Whats with kids/young adults nowadays?

[enRo]

Today I just got the news that yet another very good high school friend died last night... of yet another heroin overdose... This is one of a dozen thats died in the past 2 years that I've known/went to school with... its amazing that the people you dont realize do that kinda **** are the ones that die...

Then another very good friend of mine back in my senior year of high school, I never knew he did drugs, I knew he did maryjane here and there which is harmless compared to the lethal ones, but he took 'tainted' heroin and was in a coma for 2 years. He got outta the coma, he was put in a nursing home cuz he was pretty much a vegetable, and he died shortly after...

I seriously hope nobody here does that kinda ****, or your getting a smack upside the back of your head.

[Untamed]

After reading some of the stories on this board, it does raise the question. :P

[Knipps]

While i was still in HS there was a kid who came back from school and OD'd at a friend's house, i'm sure it wasn't intentional it's still really messed up.

people are still talking about him etc but the biggest thing right now is the ridiculous number of suicides

[V]

i have/had friends into all that stuff, its never good, lost a few even. In HS, i didnt have much of a group since i was kind of a "drifter" so the druggies and dealers kind of became my group. However i never got involved in it thank god, but some of those kids were my best friends and were truly good people. It is a shame to see people get hurt/die from drugs, but they know the risks, nothing is gonna change that. We do what we can and hope its enough.

[ar0ck]

They must be really bored out there?

[unstable bob gable]

Heroin is some nasty shiznit...

[NJSPEEDER]

the first few years after high school are when you will lose the most friends. it is tough and the only good you can hope to come from it is that the masses learn from the mistakes of the few.

[firehawk1120]

its a great way to clean up the gene pool... only the strong survive.

I'm sorry I have no sympathy for someone who willing puts that crap in there body.

[PBodyGT87]

Yeah, over the summer a very talented and brilliant girl that I went to highschool with was found dead in an abandoned crack house in trenton. She had a full scholarship to TCNJ, and they even offered to pay for her Rehab when they first discovered her problem. But she didn't make it all the way through and she dropped out of school, disappeared for about 7 months, missing, and then turned up dead. It's really terrible how people will waste their life away.

[BonzoHansen]

If there is any kind of increase (and I’m not sure there is, people have been screwing up since Adam), I really feel it is related to two things: Society doesn’t push responsibility anymore, and sheer boredom. I don’t keep up enough to know details, but I am sure I’ve lost a few. I know some that are on the edge.

One guy was a pretty good friend, but after years of trying to help him, getting him jobs, etc., I had to give up. I have a family & responsibilities and can’t be dragged down. He can’t keep a job and it sounds like he blew an inheritance on all sorts of bad drugs (especially between jobs). Of course, he has always blamed others or bad luck. Of course, most of his bad luck was self created. He refused to take any responsibility for his actions. He had a real nice 87 TA that now is just rotting behind a business. I tried to help him part it out last year, but then tried to push me for up front money. That is when I gave up.

I think boredom is an issue too. I read where a lot less kids have jobs then they used to, and don’t get involved in productive outside interests as much (scouting, church, sports, Camaro Clubs, etc.). My initial reaction is kids are bored. What is the old saying, idle hands are the devil’s tools? I got in a lot less trouble in HS & college because I had a job and liked the cash. Hell, even now, playing in the garage all the time keeps me from doing other stupid stuff, like hitting the bars and chasing skirts with my single pals. That is a big reason my wife lets me alone out here – at least she knows what I am doing (but not spending :angel: )

I am always shocked when I hear about kids getting high off cold medicine or spray paint cans or crazy stuff like that. I don’t get it. They must really be bored to sniff spray paint for kicks. Idiots.

You know what? Things happen. All you can do is be careful and not let them happen to you.

