So how much is the !AC mod worth?

[JL8Jeff]

I started getting a serious screech/squeal noise from the engine and I thought it might be the tensioner or idler pulley. I just replaced the serpentine belt last week so I know that wasn't it. So last night I checked out the tensioner and that was fine so I removed the AC belt and it went away. The compressor seems to be fine and the AC idler pulley spins nice but the AC tensioner seems to be rough. So until I can get a new belt to see if that's it, I'm without AC which is fine since I don't use it anyway. It feels like I picked up at least 1-2 hp! :mrgreen:

[Demonicbird00]

its about 35lbs, the compressor,condensor,lines,and brackets

well worth it IMO.

-brandon

[GP99GT]

aye, cant wait for spring so i can rip mine out...worthless

[Rich189]

its about 35lbs, the compressor,condensor,lines,and brackets

well worth it IMO.

-brandon

lol jeff dont care bout weight that much :P but he doesnt use it to save energy :P.... but then again i think i used my ac 3 or 4 times last year and 2 times were cuz i got sick of my girl complaining

[curt86iroc]

i ripped the a/c system out of my old 86 iroc to clear my intake. didnt really notice anything besides a cleaner looking engine bay.

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

keep it man ac doesn't decrease fuel mileage at all! just fix the ac the way its supposed to be fixed instead of hacking up the car, i guess jsut leve the belt off but dont take the compressor out for when and if you go to sell the car!

[WayFast84]

ac on a daily driver is a must!!! :) i hope my hayunday will have it!

[GP99GT]

a/c is unnecessary with t-tops or a vert...and i got by in my GP with no a/c with just 2 windows. its weaksuace to use a/c

[ar0ck]

A/C is useless in F-bodies, the blowers are horrible and never work when you need them! I ditched mine and haven't looked back. It was a lot cheaper then getting the whole system re-done since mine leaked.

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

ive cruised in plenty of f bodys and i thought the ac blowers worked fine! I can justify tearing out a leaky ac system because of the cost. but if you jsut need a new tensioner why get rid of it, not fixing soemthing as simple as that because you think spinning a pully is going to cost you 2 hp is not the way to go!

thats just my opinion
phil

[JL8Jeff]

I'm not tearing it out, I'm just not gonna put the belt back on any time soon.

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

yeah i knwo you dont wanna tear it out because you dotn do those types of things. :) i was jsut saying tearing it out for something such as a bad tensioner is stupid, and well, fixing the tensioner isnt hard either, so i dunno i jsut figure If you can make it work, make it work.:cold:

[iamsickofitall]

a/c is unnecessary with t-tops or a vert...and i got by in my GP with no a/c with just 2 windows. its weaksuace to use a/c

tell yourself that when it's 100* out and your car has been sitting in the sun for a good long while. you won't want to even attempt to take your t-tops off. i tortured myself several times attempting this over the past couple summers. it cooks your hands good.

A/C FTW

then again, my car is black interior (leather) and exterior, so it probably heats up a good bit more than most.

[ar0ck]

tint the windows & put in a windshield shade!

[JL8Jeff]

Windshield shade is a must to save the interior from sun damage no matter what time of the year. Cloth interior rules! I learned years ago when I had my first car, a 1969 Camaro conv with black vinyl interior. Never leave the top down on a sunny day or bring an extra layer of skin for the back of your legs! :moon:

[transamkid]

im having the a/c taken out of my car, i figured its a 1980 and what the hell who ever bought my car got power windows as an option, so im using them and right foot for my new a/c

[BonzoHansen]

pulling the AC is the easy way out. Pansies. :)

[Savage_Messiah]

My A/c blew stong and cold to the point that I never had it full blast. But I rarely used it since I've got t-tops.... 1 year + without it and there was maybe 1 or 2 days that I wished I had it. Worth it.

[qwikz28]

since its still charged i'm leaving mine in until it gets in the way of the cam install. once it gets discharged or if i realize i rarely use it, out it goes!

btw- on an ls1, its about 60 pounds supposedly. i know brandon said 35 but i believe its more actually

[bad64chevelle]

Windshield shade is a must to save the interior from sun damage no matter what time of the year. Cloth interior rules! I learned years ago when I had my first car, a 1969 Camaro conv with black vinyl interior. Never leave the top down on a sunny day or bring an extra layer of skin for the back of your legs! :moon:

Tell me about it *ouch*

[Savage_Messiah]

since its still charged i'm leaving mine in until it gets in the way of the cam install. once it gets discharged or if i realize i rarely use it, out it goes!

btw- on an ls1, its about 60 pounds supposedly. i know brandon said 35 but i believe its more actually

well... he kinda took hsi out so should know.... but then again i dunno how much r134a weighs. 35 is about right for the system's dry weight I'd imagine.

[IdriveaSh*tbox]

AC is the most useless option in any muscle car. When your cruising in the summer, windows and t-tops(if you gottem) should be down and off. :w00t:

[Savage_Messiah]

ac on a daily driver is a must!!! :) i hope my hayunday will have it!

Smash your modem please

[ar0ck]

Whats wrong with wanting AC in a Daily? The AC in the S10 blows as cold as winter, and it'll be perfect when I switch up driving once & a while.

[79CamaroDiva]

ac in my jeep is ice cold and absolute necessity w/o power windows... we'll see how the summer goes in my z28.. but i've survived all this time w/o a/c in my 79.. i just like the feeling of stepping out of the sun for a minute and sitting in cold air if im outside all day.. dont necessarily need it for a whole drive, just the first few minutes that im in the car.

[Savage_Messiah]

nothing wrong with having t but it's not a must. And he simple fact of wanting a hyundai is punishable by death.... i hate my dad's POS crapbox elantra

[GP99GT]

tell yourself that when it's 100* out and your car has been sitting in the sun for a good long while. you won't want to even attempt to take your t-tops off. i tortured myself several times attempting this over the past couple summers. it cooks your hands good.

A/C FTW

then again, my car is black interior (leather) and exterior, so it probably heats up a good bit more than most.

i had an all black grand prix with black leather interior...and i never used my A/C

[BonzoHansen]

i had an all black grand prix with black leather interior...and i never used my A/CWhat you want, a cookie? :-P

[Savage_Messiah]

i think he wants a pie

[ar0ck]

nothing wrong with having t but it's not a must. And he simple fact of wanting a hyundai is punishable by death.... i hate my dad's POS crapbox elantra

As long as it can get you from point A to B reliably who the hell cares what kind of car it is.

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

that kid wants everythign one day hes got a thirdgen, another a fourth gen, and now a hyundai

[foff667]

did I miss it? What car are we talking about Jeff? The 4th gen?

[GP99GT]

did I miss it? What car are we talking about Jeff? The 4th gen?

4th gens only have 1 belt, no? he said its just the a/c belt so im assuming its the 2nd gen

[Tru2Chevy]

4th gens only have 1 belt, no? he said its just the a/c belt so im assuming its the 2nd gen

I dunno....I thought 4th gens had only 1 belt, but I didn't think and early second gen big block car had a serpentine belt either.

- Justin

[BonzoHansen]

LS1's have a seperate AC belt, right? :)

My 2nd gen will have one serp belt.

[GP99GT]

I dunno....I thought 4th gens had only 1 belt, but I didn't think and early second gen big block car had a serpentine belt either.

- Justin

thats what im saying...it cant be his ls1 cause it has a single serp belt

[Teds89IROC]

I ditched my condensor back when I painted the engine bay and installed the long tubes; tomorrow i will be removing my compressor and the whole bracket on the passenger side of the engine. I picked up an alternator relocation bracket so that will take its place. My AC never worked that well in the iroc anyway and the T-bird blows ice cold, which is my DD, so it doesnt bother me

[Savage_Messiah]

As long as it can get you from point A to B reliably who the hell cares what kind of car it is.

Me.


I think ls1's have a separate belt for A/C

[BonzoHansen]

Yes. I just said that!

[Savage_Messiah]

I know but even after you did people still are in denial

[Savage_Messiah]

thats what im saying...it cant be his ls1 cause it has a single serp belt

you'se gon git :owned:

[GP99GT]

well, ls1s are stupid then

[396LT1SS]

like to have my a/c there if needed i dont like it when people take out their a/c or abs i think it de-values the vehicle greatly

[IROCdan330]

AC is the most useless option in any muscle car. When your cruising in the summer, windows and t-tops(if you gottem) should be down and off. :w00t:

and then when those t-tops leak in a summer rain and you need to defrost fast while driving...the a/c compressor is very helpful.

[BonzoHansen]

like to have my a/c there if needed i dont like it when people take out their a/c or abs i think it de-values the vehicle greatly
Remove ABS? That is teh stoopid.

[Teds89IROC]

like to have my a/c there if needed i dont like it when people take out their a/c or abs i think it de-values the vehicle greatly

that it does but if you never plan on selling it, like me, it doesn't matter 8-)

[BonzoHansen]

that it does but if you never plan on selling it, like me, it doesn't matter 8-)That is what they all say.....

[Teds89IROC]

That is what they all say.....

I've had it since I was 18 and when I bought it, it was totaled and got to where it is now because of me; I'm only expanding. My dad has the same story with his 65 vette, so there are a few who keep their word.

[BonzoHansen]

I've had it since I was 18 and when I bought it, it was totaled and got to where it is now because of me; I'm only expanding. My dad has the same story with his 65 vette, so there are a few who keep their word.
Yeah yeah, 1 in 100,000,000 :lol:

[Teds89IROC]

I regret selling my 92, I'm not gonna make the same mistake twice :lol:

[WayFast84]

j0n did the Sawzall, a/c delete for me, last year, It was great, nothing like a pile of useless, a/c parts in the middle of your driveway!

[JL8Jeff]

The 2000 SS with the LS1 has 2 belts. The AC is driven separately from the rest of the stuff so removing the belt and AC drag(I know it has a lock up clutch but there is still parasitic drag) has to free up at least 1-2 hp. :wink: AC was not available on any solid lifter chevy's back in the day. AC was not available on 67-72 Z28's or 396/375 hp cars or 427 COPO cars.

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

1 Hp is highly doubtful mayby a fraction of a 1 hp but w/e it dosnt matter!

[Rich189]

i have to keep ac once it hits over 95 my girlfriend starts to bitch and moan about how hot it is....its just not worth 1hp to listen to her complain that only happened 2 or 3 times last summer though

[EVIL90SS]

only retards and f***ing clampets take out working a/c systems...ohh yeah, and s*** a** third gens to squeeze more power of the squirrels running on the lil wheel they call the 305.

[Savage_Messiah]

toyota sucks!

[Teds89IROC]

only retards and f***ing clampets take out working a/c systems...ohh yeah, and s*** a** third gens to squeeze more power of the squirrels running on the lil wheel they call the 305.


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[Savage_Messiah]

and then when those t-tops leak in a summer rain and you need to defrost fast while driving...the a/c compressor is very helpful.

WTF... I see this misconception all over the place. Not calling you out Dan, just that's the only word I can think of for it right now.

I understand that the a/c compressor removes a lot of condensation from the air.... but every car I have ever driven or been in, heat on full blast instantly defogs anything. I've even proved people wrong in their own cars about this. No a/c anything in my camaro, and it still is an instant defog when i turn the heat to the windshield vent.

[Teds89IROC]

WTF... I see this misconception all over the place. Not calling you out Dan, just that's the only word I can think of for it right now.

I understand that the a/c compressor removes a lot of condensation from the air.... but every car I have ever driven or been in, heat on full blast instantly defogs anything. I've even proved people wrong in their own cars about this. No a/c anything in my camaro, and it still is an instant defog when i turn the heat to the windshield vent.


:stupid:

[Brando56894]

the one in this bird doesnt blow that cold, so im prolly gonna take it out sometime. i rarely ever use it as it is....

[Jersey_TA]

ac doesn't decrease fuel mileage at all!

Mythbusters did a segment of their show about that. They took 2 identical trucks. One had the AC blasting and the other did not. The one with the AC on went 15 miles less than the one with it turned off.

[Teds89IROC]

Mythbusters did a segment of their show about that. They took 2 identical trucks. One had the AC blasting and the other did not. The one with the AC on went 15 miles less than the one with it turned off.


interesting!

[Tru2Chevy]

Many of us who take our AC out don't do it for the 1ish hp gain from not spinning the pulley - it's for the 35-50 lb weight savings (depending on the year). Or for some it's just to clean up the engine bay and make it cleaner.

- Justin

[Brando56894]

Mythbusters did a segment of their show about that. They took 2 identical trucks. One had the AC blasting and the other did not. The one with the AC on went 15 miles less than the one with it turned off.

i thought it was like 50 not 15 :confused:

[Jersey_TA]

i thought it was like 50 not 15 :confused:

Was it 50? I knew it had a 5 in it.

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

no it was more like 5! and that could jsut be a difference in driving style around the oval. i get 34 mpg at 75 mph in the fiero ac full blast frost coming out of the vents and 30 mpg with windows down at the smae speed cruise control set.

[Jersey_TA]

no it was more like 5! and that could jsut be a difference in driving style around the oval. i get 34 mpg at 75 mph in the fiero ac full blast frost coming out of the vents and 30 mpg with windows down at the smae speed cruise control set.

Just looked on wikipedia. The car with the AC off went 30 more laps around the track than the one with the AC on. They also did seperate tests on the trucks to determine they're identical fuel efficiency. They both had the cruise set at 55 for the test and only 5 gallons of gas.

[BonzoHansen]

Mythbusters, that monument of scientific methods. :) I always found that at highway speeds, my cars got equal or better MPG with AC on/windows up then AC off/windows down. We tried it on a trip in my Civic back in the day. If you want to say the additional weight costs some MPG, sure, but it is pretty negligible. I would speculate AC diminishes MPG around town, but again, there are so many variables, so what? Laying off the skinny pedal on the right is a far bigger influence to local MPG. The argument is weak on both sides and therefore the MPG argument is moot.

I think we all agree the HP impact is also negligible, especially with more modern compressors, which I am pretty sure are more efficient then old C6 compressors.

And on cool high humidity days, AC does make defrosters work better. There is no doubt about that. The AC died in my Olds late last summer. There are some days, especially cooler rainy days, that the windows all fog up (not just the windshield) and the best I can hope for is a mostly clear windshield. The condition grows worse with more people in the car due to the extra body heat. There is a reason why modern cars turn the AC on when you hit the defrost button.

I know it hurt the resale on my 82 Trans Am. A lot of people called, heard no AC and said ‘no thanks’. T-Tops, PW and all.

Justin is right – clutter or weight savings for real race cars. I like my DD AC, I hate going a lot of places (like work) all sweaty. I better get it fixed.

Besides, pulling the AC is just a redneck hack. :lol:

[JL8Jeff]

For long trips at highway speeds leaving the AC on won't really hurt much at all. But for daily driving with traffic lights and stop signs it will make a big difference in mpg. I took the belt off because something was squealing real bad. But I'm sure it picked up a couple of HP as well because the AC belt is tensioned and spins a weighted pulley on the AC compressor. The more I thing about it, it has to be at least 3 hp I picked up! :wink:

[Z28Justin]

i LOVE my ac i just re did all or the rings new blower and refilled it and i could never be with out it the ttops suck in direct sun and slow traffic and when its raining your screwed.

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

Mythbusters, that monument of scientific methods. :) I always found that at highway speeds, my cars got equal or better MPG with AC on/windows up then AC off/windows down. We tried it on a trip in my Civic back in the day. If you want to say the additional weight costs some MPG, sure, but it is pretty negligible. I would speculate AC diminishes MPG around town, but again, there are so many variables, so what? Laying off the skinny pedal on the right is a far bigger influence to local MPG. The argument is weak on both sides and therefore the MPG argument is moot.

I think we all agree the HP impact is also negligible, especially with more modern compressors, which I am pretty sure are more efficient then old C6 compressors.

And on cool high humidity days, AC does make defrosters work better. There is no doubt about that. The AC died in my Olds late last summer. There are some days, especially cooler rainy days, that the windows all fog up (not just the windshield) and the best I can hope for is a mostly clear windshield. The condition grows worse with more people in the car due to the extra body heat. There is a reason why modern cars turn the AC on when you hit the defrost button.

I know it hurt the resale on my 82 Trans Am. A lot of people called, heard no AC and said ‘no thanks’. T-Tops, PW and all.

Justin is right – clutter or weight savings for real race cars. I like my DD AC, I hate going a lot of places (like work) all sweaty. I better get it fixed.

Besides, pulling the AC is just a redneck hack. :lol:

:stupid: out of all the people on here i expect you Jeff, to fix you car properly than just romoving the belt to avoid a problem that is all!

[JL8Jeff]

It'll get fixed. Probably right before I go to sell it! :mrgreen: I do want to run a couple of tanks without it to see if there is an increase in mpg. And I just remembered that I'll probably want the AC working when I have to pick up a new keg in the middle of the summer.:cheers:

[BonzoHansen]

:stupid: out of all the people on here i expect you Jeff, to fix you car properly than just romoving the belt to avoid a problem that is all!As long as he leaves the original compressor there to keep the car #s & date code matching. ;) :mrgreen:

[firehawk1120]

A/C isn't necessary when you are younger and don't care about sweating like a pig. When you are driving around and meeting clients, going to lunch, working with others it's not very pretty to be sitting in the sun sweating through your dress shirt and stinking up the joint.

I love my A/C in the Hawk and the Altima. If I'm not working I don't use it, but if I have to work then the A/C is a MUST.