How about them Cowgirls!

[JL8Jeff]

And we thought the Giants sucked! The NFC East is so lousy this year it's pathetic. But 2 and maybe 3 of the teams might still make the playoffs. :huh:

[qwikz28]

first of all jeff... the giants still suck more. the cowgirls suck but are nowhere nearly as bad as those cowfags... both teams need better QBs. eli manning is mad weaksauce

[NJSPEEDER]

Eli is a good NFL QB. maybe if he had more than 2 seconds to get rid of the ball or a receiver that could get open people woudl get to see that. giants need an O-line, a running back, to throw barber into the hudson so he will finally shut his average mouth, and an offensive coordinator that knows what a football looks like much more than they need a new QB.

[LS1Hawk]

Eli is a good NFL QB. maybe if he had more than 2 seconds to get rid of the ball or a receiver that could get open people woudl get to see that. giants need an O-line, a running back, to throw barber into the hudson so he will finally shut his average mouth, and an offensive coordinator that knows what a football looks like much more than they need a new QB.

I agree. I'm a Giant's fan all the way, but I've gotten so disgusted with the team. Shockey, Burress, Barber, these guys all run their mouths off pointing blame, then when it comes to game time are dropping passes, missing routes, or just giving up. Eli is as good as he can be with what he has. Can you name another NFL QB right now that has put up with the crap he does? A wide receiver who stops running in the middle of a play? A TE that throws his arms up and down if he's over/under thrown, but when Eli puts one on his numbers it slips through his hands? Eli's the only one on the team that seems to have class right now.

[BonzoHansen]

All I know is these idiots are letting the Packers back into the playoffs. :)

[qwikz28]

I agree. I'm a Giant's fan all the way, but I've gotten so disgusted with the team. Shockey, Burress, Barber, these guys all run their mouths off pointing blame, then when it comes to game time are dropping passes, missing routes, or just giving up. Eli is as good as he can be with what he has. Can you name another NFL QB right now that has put up with the crap he does? A wide receiver who stops running in the middle of a play? A TE that throws his arms up and down if he's over/under thrown, but when Eli puts one on his numbers it slips through his hands? Eli's the only one on the team that seems to have class right now.

the giants have one of the best D-lines in the game... i actually disagree with you on his pass protection cause a good QB would be able to get rid of the ball by the time he has... he relies to much on the rush. oh well, maybe i just hate the giants :shrug:

[NJSPEEDER]

find me a QB that can complete a 3step drop and get rid of the ball in the 1.8 seconds that Eli had on a few plays and i will show you a QB that isn't as good as he is used to his crappy line.
the giants whole offense is centered around an average back with a big mouth(tiki) and a very talented QB with no time to throw or open receivers to pass to. how many times can you see eli get hurryed when the defense is dropping 6 or 7 guys into pass coverage and not think that line is horrible?

[slasherbarb]

find me a QB that can complete a 3step drop and get rid of the ball in the 1.8 seconds that Eli had on a few plays and i will show you a QB that isn't as good as he is used to his crappy line.
the giants whole offense is centered around an average back with a big mouth(tiki) and a very talented QB with no time to throw or open receivers to pass to. how many times can you see eli get hurryed when the defense is dropping 6 or 7 guys into pass coverage and not think that line is horrible?the o-line for the giants is horrible this year, as they are almost every year, but mainly because of injuries...when 3 of your starting 5 linemen are out, it makes the job a lot harder...plus they lost arrington and strahan on defense, two players who were playing awesome this year till they got hurt, plus umenyiora was out for a while and still hasnt been the same...plus the giants made ALOT of mistakes this year (leading the league in personal fouls, stupid turnovers, etc.)...the giants have one of the best running backs, but to center an offense around him is stupid and makes the defense's job a whole lot easier...so there is no one reason that the giants aren't playing well right now...they are a team, they win as a team, they lose as a team...and miraculously they are still in playoff contention...

[NJSPEEDER]

an NFL caliber 2nd string player should be at least serviceable. the giants back ups have failed to do that.
having an offense that spins everything off the running game isn't a bad idea, most of the NFL does it actually. but with that line and the ability level a tiki it was a mistake to even consider.
the defense was crushed by injuries. their original starting 11 haven't been on the field together since the 2nd play of pre-season. add to that all the mental mistakes that result from trying to make up for an impotent offense and the result will be lots of penalties and so much time on the field that they are too worn out to do anything in the 4th quarter.
i am sure there will be a new coach to blame next year when the same old giant problems arise.

[LS1Hawk]

i am sure there will be a new coach to blame next year when the same old giant problems arise.

Tell me about it. We can keep hiring and firing head coaches, but there comes a point when the players have to be held accountable for their stupid mistakes.

[NJSPEEDER]

or at least leave a coach in long enough to prove it is his fault.
so many teams have one guy trying to coach his way with players hired the way some money man sees the talent needs, and the boss is some rich guy who knows little/nothing about professional football and fires them both after one or two rough seasons.
needs an example of how to make things work, pittsburgh has had the fewest coaches of any team in nfl history even though most of the teams have only been around half as long. the result, 5 superbowls in one of the smallest market and lowest budget organizations around.