2007 Heads Up Classes

[NJSPEEDER]

As with the bracket racing and car show classes we are keeping the heads up classes to a pretty simple and easy to follow rules set. We will be featuring three heads up racing categories this year. This should leave open space for everyone who is interested to participate.

Pure Street: This is intended to be an entry level heads up category for the true streeter.

General Specs: All cars must have current registration, inspection, and insurance along with functioning street running gear(headlights, turn signals, brake lights, horn, windshield wipers) and a "full interior"(factory appearing dash, two front automotive seats large enough to seat an adult, console if factory equipped, full interior plastics/trim, carpet, and headliner)
All cars in Pure Street will launch from a foot brake. No transbrakes or two steps allowed.
Racing will be on a .400 Pro-Tree and eliminations will be done on a ladder developed from your qualifying passes.
All vehicles must be GM F-Body based and pass an NHRA style safety and tech inspection.
Tires: Max Drag Radial: 275/50-XX
Max Slick/Cheater Slick: 26x9.5/XX
All tires must have size stamped clearly on sidewall to be legal
Any size of front tire acceptable
Suspension: Suspension is limited to bolt on type components that retain the function of the factory components.
Base Weights: All cars must weigh a minimum of 3400lbs
Engine: All engines are to be small block V8 based and no power adders allowed.
Drivetrain: Any factory style, automotive type transmission. No planetary, clutchless shift, or Lenco style transmissions accepted.


Hot Street: This class is intended for the car that is a bit further along in it's development, but may still be streetable.

General Specs: All racing will be from a .400 Pro-Tree and eliminations will be ladder style as determined by qualifying times. All vehicles must be GM F-Body based and pass an NHRA style safety and tech inspection.
Vehicles may have options and interior deleted or altered to help make weight. Street running equipment and street legal documentation not required. Ballast must be attached in a manner consistent with NHRA safety rules.
Tires: Maximum full slick as stamped on the side wall 10.5 (non-w), cheater/DOT slicks maximum of 11.5 as stamped on the sidewall. Any style or size of front tire is acceptable.
Suspension: Suspension is limited to bolt on type components that retain the function of the factory components.
Base Weights: Small block based engine must maintain a minimum weight of 3000lbs, any big block equipped vehicle must weigh at minimum of 3400lbs
Engine: Any platform or displacement is acceptable, engine platform will determine vehicle weight under the rules (see above).
Any single installation of any single type of power adder may be used(single turbo, single stage of nitrous, single supercharger).
Nitrous equipped limited to a single plate or single nozzle system with one solenoid for fuel and one solenoid for nitrous. No fogger or multistage systems will be accepted.
Turbo/Supercharged vehicles are limited to a single boost device and a single intake charge cooler.
Drivetrain: Any factory style, automotive type transmission. No planetary, clutchless shift, or Lenco style transmissions accepted. Transbrake and two-step launch devices are acceptable.


Outlaw:

General Specs: This class is intended for the machine that has been taken from teh street to an all out race car.
Racing will be on a .400 Pro-Tree and eliminations will be done on a ladder developed from your qualifying passes.
All vehicles must be GM F-Body based and pass an NHRA style safety and tech inspection.
Tires: Open, no limitations.
Suspension and Chassis No limitations on rear suspension style, back halved, ladder bar, 4-links all acceptable. Chassis will be limited to stock wheel base +/- 1inch. Vehicle must have started as a production street car, no full tube frame vehicles allowed.
Base weight: Minimum weight for all participants in Outlaw will be 2750lbs
Engine: Run-wutcha-brung
Drivetrain: Any factory style, automotive type transmission. No planetary, clutchless shift, or Lenco style transmissions accepted. Transbrake and two-step launch devices are acceptable.


Prizes: The winner of each heads up category will win a $250 cash prize plus a really cool trophy. We will add prizes for other finishers and expand the winners prize fund as sponsorship is added to the event.

These are the rules, we do not yet consider them final and absolute. Please give feedback for the next two weeks or so and we will make them official on Christmas weekend.
Anyone planning to build up their car over the winter, please retain the receipts from any parts or work that went into the car. We are working on a contingency program that may make your mods worth more money if you place towards the top in your competitive class.

Thanks, let's hear some feedback. :)

[Savage_Messiah]

As with the bracket racing and car show classes we are keeping the heads up classes to a pretty simple and easy to follow rules set. We will be featuring three heads up racing catagories this year. This should leave open space for everyone who is intrested to participate.

