I need some help here

[Rafterman]

This dude I work with has this little 1992 honda with a v-tech or w/e engine. he honestly thinks he could totally kill my trans am. I have a 1980 pace car but with a 350. i need an honest opinion to shut this ricer up. he says he is making 260 hp. i think i got about 300

[j0n]

is it all one color? and if so is that color primer?

[Rafterman]

???

[Mike]

if you have a stockish 1980 350, he probably has a shot.....then again he could be a moron...only one way to find out

[BonzoHansen]

What kind of Honda, and what transmission? Those 4cyl autos are dogs. But my old 93 Civic EX had a stick, was pretty light and had 4.10 gears with a high 1st gear. It took me lots of calling to get a new one when I broke it - the regular ones got different gearing. I had zero problems running against my pals's 305 3rd gen.

[GP99GT]

if he DOES have 260hp, expect to lose.

[BonzoHansen]

If he DOES have 260hp, expect to lose.
Fixed. That would be a big if, since a 92 Honda 4cyl was probably like 135 new.

[GP99GT]

and i dont think they had vtec in 92...so....its got a motor swap...and who knows what was done

there was a guy on anti-rice.com a few years ago, he had a 92 integra 4 door, only visible mods were intake/header/exhaust...ran 12.7. actually, he lives in NJ, me and alex talked to him a couple years ago at e-town...though the car was stolen about a month before we met him, chopped up, found a few weeks later in pieces.

[V]

..i dont do imports.. :shifty:

[Mike]

they had sohc vtec motors back then

[00sierra]

If he swaped in a dohc vtec they can run 13s easily, but theres alot of all motor guys running 11s and 12s, all depends what he has done. Most of them just have the bolt in swaps with exhaust and ****, but ya never know. I'm good friends with a kid who had an 11 sec hatch that was 3 or 4 different colors, its now all one color and running 10.4s just shy of 700whp.

If he really is making 260, then he deffinitly has some **** done to his car and will beat you

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

If he isnt lyin i say he def has you on the top end but there is only one way to find out

[Mike]

its now all one color and running 10.4s just shy of 700whp.



thats an acomplishment.....

[ChickenLittle]

the Prelude w/VTEC was about the only 'fast' Honda they had back then...with a good driver, they could crack 14.99s...other than that, mid to low 15s...

that TA...stock? he may have a shot IF he has THAT Honda and it's in tip-top shape...

[ChickenLittle]

wait...you say you have about 300hp? i guess it's not stock then, lol...you should take him...

[Mike]

hes also talking about a not stock honda motor if its making 260, and with the honda being lighter (most likely) its not so clear cut...

but since he hasnt posted any information on his car, or the other one other than pillowcase dyno numbers /thread untill we get results.

[ChickenLittle]

hes also talking about a not stock honda motor if its making 260, and with the honda being lighter (most likely) its not so clear cut...

but since he hasnt posted any information on his car, or the other one other than pillowcase dyno numbers /thread untill we get results.

yeah, i was just re-reading all of the post and realizing he said 260 horse in a Honda...

sheit, that's a recipe for a whoopin if he isn't packin heat.

there isn't enough info on either car to render any sort of valid opinion, sorry, i hafta take back what i said, lol

[Batman]

I think you can take him from a stop (assuming he uses street tires) but he would lay ahurtin on you from a roll.

[Rafterman]

Heres the deal. Hes says he has 260 in his car with the front wheel drive. He is a crappy driver and he has **** tires with an even ****tier exhast. He can't decide which one of his cars he wants to keep casue he is always tradin. he claims to be pulling off 12 or 13's on the track while my car does about high 10's to low 11's. now i haven't seen his car in action (I seen it idiling)but i sounds completely riced ( including the classic "NOS" sticker,yet, you guessed it, he has none.) My car has 300 HP with the 350 engine then a 150 nitrous pack. so over all 450. I got a sweet exhast system and eagle GT tires. sorry for not mentioning it before. I also have rear wheel drive.maybe this will help

[V]

my car does about high 10's to low 11's..... My car has 300 HP with the 350 engine then a 150 nitrous pack. so over all 450.... and eagle GT tires.

hate to break it to you, but you dont have a 10second car. IF you did, no street driven civic would worry you. An ls1 car with 325 and a 150 shot is maybe mid 11's. Plus without drag radials and your eagle GT tires, i highly doubt you could put that "450" hp to any decent use and run anything better than a mid 12.

