gauging interest- a 77' Firebird and a 350

[98tadriver]

EDIT- 1977 T/A, auto, hardtop, some rust on the body and rear subframes rusted, im sure they are fixable, would need some building up possibly. no motor or trans in it, basically a roller. will find out what else it does/does not have. I'll be picking it up within the next couple weeks and also have title. i will get pics as soon as i get the car

EDIT- 350 engine, looks to be complete, not seized, 3970014 is the block casting number if i remember correctly. will throw that in with the car if you buy it. pics down below of page. since it would need some work, $500obo for the car, just throwin a price out there. will have better pics in a few days, i couldnt find my digital camera so i had to use my video camera

[JW]

Is this the car i was talking to you about Ron?

JW :D

[98tadriver]

Is this the car i was talking to you about Ron?

JW :D

Negative, but i should really check that one out too, and the other one thats like 5 miles from me in the other direction.

[Untamed]

Interested but I'd need to sell my 88TA first.

When you get the car in please send some general pics of the body and interior to: samael@earthlink.net

I try to do most of the work myself so the less complicated the restore, the better. I can work with Paul R. on an engine replacement.

Thanks.

[camaro2you]

Is this the car i was talking to you about Ron?

JW :D


Ok you two know me well enough that u know u cant leave me out so come on...

[98tadriver]

Untamed;300683]Interested but I'd need to sell my 88TA first.
When you get the car in please send some general pics of the body and interior to: samael@earthlink.net
will do


Ok you two know me well enough that u know u cant leave me out so come on...

hahaha u know it

[NJSPEEDER]

hit me up as soon as you get that TA. i definately wanna get a look at it.

[98tadriver]

im going to find out when his friend is taking the car out of there to pull the motor/trans out and will try to get some pics of it for yall'

[98tadriver]

pics coming tonight

[98tadriver]

here they are

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/77TA9.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/77TA8.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/77TA7.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/77TA6.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/77TA5.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/77TA4.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/77ta3.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/77TA2.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/77TA1.jpg

[BonzoHansen]

Man, might not be a bad project car. Full tilt rip down needed. I don't think it is a TA.

[Untamed]

That appears to be a base 77-78 Firebird.

Unfortunately thats beyond my skill. Probably affordable, but beyond what I could do.

Good luck!

[98tadriver]

Man, might not be a bad project car. Full tilt rip down needed. I don't think it is a TA.

Ill find out for sure when i get the title

[NJSPEEDER]

a little research is pointing towards it most likely being a base car with a V8 option. although, as far as i know it was only the T/A's that got the bird on the sail panel.
98t/adriver, hit me up when you get the title. i really wanna get a look at that car when i am back from my adventures in the north.

[98tadriver]

will do!

[dan]

100% def not a t/a
no fender vents, ...has firebird emblem on the fender, (base birds DID get the sail panel bird..it was an optional appearance thing) trans ams DID NOT EVER come with dummy lights..they all had full gauge instrumentation, that car however has no tach....pic is bad and i cant tell if its just the overgrown clock, or if its the 3 dummy lights..
in any case..just a regular base model bird...and not worth much more then the price of scrap....especially with that much rust
before i get flamed i'm just tring to be helpful and honest and inform him on the car...so blah..

[BonzoHansen]

Dan , I generally agree. Would a title even matter? TA is a trim package, not a model. All the title has is the vin. Anything else it says doesn't really count.

[WayFast84]

how much do you want?

[NJSPEEDER]

the protecto plate on the firewall will explain all the trims and options. the title may or may not say firebird/trans am/formula, depends hwo things were filled out when the car was first registered. the lazier the first person to register the car was, the less accurate the description will be

[98tadriver]

Yeah, im brining it home tomorrow, so i will have more pics of this "terrible rustbucket" "thats not even worth restoring" (which it could very well be) oh yes i know what people say behind my back. its ok though. :)

[BonzoHansen]

Yeah, im brining it home tomorrow, so i will have more pics of this "terrible rustbucket" "thats not even worth restoring" (which it could very well be) oh yes i know what people say behind my back. its ok though. :):rofl:

Hey, I said might not be a bad project car.