Pure Street: This is intended to be an entry level heads up catagory for the true streeter.

General Specs: All cars must have current registration, inspection, and insurance along with functioning street running gear(headlights, turn signals, brake lights, horn, windshield wipers) and a "full interior"(factory appearing dash, two front automotive seats large enough to seat an adult, console if factory equiped, full interior plastics/trim, carpet, and headliner)
All cars in Pure Street will launch from a foot brake. No transbrakes or two steps allowed.
Racing will be on a .400 Pro-Tree and eliminations will be done on a ladder developed from your qualifying passes.
All vehicles must be GM F-Body based and pass an NHRA style safety and tech inspection.
Tires: Max Drag Radial: 275/50-XX
Max Slick/Cheater Slick: 26x9.5/XX
All tires must have size stamped clearly on sidewall to be legal
Any size of front tire acceptable
Suspension: Suspension is limited to bolt on type components that retain the function of the factory components.
Base Weights: All cars must weigh a minimum of 3400lbs
Engine: All engines are to be small block V8 based and no power adders allowed.
Drivetrain: Any factory style, automotive type transmission. No planetary, clutchless shift, or Lenco style transmissions accepted.


Hot Street: This class is intended for the car that is a bit further along in it's development, but may still be streetable.

General Specs: All racing will be from a .400 Pro-Tree and eliminations will be ladder style as determined by qualifying times. All vehicles must be GM F-Body based and pass an NHRA style safety and tech inspection.
Vehicles may have options and interior deleted or altered to help make weight. Street runnign equipment and street legal documentation not required. Ballast must be attached in a manner consistant with NHRA safety rules.
Tires: Maximum full slick as stamped on the side wall 10.5 (non-w), cheater/DOT slicks maximum of 11.5 as stamped on the sidewall. Any style or size of front tire is acceptable.
Suspension: Suspension is limited to bolt on type components that retain the function of the factory components.
Base Weights: Small block based engine must maintain a minimum weight of 3050lbs, any big block equiped vehicle must weigh at minimum of 3300lbs
Engine: Any platform or displacement is acceptable, engine platform will determine vehicle weight under the rules (see above).
Any single installation of any single type of power adder may be used(single turbo, single stage of nitrous, single supercharger).
Nitrous equiped limited to a single plate or single nozzle system with one solenoid for fuel and one solenoid for nitrous. No fogger or multistage systems will be accepted.
Turbo/Supercharged vehicles are limited to a single boost device and a single intake charge cooler.
Drivetrain: Any factory style, automotive type transmission. No planetary, clutchless shift, or Lenco style transmissions accepted. Transbrake and two-step launch devices are acceptable.


Outlaw:

General Specs: This class is intended for the machine that has been taken from teh street to an all out race car.
Racing will be on a .400 Pro-Tree and eliminations will be done on a ladder developed from your qualifying passes.
All vehicles must be GM F-Body based and pass an NHRA style safety and tech inspection.
Tires: Open, no limitations.
Suspension and Chassis No limitations on rear suspension style, back halved, ladder bar, 4-links all acceptable. Chassis will be limited to stock wheel base +/- 1inch. Vehicle must have started as a production street car, no full tube frame vehicles allowed.
Base weight: Minimum weight for all participants in Outlaw will be 2750lbs
Engine: Run-wutcha-brung
Drivetrain: Any factory style, automotive type transmission. No planetary, clutchless shift, or Lenco style transmissions accepted. Transbrake and two-step launch devices are acceptable.

[b]Prizes:[/i] The winner of each heads up catagory will win a $250 cash prize plus a really cool trophy. We will add prizes for other finishers and expand the winners prize fund as sponsorship is added to the event.

These are the rules, we do not yet consider them final and absolute. Please give feedback for the next two weeks or so and we will make them official on christmas weekend.
Anyone planning to build up their car over the winter, please retain the receipts from any parts or work that went into the car. We are working on a contingency program that may make your mods worth more moeny if you place towards the top in your competitve class.

Thanks, let's hear some feedback. :)

...bracket it is

[cdubbzz]

In regard to Pure Street, what kind of ET's do you think this class will bring?(upper half of the ladder)

[NJSPEEDER]

not really sure. looking around the web it seems most of the faster cars that fit the bill are in the 11's. who knows what weather they ran their numbers at though, the nats are a summer thing. so everyone will be a little slower.