[Rafterman]

i don't use the same tires i drag with as normal drive to work tires. i have drag radials but i'm saying when i race this guy i won't be using them. as far as a civic worring me, I just asked the question what would win.

[Squirrel]

wait...so what kind of times do you actually run?..a 260whp civic can be deep in the 11's

[V]

...yea.. i'm throwing down the BS card on this one...

...went from "think i got 300hp" to "450rwhp", turbo dual exhast, nitrous pack, etc... sorry, but dont come in here thinking we are a bunch of gullible morons, its insulting. Oh, and being 16 years old is a nice touch too.

[Rafterman]

i guess since your older means you know SOOO much more about cars than i do huh? like i said. the thing i said was when i race him i am going to have 300 hp. im not using nitrous since he has none and we agreed to have non. then you told me i could not run 10s or 11s so then i gave you the way i drag. so instead of trying to rip my story to shreads, why not just go with what you see im saying and try to help. you and I both have nothing to prove. i just asked for help. its not like i came in here saying i could beat your car did i? did i say i could beat anyone in here? no, i just wanted an opinion. when i race him i'm going to have eagle GT, turbo exhast, and 300 to the wheels. and he says he has 260 to the wheels with street wheels. now, do you know the answer or what. thats all i want to know:drool:

[Tru2Chevy]

Can you give us details on the setup of your car? To just say that you have 300 hp to the wheels and you spray a 150 shot and run 10s is a very general statement, and kinda far-fetched (though not necessarily impossible). Does the car have any passes with this 300 hp motor and no spray? What ET and MPH did it run?

Your profile says that you are 16 and that you live in NJ, which means that you don't have a license, and therefor haven't raced at any of the 3 dragstrips in this state (and most likely not any other state either). Did someone else race the car for you?

I'm not trying to start any trouble, just trying to get you to explain yourself better so that others won't jump on your back thinking that you are lying.

- Justin

[Rafterman]

it was originally my dads so i know the numbers he ran. it's jsut weird how i wanted to ask a question and people just wanna jump all over me casue im 16 and i have an okay car. im not sure what the numbers are with the eagles casue he used them for street and i only know the drag times.

[Tru2Chevy]

it was originally my dads so i know the numbers he ran. it's jsut weird how i wanted to ask a question and people just wanna jump all over me casue im 16 and i have an okay car. im not sure what the numbers are with the eagles casue he used them for street and i only know the drag times.

People jumped on you because you were saying that you had 300 hp plus a 150 shot and the car ran 10s. That implies that you raced it, which you cannot legally do. Since you didn't explain yourself, people assumed that you were lying, and they got on your case for it.

Can't really make a prediction anyway since we really don't know much of anything about either car.

- Justin

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

People jumped on you because you were saying that you had 300 hp plus a 150 shot and the car ran 10s. That implies that you raced it, which you cannot legally do. Since you didn't explain yourself, people assumed that you were lying, and they got on your case for it.

Can't really make a prediction anyway since we really don't know much of anything about either car.

- Justin

Word!

[Knipps]

People jumped on you because you were saying that you had 300 hp plus a 150 shot and the car ran 10s. That implies that you raced it, which you cannot legally do. Since you didn't explain yourself, people assumed that you were lying, and they got on your case for it.

Can't really make a prediction anyway since we really don't know much of anything about either car.

- Justin

Word!

+1
:popcorn:

&& justin, quote inside a quote isn't working right

[Tru2Chevy]

+1
:popcorn:

&& justin, quote inside a quote isn't working right

Poo....I may have forgotten to reinstall it after upgrading to 3.6.4.....I'll check this afternoon and fix it.

- Justin

[Batman]

my car does about high 10's to low 11's
:orlyflag:
You may want to re-think that unless you are talking 1/8 miles or have alot of weight reduction or more mods then you are saying. I'm not trying to bust your balls but a full weight 2nd gen is going to probably need 550-600 horse to hit 10's.

[Squirrel]

plus its a late 2nd gen (???)...youre starting off with a 17 maybe 16 second car, more than likely the former though, which is right where a stock civic would run

[V]

I just find it interesting how you can pull numbers out of mid air... the TA is not a 10 sec car and has never seen tens, especially with the 301 it previously had, and since you put the 350 in it, i doubt daddy raced it for you. And btw, yes you are a liar.. somehow. you are either 16, or 26 since you claim to be both on different places on the web. You also claim to be from jackson nj, i wonder if anyone on the board from there has seen/not seen your car(s) around. You also seem to ask WAY too much about what others think you car will beat in a race. Your lack of proper spelling and use of improper terms, aka nitrous pack, leads me to believe you are a kid and you dont know what you are talking about. So in that case, yes i do know a whole lot more than you. You also claim you own a '07 denali... interesting. get off the web, get a real life, learn some real stuff about cars then come back. Wayfast84 can do more/better work on a car than you probably. You might as well own a 77 grand prix or some crap like that.

So stop with the BS and people wont "jump" on you. /thread

[Rafterman]

1. I have the bird and my dads got the denali and the 68 bird( i'll get you some pictures tomorrow)

2. you still didn't mention, why did you have to start stuff, why couldn't you have just answered regardless of what you thought.

3. And btw, yes you are a liar.. somehow. ( i see your maturity bypasses my by far.)

really ss. do you have something against me? like i said before, i never was talking **** about you, and I'll call the parts on my car what ever the hell I want. and you say "get off the web, and get a life"? I'm not the one combing the web to find a person with the sreen name rafterman just so I can come on and make my self look like more of an ass by "throwing down the BS card". truthfully, I rele don't need to explain ANYTHING to you. but I'll take timeout of my day so i can try and make you look uninformed instead of a dick. and as for i ask WAYto many questions about who can beat whom, I have asked about a 66 t-bird and now this. also, what does wayfast84 have to do with this? I think you need to take a deep breath and get your thoughts together before you start talking **** about other people.:bunny:

[WayFast84]

mang

i wish i still had my nitrous pack!!

[Rafterman]

of all the bad things that happen in the world, GOD FORBID I call a nitrous kit a...nitrous pack :omg:

[WayFast84]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a286/Wayfast84/2066299_119_full.jpg


im not kidding, what pack do you have?


edit

i had the eddelbrock nx nos stage 6 pack

[Rafterman]

sniper nitrous system,the powershot one

stage one i guess?

[WayFast84]

nah I had like 6 stages.

I had to return it cause it stopped working, the company said i had a 10 ib bottle, i weighed it and it wasnt 10 ibs so i got my money back.

I got a camshaft for it, i cant use it though, it was like $450 if u want to win, this cam will give u like 10-30 hp depending on ur heads, ill sell it to u for $400!!!

[Rafterman]

30 = 400
150 = 500

its alright,you keep it:nod:

[WayFast84]

Do you have a 1998-02 Firebird, with trans am badges?? I sware, you are just as dumb as Fbodyfirebird!!

[WildBillyT]

nah I had like 6 stages.

I had to return it cause it stopped working, the company said i had a 10 ib bottle, i weighed it and it wasnt 10 ibs so i got my money back.



My brain is bleeding out my ears.:shock: Please tell me you are just messing around.


Rafterman, we need some real specs. As in what's on the car as it sits. Don't bother with numbers or anything like that... a list of parts will do fine since most of us can guess where you are at reasonably well. Nothing personal, but WAY too many people come onto these boards pulling numbers out of their ass. :mrgreen:

We can start with some basics:

1.) Chevy or Pontiac 350?
2.) Carb?
3.) Manifold?
4.) Headers?
5.) Camshaft?
6.) Transmission/Torque converter stall speed if it's auto?
7.) Rear axle ratio? Positraction/Limited slip differential?
8.) Tire brand and size?

[BonzoHansen]

My brain is bleeding out my ears.:shock: And I was enjoying the insane ramblings of 2 knuckleheads who combined are Jeff's age. :lol:

[WildBillyT]

And I was enjoying the insane ramblings of 2 knuckleheads who combined are Jeff's age. :lol:

I am hoping Wayfast is joking about that nitrous thing. Really.

[Knipps]

I am hoping Wayfast is joking about that nitrous thing. Really.

sadly, i don't think so

[WayFast84]

I am hoping Wayfast is joking about that nitrous thing. Really.

:lol: I was.

hey rafterman, In your sig picture, is that some kind of a fancy trailer home in the back?

[V]

hahahahaha you quoted me in your sig, that is hilarious.
To be honest, ok so i was a bit harsh at first, but its all too common to see a newb show up and start bragging before even letting others know the car or showing us that you know what you're talking about. Matt went through it and learned the hard way, lol, but now hes much more accepted. Just give us specs of your car, exact sizes of parts etc, and we'll giev you an honest answer.

As for the honda, if hes putting down 260whp, thats one fast import, and with a heavy 2nd gen, i woudl put my money on him.

[r0nin89]

Despight my lacking of involvment anymore throughout my few months of research I found that... 300whp in a gen1 motor fbody car is: ta da a mid to low 13. As already said a civic is much lighter making less power worth more...

Seeing as how your car probably weighs in around 3400 or 3500 pounds and his at 2100 (1800 if its a hatch) means that with the same rwhp hes running 0.8-1.2 seconds faster than you. Like everyone said give some specs on your motor, trans, rear. If hes steep geared and your running little comuter car 2.73's then that also makes a huge difference. Chances are hes a tuner boy and drives a stick (I would hope) which means that if your car is auto (without a kit/converter) hes got you off the line not even factoring in gears. See theres so many more things to it that, I'm 300whp hes 260whp who wins?

As far as your comment about nitrous vs cam and money equally horse thats a stupid comparison. I'm pretty sure that $400 cam which is probably really $250 is a much better investment than a go fast for 3 seconds button. Internals>nitrous always...

btw what is a turbo exhaust? Are you talking about a remote mount turbo system that replaces your muffler with a turbo? Is that factored into your claims for rwhp? Is your motor tuned to prevent turbo lag? Have you taken into accout the period where you only have say 200hp because your turbo isnt spooled?

This is all coming from someone who knows a grain of sand of knowledge compared to the beaches these guys are ready to dump on your around here...

[WayFast84]

rafter, i almost forgot does your car have a cage? what saftey equipment was installed to run low 11's to high tens

ronin

car weighs more then 3400. and infact the cam was 450.

[WildBillyT]

rafter, i almost forgot does your car have a cage? what saftey equipment was installed to run low 11's to high tens

ronin

car weighs more then 3400. and infact the cam was 450.

I wasn't going to say it 8-) , but now that the cat's out of the bag-

It sure doesn't look like there is a roll bar in the pic. Some tracks will let you slide if you run slightly under 11.49, but a 10.xx will have you bounced. You will get to run it- once.

[r0nin89]

Hot damn thats an expensive Gen1 cam... Custom grind I hope. Really those 2nd gens are more than a 3rd? I would have guess them to be around the same. Now I know hes even more screwed...

[WayFast84]

http://www.compperformancegroupstores.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CC&Product_Code=K12-262-4

it has everything though :)

[V]

check this out....

http://www.transamtech.com/80_pacecar.shtml

just so we all know, the pic in his sig is not his car....

and im not trying to be an ass anymore, lol. just making something clear because the whole cage issue came up in regards to that pic...

[r0nin89]

I dont think this even needs to be argued anymore. Btw guys I have an 2200rwp 64 Camaro with a blown, remote quad turbo'd, 400 shot juice, 800ci Super Duper Big Block...

[Rafterman]

ok. i have a chevy 350, 4bbl carb, dual plane intake manifold, 64cc vortec cast iron cylinder heads, dual pattern camshaft, never noticed any stall, 2.56:1, and P245/60R15 goodyear eagle GT tires. the exhast i am talking about is a flowmaster true duel exhaust system.(turbo and dual got me mixed up) it really doesn't matter what they're gonna unload on me. im just here to talk about cars and talk with some people who know them. not be tested everytime i make a thread. so there it is.

and thank you ss for pointing that out. my avatar is my actual one. i was lead to believe my tran am ran high tens. and you guys forgot something. for me to be running tens would mean i would also need a parachute becuase i would be going over 150mph. see a parachute? i don't. just cause im 16 doesn't mean i don't know my cars or engines. guess you guys really pulled one over on me...

[Rafterman]

Do you have a 1998-02 Firebird, with trans am badges?? I sware, you are just as dumb as Fbodyfirebird!!
well wayfast, i'm so happy you got your ****s and giggles out before the big boys started talking. returned it huh? 10ibs huh? WOW, YOUR LUCKY. hell, with that kinda of attitude and the power your OBVIOSLY pushing, you would beat me if two sparkplugs fell out.

[V]

mid-lows tens are usually in the 130mph range

[Rafterman]

i'm not even gonna bother.my specs are up there, im done with this thread

[WildBillyT]

ok. i have a chevy 350, 4bbl carb, dual plane intake manifold, 64cc vortec cast iron cylinder heads, dual pattern camshaft, never noticed any stall, 2.56:1, and P245/60R15 goodyear eagle GT tires. the exhast i am talking about is a flowmaster true duel exhaust system.(turbo and dual got me mixed up) it really doesn't matter what they're gonna unload on me. im just here to talk about cars and talk with some people who know them. not be tested everytime i make a thread. so there it is.

and thank you ss for pointing that out. my avatar is my actual one. i was lead to believe my tran am ran high tens. and you guys forgot something. for me to be running tens would mean i would also need a parachute becuase i would be going over 150mph. see a parachute? i don't. just cause im 16 doesn't mean i don't know my cars or engines. guess you guys really pulled one over on me...

I don't mean to test you. I'm just curious. To me it looks like you will have somewhere around 325 at the flywheel. Due to your gears I'd say high 13s, given that your suspension is in good shape and is properly set up. The race between the Honda and you will be a toss up. Dump your awful ring and pinion set and you'd be in much better shape.

You will not need a chute when you are running 10s. 9.99 or over 150.

[00sierra]

If you really want to have fun, forget the civic....I'll be more than happy to race you in my pickup......seriously

[Knipps]

If you really want to have fun, forget the civic....I'll be more than happy to race you in my pickup......seriously

haha here we go...

[j0n]

haha here we go...

:stupid: u should go for it raptor...its just a 9000lb pickup...

[j0n]

nah I had like 6 stages.

I had to return it cause it stopped working, the company said i had a 10 ib bottle, i weighed it and it wasnt 10 ibs so i got my money back.

I got a camshaft for it, i cant use it though, it was like $450 if u want to win, this cam will give u like 10-30 hp depending on ur heads, ill sell it to u for $400!!!

LMFAO OMG wayfast made a funny!!! :rofl:

[Mike]

i cant belive i missed all this, but i have nothing to add since he was OWNED BY WAYFAST.

your officially the biggest douchebag on njfboa if not the entire internet. go back to trying to talk to 11 year old girls in chatrooms and give your dad back the keys to his "tta" with a 350.

people like you are why all the younger crowd gets treated the way they do.

[Savage_Messiah]

:threadsu:

[r0nin89]

Hmmm... You're running 2.56's in the back? You still didnt mention if its auto or stick that I could see. With 2.56 you might as well lay down and give up seeing as how a stick civic will outlaunch you geared that high. You like 800rpm's at 65 in 4th? If theres one thing I've learned from my truck its go out and buy 4.11's because they dont kill your highway that bad at all. Got 4.56's in my truck and can still blast 80 down the parkway.

[BonzoHansen]

:threadsu:What he said.

[WildBillyT]

Hmmm... You're running 2.56's in the back? You still didnt mention if its auto or stick that I could see. With 2.56 you might as well lay down and give up seeing as how a stick civic will outlaunch you geared that high. You like 800rpm's at 65 in 4th? If theres one thing I've learned from my truck its go out and buy 4.11's because they dont kill your highway that bad at all. Got 4.56's in my truck and can still blast 80 down the parkway.

Yes, but do you have an overdrive trans? If your OD gear has a ratio of .75 your 4.56's act like 3.42s.

[Tru2Chevy]

Hmmm... You're running 2.56's in the back? You still didnt mention if its auto or stick that I could see. With 2.56 you might as well lay down and give up seeing as how a stick civic will outlaunch you geared that high. You like 800rpm's at 65 in 4th? If theres one thing I've learned from my truck its go out and buy 4.11's because they dont kill your highway that bad at all. Got 4.56's in my truck and can still blast 80 down the parkway.

Yes, but do you have an overdrive trans? If your OD gear has a ratio of .75 your 4.56's act like 3.42s.

Not to mention the fact that your truck has much taller tires than an F-body, thus taking away more gear.....

- Justin

[r0nin89]

Yesir I know thats what I have the gears so steep for. Its a 5speed stick so yeah theres an OD gear but it still cruises very well in 4th. Whats the equation to figure that btw? Just 4.56 times OD?

[Tru2Chevy]

Whats the equation to figure that btw? Just 4.56 times OD?

http://www.f-body.org/gears/

- Justin

[Savage_Messiah]

**** this

wanna race a v6? ;)

[ar0ck]

**** this

wanna race a v6? ;)

I would race this man, his car looks like a heap! It can't be fast!

...wow

[qwikz28]

well i was driving alone when i was 16... but im from NY ;)

:threadsu:

actually kasey, you suck

[deadtrend1]

stupid work keeping me in NYC for a week and I missed all this fun happy stuff. AHHHHH!!!

[WildBillyT]

...his car looks like a heap! It can't be fast!



Famous last words...

True in this case, but not always.

[ar0ck]

Just being sarcastic ;-)

Kasey knows Im messing with him. We never had a chance to even run even on the highway, which is should change just for fun.

[NJSPEEDER]

way off topic

/thread