DON'T GO TO TTP FOR INSTALLS

[ar0ck]

I recently had a problem with my car over heating after trips lasting more then 30minutes of road time. At first I thought it was a random accurance since it was during our mini heat wave last week. I had the radiator flushed by a local Chevy dealership because the anti-freeze was **** brown in color. I thought the problem was fixed, and I continued to drive the car during the week. Well tonight I just came back from a quick trip around town and my car started to rise in temperature. I let it sit outside, and about an hour or two later I jumped back into my car only to see the temps instantly rise into the RED! Obviously something was seriously wrong, so I turned off the car and poped the hood open only to NOT hear my Meize electric water pump running at all. I had a problem with it once before and it turned out to be a faulty relay, so I started checking fuses to open up my fuse box to discover the most Ghetto Rigged wiring I have ever seen in my life. The main power lead off the pumps relay was just layed into a fuse area wedged in by a fuse! What happened was the wire wiggled loose losing contact within the fuse box causing the water pump not to come on.

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From left to right: Secondary Fuse, Fuse box and wires, Relay
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Fuse slot
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How the wire was layed into the slot frayed and dangeling
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END RESULT OF CRAPPY RADIATOR FLUID

As many of you already know I don't do alot of my own work on my car. This electric water pump was installed by TTPerformance in Clifton (a site sponsor). I did not leave there a satisfied customer the first time. I had nothing but problems, and I heard through a former employee that the car was rediculed for being an LT1 something they do not regularly work on. ("LTFun" was written in dust on my hood since the car sat there for well over a month)

I honestly don't know what else to say but to just stay away from these people, Ive heard alot of bad things and this just goes to show the quality they put into peoples car. I payed top dollar for this install only to find out how badly I was ripped off....

[GP99GT]

was your coolant the orange stuff, dexcool? if so, thats why its all ****** inside, not cause of ttp

[ar0ck]

was your coolant the orange stuff, dexcool? if so, thats why its all ****** inside, not cause of ttp

The entire system was just flushed on Friday by Hawthorne Chevy, It was probably Dexcool, but the point is it shouldn't have gotten to be any other color. Their faulty wiring caused my car to over heat on the road twice!

[WayFast84]

That sucks alex! hope you get it resolved!! I am also to say they take their sweat ol time for dynoday..

[Tsar]

ehh **** TTP i guess :shrug: i guess ill stick to my local shops, they've yet to mess up my car (well besides my windshiled)

ps ive actually sent a few pms to ttpmatt about doing some work but never got a reply, ehh oh well.

[project89]

wow man i cant say anything about the coolant,but holy **** that is horrrible,atleast u pay attention to ur gauges and caught it overheating before it did any damage

[Tsar]

ehh my coolant is normal orange color, no crap in it...

[89 Trans Am WS6]

The entire system was just flushed on Friday by Hawthorne Chevy, It was probably Dexcool, but the point is it shouldn't have gotten to be any other color. Their faulty wiring caused my car to over heat on the road twice!

unless someone put green antifreeze ina dexool car at one point in time. that will turn in mucky and brown in no time. and getting it flushed once by a shop..even if its on a machine isnt going to get all that out


The wiring part is just sad. Its amazing who people hire and trust to work on peoples cars. Id bring it up with TTP and make sure something is done about it. If not have the wiring done properly elsewhere and submit your bill to ttp, or take a trip to small claims court. ;x

[GP99GT]

if you leave dexcool in for a long time, it turns into brown **** too. my rad cap was covered in it, it was pretty gross. i flushed my radiator and i looked int he bucket afterwards, i could see little chunks of what looks like light mud floating in it

[Tsar]

um...i wonder if anyone from TTP is going to respond to this post...

[WayFast84]

Alex if they treated your lt1 like that, Id hate to see them work with tpi!

[ar0ck]

Alex if they treated your lt1 like that, Id hate to see them work with tpi!

They just won't work on it period, they will probably just ignore all request or calls, it took me over a month to get the ball rolling on getting work done to my own car even after I put down a deposit on parts. IMO thats bad buisness.

