no longer allowed to sell parts on the board

[ted gerlach]

i have a question to everyone on the board who i have gotten parts / cars from or sold parts or cars to, my adds will be canceled due to the fact they think i am making money off the board, so what due you guys think, i would like to know, i cant afford to pay to try and sell parts, i would make a donation if i sold some parts or a car but if its not sold due to the board why should i have to pay?

[GP99GT]

you dont contribute to any other part of the board that ive seen

edit: you have 242 posts, 229 of which are in the classifieds...and one of those 13 that arent in the classfieds is this one

[BonzoHansen]

To be fair, Paul (SmokingSS) pays his freight (PEH P&P).

[jola]

How I understand it to work is by not sponsoring yet taking advantage of the same opportunities as those who sponsor leaves little incentive for playing by the rules. It undercuts contributing sponsors, which isn't fair to them, who help enable the very existence of the board.

[bad64chevelle]

I think some people <you are one of the ones in question> who contribute absolutely nothing to this website are just here to sell their stuff. It may be a little different if you werent parting vehicles out and selling all the parts from it (like what paul does). Since he is a paying sponsor and you are not, the problem is that you are stepping on not only Pauls toes, but you are using more than your share of space on the boards that the normal person does and you are not contributing (either monetarily or through activity) here. I think what the administrators are doing is the correct way to deal with you and this problem.

[Savage_Messiah]

you dont contribute to any other part of the board that ive seen

edit: you have 242 posts, 229 of which are in the classifieds...and one of those 13 that arent in the classfieds is this one

What he said

[WayFast84]

Its not the paying part, its the fact that 98% of the time you post, its In the classifieds. Im sure they would let you use the classifieds if you had more posts in other sections, instead of using njfboa, as an ebay

[GP99GT]

Its not the paying part, its the fact that 98% of the time you post, its In the classifieds. Im sure they would let you use the classifieds if you had more posts in other sections, instead of using njfboa, as an ebay

actually its 94.6%

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

I agree with what the above people said. But I'm probably biased, as I have almost 300 posts, and the only ones in classified were for stuff I was interested in buying, never sold anything or tried to.

[iamsickofitall]

actually its 94.6%

95% before this thread was started

[ted gerlach]

i dont mind making a donation, but in regaurds to parts or cars i dont agree,
i would make a donation only after a part or car is sold on the board then make the donation to the board for helping the sale, but if the parts or car for sale never sell or are not sold on the board then why pay? most of the time i just junk the stuff, i dont get involved with other posts it not my place, i will in the future have more to due and meet more people when i am able to have something nice for both me and my wife to pull up together in the 2 cars with the 5 of us now, at witch time i will not need anymore parts or cars just the 2

[BonzoHansen]

There is nothing wrong with selling parts - but it looks like you sell a whole lot more then the average guy - appearing to be a business, regardless of whether you make profit. And that throws you out of the average club member selling stuff realm.

FWIW, if you are not making $$ on all these parts you sell, you are wasting valuble time you will never get back - kids, cars, wife, whatever. Just my $.02, no offense meant. Life is too short.

If you are making some scratch, ponying up a sponsorship may give you more creedence with members who do not know you. Of course, if anyone in your town catches on you are advertising, I bet your house is not zoned for that. So it is a crap shoot.

[BigAls87Z28]

Eh, who cares? Its the internet. People are getting parts and cars or both from this guy, and he hasnt bugged anyone here. He is great to deal with and is a heck of a nice guy overall. I dont think that Ted should pay just cause he uses the site to sell parts that WE want! Ted's contribution to this site IS the trillions of parts the man has!!

[NJSPEEDER]

the "it's the internet" argument is meaningless.
fact is that we have a paying sponsor who parts out cars, we have policies listed in the classifieds forum rules about people who exclusively use the club forums to make money, and we expect those who's only interest is to cash in on our membership to help support those same members by supporting the club.
these are rules that were requested by our members and we will stand by them.
ted has been offered the opportunity to contribute and has declined that opportunity. the offer is open if he cares to step into the advertising sponsor role anytime in the future.

[BigAls87Z28]

Its not my site, what I say or what I feel has nothing to do with the final choice made by the owners of this site.

[baddest434]

If you are making some scratch, ponying up a sponsorship may give you more creedence with members who do not know you.

that sure seems like the proper thing to do especially if your profiting off it.