[SPRYN4LOWETS]

im in for hot street! yeah baby!!!!!

[NJSPEEDER]

Hot Street: several people have brought it to my attention that the weight split between big and small blocks in hot street should prolly be a little wider(both big and small block owners have suggested this). what does everyone thing of bumping the big block weight to 3400lbs?

we are looking for suggestions still gang. next weekend we will be considering the rules as final. so if anyone has anything to say, now is the time :)

[vegaken]

I know this going to sound bad but I think maybe leave the big block weight where it is and lower the small block weight. It is just safer to have the cars lighter. But what ever the decision is I support it. I also think small block N/A cars need a weight break say 300lbs lighter than a regular small block with power adder, and give a big block maybe 150lbs lighter being N/A. Just a few ideas that's all.
Ken

[NJSPEEDER]

i have been looking around at different rule spackages and talking to a lot of my racer friends about the weights in hot street.
the best balanced answer i can see for now is to make small block cars weigh in at 3000lbs and big block powered vehicles weigh in at 3400 with no breaks for running N/A against the power adder racers.
the reasoning behind not giving out weight breaks is that i cna not find any consistant formula or amount that is discounted for running on motor. some sources only drop 50lbs while i found others that allow dropping up to 300lbs from the other basse weights. without a clearly fair solution i think we are better off keeping it simple and sticking to only two base weights for the class this year.
i already have it written in my notes to research further for the 2008 nats, by then we will have a solution that is fair to everyone.
a huge thanks to everyone for the feedback and i hope to see you all out there for the east coast nats.

[vegaken]

Guess I better sharpen my knife for the gunfight. :nod: I should be there to support this deal. I better start practicing on the tree. No crying here just going to have to get better that's all. Never been to Island so that will be fun. How are the pits there, I hate working in the grass. Looking forward to having some fun already. Come on summer time get here.
Ken(where is my knife)Sensi

[NJSPEEDER]

pits are paved.

[TTPMatt]

WHere is the NA heads up class no power adder? Booo !

[Tru2Chevy]

WHere is the NA heads up class no power adder? Booo !

The reading mod pwns you Matt.....see Pure Street.

Engine: All engines are to be small block V8 based and no power adders allowed.

- Justin

[NJSPEEDER]

WHere is the NA heads up class no power adder? Booo !

do i smell kerminator coming out to play? hehe

[MagicRatt]

Are those weights with or without driver??

[NJSPEEDER]

all weights are with driver and according to what island dragways scales, you will be alowed to reweigh(back off, zero the scale, and pull back on) if there is a discrepency

[bubba428]

well what about the v6 top end swap and cam and all the other goodies i'm putting on my car...and my headliner fell out...i didn't take it out...

[NJSPEEDER]

if you wanna enter heads up, go for it. i doubt you need to be warned how bad you will get stomped with an N/A V6 in any of the heads up classes

[TTPMatt]

Tru2Chevy: No you guys pwned me with the rules... FOCKERS !!!

General Specs: All cars must have current registration, inspection, and insurance

My trailer and truck will have current registration, inspection and insurance.. Does that count? :)

Kermi--- what who where.. What car? :)

[Tru2Chevy]

Toss some collectors plates on it and cough up the $300ish/year it will cost you to insure it. :razz:

Then you could enjoy it more than just on the track too

- Justin

[TTPMatt]

Toss some collectors plates on it and cough up the $300ish/year it will cost you to insure it.

Then you could enjoy it more than just on the track too

- Justin

Ain't that simple. I dont feel like swapping tires and playing with everything just to go on the street. No a/c or heat.

Come on guys let me run I will meet the ballast weight.

Also with the restrictions on the tires I will probably have to leave half throttle. 26x9.5 EEP

[NJSPEEDER]

do you have a shot available for it? hot street is an easy step up with a single stage.
we set the rules and promised everyone that we wouldn't change them. as things go well this year we will be working on more class expansions for next year. for now though, the rules have to stick.

[TTPMatt]

Im not changing my car for one event. It's ok if the rules are set they are set. I won't be attending with my car then.

[nosfedgta]

Hey I am thinking of making the trip up from GA to race in this event. I used to run at island all the time before I moved to ga.. I have a few questions though.

Why limit the hot street class to a plate only? and only one stage? A single turbo can create much more power than a single plate system and do it much easier. I mean lets face it on a plate you are limited on how much you can spray safely. After 250-300 shot on a plate the a/f gets pretty fugly on a wideband reading. With a turbo sky is the limit we all know this.

Also if their is no exception made on the nos rules how would people feel about a fogger that was on a car and disconnected at the noids? and the person only used a plate?


My next question is what kind of cars show up for outlaw? and what kind of times are they running? I just dont want to bring a knife to a gun fight thats all. My car has 2 stages a fogger and a plate, but its insured, has plates, and is street legal with 10.5 tires. I just dont want to run a crowd of big tired 4 link cars and get smoked all day :)

thanks

Drew

[NJSPEEDER]

the classes this year are new, so we are not sure what kinds of times each class will be running. i am sure the outlaw guys will be well into the single digits though.

as far as disconnecting the solenoids for the fogger, i think that would be fair. one thing we would do is allow anyone in the class to ask that your hood be opened before each round just to prove they are still off(you know how paranoid racers can be). as long as your car meets the rest of the Hot Street class rules i am ok with it.

the one plate = one turbo/blower thing is borrowed from other racing rules. it is a common theme in a lot of regional racing series to call a plate equal to a single boost item.
that is something that is already on the list to review after this years event so we can improve the rules for next year. we also expect to see a lot mroe bottle cars than blower cars, so i don't think it will be too muchfo an issue.
thanks for your interest in the event. talk it up with your buddies and get a convoy up here. it is gonna be a great time, looking forward to seeing you there.

[nosfedgta]

one more question. I race at a bunch of local stock suspension 10.5 races and they have no prob with my susp because it is non adjustable. i run whats called the southside machine bar setup. you still use the panhard, factory location shocks, springs, and control arms. the only thing is that instead of a torque arm it has 2 bars from the rearend to a pivot bar. Their is no adjustment at all. once it is in, its in.. So far I have not met any resistance at any other tracks so are you guys ok with this?? its a long ride "17-18 hours" I just dont want to make the drive for nothing.

Thanks

Drew

[NJSPEEDER]

interesting, do you have a link to pics of the set up? we would have to get a look at what you are talking about to make that call.

[Batman]

Hey Timk, I have one quick question about tires for pure street, you have listed 275/50 is the biggest you can go but any of the 4th Gen's with 17's are 275/40. I see this as a disadvantage (smaller sidewall) and I am assuming you are using the 275 as the restriction, but I just wanted to clarify.
-Nick

[Tru2Chevy]

interesting, do you have a link to pics of the set up? we would have to get a look at what you are talking about to make that call.

I'm 99% sure that what he is talking about is also referred to as the Pete Z bar setup or something like that. It's the setup that Ron was running on his car for a little while.

- Justin

[nosfedgta]

they are out of business. so i dont have a link for ya. i will try to get a pic of my car for you. Like i said though there is no adjustment at all. so its kind of a disadvantage. You cant make changes for different tracks. its what came on the car when i bought it and I just have not had the chance to change it...

[nosfedgta]

check this lin k out, it has a few pics.

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/suspension-chassis/115914-best-setup-dragstrip-traction.html

Does anyone reading this have a problem with me running this setup????

[nosfedgta]

so I guess there is no probs with this??? I have not got a response yet? this event is not to far away so i need some feedback...

[V]

if you want a answer, post better pics here, those linked you have to be a member to veiw them.

[NJSPEEDER]

sorry i didn't get back to you right away, been busy.
wanted to ask if there is a welded in cross member or mount for any of the links of the chassis side of the susupension?

[nosfedgta]

its got the 2 bars welded to the rear, one left and one on the right. they go up to a bar that is welded to the subframes. other than that everything else is stock. shocks, springs, lca's, panhard, the only thing missing is the torque arm. Like I said its not the best suspension setup, but its what came with the car. It has ZERO adjustability.......

[onebad82z]

Some pics to help out nosfedgta...

[nosfedgta]

well I guess there is no problem with it so im going to run the class and I hope there is no problem when I get there...

[NJSPEEDER]

sorry i didn't get back to you. ihave been rather busy lately.
since the forward pick up points are not the factory ones, i don't think we can allow it to run in a bolt on class. it opens too big a loop hole that i quickly fuond too many people ready to jump through. sorry.
your car is still eligable for the outlaw class, but you may be out gunned depending who decides to show up.
it is written into the notes as something to persue for next year, hopefully we can have a class that is a better fit for you then.

[vegaken]

Tim I was wondering about being able to use a new set of tires that I just bought for the index classes at Atco. I bought a set of 28 x12.5 et streets. These measure the same as my 28 x 10.5 will these be allowed or am i going to have to get another set of rims to race on for that day and put the slicks on them.
Thanks,
Ken

[nosfedgta]

sorry i didn't get back to you. ihave been rather busy lately.
since the forward pick up points are not the factory ones, i don't think we can allow it to run in a bolt on class. it opens too big a loop hole that i quickly fuond too many people ready to jump through. sorry.
your car is still eligable for the outlaw class, but you may be out gunned depending who decides to show up.
it is written into the notes as something to persue for next year, hopefully we can have a class that is a better fit for you then.

well thats too bad. Its just wierd to me that I go to MANY stock supension races and never have a problem. I will run the outlaw class I guess... some things to look at for next year are this rule and the power adder rule. when you say one powerr adder it should not matter one turbo is one turbo same goes for supercharer or nitrous. It should be limited to one power adder, not one power adder but if you run nitrous you can only run a plate....if you limit one you have to limit the others as well... like only being able to run a 67mm turbo and only run a t trim blower or only being able to run a pb6 housing.... etc.

Their are some classes that run your rules, but they are not allowed any blowers or turbo's, or they are allowed but only allowed to run a 26x8in slick.

Just some things to look at for next year. I race at many races during the years and see many rules and changes every year. I have run in some ORCSA races, stock suspension races, 28x10.5 tire class, index, bracket, all out grudge etc....

Look forward to seeing everyone there. Just come up and say hello. My car is an 83 z28 with all 92 gfx it is white with blue tribal flames.. wheeewww its going to be a long haul up there....

[NJSPEEDER]

thanks for all the suggestions. hopefuly this year will go well and we can refine the class rules and maybe build a few new classes for next year.
looking forward to meeting you and seeing the car perform.

[onebad82z]

Will there be any TnT lanes open at the event? I will have no seat time before then to know what times it will run and don't want to enter into a class that I am outpaced in. My car is too modified to run Pure Street yet I have a feeling not fast enough to compete in Hot Street. And with no seat time I have no desire to look like a fool in any bracket class..

[NJSPEEDER]

yes, there will be time shot/grudge lanes at the nats :)

[onebad82z]

yes, there will be time shot/grudge lanes at the nats :)

Excellent!!

[bubba428]

Pure Street: This is intended to be an entry level heads up category for the true streeter.

General Specs: All cars must have current registration, inspection, and insurance along with functioning street running gear(headlights, turn signals, brake lights, horn, windshield wipers) and a "full interior"(factory appearing dash, two front automotive seats large enough to seat an adult, console if factory equipped, full interior plastics/trim, carpet, and headliner)
All cars in Pure Street will launch from a foot brake. No transbrakes or two steps allowed.
Racing will be on a .400 Pro-Tree and eliminations will be done on a ladder developed from your qualifying passes.
All vehicles must be GM F-Body based and pass an NHRA style safety and tech inspection.
Tires: Max Drag Radial: 275/50-XX
Max Slick/Cheater Slick: 26x9.5/XX
All tires must have size stamped clearly on sidewall to be legal
Any size of front tire acceptable
Suspension: Suspension is limited to bolt on type components that retain the function of the factory components.
Base Weights: All cars must weigh a minimum of 3400lbs
Engine: All engines are to be small block V8 based and no power adders allowed.
Drivetrain: Any factory style, automotive type transmission. No planetary, clutchless shift, or Lenco style transmissions accepted.




1)so does this mean I could use a couple dough nuts sense I'm a poor redneck and can afford drag lites
2) so even if its not a factory motor?

yes, there will be time shot/grudge lanes at the nats :)

DAMN DAMN DAMN I really wish the V6 could have made it...I really wanted to bury that big red abortion they call an f-body

[NJSPEEDER]

donuts ae not speed rated above 50-60 miles an hour, so no you can't run them.
an N/A V6 has no shot against aV8. if anyone cares to waste the entry fee feel free, just don't expect to get anywhere.

[QuikZ]

The rules say 275-50-xx as the largest tire, is a 275-60-15 OK? MT drag radial.

[Tru2Chevy]

The rules say 275-50-xx as the largest tire, is a 275-60-15 OK? MT drag radial.

We are sorry, however it is limited to a 275/50 due to tire height restrictions. A 28" tall tire like a 275/60/15 would be an advantage over the guys who are stuck running a 26" tall tire.

- Justin