[Brando56894]

this just proves that 75% of the time its worth it to do the work yourself....

[Blackbirdws6]

Thats actually pretty surpising to hear from TTP. I had a spec clutch installed along with a new rear main seal. They were very courteous and professional in my experience. I certainly got the drift that they really don't like messing with the LT1's but everything went just fine with my install. Sucks you had a crappy experience.

-Brian

[bad64chevelle]

ehhh I wasnt impressed just on Dyno Day...sorry to hear alex.

[Mike]

i pm'ed them over a week ago (it was read the same day) about buying a 12bolt, a torque arm and getting the t56 rebuilt and another clutch/flywheel put in.......about 5k in work for them.... NO RESPONSE......

so i just ordered the torque arm and rear from somewhere else, and ill be doing the work myself... ill have to wait on the transmision

[enRo]

I guess this is why they specialized is LS1's? :shrug: Just my .02

[35thls1ss19]

i have not heard to many great things abotu them either... hence why i drive 2.5 hrs to get my car tuned by eastside :)

sorry to hear abotu that alex hope you get it working

[qwikz28]

i pm'ed them over a week ago (it was read the same day) about buying a 12bolt, a torque arm and getting the t56 rebuilt and another clutch/flywheel put in.......about 5k in work for them.... NO RESPONSE......

so i just ordered the torque arm and rear from somewhere else, and ill be doing the work myself... ill have to wait on the transmision
try t56rebuilds.com. i hear alot of good stuff about them

[JSPERFORMANCE]

hanlon motorsports is very good with t56 transmissions

[maroman88]

I guess this is why they specialized is LS1's? :shrug: Just my .02

even if thats true thats still no excuse for sloppy work, how they wired it like crap has nothing to do with it being an LT1, just plain ****** work

[Koll]

Christ.
Thats how I ghettorigged my System control (for my amp to turn on when my headunit does) in my olds.

[CJDZ24_Z28]

Well I have met Matt the owner of the shop 2 times. Very professional. I do know you are right about one thing TTP does specialize in LS1's. All my LT1 stuff i do myself because there arent to many shops left that specialize in LT1 performance anymore. I have only taken my LS1 there never had problems. Im sure if you let Matt know about everything you went thru he would prob try to correct it. Sorry this happened to you man

[Tru2Chevy]

Alex, have you talked to Matt or anyone else from TTP about this yet?

- Justin

[Savage_Messiah]

I guess this is why they specialized is LS1's? :shrug: Just my .02

read the post above yours...

[firehawk1120]

i have not heard to many great things abotu them either... hence why i drive 2.5 hrs to get my car tuned by eastside :)

sorry to hear abotu that alex hope you get it working


I second the long trip to Eastside up in Connecticut. Ken is awesome and they are very professional. They tell you up front the cost and the time it will take if there are any delays they call you immediately.

:)

[Bandit]

Sorry to hear what happened.. TTP has moved 2 or 3 times in the las year or so and I was not impressed when I saw there cars run at Etown this year.

They had great prices, but it seems they are as almost as much as Cartech now..

Finding a guy or Shop (a good one)that works on LT1's is almost impossible now.

For LS1 work I would bring it to Mikey in PA.

[NJSPEEDER]

have you contacted TTP about the install yet alex? with the number of staff member and location changes i would have to wonder who even worked on yoru car.
that is definately not the kind of work that i have seen TTP put out in the past. hope they haven't outgrown themselves.

[lastcall190]

HSW and EastSide seem to be two popular places now... I'll probably be going to the former in the springtime when I put the cam in. Sorry to hear about your plight, when I had my LT1 minus the header install (F THAT), I just did the work myself, everyplace dodged the question when I called about LT1 work :(

-J

[LS1KID]

Sucks to hear man, hope you can get everything resolved with TTP. I got dyno tuned in June on their dynoday. The only complaint I had was that they reeeeally took their time. There were 8-10 cars that day, and each car had a reserved time slot. I had a 4-5pm slot and didnt get on the dyno until 8:00 pm. :hammer: But in TTPs defense, my friends car was having issues while he was on the dyno and he took a little over 2hrs which pushed everyone back a bit. Matt took some $$ off the bill for having to wait and said that he'd install my lcas for free when I get my sfcs installed. (If I get them installed there) But other than that, Matt and the others seemed very professional and an all around good group of guys.

