cam suggestion

[project89]

hey im selling a motor to wayfast,i got him all the part numbers for everything,but i cant figure out which cam to have him get
motor specs are
350 4 bolt main .030 over
hyperectic flattop pistions .030 over 9.73-1 cr
bowtie raised port heads - fully ported 2.02/1.60 stainless manley valves,comp locks retianer springs,1.5 ratio rockers
port matched victor jr intake 2,500-8k range
holley 750 dp
110gph fp
with that intake hell have to spin that motor up pretty high
so i gave him a choice of these 3 cams
voodo 227/233@.050 489/504 int/ex LUN-60103LK 1,800 to 6,200 rpms
voodo 241/249 .525/546 int/ex lun-60105lk 2000-6,800 rpms
edelbrock 232/234 .488/.488 int/ex edl-5002
what ya think,come up with a better cam choice?
btw they are hydralic cams

[GP99GT]

i like pie

[Teds89IROC]

Flomax

~Ted

[qwikz28]

:popcorn:

[project89]

yeah u guys are helpfull :rofl:

[NJSPEEDER]

voodoodoo or edelbroke. hard to say which is actually worse.

[BigAls87Z28]

I got a left over LB9 cam, that should be more then enough for Wayfast since the most bad-ass ride he has ever driven is a Huffy 21 speed.

[Savage_Messiah]

stock cam out of a 4.3 :lol:

[BigAls87Z28]

How about a camless engine? Coates Engines in Wall, NJ makes a cyl head with rotating spheres. Or covert to a 48v set up, and do the camless engine, like F1!!!

[PBodyGT87]

Who needs Edelbrock when you can just put an Ace-of-Spades in the spokes there?!
TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICKTICKTICKTICKTICKTICKTICK

Now, some of you may prefer the flap of a baseball card, but, that's understandable... :lol:

[WayFast84]

:nono: :ban:

I really Need serious information so I can order the parts!

[angin52]

hi, comp cam has a great feature on their site, you tell what you got and what ya want to do with it and they will suggest a cam. worked for me!!!

[PBodyGT87]

hi, comp cam has a great feature on their site, you tell what you got and what ya want to do with it and they will suggest a cam. worked for me!!!


there you go matt, easy. nice advice angin!

[WayFast84]

Yeah i was also filling out the same thing on summits website, but its asking me all sorts of questions I have no clue about lol

[PBodyGT87]

Yeah i was also filling out the same thing on summits website, but its asking me all sorts of questions I have no clue about lol

Dave gave you all of the engine specs, what else do you need?

[WayFast84]

I know I put them in and it gets even more specific like carb secondarys and all sorts a ****.

[Mike]

i put the over under on wrecking this car at 3 months after receiving your lisence.

[Tsar]

Flomax

~Ted
:werd:

[jrsfast84]

What trans. and converter,and gears are you using, i have some ideas but need more info. JR1.

[WayFast84]

700r4

I will be using stock converter and gears for a few months probably wont even get 10 miles on the motor till I get the rear,gears and t/c

[Savage_Messiah]

you have 2 years

[jrsfast84]

Well, i got a B & M holeshot 2400 stall converter, i have to check part #, and as far as a cam, not sure, what springs are on the heads, are they good up till 550 lift. JR1.

[NJSPEEDER]

if you build motors and you can't pick out a cam and don't know where to look for appropriate cam spec/application references, i can't see how this thing can be expected to stay together or make any power.

[Tsar]

if you build motors and you can't pick out a cam and don't know where to look for appropriate cam spec/application references, i can't see how this thing can be expected to stay together or make any power.
its for wayfast, it doesnt have to stay together or make any power. when it falls apart you can blame it on the old age.

[NJSPEEDER]

this isn't a joke vitals, i am serious.
there is no way i woudl trust someone to put together a motor if their only frame of reference for cam choices was the summit catalog.

[BigAls87Z28]

this isn't a joke vitals, i am serious.
there is no way i woudl trust someone to put together a motor if their only frame of reference for cam choices was the summit catalog.

I could go somewhere with this....but I wont.

[Rob WS6]

This is one big mismatchfest waiting to happen. First off, why are you using a victor jr. on this motor? Is there a reason you want the powerband to be higher than those heads can breathe? Secondly, your going to throw a tiny cam in there... again mismatch. Why raised port heads? This kid doesent need a 10 second NA motor that is useless on the street.

Dont put all this crap on a motor just because thats what you have available... its a waste.

How about this... put a NORMAL dual plane or airgap on it. Do you REALLY think a hydraulic cam is going to spin to 8gs? Or a stock bottom end? No way in hell.

Pick a normal intake and heads, a nice streetable cam something around the 224-240 range. Keep the RPM range no higher than 5500. Throwing a bunch of parts together is no way to build an engine... and is just asking for disaster.

[Teds89IROC]

Now I'm moving to the backseat... :popcorn:

~Ted

[BigAls87Z28]

Just build a standard 350 engine. Enjoy it now, then as he goes on, he can build it up as he wants, and has a strong base to do so.

[qwikz28]

i think the victor jr is overkill. its probably gonna be his street car so why not get the car to make good power down low with a smaller cam so he can do better on gas and not get his ass in trouble?

[WayFast84]

im confused as hell.

I everyone else said the combo was good cept the cam, wich is why we are looking for a new cam.

The heads/intake/carb came off his uncles 355 that ran low 11's high tens smaller cam, and alot lower compression.

Its a little more then I was told it would be about, But I just want it to be done right!

[project89]

wayfast u got that backwards more compression and more cam then the big lunati,

the springs are good for .650 ish lift
and rob the manifold is being used cause it is what fits the heads,those heads are not standard port heads.they are raised port heads and require a matching manifold.
i toned the motor down a bit to be more street freindly for him,but its gonna be hard with that initake,regardless of anything he is still gonna need 4.10+ gears,and atleast a 3k converter
bottom end is good for 500 hp,noone said it was a stock bottom end.

i have the right cam for the engine the one that belongs with this setup,but it is way to much of a cam fo rsomething that will see street driving.

[WayFast84]

I meaned that yo.

Im just sick right now, I got the biggest head ache ever and feel like im gonna puke and listining to disturbed wich isnt helping

[NJSPEEDER]

what the bottom end is good for doesn't help when you are talking about putting a miniture cam into a motor that has a top end design to spin to 7K+ rpm.
the way these components listed match up you would end up with a motor that is dead off the break and then starts to pull right befor ehe would have to shift it cause it is running out of cam.
get some smaller heads and a common dual plain intake and have a healthy street motor. raised runner bow ties and a Vjr. are only useful if he can afford to spin the motor.

[1QWIKBIRD]

I meaned that yo.

Im just sick right now, I got the biggest head ache ever and feel like im gonna puke and listining to disturbed wich isnt helping

heres what you need...seriously.....price it out at your local dealer, then check scoggin-dickey in texas......pic is attached

12499711
Engine - Turn Key Engine Kit 350 Ho
A 350 that?s been stepped up in power. You won?t go broke finishing off your project car with our 350 HO Turn-Key crate engine! It?s packed with all the features you need to get a reliable 330 horsepower and 380 lb.-ft. of torque

Do you even know what raised port heads, a victor jr intake are?? that is full on race gear. It has no place on a daily driven car, especially not your first car. I'm not saying the deal is bad, but the combo ain't right for your situation. I'd put money on it that your stock hood wouldn't even shut with that intake, carb and air cleaner (let alone if you put a space under the carb) and what carb is gonna be put on that motor? That is a recipe for disaster. Not taking shots at the offer, but that motor ain't for you.

Chris

[1QWIKBIRD]

wayfast u got that backwards more compression and more cam then the big lunati,

the springs are good for .650 ish lift
and rob the manifold is being used cause it is what fits the heads,those heads are not standard port heads.they are raised port heads and require a matching manifold.
i toned the motor down a bit to be more street freindly for him,but its gonna be hard with that initake,regardless of anything he is still gonna need 4.10+ gears,and atleast a 3k converter
bottom end is good for 500 hp,noone said it was a stock bottom end.

i have the right cam for the engine the one that belongs with this setup,but it is way to much of a cam fo rsomething that will see street driving.


That's the problem with the set up, it ain't ment for a daily driven car, no matter how sweet the deal is....putting a smaller cam in it would be like putting a band aid on a shot gun wound....short lived temporary fix. It just way more than the kid needs or can handle.

Chris

[j0n]

hahahahaha dave cheppelle just said back the **** up...i agree

[The Fixer]

12499711
Engine - Turn Key Engine Kit 350 Ho
A 350 that?s been stepped up in power. You won?t go broke finishing off your project car with our 350 HO Turn-Key crate engine! It?s packed with all the features you need to get a reliable 330 horsepower and 380 lb.-ft. of torque


And even this will make a 17-year old inexperienced driver wet his pants the first time he nails the throttle and the car gets sideways.

My opinion (right or wrong, I don't care) is that you should drive a 200hp crapbox for a year and get experience behind the wheel, then move on.

[WayFast84]

Once again the car will not be my daily driver.

Its going to be a drive to the track drive home car.

[project89]

like he just said i was told this thing wont be a daily driver,just to and from the track.the first cam i gave him as an optin will stil spin to 7k,the secon i sslightly lower,im just gonna put the right roller cam in the motor,hes just gonna need a higher stall converter.

[WayFast84]

and second of all, how the **** do you know what I can handle?

Just because I dont have a liscence doesnt mean ****.

Just remember here, ive been through more **** at 15 then some of you together.

I first drove an fbody at 13. doing wheelies on tractors at 12. and dirtbikes at 12.

I might not have experience with this high horsepower of a car. but I know that i wont be as ****ing stupid as the ******* who weaves in and out of cars,street races or even tailgate..

[Tsar]

:popcorn:

[1QWIKBIRD]

like he just said i was told this thing wont be a daily driver,just to and from the track.the first cam i gave him as an optin will stil spin to 7k,the secon i sslightly lower,im just gonna put the right roller cam in the motor,hes just gonna need a higher stall converter.

if its a track car, then stab the cam in there that makes the rest of the combo go, tell him (wayfast) to take his skirt off and buck the F$%^ up with the right converter and gear, get a truck and a trailer and go racing. Send him on his way.....now my head hurts....

No cam is gonna maximize the combo yet still have nice street manners and spin to 7K +++ ain't gonna happen....

I'm still convinced wayfast doesn't know what he wants let alone what he actually needs....as a result he is doomed to be woefully dissappointed either in output or in driveability or maintenance requirements or just operating costs.....what kind fuel requirements does this motor have when its set on "kill"? could he limp it around on 93. Is wayfast capable of playing with the timing to accomplish this?? or is he going to detonate the the thing to death??? Roller cam (solid lifter I assume), is he willing/able to check valve springs and lifters periodically, how about adjusting valves?

Build him the short block and put a standard 23 deg. head on the thing with a reasonable intake/carb/cam and let him cut his teeth and learn as he goes. Why try to hit the home run with first swing of the bat?

I'm not trying to be a prick, this just doesn't sound like everyone is on the same page and that means you wayfast. You need to do some reading, listening and learning, go to E-town or island or atco and see what guys are running and how fast they go. Look at their combos, and you will see what I'm talking about. I'm not say not to do it, but you had better be fully aware of what kind of motor you are looking at. It will require maintenance, tuning, $$$, respect (while your driving it) a suspension and chassis capable of harnessing big power. If the motor was really going low 11's / high 10's (I don't doubt it was) your car will need a roll bar, maybe a cage, got one? What kinda rear ya got stock 7.5 10-bolt (or whatever came stock in a third gen)? That will last maybe 5-10 runs (if the suspension hooks) with sticky tires before it totally ****s the bed? Are you up for it?? Only you know.

Good luck guys.....and most importantly have fun....

Chris

[1QWIKBIRD]

and second of all, how the **** do you know what I can handle?

Just because I dont have a liscence doesnt mean ****.

...clip...

I first drove an fbody at 13. doing wheelies on tractors at 12. and dirtbikes at 12.



the behavior you just described above is exactly the kind of behavior that will get you in trouble with a 10 or 11 sec ride....end of story.

.....go for it dude....and remember have fun:D


Chris

[WayFast84]

I dont want a track only car, thats sorta useless to me. I want something I can take to a car show and a race in the same week end, and depending on the weather to work the next day you know?

I want a streetable car. that is reliable.

[WayFast84]

the behavior you just described above is exactly the kind of behavior that will get you in trouble with a 10 or 11 sec ride....end of story.

.....go for it dude....and remember have fun:D


Chris
:scratch:

nah thats why I wont be like that on the street, I know my limits now, Ive been through hell on holloween:lol:

[NJSPEEDER]

and second of all, how the **** do you know what I can handle?

your lack of knowledge really points towards what you can or can't handle. if you don't know what an 11/10second combination is, how can you possibly have any idea how to handle it?
you seem to be forgetting the fact that in a powerful car you don't have to act like a jackass or even make a big mistake to get yourself in trouble.
when you drove your first car, rode a dirt bike, or figured out how to do a wheelie on a lawn tractor doesn't mean dick when you get caught out by bad weather or bad roads.
i also don't care what else you have been through in life, that doesn't have anything to do with driving anyway.

[NJSPEEDER]

I want a streetable car. that is reliable.

such a poorly matched combo won't leave you with much of either.

[qwikz28]

and second of all, how the **** do you know what I can handle?

Just because I dont have a liscence doesnt mean ****.

Just remember here, ive been through more **** at 15 then some of you together.

I first drove an fbody at 13. doing wheelies on tractors at 12. and dirtbikes at 12.

I might not have experience with this high horsepower of a car. but I know that i wont be as ****ing stupid as the ******* who weaves in and out of cars,street races or even tailgate..
confidence is the worst thing to have with a fast car, especially with 0 experience. i got my ls1 a month after i started driving, i had respect for that car and took it very easy until i learned it. i can now do what i can because i have owned the car for more then 4 years and the car now has 56k on it.

its very similar to an old adage my father once told me: "the smartest man, is the one who thinks he's stupid." if you think you know it all, how are you gonna learn? your gonna have all the time in the world to get your car to go fast, dont rush it.

[Tsar]

confidence is the worst thing to have with a fast car, especially with 0 experience. i got my ls1 a month after i started driving, i had respect for that car and took it very easy until i learned it. i can now do what i can because i have owned the car for more then 4 years and the car now has 56k on it.

its very similar to an old adage my father once told me: "the smartest man, is the one who thinks he's stupid." if you think you know it all, how are you gonna learn? your gonna have all the time in the world to get your car to go fast, dont rush it.
confidence is absolutely the best thing in the world. i think you're confusing it with overconfidence/cockyness/arrogance. Confidence is what separates men from losers, its a must have, newb.

[The Fixer]

and second of all, how the **** do you know what I can handle?

Just because I dont have a liscence doesnt mean ****.

Just remember here, ive been through more **** at 15 then some of you together.

I first drove an fbody at 13. doing wheelies on tractors at 12. and dirtbikes at 12.



Easy tough guy, no need to curse at me. I'm 32 years old and don't really need that kinda crap; my own students give me enough to deal with. You asked for an opinion, and I gave it.

It doesn't matter if you drove an F-body at 13 (way to go, illegal!). If you got cought, you can kiss getting your license goodbye for another few years beyond 18. The fact remains, you drove a deadly 150-hp LG4 home, and around your block, not a 450hp track car! It doesn't matter if you say you'll drive carefully. If you nail it on the street with that much power, crazy stuff will happen. And wheelies on a tractor is nothing compared to hanging the wheels on the track.

I give you props for having the cojones to disassemble the car and learn how stuff works but you really need to figure out what this car is going to do for you. The terms "big horsepower" and "streetable" do not belong in the same sentence. Sure, you can drive a 450hp car to your job, with a nice 4K rpm stall converter and 4.10s, get 2mpg, and sweat to death 'cause it won't have air conditioning, or you can build something a little more tame and learn as you go.

[WayFast84]

confidence is absolutely the best thing in the world. i think you're confusing it with overconfidence/cockyness/arrogance. Confidence is what separates men from losers, its a must have, newb.
:werd:

thats what I mean, I am in know way saying that I can handle a 450 hp car.

But Im saying I know how to respect a 450 hp car. :lol:

tpi monte ss:

I wasnt refering to you

[Tsar]

:werd:

thats what I mean, I am in know way saying that I can handle a 450 hp car.

But Im saying I know how to respect a 450 hp car. :lol:

tpi monte ss:

I wasnt refering to you
um..i wasnt agreeing with you, i was just trying to tell jake that he's confusing confidence with overconfidence. i wouldn't let you drive my lawnmower :lol:

[WayFast84]

I know.

But I said that because, Im not saying I can handle a 450 hp car, but Im saying Id treat it with the utmost respect and wont get cocky..

[qwikz28]

confidence is absolutely the best thing in the world. i think you're confusing it with overconfidence/cockyness/arrogance. Confidence is what separates men from losers, its a must have, newb.
thats what i meant, but i couldnt find the word. arrogance was the word i was going for

[Tru2Chevy]

Well, if streetable and reliable are your goals, then you need to decide on a different head and intake setup than the one that you are thinking of now. That will pretty much never be found on a streetable motor.

Vortec heads, RPM Airgap manifold, and mild cam. And that would prolly still be "too much" motor for a 17 year old.....

- Justin

[GP99GT]

confidence is absolutely the best thing in the world. i think you're confusing it with overconfidence/cockyness/arrogance. Confidence is what separates men from losers, its a must have, newb.

in soviet russia, confidence has you!

[jrsfast84]

hey im selling a motor to wayfast,i got him all the part numbers for everything,but i cant figure out which cam to have him get
motor specs are
350 4 bolt main .030 over
hyperectic flattop pistions .030 over 9.73-1 cr
bowtie raised port heads - fully ported 2.02/1.60 stainless manley valves,comp locks retianer springs,1.5 ratio rockers
port matched victor jr intake 2,500-8k range
holley 750 dp
110gph fp
with that intake hell have to spin that motor up pretty high
so i gave him a choice of these 3 cams
voodo 227/233@.050 489/504 int/ex LUN-60103LK 1,800 to 6,200 rpms
voodo 241/249 .525/546 int/ex lun-60105lk 2000-6,800 rpms
edelbrock 232/234 .488/.488 int/ex edl-5002
what ya think,come up with a better cam choice?
btw they are hydralic camsDid you sell it to him yet, It seems like putting a good combo together when picking a cam is not hard to do if i would know the combo, like how much are the heads ported, were they flowed,plus when you pick a cam out you just can't throw it ac am in and expect it to work, are the spring rates ok, spring heights play a big factor, i'd like to help, if he wants a stock motor with a cam and intake,some compression, i could do that,if he's buying your motor i could help him, i think with the right cam, i don't see why it should go 12's or quicker, well let me know. JR1.

[Savage_Messiah]

JR, keep in midn this is going into a kid's first car, he's 15 now and the car's gonna be sitting 2 years before he even has his license

[radialtireking]

Well, if streetable and reliable are your goals, then you need to decide on a different head and intake setup than the one that you are thinking of now. That will pretty much never be found on a streetable motor.

Vortec heads, RPM Airgap manifold, and mild cam. And that would prolly still be "too much" motor for a 17 year old.....

- Justin
Well said Justin!

[WayFast84]

ok lets put my age and expeirence aside..

I need a combo.

I dont want to spend money now and then money later to go faster.

I want it done the first time. ill state again My car wont be a daily driver

[Tru2Chevy]

I don't care if it will be a daily driver, or it will be on a trailer on it's way to the track. I still say that is too much motor for a person with your driving experience to handle. I won't put that information aside, because there's always a chance that I could be the first person that you are lined up against at the track.

When I was 17, I had an '85 Camaro with a 2.8. I got in enough trouble with 135 horsepower. I would hate to see a 17 year old driving a car with this motor you are planning on buying anywhere, street, track, driveway, etc.

- Justin

[Batman]

I think you either need a less racy top end or amore racy bottom end. Track car or not with that intake and those heads your bottom end won't be able to spin fast enough to really use it. I'd either buy a drop in crate engine or do up that 350 with vortec or fast burn heads and an RPM air gap manifold and maybe something like an LT4 hot cam. One of my friends has a ZZ4 shortblock with fastburn heads and LT4 cam running through a TBI and it is making about 390 to the wheels. That is alot of engine for any inexperienced driver (old or young) but would be infinately better for you then what you are planning.

[NJSPEEDER]

if you want it done right the first time, rule #1 is that the cheapest way ain't gonna be the best way to buy a motor.
you are dealing with used parts top and bottom end. freshened or not, they have still seen whatever rpm how many times. that is service life that is already beaten out of the hard parts.
there is also the issue that you don't have a single part on the car that can withstand or hook the kind of power the top end of that motor is capable of producing.
keep it simple, 350HO, performerRPM or similar intake, 750DP carb, and a good fuel pump. it is strong, reliable, and easily capable of putting your car into the 12's. when the time comes to go a bit faster, the answer is a quick cam swap away.

[BonzoHansen]

Less talk, more listen, young man. These guys know more about engines then you (and probably me). But my experience has always been guys go with too much cam and/or too much carb.

[project89]

its a fresh bottom end,all new ****.and the heads have brand new springs/valves
and i found a solution to the intake/cam problem.
after much calling around to some of our friends shops today i located a dual plane street/strip manifold that fits the raised port heads.range of 1,500-6,500 rpms.so u can use a more street friendly cam

btw the new intake wont cost u anything,im getting it on a trade for the victor jr for u.

[project89]

Did you sell it to him yet, It seems like putting a good combo together when picking a cam is not hard to do if i would know the combo, like how much are the heads ported, were they flowed,plus when you pick a cam out you just can't throw it ac am in and expect it to work, are the spring rates ok, spring heights play a big factor, i'd like to help, if he wants a stock motor with a cam and intake,some compression, i could do that,if he's buying your motor i could help him, i think with the right cam, i don't see why it should go 12's or quicker, well let me know. JR1.
i dont have the flow sheets offhand but i can get them,the springs are good for .650 lift .I have the correct roller cam for the combo but he deff wont be able to use that.And now that i found him a streetable manifold,he wont need a real wild cam,so ill just have him buy a camkit that comes with the right springs,cause i already know the springs on the heads wont be of any use with the smaller cam

[NJSPEEDER]

so now you wanna put a performer RPM style intake on a set of heads that are ported to flow past 7000 rpm?