:2cents:

[JL8Jeff]

WTF? Nobody I went to school with had that bad of a drug problem and ended up killing themself somehow. We've lost some people from my class due to other normal things like brain tumors. Kids today don't have enough responsibility, their parents don't care and don't pay enough attention, computers do everything for them so they can't even spell or add, they play violent video games all day and they get almost everything handed to them so they will shut up. So I guess they also get bored, do drugs and kill themself. That's my grossly overexaggerated view of it. But I would like to see some proof that I'm wrong. :| If not, we're all in a lot of trouble.

[Knipps]

As a member of the young adult population i will say that a huge factor is boredom, i worked and that kept me out of trouble but the thing is that kids can't find things to do, everything costs so much money nowadays
one example is movie tickets at almost 10 a piece (then popcorn etc.)

kids really just get themselves into trouble because they just can't find something else to do

:2cents:

[79CamaroDiva]

to the older population, that says that it wasnt like that when they were kids, i'm curious as to what you did after school? was there a parent home when you got home? was there some form of horrible consequence if you got your ass in trouble?

today, kids are turned loose. in most cases there's two working parents and most kids are supposed to fend for themselves between 3-6pm or so, which is guaranteed to be when the most trouble occurs. i got myself into my share of trouble, but never anything like that, i always had (and in some cases still have) the fear of god instilled in me from my father, but a lot of kids today dont, their parents take an extremely passive way to bring the kids up.

[johnjzjz]

to the older population, that says that it wasnt like that when they were kids, i'm curious as to what you did after school? was there a parent home when you got home? was there some form of horrible consequence if you got your ass in trouble?

today, kids are turned loose. in most cases there's two working parents and most kids are supposed to fend for themselves between 3-6pm or so, which is guaranteed to be when the most trouble occurs. i got myself into my share of trouble, but never anything like that, i always had (and in some cases still have) the fear of god instilled in me from my father, but a lot of kids today dont, their parents take an extremely passive way to bring the kids up.

my youngest son nick at 15 /16 now 25 starting using, 5 rehabs 10 different jails, in state prison now 3 years --- one rehab i paid for 60Gs, and he has only been on the street not in a rehab or jail in the past 10 years -- 13 months -- he wants to be a junkie , and it is not a easy thing for the familys , We have his grave site picked out ( try doing that as a dad ) -- its all about them you dont count --- jz

[Koll]

Uh Oh. Koll needs a smack.
Try it and you are dead.

Also I dont blame the people who use the drugs (unless its their fault). I blame the person who cut said drug. They are the ****tard who didnt know what they were doing (or did know what they were doing) to make a bad batch of whatever drug.

[enRo]

Uh Oh. Koll needs a smack.
Try it and you are dead.


Figure of speech, n00b.

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

I think the year I graduated there were 5 people from my graduating class that OD'ed on O.C. One would think that the other 4 would realize the effects that it would have on them. The rest of the class in that year either got married or preg....I am the black sheep :)

[enRo]

I think the year I graduated there were 5 people from my graduating class that OD'ed on O.C.

Yea there were 2 of them just recently. I didnt know one of them, but I went to school with the other ones little bro. **** is dangerous if abused.... but pot is harmless, which I really dont give two ****s about, cuz I USED to do it a few times when I was a freshman in high school... i got outta the stage real fast... nothing more stupid than wasting money on something like that.

[firehawk1120]

after school I was involved in sport with my friends til about 6 then I had to go home, eat, shower and do my homework. On the weekend I would have homework to do then maybe go play basketball or football at the local park with friends. GO to a movie on friday, go down the shore in the summer time. We found things to do that didn't cost a lot of money.

Kids are spoiled these days everyone has cell phones, 100 shoes, 90 jeans it's ridiculous because they don't do anything to deserve these things. If my grades slipped i would get things taken away til they went back up not rewarded in hopes that now I would do better.