[su_maverick]

They seem like really nice guys but yes, they do seem to take their time. As for quality, I wont know until they are done assembling my heads.

[WayFast84]

Yeah there dyno day was slow as hell, and the dyno was garbage too

[Tru2Chevy]

Yeah there dyno day was slow as hell, and the dyno was garbage too

Why would you say a thing like that?

The dyno day went slow only because one of the employees accidently cut the wire that runs to their spark pickup. So instead of apologizing to everyone and sending us home, they layed under most of the cars remaining to pick up RPMs the old fashioned way.

As far as saying their dyno sucks, try telling that to all the other hundreds of shops that use the exact same dyno....

- Justin

[Savage_Messiah]

yea matt it wasn't the dyno's fault that my beast brke it

[qwikz28]

Yeah there dyno day was slow as hell, and the dyno was garbage too
my car did 330/350 on it. its fine by me!

[TTPMatt]

It's real nice that this was brought to my attention, of course not, it was brought to the message boards first.

If you brought this to my attention first, left in the condition it was in, I would have picked up the car in my enclosed trailer, fixed the wiring, and taken care of you.

WayFast: Why is my dyno garbage? Yes my dyno days are slow, but you have to admit the service we provide (Food, drinks, etc.) is nice.

[ar0ck]

I found this problem on a Friday night, and ran into much more serious problesm the following day. I have no time to call and I fixed it myself.

[camaroAL]

I GOTTA SAY EVEN IF THEY SPECIALIZE IN LS1s, WIRING A WATER PUMP LIKE THAT, YOU GOTTA BE A BUTCHER!

[maroman88]

It's real nice that this was brought to my attention, of course not, it was brought to the message boards first. I am not sure of which mechanic worked on the car to do the wiring at this point, we have since hired/fired a few different guys.

If you brought this to my attention first, left in the condition it was in, I would have picked up the car in my enclosed trailer, fixed the wiring, and taken care of you.

WayFast: Why is my dyno garbage? Yes my dyno days are slow, but you have to admit the service we provide (Food, drinks, etc.) is nice.

thats it?

i believe alex's camaro is his daily driver, right? if he had another car and had the time to call and wait for you to fix it, it would be a different story. but being a DD wtf is he supposed to do in the meantime. rememberse him some money or atleast fix it the right way...

[j0n]

i gotta agree with ttpmatt here. when you have a problem with a service you were provided you MUST contact the company that provided that service asap. ALSO, putting the problem in front of potential customers without actually contacting the shop to see what their course of action was is a total dick move. unfortunately every shop makes mistakes, since humans are not perfect people...the only thing seperating the good shops from the bad imo is their service after mistakes are discovered

[NJLT1SS]

I still don't see what's the problem with working on LT1's for some shops. They can be made to run with LS1's, and have lots of performance potential. I guess some shops will only work on "easy" cars to get power out of, and aren't up to doing a little homework to get a car to run. They laughed at someone's car because it was an LT1? I would have pulled my car right the hell out of there, and wouldn't even bring it back to have my tire pressures checked. There are a few shops that will do performance work to LT1's, you just gotta look. I would go check out Stage 1 in Pompton Plains, and ask for Rob, the owner. They do LOTS of Buick GN stuff, LS1's, LT1's, Mustangs, older musclecars, and everything in between, no imports though. He did the gears in my 12 bolt when I did the 4.10's, his work is excellent! I do 98% of my own work, and trust almost no one to work on my car, but if I ever do need anything done, I go to Stage 1, hands down. Do your homework when taking your car to a shop to have work done, check out their facility BEFORE having them do anything! Yes, I did check out TTP, but I will still be going to Stage 1.

[LS1Hawk]

Everyone complains about LT1s being tough to work on, but the LS1 is no picnic either just by how it's crammed under the hood. When I was changing the lid on my car, just removing the MAF my back was killing me. And backyard things that you should be able to do on any car, like changing spark plugs, I can't imagine the work involved just to get at them. You'd either have to remove a lot crap, or take the engine out.

[TTPMatt]

rememberse him some money or atleast fix it the right way...

I never knew about the problem. If he had called me I would have picked the car up and fixed it. I know the mechanic that did the wiring and I find it VERY hard to believe that the wiring looked like that. Nick just doesnt throw things into a fuse panel like that. Anyone that has had something wired with us knows how clean our installations are.

At this point I cant do anything but offer you a discounted installation on something further.

[su_maverick]

I agree that you should always leave it up to the shop to fix anything they did first before bringing a problem into the open. I have had problems with shops in the past and usually they will always help you out if something got screwed up. Just give them the chance to make it right before bashing them.

[BonzoHansen]

i gotta agree with ttpmatt here. when you have a problem with a service you were provided you MUST contact the company that provided that service asap. ALSO, putting the problem in front of potential customers without actually contacting the shop to see what their course of action was is a total dick move. unfortunately every shop makes mistakes, since humans are not perfect people...the only thing seperating the good shops from the bad imo is their service after mistakes are discovered

As a former shop guy, I totally agree. Thing happen (even bad). The shop should have gotten a call and an opportunity to make good. It is the adult way to handle things.

[jims69camaro]

i gotta agree with ttpmatt here. when you have a problem with a service you were provided you MUST contact the company that provided that service asap. ALSO, putting the problem in front of potential customers without actually contacting the shop to see what their course of action was is a total dick move. unfortunately every shop makes mistakes, since humans are not perfect people...the only thing seperating the good shops from the bad imo is their service after mistakes are discovered

hell just froze over.

this is the correct advice. no ifs, ands or buts.

if you have a problem with someone and they FAIL TO FIX the problem, then bring it to the message boards. doing otherwise leads people to the wrong conclusion about what is probably a reputable company who had one service-tech who did the wrong thing. can't hold a whole company at fault for the work of one tech. now, if matt did the work... (which doesn't appear to be the case).

[qwikz28]

I never knew about the problem. If he had called me I would have picked the car up and fixed it. I know the mechanic that did the wiring and I find it VERY hard to believe that the wiring looked like that. Nick just doesnt throw things into a fuse panel like that. Anyone that has had something wired with us knows how clean our installations are.

At this point I cant do anything but offer you a discounted installation on something further.
just to play devils advocate, Alex wasn't content with his first visit to TTP. this is probably what triggered his feelings torwards finding a mistake in his second visit. Alex is a great guy and i'm sure he was more frustrated then angry. you ever hear that saying: "when it rains, it pours?"

on the contrary its very nice of you Matt to offer help after all this... cant we all just get along?

[TTPMatt]

I was never made aware of his discontent on the first visit. If I was I would have made it up to him, all of my customers know that. Its just very weird to me that these things are brought up months after the fact, something seems fishy...

[Pampered-Z]

It won't be right for me to comment on work because I haven’t had any done there, but I can comment on their ethics! I will say that the way Matt treated me concerning missing my dyno day was great! I missed the actual club dyno day due to a snow storm in my area. When I contacted Matt and asked how much more it would cost to bring the car down he offered me a dyno another day at no extra charge! Then when we did the dyno I had issues with a very rich tune and a major oil leak! Matt took time to go over my readings from the dyno as well as offered to work on the leak so I could do more pulls. I had gotten the info I needed from the dyno so I just called it a day. But I certainly got treated properly!

PS, Wayfast, how many dyno days have you attended and where??? I've been to a few different dynos and there is absolutely nothing wrong with TTP's. I'd rather wait a few hours overall and have my pulls spread out a few minutes then have three quick pulls on a heat soaked engine!

[98tadriver]

i pm'ed them over a week ago (it was read the same day) about buying a 12bolt, a torque arm and getting the t56 rebuilt and another clutch/flywheel put in.......about 5k in work for them.... NO RESPONSE......

so i just ordered the torque arm and rear from somewhere else, and ill be doing the work myself... ill have to wait on the transmision


are from hamilton as in near the hamilton mall or are you up north?

If you need some help with putting your rear and your other parts in, lemme know. between my 3rd and 4th gen, ive put like 4 or 5 rears in so far. :nod:

[V]

interesting, I havent really heard many complaints about TTP, but i guess youll have a few for any shop no matter what. however in TTPs defense, perhaps that wire was put there temporarily to test it when they installed it and then it was buttoned up like that unintentionally.

When i was there for dyno day, they seemed proffesional and very eager to please us. I even planned on buying a cam from them and having them install it, but i just happened to find a sweet deal elsewhere and i saved myself the install cost by doing it myself. But if i ever need work done, i would very much still consider talkign it there over any other place in the area. I also feel that if informed right away before making this whole thing public, Matt would have done the right thing and solved the problem sicne he is a true car guy(my friend knew him when he had a 57 chevy) and not just a "shop owner".

[Slow 88]

i gotta agree with ttpmatt here. when you have a problem with a service you were provided you MUST contact the company that provided that service asap. ALSO, putting the problem in front of potential customers without actually contacting the shop to see what their course of action was is a total dick move. unfortunately every shop makes mistakes, since humans are not perfect people...the only thing seperating the good shops from the bad imo is their service after mistakes are discovered

Why should he he even bother calling him about the wiring? Because that wiring job is not what I call professional!! Also, no disrespect to ttpmatt but that should have NEVER left the shop looking like that in the first place...Wow!! You were going to pick it up in an enclosed trailor shheww that makes it better why don't you give him a partial refund or some dyno time to make good on it... my .02 cents

[j0n]

hell just froze over.

this is the correct advice. no ifs, ands or buts.

:lol: i do have a couple iq points hiding somewhere upstairs

[Firebird67dude]

I recently had a problem with my car over heating after trips lasting more then 30minutes of road time.

Seems to me that it is a recent problem that spanned a couple of days which happened to be a good amount of time after the work was done. So a quick return call on it oviously wouldnt of happened. I cant say much about TTP due to the fact that i have never had work done there.

[TTPMatt]

Guys, anyone wants quotes, etc. throw us a call. I'll be honest its hard for me to check every board all the time. If you want a response 973-365-2270. I'm here to please everyone, but I also do all the tuning, towing, and work in the shop myself. I do apologize about delayed responses but give me a call. Also, I usually keep the computer idle on ls1tech so I see PMs there. Not trying to take away from this great msg board, but Ill be honest :)

[BonzoHansen]

I don’t know TTP from STP, but the problem many of us see here is the attack on a shop (and site sponsor) without even giving the shop a chance to make good. If a ‘what’s wrong’ thread had been posted and it led back to TTP, or he got stuck and had another place fix it, and if TTP blew him off after he called, then fine. But a thread titled ‘Don’t go to TTP’ is rather inflammatory and without merit. JMO.

I was thinking about this at lunch. Remember this thread when you try to get regular auto service places (a dealer, STS, Goodyear, Sears, the corner garage, etc.) to do out of the norm stuff and they say ‘sorry, we don’t do that kind of stuff’. And why shops that do tailor to specialties should get every dollar they can. Because the aggravation-to-profit ratio for work like this is often way to out of whack.

[2MCHPWR]

i hope it works out. matt is a good guy

[WayFast84]

Im sorry Matt, It's easy for me to say such hard things when I payed for a dyno spot and had to give it away for free, and then freese my balls off for 4 hours waiting for my ride to get finished dynoing. So sorry, no hard feelings?

[jims69camaro]

:lol: i do have a couple iq points hiding somewhere upstairs

i knew you'd get the joke... :mrgreen: