need some opinions!!

[oh one ls1 SS]

my warranty's up in 6K miles and i think its time to step up the power of my bitch.. im inbetween procharger and a head n cam package. im not sure of what head n cam package becase well.. i dont know to much about them haha.. any input on which package to get? it needs to be tame enough to be daily driven but still have the balls to get up and go!! what are the pro's and con's for either? what do i have to change/upgrade for either? aaaaa im sure ill come up with more questions later but thats all i can think of for now. thanks in advnace!!

[Savage_Messiah]

h/c!!

[oh one ls1 SS]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LS6-LS2-Heads-243-Gaskets-Bolts-Cam-New-L-K-LS1-ZO6_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33617QQihZ017QQitem Z270041790595QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#ebayphotohost ing

just found this- is it any good?

[oh one ls1 SS]

http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=667&catid=20

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[foff667]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/LS6-LS2-Heads-243-Gaskets-Bolts-Cam-New-L-K-LS1-ZO6_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33617QQihZ017QQitem Z270041790595QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW#ebayphotohost ing

just found this- is it any good?

-no..its an ls6 package apparently which is good for another 30hp to the wheels or so.

[foff667]

http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item.asp?itemid=667&catid=20

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much better...there are some ls1 guys making big power with those heads. Now time to pick out a cam to go with those. What are your power goals? Drivability goals?

[Tru2Chevy]

much better...there are some ls1 guys making big power with those heads. Now time to pick out a cam to go with those. What are your power goals? Drivability goals?

See first post: it needs to be tame enough to be daily driven but still have the balls to get up and go!!

- Justin

[foff667]

then think about something tame & under 230 duration especially if an auto...if an auto you'll also need a converter in almost any case.

[qwikz28]

his car is a manual. theres a nice TR228 cam that i always thought had nice specs.

[oh one ls1 SS]

TR224/224-114 Thunder Racing Custom Camshaft - 224/224 .563/.563 114 LSA 1700-6600 RPM Power Band. Excellent mid-range & high RPM power.

is that a good cam for those heads? also is there anything else that i could upgrade/change is swaping the heads n cam out?

[NJSPEEDER]

just put an STS turbo kit on it, have foff tune it and enjoy. :)
turbo boost means you get all the performance without having to sacrifice any drivability or gas mileage. it is the best of both worlds. it will also leave you with plenty of room to grow because you will still benefit from all of the other common bolt on upgrades. :)

[oh one ls1 SS]

haha..ide love to get the twin turbo set up i saw on a white TA but yea.. it was like 15K. i dont know if i like the rear mount turbo to cuz ide want to have the rumble and i couldnt be able to fave it cuz ide need to close up my exhaust... decisions decisions

[Tsar]

haha..ide love to get the twin turbo set up i saw on a white TA but yea.. it was like 15K. i dont know if i like the rear mount turbo to cuz ide want to have the rumble and i couldnt be able to fave it cuz ide need to close up my exhaust... decisions decisions
not twin turbo. just a single. and its 4k http://ststurbo.com/ls1

[oh one ls1 SS]

i saw a twin turbo set up on a TA once.. front mount turbos. i tryed to find the video but couldnt. i dont really like the set up of the sts because ide be afraid that if i hit a pothole or speedbump i'll take it off and say bye bye to 4K.

[NJSPEEDER]

for you to hit a hole or anything else that is large/high enough to take the turbo off, you will have also removed half your floor pan, your rear, rocker panels, back bumper beam and cover, and anything else you can think of.
the turbo actually sits higher than the stock muffler location jsut in front of the hatch well.

[oh one ls1 SS]

didnt someone on this board have it and blew the oil feed/return line and fried the turbo? i think his name was JR.. not sure

[Tsar]

RJ.

[qwikz28]

turbos are expensive. i personally like the kit by gmrspeed.com but whatever works for you. talk to foff, he knows his **** about ls1s

[Squirrel]

arent cam only cars hittin 450 or so to the wheels?

[JL8Jeff]

What's a warranty? Is that something these modern cars have? ;)

If you go with heads/cam now it will be easier if you decide later to go with forced induction. If you go with forced induction now and then decide to go heads/cam later it will be extra work.

[oh one ls1 SS]

http://www.gmrspeed.com/product_info.php?cPath=40_55_359_355_358&products_id=488 :drool:

yea.. im probally going with the head n cam.. does anyone know a place i can get it installed or anyone know how to do it *cough*paul*cough*
is there anything else that needs to be upgraded when doing that?

[qwikz28]

http://www.gmrspeed.com/product_info.php?cPath=40_55_359_355_358&products_id=488 :drool:

yea.. im probally going with the head n cam.. does anyone know a place i can get it installed or anyone know how to do it *cough*paul*cough*
is there anything else that needs to be upgraded when doing that?
alot! i wish you could see my garage... im currently gathering parts for my own h/c swap and it conveniently ran well over budget. might wanna talk to charlie at sick speed (^new sponsor) a little far from here but he has pretty decent pricing

[oh one ls1 SS]

humm.. kinda far but ill PM them in a bit just to get estimates on prices

[foff667]

not twin turbo. just a single. and its 4k http://ststurbo.com/ls1

that one dude from north jersey that blew up ended up spending like $9000 even on the single turbo, install, etc. up at ttp if im not mistaken. I could find the thread if need be.

[foff667]

arent cam only cars hittin 450 or so to the wheels?

VERY NOT STREETABLE cams notched pistons, etc and even then they are few & far between...fwiw a good medium range cam should be able to get you to low 12's at full weight or high 11's with some weight removal with a decent combo of gears/traction in an m6 car and 370-400 to the wheels with a good tune and supporting bolt ons...im not gonna use ricer math but there are some important must have parts to get good #'s...LS6 intake & headers being the main ones, but it all adds up in the end. I think Ali on here made like 370 to the wheels with JUST bolt ons so you can make good numbers even going that way...if you want a little lope I would say go with a 224 to a 230 duration cam on a 113 LSA you should be able to get good drivability, not horrible gas mileage & good numbers.

[foff667]

What's a warranty? Is that something these modern cars have? ;)

If you go with heads/cam now it will be easier if you decide later to go with forced induction. If you go with forced induction now and then decide to go heads/cam later it will be extra work.

most good NA heads/cam setups work at their best with a blower FWIW...what works for one might not work well with the other. You can make good power with either, you'll make better TQ going FI, but if you want tq or huge dyno numbers do heads/cam or cam only but make sure the setup is nitrous friendly ;) nitrous=best bang for the buck IMO.

[foff667]

humm.. kinda far but ill PM them in a bit just to get estimates on prices

don't be suprised on $1000 installaltion estimate...fwiw me, Justin & Tim did the install on mine & went just fine ;) something to strongly consider especially i fyou have a usable garage.

[qwikz28]

don't be suprised on $1000 installaltion estimate...fwiw me, Justin & Tim did the install on mine & went just fine ;) something to strongly consider especially i fyou have a usable garage.
usually its a little more then that, especially since he doesnt have gasket kits OR a full bolt on car yet. total install charges will be much closer to 2k. im close by and willing to help andrew. i'll be doing my own car over the winter so i'll have some experience under my belt

[Tru2Chevy]

Yea, it wouldn't say that it was a piece of cake, but we had a 20+ page guide with detailed instructions and pics that Bill got off of one of the LSx how-to sites. We managed to get it all done and button it back up with no major issues, and it started up first try :)

- Justin

[foff667]

usually its a little more then that, especially since he doesnt have gasket kits OR a full bolt on car yet. total install charges will be much closer to 2k. im close by and willing to help andrew. i'll be doing my own car over the winter so i'll have some experience under my belt

its not really that difficult...FWIW harris speed shop does heads/cam installs for $899+ tax so trust me my prices are pretty accurately portrayed ;) i think ttp did them for like $1100 but they took them off their site for some reason. All together in a garage with the right tools & a good air gun you could be done in under 10 hours doing it with the engine in the vehicle.

[foff667]

Yea, it wouldn't say that it was a piece of cake, but we had a 20+ page guide with detailed instructions and pics that Bill got off of one of the LSx how-to sites. We managed to get it all done and button it back up with no major issues, and it started up first try :)

- Justin

www.ls1howto.com FTMFW

[oh one ls1 SS]

its not really that difficult...FWIW harris speed shop does heads/cam installs for $899+ tax so trust me my prices are pretty accurately portrayed ;) i think ttp did them for like $1100 but they took them off their site for some reason. All together in a garage with the right tools & a good air gun you could be done in under 10 hours doing it with the engine in the vehicle.

humm.. i have a usable garage but not a good/right set of tools and dont really trust myself to tear apart my engine that much. anyone willing to lend a hand?? money will be involved and food!! <ohh god.. i sound like wayfast now>

[foff667]

honestly its not that difficult....it is alot of hard work though...just double check everything and have 1 person with you to help you pick up heavy/awkward items...keep hands on a project such as that to a minimum though.

[Tru2Chevy]

Yea, just get 1 or 2 people that will commit to helping you with the whole thing. That way you don't have to worry about searching to 20 minutes for the bolts that hold down the airlid assembly....right Bill? :lol:

- Justin

[oh one ls1 SS]

can i get a stickey for a sign up sheet?? haha jk

[foff667]

geez I barely remembered that...simple one phone call fix though hehe

[qwikz28]

its not really that difficult...FWIW harris speed shop does heads/cam installs for $899+ tax so trust me my prices are pretty accurately portrayed ;) i think ttp did them for like $1100 but they took them off their site for some reason. All together in a garage with the right tools & a good air gun you could be done in under 10 hours doing it with the engine in the vehicle.
heads cam + headers + supporting mods + motor mounts and all that other little garbage adds up man. if im not mistaken his car is almost stock except for a cutout

[oh one ls1 SS]

SLP LT's and ya cant forget bout the K&N haha

[Jersey_TA]

Typically you can hit low 12s high 11s with just bolt-ons. You wouldn't need anything serious to hit mid-low 11s in a heads/cam set-up

[oh one ls1 SS]

i need more powerrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!! :drive: what bolt ons should i be looking into?

[foff667]

TB, catback, pulley, EWP, gears, you probably already have the ls6 intake if your SN is a hint to your vehicle.

[foff667]

Typically you can hit low 12s high 11s with just bolt-ons. You wouldn't need anything serious to hit mid-low 11s in a heads/cam set-up

all depends how serious you are...98TAdriver ran what 12.5 with a ton of bolt ons...then theres people like brandon who ran 11's but when pretty far into weight reduction...again depends how far you go & not all cars are made equal ;)

[Jersey_TA]

i need more powerrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!! :drive: what bolt ons should i be looking into?

Well I went 12.088 @ 115 with a stock convertor launching at 1450 rpms. I also had......deep breath lol

BG ram air kit, lid, filter, ported maf, ported tb, LS6 intake, electric water pump, underdrive pulley, headers, off-road y, catback , cut-out, 3.73 gears, tuning, slicks/skinnies(dropped .2 and gain 2 mph from this), and I also had some weight reduction(bmr k-member, bmr upper/lower a-arms, jack/spare/rear seats/passenger seat/floor mats/rear hatch divider).

;)

[Jersey_TA]

all depends how serious you are...98TAdriver ran what 12.5 with a ton of bolt ons...then theres people like brandon who ran 11's but when pretty far into weight reduction...again depends how far you go & not all cars are made equal ;)

True

[Knipps]

how much can heads/cam do for a 6'er?

[oh one ls1 SS]

im close by and willing to help andrew. i'll be doing my own car over the winter so i'll have some experience under my belt

we need to talk about this my fellow arab

[Tru2Chevy]

how much can heads/cam do for a 6'er?

Quite a lot....check out http://www.abbottracingheads.com/gm3800.html for some good info.

Also, if you aren't a member, check out www.fullthrottlev6.com

- Justin

[qwikz28]

we need to talk about this my fellow arab
indeed we shall. is your camaro still your daily?

[oh one ls1 SS]

Quite a lot....check out http://www.abbottracingheads.com/gm3800.html for some good info.
- Justin

thats pretty impressive.. car looks pretty damn nice too

[oh one ls1 SS]

indeed we shall. is your camaro still your daily?

yea im looking for a beater but i got some bills to pay off before i can get one

[qwikz28]

yea im looking for a beater but i got some bills to pay off before i can get one
im sorry to hear that. it was sad to see your bike up for sale. i always thought that would be the last thing to go. good luck man, let me know what your plans are.

btw- if you wanna save a few, theres a guy on ls1tech selling a new in-box TRak cam package with almost everything you need to go cam-only for 1200 (brand new is 1600 i believe). you could even buy heads later if you wish. i think bill will chime in and tell you what he thinks about that cam ;)

[oh one ls1 SS]

im sorry to hear that. it was sad to see your bike up for sale. i always thought that would be the last thing to go. good luck man, let me know what your plans are.

btw- if you wanna save a few, theres a guy on ls1tech selling a new in-box TRak cam package with almost everything you need to go cam-only for 1200 (brand new is 1600 i believe). you could even buy heads later if you wish. i think bill will chime in and tell you what he thinks about that cam ;)


yea.. i dont wanna sell it but its for the best. i had my fun on it,even with kasey's leperdooism, but its just not practical right now. and i wanna work up my car..little safer with all the asshats driving around over here.

any specs on the cam? i hope he takes credit card because i dont have cash for buying new toys right now..just plastic thanks for the heads up on that jake

[qwikz28]

yea.. i dont wanna sell it but its for the best. i had my fun on it,even with kasey's leperdooism, but its just not practical right now. and i wanna work up my car..little safer with all the asshats driving around over here.

any specs on the cam? i hope he takes credit card because i dont have cash for buying new toys right now..just plastic thanks for the heads up on that jake
paypal maybe? lol its up to you.

linky: http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=597323

[foff667]

its 233/235 640ish/600ish 112 i believe...pretty lopey but the last one I did had little to no bucking at all even with the stock 342 gears which is nice :D

good cam IMO, but MAKE SURE YOU USE GOOD SPRINGS!!! Stockers will not suffice(ask me how i know)

[Knipps]

Quite a lot....check out http://www.abbottracingheads.com/gm3800.html for some good info.

Also, if you aren't a member, check out www.fullthrottlev6.com

- Justin

Didn't the 3800 start standard in the 96, i have to check out which one i have. make a call home tonight catch up on whats going on and have dad check under the hood.

[foff667]

you've got a 3.4 more then likely...buy a v8 if you want performance at this point...you could pick up a similar year LT1 for the same or less then it would take to get yours into the same range et wise. No flames please you guys know its the truth.

[Tru2Chevy]

If you have a 3.4, then yea, those heads would work. There are several '95s around that have the 3.8, but they were mostly original CA cars....

Either way, you should still check out the second site.

- Justin