[ted gerlach]

like i said i dont mide making a donation off of what sells on the board but i dont want to spend anymore money on this habbit of mine than i half to,
i have been into cars my whole life even when i almost lost my life after a car accident, i am in extreem pain from the accident everyday, i dont take medication due to the fact i can get a short fuse and get really mad easly, stripping cars and selling the parts is the theropy i use to deal with my injury, seeing other people happy with the parts is the thrill i get, as fars as the parts are concerned.

if someone does not buy the wrecked car before it get to the junk yard the parts are lose forever, cosmos aka green acers no long sells parts any car that goes in there is crushed with in day, there are a few select people who can buy cars and parts from them i just happen to be one of them, i wanted to save as many parts and cars as possible. and help other people out with them

[johnjzjz]

this is going on - on all of the car sites - how does the site take advantage of the windfall of the site with out chasing people away -- the sites i see have a voluntary donation at a fixed percentage 2 / 3 percent of sale on items not sure on big stuff what they do -- its fair to all - cept for the jac$ass who wont help the site and wants all for himself, yet their the first to give someone stuff about getting paid - racingjunk .com has a neat way of doing it just for an example -- if you use the site for what ever reason you should be responsible enough to help out with some coin, if you because of the site sell things, that otherwise you would have to pay for an add to have sold otherwise --- well dig dude buck up -- its only fair you use you contribute -- just my 3-1/2 cents -- jz

[maroman88]

ehh this guys been here a while, if he doesnt have time to talk in other threads (i think he sed hes got a wife and kids and a house) then so be it. many people have bought parts from him and from what ive read he seems like a nice guy. hes selling his own stuff, its not like he posts 4 threads in an hour about "friends he just met cars for sale" leave him alone, wat has become of this place???

[Savage_Messiah]

Well there was the engine I was gonna buy and then all of a sudden the whole car was junked, and a few other members I know have gotten parts sold out from under them too, not jut me....

[Jared1970Chevelle]

i agree with bigals comment how everyone would benefit...him and the parts buyers....

ps

do you guys BITCH about everything....lmfao.... this dude is trying to sell parts he doesnt need....these parts might benefit some of you guys if you or i need them.... he isnt trying to make a business out it....just simply making room and getting rid of stuff he dont need or have use for and like he said helping us out with a connection he got...

[Savage_Messiah]

just simply making room and getting rid of stuff he dont need or have use for

False... he only comes to the board to sell stuff (that anyone's seen) and what you said is not the case if he keeps getting more stuff to sell.

[Jared1970Chevelle]

w.e the dudes just selling his stuff and its benefiting both parties.... i do the same **** on here... are yous gunna ban me from selling **** on here?

[ted gerlach]

its simple i had 25 f-bodys, got in trouble with the town i am now down to 7 out of that 7 i will get down to 3 possibly 2, a close friend of me has 15 f-bodys that he is going to fix and sell and about 25 cars worth of parts and hardly ever sell anything but now he wanted me to let people know he had stuff for sale, he has the biggest collection of parts i have seen, amoung all my friend with parts or cars for sale, to make it simple when i want to sell something i want it gone, and it usally gets a week then its gone

to make it simple just find me if you want something or post a wanted ad,
if you buy it i will send in the donation,

the only thing i ask is to let the 91 trans am add to run, if i sell it complete or sell parts from it i will send the donation in,

[ted gerlach]

and just an idea of the cars i have
92 firebird convertable white v-6 auto with black interior and top
91 trans am black convertable 383 tpi to be installed 6-speed tan interior and top
89 formula convertable red 350tpi auto black top and interior
88 iroc convertable under construction [ has deposit ]
92 firebird teal green 305 tbi auto tan interior t-top for sale
91 trans am for parts or whats left up on board
91 blue formula 350 tpi auto black interior may trade for a suburban
this is just a list of the f-bodys i have other cars too

[NJSPEEDER]

he agreed to the rules, he was reported as violating the rules by a few people, it was looked into, the rules were enforced. that is how rules are supposed to work, for the benefit of all the members, not just the ones who want to cry about being a victim when they get enforced.

[baddest434]

got e-bay?

[JSPERFORMANCE]

It all comes down to one thing...

The all mighty $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Jared1970Chevelle]

ebay is the ruination of the car parts world.... everyone gets top doller for junkkk on that s***.... a good example is autometer gauges.... brand new there like say 60 bucks.... used for 2 years and has scratches on ebay they got for 55 bucks with like some ridic amount of shipping.... and people been buying that s*** for like ever....

