the great journy of a lowly f-body

[bubba428]

ok...most of you know me as the jack ass who does burn outs with his obnoctiously loud 3.4 camaro(custom welded flowmaster catback)...or the jack ass with fang strips on his hood...but heres the kicker...i'm gonna use my 3.4 block with the 3400 heads, intake manifold and pistons...accually makes more power cause the crank and cam are slightly different in the 3.4 as opposed to the 3400...along with twin garret turbos(from 2 89 caravans)...run out headers to the rear...yes i'm gonna do it the hard way but there very tiny turbos...comp cams 260/260 @ .462 lift beehives from a ls motor eaton posi and M/T 255/45 r16 ET street tires...and a 50/100 dry shot is up in the air...did i metion its got a t-5...also a bigger throtlebody is in order along with 21lb/hr fuel injectors all on the stock harness(i hope)...headers, hi-flow cat, custom fitted SS ram air and a 2.5in cowl hood so i can reafirm my jackassedness and pu an SS-207 decal on the side of the cowl

[Knipps]

my head hurts...

[V]

who's gonna tune it? :-D

[NJSPEEDER]

i would suggest you hit the junk yards and get a pair fo turbo's from 1.8 subaru's. teh sizing will be more appropriate to the airflow of a 3.4 than from the larger chrysler engine. :)

[bubba428]

megasquirt...
i'm going to do the twaeking at the dyno meet
at least try to

[88FormulaChick]

just buy a 98-00 SS....lol. people ask me why i dont mod my 3.8L auto 2000 firebird...im like, why put the money into it when i can save that money, sell my car an get a 00-02 black on black WS6 T/A....someday.

[V]

you will not have a chance to mess with anything on your car at the dyno meet between pulls.

just buy a 98-00 SS
who would want one of those pieces of crap :-)

[bubba428]

did i mention i have 30 days to do this...

[bubba428]

you will not have a chance to mess with anything on your car at the dyno meet between pulls.


who would want one of those pieces of crap :-)

that sucks......i'm goona get the rear differential from you and put the posi in it

[deadtrend1]

...comp cams 260/260 @ .462 lift beehives from a ls motor ....

so wait. .. your gonna put a LSx cam in your 3.4??? I guess you could cut 4 lobes off of it and make it work .......

[bubba428]

no...a 3.4 cam...sprind are from the ls...not the cam

[deadtrend1]

oh ........ why no just go with new springs?

[bubba428]

cause the ls pring will fit right on...and the with stand highr revving...which allown the enging to hold hp at higher rpm...even tho my redling is already 7k

[deadtrend1]

oh ok .. well..... good luck to you on your journey ..:rock:

[bubba428]

thanx...this cars gonna rock n roll...for a v6

[unstable bob gable]

BRICKA! BRACKA! FIRECRACKA!
SIS! BOOM! BAH!
BUBBA428! BUBBA428!
RAH! RAH! RAH! :mrgreen:

[j0n]

at least you're going to ruin a camero instead of a firebird in this destined to fail project

[Batman]

why put the money into it when i can save that money, sell my car an get a 00-02 black on black WS6 T/A....someday.

I'll sell ya mine :)

On topic- That sentence was too mych for me to process, I am shutting down for the day.

[NJSPEEDER]

i like the idea of doing something a little different. besides, the old "jsut buy a..." always seems to be the expensive version. just enjoy and work on whatever car you have, it is less expensive and way fewer headaches.

[bubba428]

i like the idea of doing something a little different. besides, the old "jsut buy a..." always seems to be the expensive version. just enjoy and work on whatever car you have, it is less expensive and way fewer headaches.

O O O EXACTLY!!!!...not to mention how retardedly fast it'll be when i'm done...and the chrysler turbo is from a 2.5...its not big at all

[NJSPEEDER]

looking at it in terms of equal displacement/air capacity. 2 x 2.5 = 5L's worth of turbo on a 3.4L engine, compared to 2 x 1.8 = 3.6L worth of turbo on a 3.4 engine.
the smaller turbo's would allow for quicker spooling, yet still yield enough extra capacity to run higher boost levels on race gas or depending how low you go with the compression.

