Land Speed Racing Discussion

[NJSPEEDER]

ok kids, i am looking more seriously into this idea and i need some feedback before we can go to much further forward.

first off, this is something we are looking at for the 2008 event season.
some background on the idea. the east coast timing association runs land speed meets on an old airport runway in maxton, nc. it is a 1.1 mile acceleration course with about a mile of shut down/slow down area.
working in cooperation with some other regional clubs the idea was presented to have see if we coudl do an all f-body meet for fun and to sort out who exactly can bring home the bragging rights of fastest in the land.

what is in question:
1. how much would the experience of going "foot to the floor" for a mile be worth to everyone? since we are looking into making this a special meet jsut for f-bodies, it would be pricey to set up with all the insurance and everything. the weekend would certainly cost many times more than your average trip to the dragstrip.

2. how fast would everyone be expecting to go? the ECTA has an extensive list of requirements relating to safety. everyone would be required to go through a complete safety check and at that time you would be told what the maximum speed you are allowed to go will be. go faster, you too fast, you get booted, no questions and no refund. this is for your safety, so i am not willing to argue with them about it.

3. how many people are interested? the more people are planning to attend to participate and spectate the more realistic it will be to move forward with the idea. we will be working with other regional f-body clubs as well, so we can expect to see a great crowd if we can get this together.

as you can see we are taking this idea very seriously. hopefully things will go smoothly and we will be able to get it together :)

[V]

I was just looking over some of their regulations quick, i saw a few things that may an issue to some. So i figured id just make it known now, so people dont get their hopes up of hitting high MPH numbers with how thier cars currently sit....

ll-5 DRIVE HUBS: Above 150 MPH, any vehicle equipped with a non-retained axle bearing (non-Hotchkiss type rear axle) assembly must incorporate an approved hub to prevent loss of a wheel in the event of a rear axle failure. Semi or full floating rear axles are sufficient. Late model rear ends using “C” clip axle retainers are NOT acceptable.

III-2 ROLL BAR & ROLL CAGE: All cars in competition over 1 3 5 MPH, must be equipped with a roll bar or roll cage structure. All closed cars between 1 3 5 and 150 MPH must have a 4 point roll bar. All closed cars between 150 and 175 MPH must have a 6 - point roll bar. All closed cars over 175 MPH must have a full roll cage. All open cars are advanced one bar / cage category over closed cars. Any individual wishing to enter a vehicle which deviates from these rules MUST contact the ECTA 45 days before the event for approval.

II-8 WHEELS: All nonferrous wheels on which lug nuts would come in direct contact with the wheel must have a 1/4” thick steel retaining plate or larger o.d. heavy gauge individual washers under all lug nuts. T his does not apply to spindle mount wheels. Magnesium wheels are NOT recommended and, if used, must have an initial Zyglo certificate and stamp. Wheels are to be re-inspected if any adverse conditions arises. Inspections made with tires mounted are accepted. It is recommended that tire pressure used on two piece wheels does NOT exceed 60 psi., or manufacture’s specifications.

Classes over 200 MPH: Wheels used must be manufactured for racing or reinforced as below. 1” lug nuts are required on all vehicles.

Classes under 200 MPH: The smallest part of the hex of a lug nut must be larger than the largest part of the taper of the mounting hole. Lug nuts must torque totally against a wheel’s tapered surface. A minimum of 5/8” of the stud threads must be engaged within the lug nut.
Vehicles with tires having a diameter of 30” or with wheels over 17” in diameter must use a wheel manufactured for racing or reinforced as below. Wheels must be attached with at least 5 studs having a minimum diameter of 1/2” and 1” hex nuts.

In either of the previous cases, wheels must be manufactured for racing purposes or reinforced as follows: By welding the entire area of attachment between the rim and the center section of either the inside or outside of the wheel. Alloy wheels not certified by the manufacturer for racing (i.e. factory wheels are not allowed above 150 MPH. Also , no closed end (Acorn type) lug nuts are allowed.

Wire wheels designed for automotive racing applications such as Rudge or Dayton are allowed. OEM wire wheels are allowed only in classes under 200 MPH provided the center section is adequately reinforced. Motorcycle wheels not designed for automotive applications are prohibited.

Full wheel discs are legal in all categories if securely fastened to the wheel with six (6) or more machine grade screws or three (3) approved Dzus type fasteners. Inner wheel discs must be securely mounted to either the wheel or axle. All hub caps must be removed.

[bubba428]

well let see that eliminates all but 1st and 2nd gens...that aren't full breed race cars

[NJSPEEDER]

there are street classes as well that allow for the more common equipment that our cars all came with from the factory. the rules paul posted are general considerations.
considering the ECTA only has about 4 members that have gone 200+, you can eliminate half of those rules right off the bat. lol

[V]

true, and most cars wont be seeing 150 even, but the c-clip thing i think needs to be kept in mind. Id hope to hit at least 150 myself, so what would i need to do to my rear in that case?

edit: ok so id only have to spend $150 on a c-clip eliminator kit.
and BTW all 12 bolt and 10 bolt gm rears use c-clips so even first and 2nd gens are affected.

135-150mph requires a 4point roll bar. I have hit 111mph is the 1/4 stock, so i think now i should be able to break 135 in a mile. So theres another purchase, but it aint too bad.

also, id be running my stock 17" SS wheels, but since they are non-ferrous id need to install some kind of washers, no matter what i run. its little stuff like that which most people wouldnt expect

worked LS1 cars should be capable of around 150 IMO

[NJSPEEDER]

we will have clarifications on all the safety related rules once things are more solidly placed. for now we need to determine how many people are interested enough for us to persue the idea and how much the experience is worth to them.
if there are only a few interested and they don't wanna spend more than $50 then there isn't much point in following through with the idea.
the safety rules related to the speeds is going to be the hard part to determine. with a 111 trap speed you may be capable of getting into the 150 range. it has a lot to do with gearing and raw HP at that point as wind resistance and the weight of teh vehicle make it progressively harder to add each mph as you head down the course.

[V]

also, true. regardless, I'm definately interested, id even be willing to pay up to $150 or so since it is a rare chance.

Also, how many runs would we get?

[NJSPEEDER]

thenumber of runs will depend on the number of cars invovled. there are stories of people basically hot lapping when others weren't filling the staging lanes fast enough at some meets :)

[Batman]

I think I maybe able to get close to 175, I think most 4th gen's can hit 150 in a mile, you'll at least be in the high 130's or 140's. I'm game if it isn't redicuously priced, i think my car meets all the standards for 175 and I know I won't break that.

[NJSPEEDER]

i have been in contact with the operators of the ECTA events and they are an extremely helpful bunch.
there are a few ways we can go about doing this event.

#1 work under the ECTA's rules, insurance, and timing structure. this will be the most cost effective as far as getting the event off the ground, but it would add all of their safety requirements to the mix which can get pricey for the faster cars.

#2 organize and "run" the event ourselves under the timing and scoring of the ECTA. this will make the event much much more expensive to run, but would free up the rules, reducing the bulk of the car prep requirements

to be honest, i am a much bigger fan of the first method. these guys take land speed racing very seriously and know how to put on a safe program. for crs reaching higher speeds it means a greater expense in car prep, but to meit is a sacrifice worth making in the remote event something does go wrong on your pass.

i will continue talking to the ECTA guys and work out mroe detailed outlines for possible event solutions. to participate at a typical ECTA event costs $50 for membership and $100 to run in the event. not a bad deal considering that is less than 1/4 the fines for going those speeds on a public road. lol

please let all of the folks on any f-body boards you participate inknowabout the planning of this event. the concept is to make it an all f-body land speed meet for some trophies and bragging rights.

BTW, i was informed that the fastest f-body ever to run the course at maxton hit 213 and the fastest wheel driven f-body anywhere did 330 on the bonneville salt :)
there are your goals, go get them. lol

[88FormulaChick]

im interested, but wouldnt have the cash to do the nessesary mods to the car i choose to take, and wouldnt have cash to pay for the event itself...but it could be a whole new story in '08. But i'll go and be a spectator either way...but i'd love to run a car...so we'll see where i stand financially in '08.

[NJSPEEDER]

my goal as far as the costs invovled would be to keep the total anyone woudl have to spend in the $700ish range, $1000 at most. that would be for gas+ tolls+ hotel+ food+ entry to the event. speeding tickets to and from the event and car prep woudl obviously be additional :p
that would be figuring for those of us from the central jersey/north philly area taht it would cost a tank of gas each way to travel. it is certainly possible, depending how things work out, that it woudl cost more, but that is the target price range that it appears reasonable to aim for.

[NJSPEEDER]

in thinking of how to make this event happen i started thinking about having our own specific classes. most of the ECTA/SCTA classes are based on engine displacement and fuel type, and aerodynamic bodywork.
since our membership and most of the other clubs that have expressed interest are predominantly street cars, i don't think the aerodynamics other than stock/bolt on aftermarket body work are too big a deal. which leaves everything based on engines. i think the easiest way to do it would be to seperate by displacement, then have break downs with in each displacement class for n/a, nitrous, and boosted. we coudl give out awards/trophies for the top vehicle in each class, and maybe have special "king of the hill" awards/trophies for the top 3 overall.
wht do you think? any other awards/ideas for the event?

[98tadriver]

i pegged my 155mph speedo + more on rt 55 one night from exit 27 to somewhere between 24 and 26. i went on www.f-body.org/gears and it said 172mph i was at 5700rpm in 5th stock tires stock gears

NJSPEEDERfirst off, this is something we are looking at for the 2008 event season.
some background on the idea. the east coast timing association runs land speed meets on an old airport runway in maxton, va. it is a 1.1 mile acceleration course with about a mile of shut down/slow down area.
working in cooperation with some other regional clubs the idea was presented to have see if we coudl do an all f-body meet for fun and to sort out who exactly can bring home the bragging rights of fastest in the land.

EDIT: there is no maxton VA

maxton, NC

geography nazis FTW :lol:

[EchoMirage]

id do it, espeically with a year to prepare....like id trailer my car down. but, i think id rather go with your option #2, set it up ourself with our own rules. i dont know about anyone else, but i for one just dont want to start hacking up my car. to me, its a collectors item, and nothing ive done so far cant be put back to stock in a weekend. if this includes a cage, new rear, new hubs/spindles/whatever they talked about, then id be out. id rather get another car, and make it into a racer that i didnt care so much about the appearance/value. but im not going to do that just for one event. maybe if you can find out what the extra cost would be to host it ourselves? there might be less people there, but that could mean more runs for each car.

[NJSPEEDER]

i am in search of some way to relate 1/4 mile trap speeds to peak speeds for the 1mile course at maxton. hopefully a few of their members hit the drag strip with their cars before so i can come up with some sort of mathematical comparison to give everyone an idea of what they will run and the related safety equipment.

[98tadriver]

i am in search of some way to relate 1/4 mile trap speeds to peak speeds for the 1mile course at maxton. hopefully a few of their members hit the drag strip with their cars before so i can come up with some sort of mathematical comparison to give everyone an idea of what they will run and the related safety equipment.

After i get a new trans, how about i run my car down a str8 back road with no intersections and/or cars? (and plenty of time to stop of course.) and i will have flags marking the 1/4, 1/2 and full mile, and a stop watch and all that jazz? then you can have something to base your research on?

to give u an idea, on a good day, i hit 0-60 in 5 secs or less. roughly 330' or (1/16th mile?) i cover a 1/4 mile in 12.5 secs @ 112mph. and its still pullin' hard. averages out to like 28mph/4seconds. i can go from 60-150 mph in a lil over 1/2 mile (most likely 5/8 mile) and then i had let off since i was going to run out of str8 road. so from 0-150 i can cover it within 11/16 of a mile, leaving me a lil more than a 1/4 mile to go faster; and with no speed limiter, she still accelerates past 150. there will be a point where the car doesnt accelerate quite as fast (aerodynamics, drag etc etc). i would say after 130mph the car doesnt pull quite as hard as it did when going to 100mph; this would be because im shifting into 5th. OD gear + drag = slower accel. But I must say, 4th gear pulls like a raped ape :)

[NJSPEEDER]

time is not really helpful, it is speed that all the safety requirements relate to. there should be a pretty direct relationship between 1/4 speed and 1 mile speed, just like converting from 1/8 to 1/4 trap speed

[EchoMirage]

before my headers, and on ****** goodyears, my best 1/4 trap was 108...if that helps any

[98tadriver]

i figured that people came up with the formula to figure out 1/4 mile runs based on 1/8th mile runs thru trial and error. maybe it was from watching a bunch of 1/4 mile runs, looking at the 1/8th mile on each of those runs and then adding the speeds and then dividing by the number of runs to get an average? I trap 87-88 mph in the 1/8th, and 111-112mph in the 1/4, thats 24-25 mph picked up between the 1/8th and 1/4 mile.

[EchoMirage]

im not sure about the formulas, but i think with such a distance between the 1/4 and full mile, gearing would come into play. maybe not so much with the 1/8 to 1/4. just for an example, a lower hp moter with deeper gears could run the same trap as a higher hp motor with steep gears....one would have the advantage of gearing, the other through shear power. though at a mile, the deeper geared car would run out of breath, while taller geared would keep pulling......at least so i think.....

[V]

hence why im sticking with my 3.42s, if i ever go for all out speed(like 2+miles), i got a set of 2.41s going in my spare 10 bolt.

[NJSPEEDER]

from what i am reading, down course the gearing actualy means less and less the faster you are going. gear splits in the trans appear to be a factor, but final drive doesn't seem to have much effect on the result.
brute horse power seems to be the name of the game. all of the fastest carshave monster engines and weigh well over 2 tons.

[wrxdriver]

brute horse power seems to be the name of the game. all of the fastest carshave monster engines and weigh well over 2 tons.

A good part of that is because most of the Maxton crowd also runs at Bonneville (driving on salt = driving on ice) - and most people have no budget to build a 2nd car for pavement LSR. (Although with the semi-recent addition of a runway in Texas, maybe that will change)

There was alot of discussion on the LSR mailing list a few years ago how fast a purpose-built for Maxton streamliner or lakester might go.

[98tadriver]

I cant wait until that weekend! I feel strangely comfortable with driving at high speeds.

[Blacdout96]

IM IN TIM!!! you know that man, im more then willign to do this.

[NJSPEEDER]

i am going to talk to the organizers of the LSR meets this weekend. with the response and suggestions about this idea, i have a very good feeling that we can make it into a big deal.
i will keep everyone posted.
in the mean time, let all of your f-body friends know about this. we can settle, once and for all, who actually is the fastest on teh streets. :D

[Blacdout96]

Well id like to go for the fasest N/A V6 camaro record, doubt it'll happen, but you never know.

[NJSPEEDER]

the classes are seperated into displacement groups(you woul dbe "E - 184 thru 260 cid (3.01 to 4.26 L)"), basic car type(coupe, sedan, comp coupe....), and aero modifications.
once things are a bit more inplace we will be able to help everyone figure out what class they fit into and if there are record runs to be called for :)

[Blacdout96]

the classes are seperated into displacement groups(you woul dbe "E - 184 thru 260 cid (3.01 to 4.26 L)"), basic car type(coupe, sedan, comp coupe....), and aero modifications.
once things are a bit more inplace we will be able to help everyone figure out what class they fit into and if there are record runs to be called for :)

Sounds good, yeah i havea few friends that still need to come out of the wood works, like the one that just got his tranny in his z not too long ago, and a nother that just got done fixing up his 86' But im always Pluggin NJFBOA.org, cause its fun, and im trying to do everything i can to get people to come out. This event, if it can get together, adn has enogh support would be a great way to show people that were more then just an internet club, that we are dedicated and hopefully, can spark some more sponsers and intrest. I really hope this comes together, and I don care weither i do 120 or 20 mph down that thing, it would be just a blast, kudos big tim, im anxious to hear news on this.

[Savage_Messiah]

Well id like to go for the fasest N/A V6 camaro record, doubt it'll happen, but you never know.

reeeeeeeeally....


*looks at spare rear*

*looks at 3.08s in the garage*


hmmmmmmmmmm.....

[NJSPEEDER]

the record depends how the classes are broken down as far as mods to the vehicle. not sure how that works yet.
here are all the e-class records

E/Gas Real Street USS Wankel C. Rothfuss Oct-00 126.227
E/Fuel Real Street Calaguiro Bros. Racing Paul Calaguiro May-05 107.781
E/Gas Super Street Matthew Roberts Matt Roberts Sep-05 138.608
E/Blown Gas Super Street Proto Tech B. Henson Sep-01 187.891

it doesn't look like the catagory that you V6'ers would fall into is very well subscribed.

remember one thing though, we can only go for official record runs if we are running the full ECTA rules and not a whittled down rules package. so we have to see hwo the event is going to be run before anything. :)

[Blacdout96]

the record depends how the classes are broken down as far as mods to the vehicle. not sure how that works yet.
here are all the e-class records

E/Gas Real Street USS Wankel C. Rothfuss Oct-00 126.227
E/Fuel Real Street Calaguiro Bros. Racing Paul Calaguiro May-05 107.781
E/Gas Super Street Matthew Roberts Matt Roberts Sep-05 138.608
E/Blown Gas Super Street Proto Tech B. Henson Sep-01 187.891

it doesn't look like the catagory that you V6'ers would fall into is very well subscribed.

remember one thing though, we can only go for official record runs if we are running the full ECTA rules and not a whittled down rules package. so we have to see hwo the event is going to be run before anything. :)

So would we be Gas real, r fuel real class? either or, I think I might try to get up to that... who ddo I have to contact to get all the E-class specs and rules, ill just ge the inf ofro mthem and start doing up my car. And Savage, besides the 3.08s i still got as a spare in the back yard, I might have another suprise waiting, ill post the pics about my new idea asap on another thread, and if it works I just mght make one for ya. It pays to havea metal shop at work ;)

[V]

i got a spooled 2.41 rear w/c clip eliminators in the works already for something else. but id use my 3.42 rear for this event.

but tim, that brings up another question. IF we do this event, would it be possible for a member to bring a second rear axle assembly, make one run then swap it out to see if there is a difference? i know the really low 2.41s may hurt in the beginning and limit what i can reach, but i figured its worth asking

[Blacdout96]

i got a spooled 2.41 rear w/c clip eliminators in the works already for something else. but id use my 3.42 rear for this event.

but tim, that brings up another question. IF we do this event, would it be possible for a member to bring a second rear axle assembly, make one run then swap it out to see if there is a difference? i know the really low 2.41s may hurt in the beginning and limit what i can reach, but i figured its worth asking

Good question, like how many runs do we get, and are we able to swap things out of our cars or is it run what oyu brung and dont touch anyhting else?

[NJSPEEDER]

dunno any of that yet. the number of runs will depend on the amount of cars involved and changing parts will depend on what the part is and what, if any, safety rules would be involved in the swap.
as soon as i have more details about hwo the events are run normally and how the rules apply to the more common street vehicles we have in the club those questions will be easier to answer.
for now, everybody hang tight and plan to go fast. :)

[98tadriver]

UPDAYTE: i kid u not - I dont have 3rd or 4th gear mind you- i ran on this back 3 mile stretch from MM2 for 1.1 mile from a dig .. with NO 3rD or 4TH GEAR i hit 155MPH i kid u not, i would not tell stoeries. i did this when i was sober too 1st gear, 2d ghear, shifted at 70mph then hit 5th gear, lol and eventually hit 155 by the mile and a 10th

so this gets me thinking.... with a 3rd and 4th gear, im probably looking at 160-165mph possibly :D

[Blacdout96]

UPDAYTE: i kid u not - I dont have 3rd or 4th gear mind you- i ran on this back 3 mile stretch from MM2 for 1.1 mile from a dig .. with NO 3rD or 4TH GEAR i hit 155MPH i kid u not, i would not tell stoeries. i did this when i was sober too 1st gear, 2d ghear, shifted at 70mph then hit 5th gear, lol and eventually hit 155 by the mile and a 10th

so this gets me thinking.... with a 3rd and 4th gear, im probably looking at 160-165mph possibly :D

It could be quite possible. The majority of the time down the mile was spent getting up from 2nd to 5th, so im sure theres more you can get out of it. what ears are you running in the rear, adn do you have 3rd and 4th this time if we go? lol

[NJSPEEDER]

UPDAYTE: i kid u not - I dont have 3rd or 4th gear mind you- i ran on this back 3 mile stretch from MM2 for 1.1 mile from a dig .. with NO 3rD or 4TH GEAR i hit 155MPH i kid u not, i would not tell stoeries. i did this when i was sober too 1st gear, 2d ghear, shifted at 70mph then hit 5th gear, lol and eventually hit 155 by the mile and a 10th

so this gets me thinking.... with a 3rd and 4th gear, im probably looking at 160-165mph possibly :D

hnestly, it is not likely to change too dramaticaly. land speed,much like a trap speed at the track, is more a reflection of your power to weight ratio than your gearing. there is some advantage to having the correct rear gear to use the entire power band as you come through the end of the course, but it is not the focal point that would lead to a huge jump in top speed.

[98tadriver]

It could be quite possible. The majority of the time down the mile was spent getting up from 2nd to 5th, so im sure theres more you can get out of it. what ears are you running in the rear, adn do you have 3rd and 4th this time if we go? lol


3.42's and Yes, lol i should have my trans here in a week or so

hnestly, it is not likely to change too dramaticaly. land speed,much like a trap speed at the track, is more a reflection of your power to weight ratio than your gearing. there is some advantage to having the correct rear gear to use the entire power band as you come through the end of the course, but it is not the focal point that would lead to a huge jump in top speed.


Yes, but we are talking about skipping 2 whole gears here. let me take you for a ride down the road as it sits with no 3rd and 4th gear. and then go for a ride after i get the transmission in my car.
Heres a good example- I had a 1987 5.0 mustang pull on me from 70-130mph because i dont have 3rd and 4th gear. and i could not catch him because i spent forever in 5th gear. :cry:

[NJSPEEDER]

that is acceleration rate, not top speed. the top speed you will reach is dictated merely by the power you have compared to the resistance at play. 3rd and 4th don't add any power and therefore won't make much, if any, top speed magically appear.
if it helped that much you wouldn't see the land speed guys running such numerically low gears.

[V]

well tim, i think he means in top speed for a standing mile. yes overall top speed depends on hp vs. resistance and all. His 2 missing gears wouldnt matter if he had like a 5 mile run, but in 1 mile, while you're taking longer to accelerate, during that time, you're still covering ground at a decent speed, and you'll cover the remainder of a mile pretty quick. If im confusing something please corretc me, i just never did a land speed event so i cant compare to anything and since you do know more about these racing events, ill believe you. lol.

[NJSPEEDER]

if 5th is the gear he would get into anyway in that distance, then having the other gears makes very little difference.
from teh reading i have been doing, there is a huge difference in the way performance over 1/4 and mile or more work. gearing seems to have less and less of an impact the greater the distance invovled.
on the other hand, even basic aero tweaking, the example i found was a car lowered 1.5inches, seems to show comparitively huge gains. adding several mph to the top speed achieved.

[V]

the example i found was a car lowered 1.5inches, seems to show comparitively huge gains. adding several mph to the top speed achieved.

sweet, as the lowest f body around here, we shall see....

[98tadriver]

im gonna get HYDRAULICS and slam mah ***** to da ground and gain 10mph

[Knipps]

sweet, as the lowest f body around here, we shall see....

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/5079/smokingsslowbn9.jpg

any higher than it was paul? :lol:

[V]

as of now, it is higher that that picture, same setup up front still, but stock springs in the rear again. it has an ugly raked look, but thatll only be until after the new engine is broken in. then it'll get dropped down again. and now i lost another 1/4" of clearence when the subframes slid under the TQ arm mount, i may have to make some custom changes if its too low(i cant believe i just said that... "too low" hahaha)

[Knipps]

i want to lower mine at some point.. maybe this summer
sound system comes first though

[CALL911]

Did we ever get a price figure for option #2? I am confident my car would trap beyond 175, and honestly, other than the cage that I was planning on putting in sometime anyway, I don't really plan on doing all that other stuff to the car either just for this one event. All that money, and mods spent in doing stuff to my car are things I would rather not do. I would rather spend on option #2 as we wouldn't have to do as much (or perhaps nothing). I realize this option is less safe, but depending on the amount of work needed in a car to begin with, it may in fact be cheeper. Not to mention, you will be at risk in both cases. More than likely, the biggest safety things to consider IMO is if you have seen those speeds in your car before, and can drive them confidently. Without doing those two things, you could have all the other safety things included, but you aren't really running "safe" IMO.

Basically stated, what are the full options, i.e., how much for option #2? I would be extremly interested as well if the price was right, and I didn't have to mod my car to this extreme just for this event.

[NJSPEEDER]

i have to discuss things further with the ECTA still. there is a lot fo planning that has to be put into this. i would count on the meet costing somewhere in the $150-200 range to participate. that would get you two days of as many passes as participation/time allow for.
the cost to run the event under seperate rules is expensive and it is somethign we are taking a serious look at before we can commit one way or the other to putting together the event. estimates to run the weekend go as high at $10k for a two day event between rent, insurance, timing and scoring, and the host of other expenses related to such a large undertaking.
basicaly, it woudl take a serious commitment by the membership here and f-body owners from around the country to make this happen. aftrmarket sponsorship is a must as well and i am not talking about local companies, it takes national brands to put up the kind of cash that it takes to make something like this happen.
i am not giving up on the idea, but i will say the scales of cost and commitment invovled is a much more than i had anticipated. i am going to talk with the folks at the ECTA some more and hopefuly meet with them early next month to hammer out what exactly is needed to get this done for the 2008 season.
anyone who is or knows someone who may be interested, please keep spreading the word about this idea. we need lots of cars, spectators, and volunteers to help this event come together and run smoothly once everything is in place.

[CALL911]

Well let us know what happens. A sponser would be great. However, even if we had enough people interested in this, we may be able to have enough $ to pay for the 10k ourselves. Say if we had 50 people interested in putting $200 down each, this would covor it.

Keep us up to date.

[98tadriver]

Well let us know what happens. A sponser would be great. However, even if we had enough people interested in this, we may be able to have enough $ to pay for the 10k ourselves. Say if we had 50 people interested in putting $200 down each, this would covor it.

Keep us up to date.

I highly doubt that 50 people will sign up. hell, we're barely gonna get 20 people for dyno day.. (to dyno) and thats a measly 50 bucks!

[EchoMirage]

yeah, it doesnt look good for something like that. id be up for it. if its the option 2, and we get two whole days, id pay up to $500 for it and be happy with it. but not everyone can do that, so......whichever works out for the best.

[CALL911]

yeah, it doesnt look good for something like that. id be up for it. if its the option 2, and we get two whole days, id pay up to $500 for it and be happy with it. but not everyone can do that, so......whichever works out for the best.

I'm with you. I could also shell out up to about $500 if it were option#2. Heck, I would spend at least $500 just getting my car ready to race in option #1!

I think if we promote it in the right areas, and to the right people, we could get 50.

[NJSPEEDER]

it wouldn't jsut be our club involved in this. we would have to put it out to every f-body owner in teh country. the interest is out there, but i wouldn't try to do something like this without corporate support.
i don't think it would be difficult to get 50 people invovled, but i don't think it is the kind of thing we could count on in the plannign stages.
if we can get aftermarket and participant support we can jsut add more and mroe fun to the weekend anyway. :)

[CALL911]

I'm buddies with a guy who works for ATI Procharger, I'll give him a shout and see if this is something they might want to sponser.

Where I am from in Indiana, I know at least 5 or more guys who would also drive to NC to do this.

[NJSPEEDER]

if you know someone from procharger, have them get in touch with us in general :)
we have on site advertising and otehr events they can sponsor too :D

[EchoMirage]

what kind of sponsorship do you need? would they pay for part of it? ive never been 'sponsored' so just trying to get an idea.

[NJSPEEDER]

sponsorship and advertising are somewhat complicated. market exposure, pricing, direct market interest, views, attendance, and many other factors go into working out a package to make companies happy.
if you think they would be interested in site or event sponsorship, please get me the contact info or have them get in touch with me.

[CALL911]

NJSPEEDER, I PM'd you with the ATI contact info.

[NJSPEEDER]

got it, thanks :)

[98tadriver]

im gonna hit 160mph i think