[98tadriver]

i know what you said, youre ok there. "they" know what im talking about. but i dont wanna go off onto a different topic.. Ill have the car tomorrow and get more detailed pics :)

[dan]

it is a rust bucket, and isn't worth restoring...i've had more then enough of them to judge that fact...
that car is barely worth scrap value

[98tadriver]

it is a rust bucket, and isn't worth restoring...i've had more then enough of them to judge that fact...
that car is barely worth scrap value


I think I'll be ok, im up to date on my tetanus shots. And as far as scrap value goes, 8.00/100lbs for cars is pretty darn good. PLus i have alot of **** around the yard to throw in there if that's gonna be the case. So as you can see, i make money either way. BRINGIN HER HOME TODAY!

[maroman88]

any car is worth restoring IMO, hell with the money i have into the 88 i could have a C5 and its not even close to done :evil:

[dan]

i didnt say it wasn't worth anything in scrap..i said it was barely worth scrap value as a car...i didnt say it wasn't worth anything in scrap form
that thing will need more to get it even close to upto snuff then it would be worth
and like i said above..i'm not trying to be a dick..just dont want to see anyone get into a project thats a lost cause....also..if you end up scrapping it...i'd bet you could at least find afew pieces on there to throw on ebay so you could make out quite well
good luck to you on what ya do ith it and i wish teh best to whoever may attempt to fix that thing up

[98tadriver]

No project is a lost cause, and why would you worry about other people anyway? its their choice as far as what they want to do with the car. Most of us are grown-ups here that can make their own decisions. ANywayits home, but weather is sh!tty, i'll get pics of it when its not raining out. i didnt check the weather, so i dunno when that will be. BTW, im not trying to be a douchebag or anything either. (and no im not calling anyone a douchebag out of context!)

[transmaro93]

haah did you just call him a doucshbag out of context... anyway if i was you and you really have your heart set on this car go look em up an see what they are selling for cuase the car is only worth 10 grand when your done and you spent 25 grand.... thats not a good thing there is so many cars out there cause that car is a hell of alota work... with that said its a base firebird so you can do with it what you want.... tub it out or what ever ya know its not gonna be like your choppen up some rare T/A that is worth so much being a factory resto... personally id rather do up a firebird rather than a t/a cause i know i dont want a factory car and otherwise itd be a waste of a good car.... good choice with the 77 tho... 77-78 are my fav's good luck with it what ever you do....( big block.... just an idea.. heheh)

[NJSPEEDER]

if you only worry about what the end result is worth when you are messing with cars you may as well give up and buy a honda now. at least then your car will get great mileage while it depreciates. lol

[Blacdout96]

here here on not worth the money, but you do it anyways. My camaro was estimate twice as much to repair then worth, but I did it anyways, and I look back on it today, I could of either put a nice down payment on an 06' Eclipse GT, or had my baby back...glad I stuck wiht the domestic. ive dumped alot of money into many of my rides and got almost nothing out of it in return, but you know what, i had fun doig it,thats all that matters. life is ment for fun, not money metters, moeny comes an goes, but your passion and hobby of something is part of what counts in life.

[BonzoHansen]

Investment or love, you decide....

[Blacdout96]

Investment or love, you decide....

Love hands down, screw he money, you burn it one way or another

[98tadriver]

just got home, should have pics up today

[98tadriver]

will have pics up within the hour!

[98tadriver]

pics and she had a lil more rust than what i thought since i actually got pics during the day. like i said the rear subframes were rusted, but anyways heres a buncha pics. If nobody is interested in the car as a whole, i can part what's left on it lol.

stock, flat hood is decent, trunk lid, sail panel, tail lights, rear bumper in surprsingly very good condition!
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/trunk2.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/trunk1.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/rust4.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/rust3.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/rust2.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/rust1.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/interior2.jpg
rear seats are decent, just need to be cleaned up!

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/interior1.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/door.jpg

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/headers1.jpg
1 matching pair, possibly 2 matching pairs of headers- one is circular port (top) other is oval port i guess (bottom)

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/headers2.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/98tadriver/headers3.jpg

also, a radiator out of it, looks to be good
driveshaft is also good!

350 SBC would be thrown in with car, from intake to pan, minus the distributor. if car is bought as a whole. if not ill sell it seperately. not seized or blown up.

[Blacdout96]

Man, I thought I was the only person to have subframes turn out like that on heir car. I used to own a 79, and it could of been a fixer upper, but never got round to it, and as soon as you knw it, it was too far for me. my subs looked just like that.

[BonzoHansen]

I may have interest in the door panels.

[WildBillyT]

Man, I thought I was the only person to have subframes turn out like that on heir car. I used to own a 79, and it could of been a fixer upper, but never got round to it, and as soon as you knw it, it was too far for me. my subs looked just like that.

Nope. You could push your finger through the old ones on my '69, and the ones on my old '78Z were destroyed at both front spring pockets.

The repair is not as bad as it would seem if they are only bad in the front. If you have a welder and cutouts from a donor car it's 2 or 3 days work.

[dan]

looks like a great parts car, if you part it, i'd buy the emblems from the fenders just to have..adn the lil bird on the dash bezel :)

[WayFast84]

HOW MUCH FOR THE WHOLE CAR!!!!!!!!!!

[98tadriver]

HOW MUCH FOR THE WHOLE CAR!!!!!!!!!!

well seeing shes got quite a bit of rust in the rear subframe and rust in other areas- $500 OBO

[WayFast84]

she doesnt run?

[98tadriver]

motor is out of the car. no trans either. my friend told me the motor is still good. motor sat for a couple years so it would most likely need to be freshened up. he swapped it out for another 350

[WayFast84]

it has a title correct? We need to work something out, i would hate to see this scrapped!!!!!

[98tadriver]

it has a title correct? We need to work something out, i would hate to see this scrapped!!!!!

not to cost myself a sale or anything, but u did see how badly rusted the rear subframe was, right?

[WayFast84]

yes, can you check the title to see if it is ruined. thanks

[BonzoHansen]

Matt, that is not a good starting spot for a project...and you already have a project...and you'll be hard pressed to get that back in parts value...and you say you can't afford a $20 book...it's 9:48AM, go to school....

[WayFast84]

Matt, that is not a good starting spot for a project...and you already have a project...and you'll be hard pressed to get that back in parts value...and you say you can't afford a $20 book...it's 9:48AM, go to school....

no school today, i dont want it for a current project, i want it for after this, I dont care about values. I just hate to see this get junked. :-x

[Untamed]

Matt, that is not a good starting spot for a project...and you already have a project...and you'll be hard pressed to get that back in parts value...and you say you can't afford a $20 book...it's 9:48AM, go to school....

... and you'd need to get it to your house from South Jersey
... and you'd need a place to put it
... and you need to finish the current project with whatever money you have
... and... you get the picture right?

[BonzoHansen]

no school today, i dont want it for a current project, i want it for after this, I dont care about values. I just hate to see this get junked. :-xLet it go...some things are not worth the effort...and you don't have the cash...

[Blacdout96]

Let it go...some things are not worth the effort...and you don't have the cash...

I second that, my 79 was to be my project car ,but after listing all the stuff just to get teh body back in good shape I almost crapped my pants ,so I put it on the back burner.....I wish I stil had it tho, so my answer is, if you think you could handle the task of those rear sub frames, more power to ya, but somethings are too far gone to rebuild, but then again, if your good wihta torch and a welder ,get that bitch and fix er' up bro.