[bubba428]

true...but i have to use whats readily availible...and i haven't seen any 1.8 turbos

[NJSPEEDER]

you are rebuidling the engine first, then fabricating all the tubing? or have you started working on the tubing already?
i can run to the junk yard next weekend and see if there are still a few of the smaller turbos there for ya.
whatever turbo's you use, i would suggest rebuidling them first. nothing like bad seals to blast oil through everything and mess it all up

[JSPERFORMANCE]

:huh: :orlyflag: :rolleyes: :shrug: :scratch: :nod:

[IROCdan330]

how many pounds of boost will you be running? do you think 21 lb/hr injectors are going to be enough?

i dont know how fast this thing will be if you only have 30 days...

good luck with the tuning on this one...and that dry shot...

[JSPERFORMANCE]

:werd:

[WayFast84]

Lethalrides 2?

[bubba428]

Lethalrides 2?

haha...:rofl: no thats alright...i'd rather not

and i'm gonna go with out the N2O for now...

but i might try to run as much boost as possible with out detionation occuring...so i'll just keep twaeking it til it's right and i'll probably need bigger injectors but i'm not going to be running max boost all the time probably(just a rough estimate) around 9 as DD and how ever much it can handle for the track...and megasquirt is apearently an easy system...

[bubba428]

i haven't started at all yet...as soon as i get my truck on the road the camaro is getting riped apart...i'm ordering the engine parts first...cam...pistons...heads...intake manifolds...throtle body...injectors...headers...turbo...exaust re-fitted...gaskets as i need them...and insert othe item as needed

[Tru2Chevy]

Sounds like a fun project. My only concerns are that you are using turbos that are gonna be too big to get anything out of them at lower RPMs, and that you sound like you are in a rush.

Make sure that you take your time when putting it all together, and don't cut corners in the interest of cost or time. If you do, it will end up costing you more money and time in the future....

- Justin

[98tadriver]

Sounds like a fun project. My only concerns are that you are using turbos that are gonna be too big to get anything out of them at lower RPMs, and that you sound like you are in a rush.

Make sure that you take your time when putting it all together, and don't cut corners in the interest of cost or time. If you do, it will end up costing you more money and time in the future....

- Justin


Well said ol' chap!

[bubba428]

i'm accualy going to drop the turbo for now...just go all motor just to see what kind of numbers can be achived with a 3.4

[JSPERFORMANCE]

:axe: :laugh:

[Tru2Chevy]

i'm accualy going to drop the turbo for now...just go all motor just to see what kind of numbers can be achived with a 3.4

I think that's a much better idea. Work your way up as time and money permits.

- Justin

[bubba428]

:axe: :laugh:

wtf i that suposed to mean...u like chasing yellow ppl with knives???

[JSPERFORMANCE]

If you must know that means that this dream is being hacked to pieces by that cruel thing called reality...

[bubba428]

well the extras any way...

[Savage_Messiah]

that t-5 won't last a day if you turbo it.

[bubba428]

i don't know...you've seen the abuse i put it trought...i phucking disapeared if it can handle that...it can handle a turbo

[NJSPEEDER]

i don't see any real reason why a T5 won't last. look how quick/fast the rustang crowd goes on them. it is the same case and gear sets, jsut a differnt bell housing to mate up to the ford block and i doubt that lends any extra strength to the internals.

[bubba428]

and like i've said...you all saw what i do to it...ask blacdout96...b4 the clutch went it was a daily think

[Tru2Chevy]

Eh....the turbo 3.8 guys seem to go through T5s pretty quickly. I can't imagine that one behind a turbo 3.4 will last a lot longer :shrug:

- Justin

[bubba428]

as soon as i breaks i'll just get fordged inners

[JSPERFORMANCE]

fordged inners?

[j0n]

fordged inners?

:stupid: where can those be purchased?

[JSPERFORMANCE]

got 'em in stock ready for shipment!!

[unstable bob gable]

"Fordged Inners"...wasn't he a Swedish weight lifter in the '76 Olympics?

[bubba428]

i meand forged gears and syncros...i saw them on a site before...i for got where tho

[Mike]

sounds like a lotta work to run low teens

[bubba428]

yea but the motor need rebuilding...and i'd rather get some pratice on a 3.4 than ruin a 350...thats just sacreligious

[Mike]

or sell it and get one of those ls1s that are poppin up in the 6k range

[bubba428]

i don't want to sell it...is it that hard to understand...i want to fix it with more efficent parts...

[Mike]

sorry, just speaking from my experience of owning a 95 3.4 car.........carry on.

btw what are you time/power goals with this car.

[bubba428]

i'm trying to put up at least 250-300 rwhp...just a goal thoi expect that range but am trying for more

[JSPERFORMANCE]

v6 = spend $10k and barely make it to the 12's
v8 = spend $10k and throw down some 10 second passes

I know it is such a hard decision!!

[bubba428]

u just don't get it...its not about how fast it goes...its something totaly diferent...i'm just doing it for fun...and this post isn't about an engine swap its about a rebuild...so unless you have anything helpfull to say about what i'm doing...SHUT THE PHUCK UP!

[Savage_Messiah]

i don't see any real reason why a T5 won't last. look how quick/fast the rustang crowd goes on them. it is the same case and gear sets, jsut a differnt bell housing to mate up to the ford block and i doubt that lends any extra strength to the internals.

Like Justin said, I know Andrew destroyed his, Lance did too, Path did I think... off the top of my head, I know Malice still has one and TH does.. I believe they're using g-force parts though. May be mistaken, this is all off the top of my head.

yea but the motor need rebuilding...and i'd rather get some pratice on a 3.4 than ruin a 350...thats just sacreligious


that makes no sense.

[Savage_Messiah]

v6 = spend $10k and barely make it to the 12's
v8 = spend $10k and throw down some 10 second passes

I know it is such a hard decision!!


:lol: I sure hope you're including the price of the car at least...


and have fun having the same setup as 84750724569427858934658370672064574 other v8s in the 10s.... that same old crap is boring. Too easy.

[JSPERFORMANCE]

OK so you will be just like a retard... Slow, but different..
Sorry, I just feel that I would rather go faster and waste less time and money getting there.. To each his own, good luck on your journey of becoming retarded...

Kasey, how many ten second cars have you ever built since it is soooo easy??? Until you have done it dont trivialize the task.

[unstable bob gable]

Kasey, how many ten second cars have you ever built since it is soooo easy??? Until you have done it dont trivialize the task.

POW! CRUNCH! BAM! KER-POW! The Fidget gets PWNED!!!:rofl:

[98tadriver]

OK so you will be just like a retard... Slow, but different..
Sorry, I just feel that I would rather go faster and waste less time and money getting there.. To each his own, good luck on your journey of becoming retarded...

Kasey, how many ten second cars have you ever built since it is soooo easy??? Until you have done it dont trivialize the task.


JSPERFORMANCE does 10 damage to Savage Messiah :moon:

[Mike]

to everyone saying "its different" well so is crossdressing, sometimes its different for a reason....

[bubba428]

there is minimal to no aftermarket for the 3.4...the 3.8s even have toys then can get...but there is nothing but a cam for the 3.4...so to make that car go fast it takes a lot of knowledge and the perfect combination of tolerences...kasey is right...making a v8 go fast id one thing...but the v6s we run...is a whole nother monster

[Savage_Messiah]

don't get me wrong, in the future I'll have a v8... but for now, this is much more fun to me.

[bubba428]

exactly

[Savage_Messiah]

OK so you will be just like a retard... Slow, but different..
Sorry, I just feel that I would rather go faster and waste less time and money getting there.. To each his own, good luck on your journey of becoming retarded...

Kasey, how many ten second cars have you ever built since it is soooo easy??? Until you have done it dont trivialize the task.



Wa to twist words around.... how many 10 seconds V8s are there?

...and how many 10 second V6s?

[bubba428]

well...if you know what your doing...u can spend the same amout of money on a v6 as a v8 and go just as fast

[JSPERFORMANCE]

Yeah OK

[IROCdan330]

well...if you know what your doing...u can spend the same amout of money on a v6 as a v8 and go just as fast

for how many passes?

[NJSPEEDER]

there are plenty of fast V6 powered cars out there and no reason to believen this couldn't be the foundation of another one. if you prefer V8's, good for you. V6's have been proven to perform enough times that i can't see any need to trivialize these efforts either.

[Mike]

they are being trivialized because he wants to build a "fast" v6 and stay on a budget, and he has changed his mind more times in the last week than wayfast.....first its twin turbo and nitrous now its na, and now his main goal is to pull wheels.....

if you just wanna pull wheels buy my car, it does it on a bone stock motor.

[bubba428]

that was a goal i knew i wouldn't acive...now the heads are coming from a junkyard..i'm going to clean the up same with the intake...its kinda hard to fathom till u see one...with the heads and intake its been proven the 3.4 can take a stock Z...i'm adding a cam springs and lifters to the mix

[Mike]

that was a goal i knew i wouldn't acive...now the heads are coming from a junkyard..i'm going to clean the up same with the intake...its kinda hard to fathom till u see one...with the heads and intake its been proven the 3.4 can take a stock Z...i'm adding a cam springs and lifters to the mix

show me numbers, because i just went on the v6 site and the fastest na3.4 i could find was in the high 13s bro....

i wont tell you how to spend your money, but i will say, when your done ill race you for 100 bucks..........






in my trailblazer

[ar0ck]

show me numbers, because i just went on the v6 site and the fastest na3.4 i could find was in the high 13s bro....

i wont tell you how to spend your money, but i will say, when your done ill race you for 100 bucks..........

in my trailblazer


I'll take seconds. I have a stock Z.

[Mike]

my birds stock too. if my truck loses, double or nothing in the t/a

[bubba428]

when i'm done i'll let you know

[NJSPEEDER]

this isnt supposed to be a call out forum guys. if you have any advice to add about setting up the car , that is fine. wait until everyone invovled has running vehicles to set the races up though.

[bubba428]

http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/psm-70-1208.jpg
$234.39 not bad for headers...combined with the uper and piston swap i should be able to get rid of the rasp in the exaust note...and once the cam goes in...damn...i can wait to get this show on the road

[NJSPEEDER]

it is a V6, there wil always be rasp in the exhaust note.

[Savage_Messiah]

:stupid:

[bubba428]

yea i know...i should have said most...it won't cracle as bad at least

[bubba428]

ok heres the lay out...final plans as to begin ASAP

i'm gonna make it easy on my self and get a complete 3400 motor
i was quoted $650 so... i included the summit part number if you guys want to take a look at this stuff

ALL ENGINE PARTS= $650
Cam Shaft = $125..................p/n 162234
behive springs $129................p/n 2691512
headers $234........................p/n 701208
so thats 900...i just need a throttle body and all is good

o and hey kasey...summit sells the same headers for the 3.8 for the same price, they have 1.5 in primaries

[GrandmasterCow]

just buy a 98-00 SS....lol. people ask me why i dont mod my 3.8L auto 2000 firebird...im like, why put the money into it when i can save that money, sell my car an get a 00-02 black on black WS6 T/A....someday.

thats exactly what alotta ppl told a budddy of mine, now hes proudto show he has a turbo 99 v6 camaro, pushing 560 to the wheels at least and can get more when he gets his meth kit installed and gets it retuned. some ppl just want a challenge.

[bubba428]

thats exactly what alotta ppl told a budddy of mine, now hes proudto show he has a turbo 99 v6 camaro, pushing 560 to the wheels at least and can get more when he gets his meth kit installed and gets it retuned. some ppl just want a challenge.

ok there are a few of yas that get it...its onthing to make a 350 or a 400 go fast...but what about a v6...i'm trying to prove that an american v6 can run very low teens with a minimal whole in the wallet total so far is looking around 1100-1300 to pull a 13 1300-2k to run in the low 11s depending on how insane i want to go

[Savage_Messiah]

thats exactly what alotta ppl told a budddy of mine, now hes proudto show he has a turbo 99 v6 camaro, pushing 560 to the wheels at least and can get more when he gets his meth kit installed and gets it retuned. some ppl just want a challenge.

internet name / location???

[Savage_Messiah]

ok heres the lay out...final plans as to begin ASAP

i'm gonna make it easy on my self and get a complete 3400 motor
i was quoted $650 so... i included the summit part number if you guys want to take a look at this stuff

ALL ENGINE PARTS= $650
Cam Shaft = $125..................p/n 162234
behive springs $129................p/n 2691512
headers $234........................p/n 701208
so thats 900...i just need a throttle body and all is good

o and hey kasey...summit sells the same headers for the 3.8 for the same price, they have 1.5 in primaries

hw many miles are on your engine? think about lifters, pushrods, timing chain, gaskets, etc. all the little stuff.



OK I just checked out those valve springs on summit, there is NO WAY IN ALL HELL THAT YOU NEED 313 LB VALVESPRINGS!!!!

The cam part # doesnt work.

And like I said check out texas speed if you're doing headers, the ones summit has for $234 are $204 over there.


Here's what I'm gonna recommend you... go check out www.abbottracingheads.com (http://www.abbottracingheads.com) and look at the 60* cam packages they've got. If you have questions call them, Lance is a good guy who knows what he's talking about. Tell him Kasey sent ya

EDIT: I'll just copy/paste it for you...
79-95 (2.8-3.4L) 60* V-6

Camshafts
-212/212 @ .050"
-.440" lift on the intake with a 1.5 rocker
-.440: lift on the exhaust with a 1.5 rocker
-110 Lobe Separation Comp Cams K-kit (includes, cam, lifters, springs, retainers, locks, timing chain, and valve seals)



$304.57

[GrandmasterCow]

ok there are a few of yas that get it...its onthing to make a 350 or a 400 go fast...but what about a v6...i'm trying to prove that an american v6 can run very low teens with a minimal whole in the wallet total so far is looking around 1100-1300 to pull a 13 1300-2k to run in the low 11s depending on how insane i want to go

That was just to show that ppl with a V6 can still make it fast if you can afford it. Yes you can do alot to a V6 and not spend too much, look at craig (Little g) he's running i think low 13s and really doesnt have a lot done.
internet name / location???

he doesn't really use the internet lol but ive been good friends with him for years, he just kept his V6 while i moved into the LS1 world. he made a custom turbo kit using pacesetter headers and making a log type, GT4288 turbo, magnaflow exhaust, 3.5" downpipe, he did his entire fuel system and all forged internals with diamond ceramic top turbo pistons.

[Savage_Messiah]

wheres he live?

[Mike]

why does anyone need to prove american v6's can run fast......turbo buicks, tta's and sy/tys have been doin it since the 80's

we KNOW they can be fast. we also KNOW that using the word budget and fast v6, dosent work....and im sorry but im gonna dissagree with it ever sounding good.

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

why does anyone need to prove american v6's can run fast......turbo buicks, tta's and sy/tys have been doin it since the 80's

we KNOW they can be fast. we also KNOW that using the word budget and fast v6, dosent work....and im sorry but im gonna dissagree with it ever sounding good.

+1!!!!!!!

[IROCdan330]

i agree with cbrrmike on this...however its not my wallet or my time so i wish you the best of luck on this thing.

[WildBillyT]

why does anyone need to prove american v6's can run fast......turbo buicks, tta's and sy/tys have been doin it since the 80's

we KNOW they can be fast. we also KNOW that using the word budget and fast v6, dosent work....and im sorry but im gonna dissagree with it ever sounding good.

My GTP probably runs in the mid-high 13's, and there really isn't that much different than stock. As far as sound, I agree. I have an aftermarket downpipe, a Magnaflow cat, and an SLP loudmouth and although it doesn't sound awful, it's not as deep as a V8 and therefore doesn't sound as good.