[BonzoHansen]

ebay is the ruination of the car parts world.... everyone gets top doller for junkkk on that ****.... a good example is autometer gauges.... brand new there like say 60 bucks.... used for 2 years and has scratches on ebay they got for 55 bucks with like some ridic amount of shipping.... and people been buying that **** for like ever....What's wrong with people getting paid for their stuff? If someone is willing to pay, so what? If you were selling your stuff, you'd want fair price, no?

[Jared1970Chevelle]

im saying ebay brought about price inflation... and if people spend 55 dollers on a 2 year used gauge with no sender + the 7 10 or 15 doller shipping i sometimes see...... comparedd to spending 5 dollers more for a brand new one from a parts catalog.... all im sayin.... thats just one example... i can tell you 1000000 more lol...

[sbcpower]

ebay is both good and bad; the prices have gotten rediculous for the most part, ebay might be one of the most expensive places to buy something; but it might also be the cheapest too. the small guys like alot of us are still out there buying/selling/bartering with their parts/cars. i bought my '96 TA 2 years ago w/ every option (other than WS-6) w/ 90k for $5000! in perfect working order! I've seen the same if not similar cars go for upwards of $9500-$10000. Whole front end clip for my '69 $1500 in flawless condition from a guy going to a glass clip.I'm on eBay quite a bit w/ over 500 transactions 100% good feedback :-) but these type of sites are one of the best places to buy/sell f-body parts.

BACK ON TOPIC
I don't think there is anything wrong with selling parts on a site like this; but it does seem like the administration/moderators have laid out a detailed set of terms that we all agreed to. If he is in violation of that I guess something must be done; not because I disagree with the guy selling his stuff, but moreso because the sponsors will most likely get angry. Heck on the other site I'm on you have to have at least 50 non-buying/selling related posts before you can sell something haha. Rules are rules right? Just my .02

[baddest434]

i can see having parts every now and again to sell but if 90% of your post are classified and your not even a supporter well read the writing on the wall.
personally i have no problem with you selling just maybe become more involved with the club other then for njfboa-bay!

[johnjzjz]

i sell on e blows all the time -- almost every thing i have bought is junk -- its the only place you have the market the local paper cant match -- i have sold racing take outs all over the world -- no one local even calls -- so its high because the dollar is weak -- jz

[Koll]

Wow. This site turned into a Nazi Regime

[bad64chevelle]

Wow. This site turned into a Nazi Regime

No not so much as that they want to not piss off PAYING sponsors to this website. I know that if I was paying to be a sponsor on here and my business was to get cars, part them out and sell them on here, and some other person was doing the same over and over again taking some of my business I would be a little upsed. Not only that but the admins pay out of pocket to run this site, and letting other people run businesses off something they are paying for is kinda ****** without a little reimbursement.

[BonzoHansen]

...Not only that but the admins pay out of pocket to run this site, and letting other people run businesses off something they are paying for is kinda ****** without a little reimbursement.QFT

[Koll]

Sites dont cost hundreds of dollars to run. I know Ive run them.
The cost of domain and hosting, for a site like this would cost at most, A YEAR around $150.
A site like this could probably get away with only half.

[GrandmasterCow]

That is true, to run a site is just hosting and a domain, but then by having sponsors the admins can raise the money to provide locations for meets and events that we all love attending. i think they should do somethig similiar as LS1tech.com and as a previous poster stated, 50 non-classifieds posting before they can post in classifieds.

[baddest434]

wtf are sponsors for?

[NJSPEEDER]

sorry to burst your bubble koll, but we blow up cheap little servers like that. it is cheap to register a domain name, it is cheap to printou ta few flyers, it is not too expensive to pay for a few reservations here and there,and servers that can support our volume are not terribly expensive, but once you add all that stuff up it is actually a lot of money.
it's not liek we are trying to run this site for a profit, we are jsut trying to run it so that it pays for itself and leaves a few extra bucks to support cool events and activities for our memebrs.
to cover the costs without charging the members for every little thing we do takes advertising sposnors. we can't have people taking advantage of the site for free and expect someone else to pay, that would be a bad business move for any potential sponsor and prevent the club from getting any help.
our charges reflect our position of jsut wanting the club to support itself too. we only charge $25/month or $250 prepaid for a year to provide a ton of benefits for anyone who cares to support us. does $25 a month to advertise sound like too much to ask of someone who parts out about two cars a month worth a few thousnad dollars in parts on each? especially when it is obvious that advertising would provide increased visibility and generate more sales.
believe it or not, many of us do actually support the companies that support the club and sites they participate in before non-sponsoring companies.

[johnjzjz]

being an admid has to blow -- the hours that is required to police the site alone is like another job all unto it self - and if the people doing it can generate a few bucks to off set the time and ( bull ) they in some cases have to put up with - well so be it - nothing is for free all comes with a cost ( time ) and time is age that happens while you planing something else - jz

[GrandmasterCow]

being an admid has to blow -- the hours that is required to police the site alone is like another job all unto it self - and if the people doing it can generate a few bucks to off set the time and ( bull ) they in some cases have to put up with - well so be it - nothing is for free all comes with a cost ( time ) and time is age that happens while you planing something else - jz

got that right haha. i've been admin on many sites and run my own hosting company, gets very hectic. i show a lot of respect to Justin and Tim for running this site and taking good care of its members. When i first came here there was like 300, now theres over 1,000! hah

[sbcpower]

true on the sponsers and their purpose; while a domain may not cost much the little things do certainly add up; especially any costs for meets/events. also if the njfboa promotes themselves at any tracks or larger events that would contribute as well to overall costs. not to mention the sponsors provide us, the consumer, with the opportunity to do more product research/comparison at vendors we may have not even known existed. and like stated before, without sponsorship FREE membership may not always be possible. and i'm brand new to the site but am already enjoying the FREE membership. haha 8-)

grandmaster cow- nice call on the ls1tech reference; wasn't sure if we could namedrop on other forum sites like that. NOOB here haha

[Ian]

grandmaster cow- nice call on the ls1tech reference; wasn't sure if we could namedrop on other forum sites like that. NOOB here haha

as far as I know, we dont have any "beef" with any other car clubs/websites...except maybe one mustang site :lol:

[Jared1970Chevelle]

i like this forum and i also like cheeseburgers with raw onions and a hint of ketchup....

[GrandmasterCow]

i like this forum and i also like cheeseburgers with raw onions and a hint of ketchup....

& a Gino's Cheesesteak

[NJSPEEDER]

i think they should do somethig similiar as LS1tech.com and as a previous poster stated, 50 non-classifieds posting before they can post in classifieds.

We were actually doing that for a long time, but then it became clear that we had many members that have been on the site for a year or more and just don't post that much but still had a few things here and there to sell. Currently it is 6 months membership or 50 posts to use the classifieds and it seems to be working fairly well. Hopefully we can continue to avoid similar issues from developing in the future.

sbcpower, staying a free site is very important to Justin and I. neither of us feel it should be necessary to pay just to participate in a web community. As long as things keep heading the way they have been recently we will be able to have the club run efficiently and still keep adding features and events to the club.

[jims69camaro]

Hopefully we can continue to avoid similar issues from developing in the future.

there will always be someone that will try to get over. it's a shame that there are pity posts like this one, trying to garner public support as if that will make a difference. rules are there for a reason; while they may be subject to change, crying in your beer ain't gonna help.

[ted gerlach]

i will go back and try to find everypost i have where something was sold on the board and make a donation , thats fair, and when i sell parts on this site i will make more donations as long as you agree if not oh well, as far as posts go i could careless, as far as the parts go if you need them find me.

[dan]

i can see this from both sides of the fence, i really dont post all too often in non classified threads (or as of late post at all) and i've never been to a club event bc its just not something i've been able to make time for ..since i dont actually live in jersey..and rarely go there anymore since my in-laws moved to NC
i originally signed up here for the sole purpose of using the classifieds, i'm far from a business but for awhile i did what ted does...buy a car to get a part or 2 ya need thats in really good shape..sell whats left to offset the cost of buying the car...example, ted bought my 91 formula which i had posted here, he only wanted the seats and afew other interior bits for his 89 formula, the rest i'm sure he just sold off hte best he could to offset the cost of buying my car and transporting it..i wouldnt really say he is running a business....but i can also see how it can be seen as taking advantage of the board...

cant we all just get along? :)

[off topic]btw is there any new shirts being designed for the board?[/off topic]

[Tru2Chevy]

[off topic]btw is there any new shirts being designed for the board?[/off topic]

http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24610

- Justin

[foff667]

Yeah I think the biggest misconception is the server fees...for the capacity this site needs for the traffic it sees it ends up costing Justin/Tim something like $400-700/year...this is the host they use & some of the plans they have

http://www.knownhost.com/services/vps.html

mind you they charge a minimal amount per year for their sponsors so if they are lucky they break even.

I had this misconception a while back as well and sometimes the truth hurts, but in the end that is how much it costs for hosting a site with the amount of members are here.

Like Tim said rules were broken so they had to take action...I mean comon...all they ask is that you post a few times a week then have at it in the classifieds section...giving a few bucks for sponsoring for even a month wouldnt hurt the cause.

[nj85z28]

my only gripe with this whole situation is sometimes you come off as a very shady person. cars with no titles and no explaination why there isnt one or parts ive asked and asked for never seem to get a decent response. in the past ive even gotten warnings in my pm box for considering even doing business with you.

dont take it as a personal shot or anything like that, but it comes off as exactly what it probably is, shady business

[FAST Z]

hope you guys don't get mad at me then... I came here thinking someone with a car like mine may need my extra parts... not necessarily to make money cause these damn cars always cost me more than I make.... but if someone like an admin from this board has a problem sorry.. please give me a call.. I figured this board would appreciate my parts more than some schmuck from like ebay........ again sorry.. I just posted this as a pre appology....

[Savage_Messiah]

hope you guys don't get mad at me then... I came here thinking someone with a car like mine may need my extra parts... not necessarily to make money cause these damn cars always cost me more than I make.... but if someone like an admin from this board has a problem sorry.. please give me a call.. I figured this board would appreciate my parts more than some schmuck from like ebay........ again sorry.. I just posted this as a pre appology....

You've got 3 posts.... plenty of time to offer your two cents on the tech boards, other lounge posts, etc.... if you're active in the classifieds and only the classifieds like the member in question that's one thing, but if you're active all over the boards that's another.

[ted gerlach]

ok to get a better understanding i sometimes cars from inpound yards for the parts but cannoot sell the car complete,it must go back to the impaund yard so they can send it to the scrap yard so it can be recycled, i also get cars from the local junkyard sometimes, thats why the cars have no titles the arrangement are they get whats left back, this was a way to get parts, most cars are here for 2 weeks then they are gone no exceptions, its a great arrangement but with all the complications with the pregnacy with the wife and all the crap i have to go throught with parts i tryed to get out last year but still have so much crap its still going to take time to get out, and just concentrate on the family, come summer time i work for a tow company at night so i am not going to have time for much for this crazy habbit of mine, i have begun to pass on cars even cheep 4th gens, enought is enought,

[Knipps]

ok to get a better understanding i sometimes cars from inpound yards for the parts but cannoot sell the car complete,it must go back to the impaund yard so they can send it to the scrap yard so it can be recycled, i also get cars from the local junkyard sometimes, thats why the cars have no titles the arrangement are they get whats left back, this was a way to get parts, most cars are here for 2 weeks then they are gone no exceptions, its a great arrangement but with all the complications with the pregnacy with the wife and all the crap i have to go throught with parts i tryed to get out last year but still have so much crap its still going to take time to get out, and just concentrate on the family, come summer time i work for a tow company at night so i am not going to have time for much for this crazy habbit of mine, i have begun to pass on cars even cheep 4th gens, enought is enought,

you can send the cheap 4th gen info my way ;)

[bubba428]

dude...rules are there for a reason. Just pay the damn fee and have at it. i've never seen a post of yours and where but this one. As far as i can see this is just pathetic...grow a pair or contribute

[Jared1970Chevelle]

400-700 to run this site for the year??!?!?!!??!?!? dangggg my boy from staten island has the same set up more people more hosting more sections and its a fraction of that cost!!!!!

i feel bad for ted.... his sellings are no where near a business and you guys are doing what you do best....ganging up on an individual like your rules go against that...... besides i think i sold a pair of 5 doller headlight covers in the past.... can i have a address to send my 50 cents worth of donation? 10% im a fair fair man..

[NJSPEEDER]

ted asked the question, people are answering him. i have trouble seeing that as ganging up on him.

this isn't a tough place to hang out and there is certainly more than just the classifieds section for everyone to participate in.

[Tru2Chevy]

400-700 to run this site for the year??!?!?!!??!?!? dangggg my boy from staten island has the same set up more people more hosting more sections and its a fraction of that cost!!!!!

Well then he either found a killer deal with a web host, or he's running sites that aren't nearly as server-intensive as this one....

- Justin

[baddest434]

you tell him:geek: