i had to help someone at work.

i think my equation works out great. why? b/c it worked...we are in iraq! i suppose the question to ask is, do you think bush's top cabinet members/head intelligence people believed saddam was a threat or had WMD's? if you read interviews with bush as a governor or post-9/11 but pre-iraqi invasion documents, they may change your opinion. the point of my original post wasn't to justify going to war, just to throw in a cynical view of why we may be there.
ive heard Bush mumble about WMDs too many times, the first time i heard it i called BS on it. Where the hell are they(Iraq) gonna get them(WMDs)? You've devasted their 70's Soviet army equiptment in the previous war. In the second gulf war they "fought" with tanks from the 80's era their machine guns - **** i can find better ones on the street of Saint Petersburg. Their Air Force consisted of 3 or so mig 21s i believe. Are you trying to tell me that their military "force" was a threat to United States of America? PLEASE!!!

Didnt blair even admit that the whole WMD thing was straight up ********?

[jola]

Are you trying to tell me that their military "force" was a threat to United States of America? PLEASE!!!

lol, no i'm not saying that. we're on two different tracks leading in the same direction here. correct me if i'm wrong, but you are saying, bush was wrong about WMD's and now we are fighting a war for no reason (or not a righteous or legitimate reason). i am saying that maybe bush did it on purpose. maybe bush and his boys (and girl) wanted iraq for a long time and used 9/11 and the presence (real or imagined) WMD's to scare america into war. this would mean that bush lied or was lied to by powerful people in order to fufill a hidden agenda. the point of my original post: maybe, just maybe, bush and the head neo-cons are not idiots, but rather crafty opportunists. now stop arguing with me over points i didn't make. i didn't say anything earth-shattering or right-winged.

[Tsar]

lol, no i'm not saying that. we're on two different tracks leading in the same direction here. correct me if i'm wrong, but you are saying, bush was wrong about WMD's and now we are fighting a war for no reason (or not a righteous or legitimate reason). i am saying that maybe bush did it on purpose. maybe bush and his boys (and girl) wanted iraq for a long time and used 9/11 and the presence (real or imagined) WMD's to scare america into war. this would mean that bush lied or was lied to by powerful people in order to fufill a hidden agenda. the point of my original post: maybe, just maybe, bush and the head neo-cons are not idiots, but rather crafty opportunists. now stop arguing with me over points i didn't make. i didn't say anything earth-shattering or right-winged.
ok then u have the same point as i do :lol:. he wasn't just wrong, he lied on purpose ...

[jola]

ok then u have the same point as i do :lol:. he wasn't just wrong, he lied on purpose ...
lol, good. i hope we can be friends now...even if i am an emo.

EDIT: no, i would not vote for curly.

[Savage_Messiah]

That's where you don't understand the situation. We can't leave Iraq until it has a stable enough gov't and armed forces. If we leave Iraq now, Iraq becomes Iran and that's not a good scenario.

I see that scenario happening no matter what their condition is when we pull out.

[NJSPEEDER]

uh, the taliban was the governing party in Afghanistan, and we beat the **** out of them.

and according to USA Today they are currently operating in 23 countries with agents in about 70 more.
you seem to be forgetting that the taliban is an extremist religious group, not a political party in one country.

[NJSPEEDER]

Oh that makes PERFECT sense, who cares about the one who actually planned out the attack that started this all??

do you think he wrote the whole elaborate plan out on a napkin and just handed it off to someone? no, he had a whole bunch of advisors and agents collecting and distributing information.
it prolly wasn't even his idea from teh start. he was just the one with the power to direct whoever coudl execute such a plan. that is how these things usually happen.

[Savage_Messiah]

Let's all go get our life lessons from USA today...

[Ian]

um, the group of terrorists that committed the 9/11 attacks were based and trained out of florida...LETS BOMB FLORIDA! :lol:

and so there is no confusion, they were not trained in a military sense, they simply took flying lessons.

[Tsar]

ehh florida is a waste anyways and if we bomb it, it would drop the property values down and i can buy cool stuff there