Both of my parents worked to so seeing that instilled a good work ethic in me it didn't make me blame them for not being home and cry out and act up to get attention. We are in a weak society of parents and then there are the liberal ******** that complain if a parent does take action either through hitting or some sort of punishment.



to the older population, that says that it wasnt like that when they were kids, i'm curious as to what you did after school? was there a parent home when you got home? was there some form of horrible consequence if you got your ass in trouble?

today, kids are turned loose. in most cases there's two working parents and most kids are supposed to fend for themselves between 3-6pm or so, which is guaranteed to be when the most trouble occurs. i got myself into my share of trouble, but never anything like that, i always had (and in some cases still have) the fear of god instilled in me from my father, but a lot of kids today dont, their parents take an extremely passive way to bring the kids up.

[WildBillyT]

They all need project cars. Then they won't have a pot to piss in, let alone money for drugs.

[BonzoHansen]

WTF? Nobody I went to school with had that bad of a drug problem and ended up killing themself somehow. So they are just not dead yet, although my guess is you just don't know. I'm lucky to know where 20% of my school peers are today – it was 18 years ago. But there are definitely people you went to school with who have drug dependencies. BTW, prescriptions count. And booze is a drug.

[WayFast84]

Sorry to here about your freind's.

They all need project cars. Then they won't have a pot to piss in, let alone money for drugs.

DING DING DING!!

honestly, If I didnt have a project car, I would be dead or real close to it. :shock:

[maroman88]

yea i got my car when i was 15, and a job just after that, i could never afford any kind of drugs, i could always think of sumthin for my car instead. i had my first steady GF when i was 14 n i spent most of the time with her she lived like 3 houses away, after her i hung out with kids n we loved to **** up this one kids house all the time lol. then they got into drugs and i got my current GF and all i do now is work and go to school and if im lucky i work on the cars.

[BonzoHansen]

Cars & girls..the things that drain the teenage wallet. :)

[Knipps]

Cars & girls..the things that drain the teenage wallet. :)

:werd:

[shane27]

drugs are stupid, and mj isnt a drug its an herb

[Knipps]

drugs are stupid, and mj isnt a drug its an herb

:stupid:
yeah ok, and what would you call peyote?

[Koll]

:stupid:
yeah ok, and what would you call peyote?

What about Salvia?
That is a legal mind altering substance, that is stronger than Pot, Shrooms and most hits of acid, yet its still legal.

[Knipps]

What about Salvia?
That is a legal mind altering substance, that is stronger than Pot, Shrooms and most hits of acid, yet its still legal.

i didn't say anything about legality, peyote technically isn't illegal

[PBodyGT87]

Well, if it wasn't for potheads, my car wouldn't be totalled right now. And another thing, it alters your DNA. Thinking about having kids when you're older? They might end up with down-syndrome.

[Knipps]

Well, if it wasn't for potheads, my car wouldn't be totalled right now. And another thing, it alters your DNA. Thinking about having kids when you're older? They might end up with down-syndrome.

that's 1/2 right?
damages DNA in cells (like tobacco) but has nothing to do w/ down's syndrome

[79CamaroDiva]

that's 1/2 right?
damages DNA in cells (like tobacco) but has nothing to do w/ down's syndrome

no. shes completely right. weed damages the dna on your reproductive cells permanently. the chances that you conceive a child with the damaged dna are slim, but the more you smoke the more it damages..

[Knipps]

no. shes completely right. weed damages the dna on your reproductive cells permanently. the chances that you conceive a child with the damaged dna are slim, but the more you smoke the more it damages..

no luck on :google:

links?

down's syndrome doesn't come from damaged DNA
it's the result of nondisjunction in metaphase when the reproductive cells divide
bio 151 FTW

[79CamaroDiva]

no luck on :google:

links?

down's syndrome doesn't come from damaged DNA
it's the result of nondisjunction in metaphase when the reproductive cells divide
bio 151 FTW

this isnt something from the intra web.. its from high school.. might actually have to look in a :gasp: book for it.

down's syndrome is caused by an extra chromosome.. by having 47 instead of 46. you probably should have googled that too.

[Knipps]

this isnt something from the intra web.. its from high school.. might actually have to look in a :gasp: book for it.

down's syndrome is caused by an extra chromosome.. by having 47 instead of 46. you probably should have googled that too.

i know that, it's trisomy (or 3) of chromosome 21.
and you've just repeated what i said? except mine was the origins and yours was the result

[qwikz28]

this isnt something from the intra web.. its from high school.. might actually have to look in a :gasp: book for it.

down's syndrome is caused by an extra chromosome.. by having 47 instead of 46. you probably should have googled that too.

what ryan is trying to say is that there is no direct correlation made between marijuana and birth defects. sure, it makes sense that if pot alters your DNA that it will in turn increase the chance of birth defects, but without any type of scientific proof, it is simply considered speculation.

for example, this 70 degree weather we have today is not normal. is it caused by global warming? probably, but theres no way to prove it but any person who knows anything about the ozone and weather patterns would bet their ass that its caused by global warming, but since they can't prove it, theres no way to place the blame on it.

[Knipps]

what ryan is trying to say is that there is no direct correlation made between marijuana and birth defects. sure, it makes sense that if pot alters your DNA that it will in turn increase the chance of birth defects, but without any type of scientific proof, it is simply considered speculation.

for example, this 70 degree weather we have today is not normal. is it caused by global warming? probably, but theres no way to prove it but any person who knows anything about the ozone and weather patterns would bet their ass that its caused by global warming, but since they can't prove it, theres no way to place the blame on it.

:werd: thanks jake

that, and i tend to fall devil's advocate

[qwikz28]

i know for a fact when i have kids, those little craps are getting jobs when they are 14 and religious or not, i'm throwing them in church and making them do sports. my kids aren't gonna be bored and im not gonna give them time to do stupid stuff. ideally, i'd like my kids to have similar hobbies to me so i can spend time with them as well. parenting has become very difficult...

[ar0ck]

Cars & girls..the things that drain the teenage wallet. :)

I gotta admit, theres nothing better then those two combined!

[Brando56894]

this isnt something from the intra web.. its from high school.. might actually have to look in a :gasp: book for it.

down's syndrome is caused by an extra chromosome.. by having 47 instead of 46. you probably should have googled that too.

you believe everything you learn in school?? :D ive never even heard of this... nor have i ever seen/heard proof of it. i know tons of ppl that their parents smoke and their kids are fine, prolly just another one of those outlandish claims like "LSD will make you go blind" or something stupid liek that.

as for ppl from my HS class i dont think any of them have died from drug overdoses, smack is hard to get down here.... ive never even heard about anyone having it or never saw it untili went to live with chris at rutgers :lol: either way its retarded ****...

[PBodyGT87]

It doesn't have to be down syndrome, though you do increase the chances, it could be any defect, anywhere from genetic diseases to cancer, or minor defects. The bottom line is, when you alter your DNA, it runs high risk of the childs DNA having a defect of some kind. Parents who haven't done any drugs produce healthier more proportionate and extremely intelligent children. As far as I know, I want the best for my kids.

[Brando56894]

i feel this is ********, if it alters you DNA then why do they use it in the medical field as a pain killer/appetite enhancer?

give me an article that says this is and its references. ive looked all over the internet and cant find one proven fact except speculation from the average joe. this one page has 90% of the info about cannabis and i dont see anything in there about it. Erowid's Cannabis Vault (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml)

taken from the Marijuana FAQ on erowid:

Doesn't Marijuana cause brain damage?
The short answer: No.

The long answer: The reason why you ask this is because you probably heard or read somewhere that marijuana damages brain cells, or makes you stupid. These claims are untrue.

The first one -- marijuana kills brain cells -- is based on research done during the second Reefer Madness Movement. A study attempted to show that marijuana smoking damaged brain structures in monkeys. However, the study was poorly performed and it was severely criticized by a medical review board. Studies done afterwards failed to show any brain damage, in fact a very recent study on Rhesus monkeys used technology so sensitive that scientists could actually see the effect of learning on brain cells, and it found no damage.

But this was Reefer Madness II, and the prohibitionists were looking around for anything they could find to keep the marijuana legalization movement in check, so this study was widely used in anti-marijuana propaganda. It was recanted later.

(To this day, the radical anti-drug groups, like P.R.I.D.E. and Dr. Gabriel Nahas, still use it -- In fact, America's most popular drug education program, Drug Abuse Resistance Education, claims that marijuana ``can impair memory perception & judgement by destroying brain cells.'' When police and teachers read this and believe it, our job gets really tough, since it takes a long time to explain to children how Ms. Jones and Officer Bob were wrong.)

The truth is, no study has ever demonstrated cellular damage, stupidity, mental impairment, or insanity brought on specifically by marijuana use -- even heavy marijuana use. This is not to say that it cannot be abused, however.

[BonzoHansen]

Hey, if weed alters my DNA, if I go commit crimes, then smoke a lot of weed, will that mean they can't match my DNA in the CSI labs? :)


They told us in school weed reduces sperm count in guys and ovulation issues in ladies.

[Brando56894]

what you said in the last sentence is also proven false, another fact that some of the stuff they teach you in school is ********.

taken from another FAQ:
9 Q. What About All Those Scary Statistics and Studies?

A. Most were prepared as scare tactics for the government by Dr. Gabriel
Nahas, and were so biased and unscientific that Nahas was fired by
the National Institute of Health [16] and finally renounced his own
studies as meaningless [17]. For one experiment, he suffocated monkeys
for five minutes at a time, using proportionately more smoke than the
average user inhales in an entire lifetime [18]. The other studies
that claim sensational health risks are also suspect, since they lack
controls and produce results which cannot be replicated or
independently verified [19]

19. In another famous study, Heath/Tulane (1974), wild monkeys were
brutally captured, then virtually suffocated in marijuana smoke over a
period of 90 days. Source: National Institute of Health.


Parents who haven't done any drugs produce healthier more proportionate and extremely intelligent children.

granted some drugs will screw up your children, but that is mostly the case when the certain drug is used by the mother during the course of the pregnancy. such as alcohol, cocaine and crack. (lets go about 7 or so years in the future) so what your saying is that if i smoke a blunt, then have sex with my wife and get her pregnant, nine months later my child will not be as healthy, proportionate and as intelligent as lets say your children?? thats ****ing ********. i could see how if my pregnant wife was smoking with me or was in the vicinity of me while i was smoking it would have a slight effect on the babys health, but wouldnt have the power to change a person's DNA, thats just outlandish.

Well, if it wasn't for potheads, my car wouldn't be totalled right now. And another thing, it alters your DNA. Thinking about having kids when you're older? They might end up with down-syndrome.

and if it wasnt for alcohol my brother's best friend and a few of my friends would still be alive, whats your point? it wasnt necessarily the pot that caused the person to wreck your car, any person could have done it. that last sentence is what really annoys me liz, i dont have anything against you at all but thats just stupid in the future anyone's child could end up with downs syndrome, sure there are some things that probably increase the chances but i doubt marijuana is one of them

[Knipps]

i feel this is ********, if it alters you DNA then why do they use it in the medical field as a pain killer/appetite enhancer?

give me an article that says this is and its references. ive looked all over the internet and cant find one proven fact except speculation from the average joe. this one page has 90% of the info about cannabis and i dont see anything in there about it. Erowid's Cannabis Vault (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis.shtml)

taken from the Marijuana FAQ on erowid:
[Pot Impacts Heart]
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/22/1728_55387.htm

but

[Marijuana Chemical Fights Hardened Arteries]
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/104/107266.htm

enjoy :)

[Brando56894]

no. shes completely right. weed damages the dna on your reproductive cells permanently. the chances that you conceive a child with the damaged dna are slim, but the more you smoke the more it damages..

check this out: Marijuana Myths, Claim No. 7 (http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_myth7.shtml)

[Pot Impacts Heart]
http://www.webmd.com/content/article/22/1728_55387.htm

Smaha says it is clear that "more research needs to be done to delve into the mechanism at work here." Mittleman agrees and says that his study doesn't provide enough information to determine whether it is marijuana itself that is causing the increased risk or whether it is associated with other elements in the smoke, such as carbon monoxide. He says it is clear that "inhaled fine particles have adverse health effects."...

The study also shows that frequent marijuana use was certainly not a requirement to be at risk of having a heart attack. Of the marijuana users, 32 used it a few times a month and 40 used marijuana less than once a month, Mittleman says.

The Marijuana Policy Project (MPP), a Washington-based group that lobbies for laws to decriminalize marijuana use and supports the use of medical marijuana, immediately issued a press release warning that the study could be misinterpreted. MPP spokesperson Chuck Thomas tells WebMD, "Our concern is that some legislator is going to say that marijuana causes heart attacks. That's not what this study says."... Thomas says the risk of adverse events with marijuana use is "comparable to [the] risk associated with legal drugs."

...That report concluded that there was no significant risk of heart disease due to marijuana in young marijuana users but urged a study of its effect in older populations...
enjoy :)

oh i did :lol:

[Tru2Chevy]

OK, time to end the mary-jane banter and get back to our regularly scheduled thread....

- Justin

[Brando56894]

sorry justin but stupid claims like that just annoy me

[firehawk1120]

The only good thing that comes from doing drugs is that you increase my chances of getting killed, or killing someone I love, or getting a better job then you, or having kids that are better then yours.

Have fun smoking pot, shooting heroin, or snorting coke it's all good for you. Never mind any POSSIBLE side effects it may have on you or your body. Just keep believing that nothing is going to bother you.

the best phrase in the world is that ignorance is bliss.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

As a senior in HS, there have been 2 very serious accidents, and a total of 4 deaths (2 natural - kid had realllll bad asthma, died in sleep and the other one had a weird new kind of cancer). (2 auto related - same crash, happened 12/21/06. 4 kids in an Audi TT, going 75ish in a 25, ran up a tree. One kid impaled on tree (driver) one flew out of front window (flew into bushes, died) and another was very hurt - may never walk again and will need at least three major surgeries to the back). No drugs/alcohol involved in crash.

The other serious accident had drugs involved. Three potheads are in an early 00s Bimmer stick 2dr, and spin out, hit a tree. Driver was very hurt, but is now fine (occured last marchish). Front seat passenger flew out of window (wasn't wearing seatbelt) and had very serious forehead trauam but is now fine. The other was wearing a seatbelt in the back seat and was perfectly fine minus a few bruises.

As for me....I bide my time with car stuff, parties, girls, hangin out.

[Brando56894]

alcohol and cigarettes are worse for your body then pot

/discussion

[Knipps]

no body is comparing them, simply saying the "benefits" aren't anything special either

[enRo]

alcohol and cigarettes are worse for your body then pot

/discussion

*Looks at who posted this* .... *Looks at his avatar* ....

:lol:

[brp88gta]

anit rice guy, where in long valley do you live? i live in Glen Gardner, work in califon. i dont see many f bodys around here. what are you driving around?

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

anit rice guy, where in long valley do you live? i live in Glen Gardner, work in califon. i dont see many f bodys around here. what are you driving around?
I live off of west springtown. The f-bod is my dad's, I drive a red 06 Explorer.
So we don't irk anybody I'd finish this convo via PM but I'm fine with that
[/thread hijack]

[PBodyGT87]

alcohol and cigarettes are worse for your body then pot

/discussion


http://www.abovetheinfluence.com/the-influence/mythbusters.htm
Actually, one joint has four times the carcinogens of ciggarettes. But this isn't supposed to be about pot, Justin is right, so I'll stop, and hopefully the rest of you can too.

[jimmyboy8301]

there is a new guy at work thats 14 with 2 bodies under him

[qwikz28]

http://www.abovetheinfluence.com/the-influence/mythbusters.htm
Actually, one joint has four times the carcinogens of ciggarettes. But this isn't supposed to be about pot, Justin is right, so I'll stop, and hopefully the rest of you can too.
*cigarettes













:kiss: