Profiling the Muslims do you agree Y/N

[johnjzjz]

Please read this and reflect!


The paper stated today that some Muslim doctor is
saying we are profiling him because he has been checked
three times while getting on an airplane.


A Letter From An American Airlines Pilot. This well
spoken man, who is a pilot with American Airlines, says
what is in his heart beautifully....read, absorb and pass
on....it's time to get answers from those who claim their
terrorist members do not represent them why are their
leaders not LOUDLY AND FIERCELY AND CONTINUOUSLY
condemning their visible murderous brethren.


YOU WORRY ME!
By American Airlines Pilot - Captain John
Maniscalco


"I've been trying to say this since 9-11 but you
worry me. I wish you didn't. I wish when I walked down the
streets of this country that I love, that your color and
culture still blended with the beautiful human landscape
we enjoy in this country. But you don't blend in anymore.
I notice you, and it worries me.


I notice you because I can't help it anymore.
People from your homelands, professing to be Muslims, have
been attacking and killing my fellow citizens and our
friends for more than 20 years now. I don't fully
understand their grievances and hate but I know that
nothing can justify the inhumanity of their attacks.


On September 11, nineteen ARAB-MUSLIMS hijacked
four jetliners in my country. They cut the throats of
women in front of children and brutally stabbed to dea th
others. They took control of those planes and crashed
them into buildings killing thousands of proud fathers,
loving sons, wise grandparents, elegant daughters, best
friends, favorite coaches, fearless public servants, and
children's mothers.


The Palestinians Celebrated, The Iraqis were
overjoyed as was most of the Arab world. So I notice you
now. I don't want to be worried. I don't want to be
consumed by the same rage and hate and prejudice that has
destroyed the soul of these terrorists. But I need your
help. As a rational American, trying to protect my country
and family in an irrational and unsafe world, I must know
how to tell the difference between you,and the
Arab/Muslim terrorist.


How do I differentiate between the true
Arab/Muslim-Americans and the Arab/Muslims in our
communities who are attending our schools, enjoying our
parks, and living in OUR communities under the protection
of OUR constitution, while they plot the next attack that
will slaughter these same good neighbors and children? The
events of September 11th changed the answer. It is not my
responsibility to determine which of you embraces our
great country, with ALL of its religions, with ALL of its
different citizens, with all of its faults. It is time for
every Arab/Muslim in this country to determine it for me.


I want to know, I demand to know, and I have a
right to know whether or not you love America. Do you
pledge allegiance to its flag? Do you proudly display it
in front of your house, or on your car?




Do you pray in your many daily prayers that
Allah will bless this nation, that He will protect and
prosper it? Or do you pray that Allah with destroy it in
one of your "Jihads"? Are you thankful for the freedom
that only this nation affords? A freedom that was paid for
by the blood of hundreds of thousands of patriots who
gave their lives for this country? Are you willing to
preserve this freedom by paying the ultimate sacrifice?




Do you love America ? If this is your commitment, then I
need YOU to start letting ME know about it.


Your Muslim leaders in this nation should be
flooding the media at this time with hard facts on your
faith, and what hard actions you are taking as a community
and as a religion to protect the United States of
America. Please, no more benign overtures of regret for
the death of the innocent because I worry about who you
regard as innocent. No more benign overtures of
condemnation for the unprovoked attacks because I worry
about what is unprovoked to you. I am not interested in
any more sympathy... I am only interested in action.
What will you do for America - our great country -- at
this time of crisis, at this time of war?


I want to see Arab-Muslims waving the AMERICAN
flag in the streets. I want to hear you chanting "Allah
Bless America " I want to see young Arab/Muslim men
enlisting in the military. I want to see a commitment of
money, time, and emotion to the victims of this butchering
and to this nation as a whole. The FBI has a list of over
400 people they want to talk to regarding the WTC attack.
Many of these people live and socialize in Muslim
communities. You know them. You know where theyare.


Hand them over to us, now! But I have seen
little even approaching this sort of action. Instead I
have seen an already closed and secretive community close
even tighter. You have disappeared from the streets. You
have posted armed security guards at your facilities.


You have threatened lawsuits. You have screamed
for protection from reprisals.


The very few Arab/Muslim representativ es that
HAVE appeared in the media were defensive and
equivocating. They seemed more concerned with making sure
that the United States proves who was responsible before
taking action. They seemed more concerned with protecting
their fellow Muslims from violence directed towards them
in the United States and abroad than they did with
supporting our country and denouncing "leaders" like
Khadafi, Hussein, Farrakhan, and Arafat.


If the true teachings of Islam proclaim tolerance
and peace and love for all people then I want chapter and
verse from the Koran and statements from popular Muslim
leaders to back it up. What good is it if the teachings in
the Koran are good and pure and true when your "leaders"
are teaching fanatical interpretations, terrorism, and
intolerance?


It matters little how good Islam SHOULD BE if
large numbers of the world's Muslims interpret the
teachings of Mohammed incorrectly and adhere to a
degenerative form of the religion. A form that has been
demonstrated to us over and over again. A form whose
structure is built upon a foundation of violence, death,
and suicide. A form whose members are recruited from the
prisons around the world. A form wh ose members (some as
young as five years old) are seen day after day, week in
and week out, year after year, marching in the streets
around the world, burning effigies of our presidents,
burning the American flag, shooting weapons into the
air. A form whose members convert from a peaceful
religion, only to take up arms against the grea t United
States of America, the country of their birth. A form
whose rules are so twisted, that their traveling members
refuse to show their faces at airport security
checkpoints, in the name of Islam.


Do you and your fellow Muslims hate us because
our women proudly show their faces in public rather than
cover up like a shameful whore? Do you and your fellow
Muslims hate us because we drink wine with dinner, or
celebrate Christmas? Do you and your fellow Muslims hate
us because we have befriended Israel, the ONLY FRIENDLY
CIVILIZED SOCIETY in the Muslim/Arab area, that thinks and
acts like most Americans.


And if you and your fellow Muslims hate us, then
why in the world are you even here? Are you here to take
our money? Are you here to undermine our peace and
stability? Are you here to destroy us? If so, I want you
to leave. I want you to go back to your desert sandpit
where women are treated like rats and dogs. I want you to
take your religion, your friends, and your family back to
your Islamic extremists, and STAY THERE! We will NEVER
give in to your influence, your retarded mentality, your
twisted, violent, intolerant religion.


We will NEVER allow the attacks of September 11,
or any others for that matter, to take away that which is
so precious to us: Our rights under the greatest
constitution in the world. I want to know where every
Arab/ Muslim in this country stands and I think it is my
right and the right of every true citizen of this country
to demand it. A right paid for by the blood of thousands
of my brothers and sisters who died protecting the very
constitution that is protecting you and your family. I am
pleading with you to let me know. I want you here as my
brother, my neighbor, my friend, As a fellow American.
But there can be no gray areas or ambivalence regarding
your allegiance and it is up to YOU, to show ME, where YOU
stand." "Until then you worry me"

[Tru2Chevy]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/worryme.htm

- Justin

[Untamed]

Some of that enmity from foreign groups is spawned from our own foreign policy - and the way in which we enforce it. Some of it is seen in the news, while much of it, I can only imagine, is unseen and perhaps strong-armed and offensive to those whom we traffic with.

There's a price to pay when you're king of the hill - you gotta keep knocking people off to stay up there. Every now and then though, we'll get punched back. That's what we're feeling now. It would be too easy to simply stop enforcing the policies and desires that our government deems necessary to maintain, or even improve, the lifestyle of Americans. But simply sitting back and accepting others as equals, or even dominants, isn't in our nature. So we continue to struggle to be number 1 in the world.

To answer the original question, you first have to put it in context with the above. Is it morally right to single out one ethnic group and profile them? Is it practical? What would we gain other than the sanctioned separation of a race as we have done in the past?

In my opinion, overt profiling isn't the answer. However, law enforcement groups and the intelligence community should be supported by the government and people to use methods and technology that allows them to do their jobs without hampering the lifestyle and freedoms enjoyed by US citizens. Profiling does not have to be a public concern - but it may be a consequence of good police work. If law enforcement personnel keep their eyes on suspicious people, is it really profiling, or just being vigilant?

[79CamaroDiva]

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/worryme.htm

- Justin

status says undetermined... it may or may not be real, but i think regardless it is beautifully written. its actually something i have to think about a little more before i decide how much and what i agree with. so ill get back to you on my opinions on it.

[Tru2Chevy]

Break the chain has a letter from American Airlines that states this pilot flies for them, but he didn't write it.


I can see where the author is coming from with his views, because a lot of the things he says are true.

Personally I don't fear for my life every time I see an Arab person walking down the street (unless it's Jake - he's a scary mofo :razz: ), but I'm sure there are people who do. Regardless of the way the rest of the Arab population acts, it's not right to group them with the radicals who want all Americans to die.

Just because they don't profess their love for our country every time they leave their home doesn't mean they have any less right to be here than others.

Just for an example, (not singling Italians out for any reason) I see a lot of cars around my town that have those small 3 bar Italian flag reflectors stuck on their rear bumpers or license plate brackets, but I haven't seen one of them also have an American flag sticker on their back window, or anywhere else. Does this mean that we should be suspicious of them because they are displaying their pride for their country of origin and not the country that they live in?

- Justin

[79CamaroDiva]

i think its great for people to have pride in where they come from.. lots of people, not just the italians that justin mentioned, put their nationality's flag somewhere on their car, house, whatever. and i dont believe that we need to make arab americans show their pride or whatever, because not all other americans need to do that to be looked at without prejudice. thats why i said i can see where he's coming from but dont know how if eel on it. i wouldnt want to treat anyone who is just like me any different just because of their heritage. its a very touchy subject.

[firehawk1120]

I'm 100% for profiling. Whether it comes to blacks on the highway getting pulled over by the state police or arabs being screened at airports, hell I'm italian tap my phones to see if I'm trying to get someone whacked i don't care if it makes this country safer. All the people crying about being profiled are the ones I'm worried about because they probably have something to hide.

If you are obeying the laws is it that disgusting to take an extra 2 min to get searched since you are of the same nationality of the people who slaughtered thousands of people. I don't think it is.

Get over it and move on with your life and enjoy your flight now that you know people are being examined better then ever for terrorist attacks.

[Savage_Messiah]

I'm 100% for profiling. Whether it comes to blacks on the highway getting pulled over by the state police or arabs being screened at airports, hell I'm italian tap my phones to see if I'm trying to get someone whacked i don't care if it makes this country safer. All the people crying about being profiled are the ones I'm worried about because they probably have something to hide.

If you are obeying the laws is it that disgusting to take an extra 2 min to get searched since you are of the same nationality of the people who slaughtered thousands of people. I don't think it is.

Get over it and move on with your life and enjoy your flight now that you know people are being examined better then ever for terrorist attacks.


That's pretty ignorant

[qwikz28]

:popcorn:

i'll reserve my comments for now since my views are slightly biased. although i will admit that i kinda agree with firehawkguy. i do realize that the terrorists were all arab and i would completely understand if they let john smith and his family go in front of me and stopped me to search me, i dont care for political correctness, they are not fooling me by searching a little old lady and me at the same time. i know what they really want. i just wish they would use better judgement then stopping a family of a father, mother, and kids that are arab. what terrorist would bring their family along? its just common sense!

...i say that cause my family was late for a flight after 9-11 and we almost missed it cause they wanted to detain us for some reason and it was just outlandish that they would think a whole family would do something like that. oh yeah and i think one of the terrorists had a similar last name then mine so i can kinda see why but still...

[maroman88]

I'm 100% for profiling. Whether it comes to blacks on the highway getting pulled over by the state police or arabs being screened at airports, hell I'm italian tap my phones to see if I'm trying to get someone whacked i don't care if it makes this country safer. All the people crying about being profiled are the ones I'm worried about because they probably have something to hide.

If you are obeying the laws is it that disgusting to take an extra 2 min to get searched since you are of the same nationality of the people who slaughtered thousands of people. I don't think it is.

Get over it and move on with your life and enjoy your flight now that you know people are being examined better then ever for terrorist attacks.

I 100% agree with this man!!!! you could not have said it any better. if you have nothing to hide then who cares, its for your saftey to, you live here you fly on air planes. tough cookies if you get searched

[Savage_Messiah]

"innocent until proven guilty" no longer applies

[maroman88]

yea ur innocent until they find **** on you, if not then u go on your merry way.

[Tsar]

yea ur innocent until they find **** on you, if not then u go on your merry way.
and why should some p.o.s. TSA guy waste my time? i laughed every time one of them tryed to stop me Daytona, only once did one got pissed and came after me and actually tryed to yell at me and tell me what i had to do. i told him to **** off and was on my way. Same applies to every airport security jackass out there, but then again i dont stand in lines 90% of the time. yes im that special.

[ryanfx]

I'm sorry savage but i'm going to have to disagree with you. If the airlines, or police, or whoever the enforcement is at the time can take 5 extra minutes of someone's time to keep thousands safe, why wouldn't you? If they were to have been profiling during 9/11, there would have been less of a chance the whole ordeal would have happened.

basically:

- It is unfair to innocient citizens who happen to share the same nationality as common terrorists.
-It is unfair for them to undergo worse treatment than others solely based on their apearance.

however:
-Statistics do not lie, and when enforcement is dealing with 100,000's of people daily, you can't always "play fair"
-It is not fair to the friends and families of those who are lost or injured should a bad event occur.
-If Polish people suddenly became threatening to America, I wouldn't have a care in the world about being held an extra 5 minutes or even hour for one reason or another. If stopping all Polish people helped save thousands of lives, I would be grateful that officials were being analytical enough to realize this, and stop me.

I am not racist, however I do have eyes. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the common problems in the world.

[Untamed]

If they were to have been profiling during 9/11, there would have been less of a chance the whole ordeal would have happened.

Profiling, and good security practices, are two different things. You can have one without the other.

Regardless of whether agencies should be allowed to overtly profile or not, effective security measures need to be in place. Hiring some overweight, under educated, under paid person off the street, to act as security, is a joke. Instead of spending millions on other crap, spend the money on hiring those folks who get paid to actually give a ****. The TSA people at the airports are a joke.

[johnjzjz]

it is a shame one of my brothers is a pilot with AA and snopes might have talked to him, ( Lets say they did ) and he as all pilots have to be very wise what they say and to who, these days the left has an agenda and you become a target if for some reason you do not see it their way -- your job as a pilot is over -- QUOTES -- That's pretty ignorant --- and ---"innocent until proven guilty" no longer applies --- you don't get it and never will its a waste of time for any normal thinking individual to even discuss it with you -- or you could state a real reason you do not agree with want he said -- poll should prove who is and who is not on the ball so to speak -- jz

[Ian]

I was gonna write a long thought out response, but I'm not gonna bother. it would be pointless to say the least.

[johnjzjz]

I was gonna write a long thought out response, but I'm not gonna bother. it would be pointless to say the least.

now that is a shame you always have a good thought -- jz

[BonzoHansen]

I like ice cream.

[j0n]

I'm 100% for profiling. Whether it comes to blacks on the highway getting pulled over by the state police or arabs being screened at airports, hell I'm italian tap my phones to see if I'm trying to get someone whacked i don't care if it makes this country safer. All the people crying about being profiled are the ones I'm worried about because they probably have something to hide.

If you are obeying the laws is it that disgusting to take an extra 2 min to get searched since you are of the same nationality of the people who slaughtered thousands of people. I don't think it is.

Get over it and move on with your life and enjoy your flight now that you know people are being examined better then ever for terrorist attacks.

I usually consider you a d-bag...but i agree with you 100% :usa:

btw for some reason i've been selected to get randomly patted down on every flight i've taken since 9/11(at least 5 flights) and each time im happy to see that they're taking precautions; never pissed that instead of sitting near the terminal for 2 minutes im instead standing...big freakin deal

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Agree with profiling. If italians had done something disastrous, then I wouldn't mind being stopped. Not that I fly often anyway. If only a certain group are the problem, then....

[Teds89IROC]

I agree with Gene and everyone else that feels the same. A lot of this "profiling" is based on statistical information, if statistically a certain group showed a history of commiting crimes or terrorising, then obviously the chances of that group commiting the crime is going to be greater then another group. It's all precaution and if you're innocent, then why do you care. Be mad at the scumbags that give your heritage/race/whatever the bad rep

[Ian]

so because possibly 5% of the population of muslims are radicals (at best!) that gives us the right to assume that every single one of them is a terrorist? how about we dont let more than one black person on a plane because black on black violence is a much higher percentage than radical muslims vs non-radical muslims.

[Teds89IROC]

anyone could be part of that 5% and we investigate the ones that fit the description best as well as other random people, I dont see the problem in taking that precaution. and the issue has othing to do with radical muslim vs muslim crime, it has to do with radical muslims trying to terrorize our country.

[Ian]

anyone could be part of that 5% and we investigate the ones that fit the description best as well as other random people, I dont see the problem in taking that precaution. and the issue has othing to do with radical muslim vs muslim crime, it has to do with radical muslims trying to terrorize our country.

riiiiight. so timothy mcveigh was a muslim and wanted to end all of western civilization. I stand by my point. there is no such thing as a stereotypical terroroist and there never will be. If someone like jake has to get searched, why wouldn't I get searched? I am just as capable, if not more capable, at carrying out a terrorist attack.

and for a secong time (other time was in another post a while back)...this country was founded on a terrorist act......boston tea party. sometimes terrorism is the only way to get through to some people. granted, I dont like it at all and do not condone it whatsoever, but it took an act of terror to forge our country.

[Knipps]

so this country was founded on the day of the boston tea party...
that's not what i learnt in history

[Rob WS6]

If I can get charged more for my car insurance because "statistically" people with lower credit scores are "worse" drivers, then "statistically" Muslims should be singled out because 99% of hijacked planes are done my Muslim extremists.

**** that, and eye for an eye. Dont like it? Go back to your country. We dont care, trust me.

[Teds89IROC]

you have just of an equal chance of getting checked as jake does, thanks to random security checks; just as j0n has been checked the numerous times that he has.

The whole point isnt that every muslim or arab person is a terrorist, the point is that there is a trend of terrorism linked to them ,just like majority of the crime is commited by blacks and majority of the jails are filled with blacks..its just how the numbers are, so we take precaution to the most obivous. No **** anyone is just as capable of it, but being that we can't regulate EVERYTHING we try and regulate what is known.

[Ian]

so this country was founded on the day of the boston tea party...
that's not what i learnt in history

turning point = founding moment. you didnt think this country was magically made with the declaration did you?

and yes, while most of hte people that hijack planes are muslim, you have to look deeper than that to find all of the problem starters though.

do not get me wrong, I am 110% for the secrutiy of this country, but there are certain things that just arent right. profiling is one of them. if you're gonna profile, why not just screen everyone. you'd be suprised at what you might find.

[Ian]

you have just of an equal chance of getting checked as jake does, thanks to random security checks; just as j0n has been checked the numerous times that he has.

The whole point isnt that every muslim or arab person is a terrorist, the point is that there is a trend of terrorism linked to them ,just like majority of the crime is commited by blacks and majority of the jails are filled with blacks..its just how the numbers are, so we take precaution to the most obivous. No **** anyone is just as capable of it, but being that we can't regulate EVERYTHING we try and regulate what is known.

blue collar! just the way I like it. you think for a second a CEO of a huge corporation is gonna get charged as easily as a poor man stealing a TV? think again. the crime that actually hurts me (lower class, thank you very little) is the pricks up top stealing from corporate funds and making my life a living hell. dont try telling me that most of the crime is commited by black people, thats pure ********. the **** that makes my life harder to live is commited by white people and they are all over paid and under worked. I'd like to see them live my life for half a year and not kill themselves.

I'm sorry, but to make such a racist staement like that, you really need to get your head checked!

[Teds89IROC]

Among men, blacks (28.5%) are about six times more likely than whites (4.4%)
to be admitted to prison during their life. Among women, 3.6% of blacks and
0.5% of whites will enter prison at least once. (U.S. Department of Justice)
Based on current rates of incarceration, an estimated 7.9% of black males
compared to 0.7% of white males will enter State of Federal prison by the
time they are age 20 and 21.4% of black males versus 1.4% of white males will
be incarcerated by age 30. (U.S. Department of Justice)
Some have noted that more black men are in prison in America than are in
college. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128 )

[Ian]

and you dont think that has anything to do with a corrupt justice system?

*edit* you're stupid if you believe the justice system is even halfway close to perfect.

[Teds89IROC]

No I don't think it's perfect, but not being perfect means it can be as equally as imperfect and wrong towards any case, any judgement, made in the system. But I guess that's not true and our country is just racist and stupid :rolleyes:

[Ian]

for the most part, you're right. Our country is stupid. and I agree with you. if any case can be right, i t can just as easily be wrong. which brings me back to my original point....if arabs have to get searched "randomly" so should everyone else. and I mean everyone! profiling is a waste of time, being thorough, no matter what the cost, is worth much more.

[johnjzjz]

Greed: is the number one reason most crime in the USA is committed ( white brown black yellow what ever ) -- the ones doing could care less for your life or mine -- given a chance they would take it financially or literally -- quote : *edit* you're stupid if you believe the justice system is even halfway close to perfect. --- YOU ARE RIGHT WHEN A JUDGE LETS A CHILD MOLESTER OFF WITH 30 DAYS : but how about the one who signed the search warrant with light on details : --- you are forgetting a very real point they in the Muslin religion are preaching death to all who are not Muslim : HELLO HELLO HELLO : are you getting that : in their own words death to all the infidels ( ALL ) : not some like the communist news network would have you think ( CNN ) -- jz

[qwikz28]

i think the reason more blacks are arrested then whites is because black people tend to fall into lower class society and also the same reason this was brought up, racial profiling.

ian- i personally think the whole screening process in itself is bullcrap. you have completely underqualified people searching people who seriously outsmart them. regardless of what kind of checks they have at the airport, i guarantee those reject security guards will get outsmarted by a terrorist. if anyone tries hard enough, they can be creative enough to get around it. just like that guy on the news not too long ago that brought the weapon on the plane just to prove he can. that guy wasnt crazy, he helped us if anything.

i understand also that screening arabs only will create a loophole for others to try something stupid. islam as a whole, has a lot of money and they either threaten or pay off alot of people to join them. and that doesnt only happen in egypt like i'm referring to, i've heard of it happening in Newark from personal account. this would be interesting if they could convince someone of a different race to do their stupid crap for them.

[12secondv6]

Because it has not been said yet..... Derka Derka mohammed jee-had!

I have no problem w/ profiling..... I'm a cracker ass cracker limey bastard... I have no shame in it

[BonzoHansen]

Among men, blacks (28.5%) are about six times more likely than whites (4.4%)
to be admitted to prison during their life. Among women, 3.6% of blacks and
0.5% of whites will enter prison at least once. (U.S. Department of Justice)
Based on current rates of incarceration, an estimated 7.9% of black males
compared to 0.7% of white males will enter State of Federal prison by the
time they are age 20 and 21.4% of black males versus 1.4% of white males will
be incarcerated by age 30. (U.S. Department of Justice)
Some have noted that more black men are in prison in America than are in
college. (The Black and White of Justice, Freedom Magazine, Volume 128 )Many might say these stats proves inequality exists. They don't prove who commits crime, they prove who gets convicted. Bascially what Ian said. The root issue is economics, not race. If a proportionate number of minorities are poor, that is a differnent problem that needs to be addressed.

I also like cookies very much, along with ice cream.

[r0nin89]

It difficult situation to judge. It holds the same effect as the Japanese in WW2, and Russians during the cold war. He shouldnt be complaining though its not like hes not the only group that its done to (not specifically in airports though). I mean a black guy walks into a store and hes watched more than a white guy. Its human instinct to reflect and pass general judgment based on prior events. In the case of blacks its robberies/shootings in the news despite the fact that it doesnt apply to all blacks many people still view all of them that way. The same with Muslims. When your people are killings out soldiers, 1/2 are supporting a dictator, flying planes into buildings then rejoicing about it I now pass judgment on all of you because this is what your majority makes us beleive you are. If it were not for the fact that I know theres an air marshall on every plane with a gun I still wouldnt fly...

[Tsar]

It difficult situation to judge. It holds the same effect as the Japanese in WW2, and Russians during the cold war. He shouldnt be complaining though its not like hes not the only group that its done to (not specifically in airports though). I mean a black guy walks into a store and hes watched more than a white guy. Its human instinct to reflect and pass general judgment based on prior events. In the case of blacks its robberies/shootings in the news despite the fact that it doesnt apply to all blacks many people still view all of them that way. The same with Muslims. When your people are killings out soldiers, 1/2 are supporting a dictator, flying planes into buildings then rejoicing about it I now pass judgment on all of you because this is what your majority makes us beleive you are. If it were not for the fact that I know theres an air marshall on every plane with a gun I still wouldnt fly...

i wont flame you for being a moron(cuz i dont wanna talk to timmy on aim again someone gets butt hurt), but instead ill just say that WHITE people as a race killed more people then you'll be able to comprehend.

[BonzoHansen]

It difficult situation to judge. It holds the same effect as the Japanese in WW2, and Russians during the cold war. He shouldnt be complaining though its not like hes not the only group that its done to (not specifically in airports though). I mean a black guy walks into a store and hes watched more than a white guy. Its human instinct to reflect and pass general judgment based on prior events. In the case of blacks its robberies/shootings in the news despite the fact that it doesnt apply to all blacks many people still view all of them that way. The same with Muslims. When your people are killings out soldiers, 1/2 are supporting a dictator, flying planes into buildings then rejoicing about it I now pass judgment on all of you because this is what your majority makes us beleive you are. If it were not for the fact that I know theres an air marshall on every plane with a gun I still wouldnt fly...

i wont flame you for being a moron(cuz i dont wanna talk to timmy on aim again someone gets butt hurt), but instead ill just say that WHITE people as a race killed more people then you'll be able to comprehend.Many in the name of God.

[Ian]

also, that figure of 1/2 the muslims in the world flying planes into buildings is not accurate at all. a majority of them are just like the christians, they follow their beliefs, but not word for word. the extremists can be likened to the ultra conservative, bible hugging religious nut jobs in the bible belt of the good ol' US of A.

there are too many differences to make profiling correct. Economic, religion, race, even how much you actually believe in your religion.

[johnjzjz]

also, that figure of 1/2 the muslims in the world flying planes into buildings is not accurate at all. a majority of them are just like the christians, they follow their beliefs, but not word for word. the extremists can be likened to the ultra conservative, bible hugging religious nut jobs in the bible belt of the good ol' US of A.

there are too many differences to make profiling correct. Economic, religion, race, even how much you actually believe in your religion.

a majority of them are just like the christians, they follow their beliefs, but not word for word. the extremists can be likened to the ultra conservative, bible hugging religious nut jobs in the bible belt of the good ol' US of A.

Fill me in -- the plane or planes that were hi jacked buy christians and flown into buildings ??? what page was that on again -- the crusades were muslims against christian knights -- or did they omit that too in history in the masive re write -- your lost young fellow but theirs hope age brings wisdom --

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[Frosty]

Do I think "profiling" is wrong? Yes. Does it exist today? Sure. I can't say that if I was an airline security guard I wouldn't keep a closer eye on an Arab looking person than a white person. I know that's wrong but that's the world we live in today(or maybe my own weakness).

...and LMFAO@the people who have the attitude of "Well let them tap my phones and violate the Constitution..I mean if I'm clean what do I have to worry about?" You guys will never EVER get it....EVER.

[Ian]

I guess me comparing the radical muslims directly to the radical christians was slightly off. no, radical christians dont fly planes into buildings. they do however follow their religion word for word and openly hate anyone who doesnt believe what they do (other religions and gays as an example). the radical muslims are the same way, except they believe that if you die doing good for your religion that you'll go to heaven. its almost like a free pass to them and they take the opportunity.

[Ian]

and LMFAO@the people who have the attitude of "Well let them tap my phones and violate the Constitution..I mean if I'm clean what do I have to worry about?" You guys will never EVER get it....EVER.

:stupid:

[johnjzjz]

Do I think "profiling" is wrong? Yes. Does it exist today? Sure. I can't say that if I was an airline security guard I wouldn't keep a closer eye on an Arab looking person than a white person. I know that's wrong but that's the world we live in today(or maybe my own weakness).

...and LMFAO@the people who have the attitude of "Well let them tap my phones and violate the Constitution..I mean if I'm clean what do I have to worry about?" You guys will never EVER get it....EVER.

oh i get it the same way you do cept -- the us gov could care less about you or me and anything we might be talking about on the phone or anywhere else -- thats the point you miss, we are and have never been the target -- the wire taps the us wanted and got --- in the news paper you read they were on your home phone -- in the real world it was the connection to foreign country's that have Tye's to extremists -- i know you dont believe that they are tapping your phone -- we are at war and have been for quite a while, do i think all thats been done is ok ( no ) but they are not done, and its not over, if we leave with out the job we started in 92 finished we will be sorry -- jz

[Frosty]

I don't care if they're tapping Muhammad talking to Akmed or if they're tapping a 93yr old woman named Ethal talking to Bernadette about last nights bingo game :lol:

If they do it legally through the proper channels fine, but for the masses to have the "well if I'm doing anything wrong why should I care" attitude is downright scary.

[1972LT1]

I guess me comparing the radical muslims directly to the radical christians was slightly off. no, radical christians dont fly planes into buildings. they do however follow their religion word for word and openly hate anyone who doesnt believe what they do (other religions and gays as an example). the radical muslims are the same way, except they believe that if you die doing good for your religion that you'll go to heaven. its almost like a free pass to them and they take the opportunity.

Radical Muslims suicide bomb, radical Christians bomb abortion clinics....Murder is wrong in every religion unless it's in the name of god

[1972LT1]

and you dont think that has anything to do with a corrupt justice system?

*edit* you're stupid if you believe the justice system is even halfway close to perfect.

It's not perfect,but it's all we have unless you have better idea.

[Jersey_TA]

I've been to almost every country in Europe and I've felt completely safe everywhere we went. The only places I have not felt safe is the 4 middle eastern coutries that I have been to. I am the farthest thing from being racist, just voicing my experiences. We get security briefings and intel about every country we fly into before and after we are there and let me tell you, they don't care what race you are. If you are american you're in danger of something happening to you.

I don't care what race you are, if you look suspicious to someone in security you're getting searched. Plain and simple. I'm not saying profiling is right or wrong. They both have pros and cons depending on who you talk to.

Just try to think of what this world would be like if the U.S. stayed out of everyone's affairs and let them fend for themselves like some countries are doing today. I personally believe the government needs to start trying to fix the problems this country has before it goes off trying to fix another country's.

We are at war in Iraq and against terrorism. Try to keep that in mind. I was deployed to Spain for an exercise for september 11th and was woken up in the middle of the day to be told that my country that I love and respect was under attack by cowards that took thousands of innocent lives....and for what? because they hated us? Because some coward that hides in a cave tells them to? I am never going to forget what those terrorists did to our nation that day.

[johnjzjz]

I've been to almost every country in Europe and I've felt completely safe everywhere we went. The only places I have not felt safe is the 4 middle eastern coutures that I have been to. I am the farthest thing from being racist, just voicing my experiences. We get security briefings and Intel about every country we fly into before and after we are there and let me tell you, they don't care what race you are. If you are American you're in danger of something happening to you.

I don't care what race you are, if you look suspicious to someone in security you're getting searched. Plain and simple. I'm not saying profiling is right or wrong. They both have pros and cons depending on who you talk to.

Just try to think of what this world would be like if the U.S. stayed out of everyone's affairs and let them fend for themselves like some countries are doing today. I personally believe the government needs to start trying to fix the problems this country has before it goes off trying to fix another country's.

We are at war in Iraq and against terrorism. Try to keep that in mind. I was deployed to Spain for an exercise for September Th and was woken up in the middle of the day to be told that my country that I love and respect was under attack by cowards that took thousands of innocent lives....and for what? because they hated us? Because some coward that hides in a cave tells them to? I am never going to forget what those terrorists did to our nation that day.

very well said -- First hand knowledge is and always will be the key too truth -- ( not what someone told someone ) -- that is not the same personal experience as being their and doing it -- Seeing is believing -- jz

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

I've been to almost every country in Europe and I've felt completely safe everywhere we went. The only places I have not felt safe is the 4 middle eastern coutures that I have been to. I am the farthest thing from being racist, just voicing my experiences. We get security briefings and Intel about every country we fly into before and after we are there and let me tell you, they don't care what race you are. If you are American you're in danger of something happening to you.

I don't care what race you are, if you look suspicious to someone in security you're getting searched. Plain and simple. I'm not saying profiling is right or wrong. They both have pros and cons depending on who you talk to.

Just try to think of what this world would be like if the U.S. stayed out of everyone's affairs and let them fend for themselves like some countries are doing today. I personally believe the government needs to start trying to fix the problems this country has before it goes off trying to fix another country's.

We are at war in Iraq and against terrorism. Try to keep that in mind. I was deployed to Spain for an exercise for September Th and was woken up in the middle of the day to be told that my country that I love and respect was under attack by cowards that took thousands of innocent lives....and for what? because they hated us? Because some coward that hides in a cave tells them to? I am never going to forget what those terrorists did to our nation that day.

very well said -- First hand knowledge is and always will be the key too truth -- ( not what someone told someone ) -- that is not the same personal experience as being their and doing it -- Seeing is believing -- jz

Yeah, I agree. Very well stated Rob.

[Knipps]

I was in Spain about to board an overnight train in the summer of 05 when we heard about the subway attacks in London..

that was discomforting but i could only imagine how much worse it would have been if i was in the middle east

[Ian]

Radical Muslims suicide bomb, radical Christians bomb abortion clinics....Murder is wrong in every religion unless it's in the name of god

so if I believe god wants me to bomb a preschool, thats okay?

I'm a little confused because murder is never okay.

[Frosty]

Radical Muslims suicide bomb, radical Christians bomb abortion clinics....Murder is wrong in every religion unless it's in the name of god

so if I believe god wants me to bomb a preschool, thats okay?

I'm a little confused because murder is never okay.

He's being sarcastic. He's saying that in every religion murder is wrong yet somehow it's ok if the murder is comitted in the name of God.

[qwikz28]

so if I believe god wants me to bomb a preschool, thats okay?

I'm a little confused because murder is never okay.

He's being sarcastic. He's saying that in every religion murder is wrong yet somehow it's ok if the murder is comitted in the name of God.

did you know, in Christianity, somebody actually made guidelines on how to wage a "holy war?" i'm not sure i buy it but i think its pretty damn interesting. (i think it was thomas aquinas now that i think of it actually)

edit: i was right, it was thomas aquinas: http://ethics.sandiego.edu/Books/Texts/Aquinas/JustWar.html

[Frosty]

Another wacky bastid. lol

[johnjzjz]

He's being sarcastic. He's saying that in every religion murder is wrong yet somehow it's ok if the murder is comitted in the name of God.

did you know, in Christianity, somebody actually made guidelines on how to wage a "holy war?" i'm not sure i buy it but i think its pretty damn interesting. (i think it was thomas aquinas now that i think of it actually)

edit: i was right, it was thomas aquinas: http://ethics.sandiego.edu/Books/Texts/Aquinas/JustWar.html

And that was happening at a time when the then Italians were throwing anyone how might have been Christian to the Lions ( Friday night at the arena )=== and now the pope lives their wow -- go figure -- jz

[Ian]

so if I believe god wants me to bomb a preschool, thats okay?

I'm a little confused because murder is never okay.

He's being sarcastic. He's saying that in every religion murder is wrong yet somehow it's ok if the murder is comitted in the name of God.

ah okay. I was hoping that was the case :lol:

[jola]

Profiling to an extent is ok. Arabs have been the most active terrorists as of late and they use public transportation as their means of destruction? Well then, ok, maybe keep an eye out for it at train stations, airports, blah blah. To sacrifice American ideals for safety, however, is ill-advised. I think it would be wise to keep in mind the fear of government that many, if not all, of our founding fathers had in mind when establishing this country. Giving up freedom for safety is a risky proposition. Those of you who encourage such actions have more faith in government then I do.

[Frosty]

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

So true, funny how a 231yr old quote can ring true in todays day and age.

[Ian]

ben franklin was a man wise beyond his years.

[Knipps]

yep.

Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to prosper.