VA Tech Shooting...at least 32 dead

[Tru2Chevy]

At least 22 dead, including who police believe was the lone gunman.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html

Kasey heard that it was all over issues with a girl......

- Justin

[5.7TA]

why I go to an online college :wink:

That is terrible

[GrandmasterCow]

thats rediculous. im talking to one of my friends now that knows someone involved

[qwikz28]

damn... what a shame. theres a bunch of loonies out there :(

[firehawk1120]

Probably due to some nappy headed ho.


At least 22 dead, including who police believe was the lone gunman.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html

Kasey heard that it was all over issues with a girl......

- Justin

[ryanfx]

thats rediculous. im talking to one of my friends now that knows someone involved

that knew someone involved or knows someone?

[Oddball]

I posted this on CamaroZ28.com...
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I'm a VT Alum (BSME, '95). You don't understand how much of a shock this is to a place like Blacksburg. When I was a freshman in 1991, they used to physically prop open the outer doors on all of the male dorms all night.

They only had "night monitors" in the female dorms and some of the co-ed dorms to make sure guys weren't going on panty raids.

They still talked about the last "violent crime" on campus that happened sometime in the mid 80's as if it was folklore.

This is one of the last places you would expect this to happen.
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Now I hear the total is up to 32.

[GrandmasterCow]

that knew someone involved or knows someone?

my friend's talking to his friendd who was standing near one of the dead victims and he was telling him the scene and everything.

[BonzoHansen]

Wow, that is awful. 31 people dead according to MSNBC. Very very sad.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Holy shiot! I know a few people who go there! Gotta go check on em...

[BonzoHansen]

Damn, he chained the doors shut so people couldn't escape. All very random. So sad. I can't imagine the fear the students there felt.

[firehawk1120]

http://www.comcast.net/data/news/photoshow/html/news/638063.html
looks like the cop has his hands full. :D

[BonzoHansen]

Up to 32 people killed. This is awful.

[baddest434]

wtf is this world coming to. christ sake going to school is'nt even safe anymore wtf!!!

[Ian]

Probably due to some nappy headed ho.

http://www.comcast.net/data/news/photoshow/html/news/638063.html
looks like the cop has his hands full. :D

33 people dead and you're making jokes....wonderful.

One of my best friends goes to VT, luckily he was working when it all happened.

[98tadriver]

my friend's talking to his friendd who was standing near one of the dead victims and he was telling him the scene and everything.


nah uh you dont have friends :lol:

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

This is crazy...I really dont even know what to say about it all. How can 2 people get shot and then 2 hours later another 30?? Thats pretty scary!! That place shoulda been on lock down and swarming with cops!!

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

This is what was posted on VT's web site - they are saying that there are 33 dead. Its all very sad!

Campus remains closed; convocation Tuesday at Cassell
04.16.2007, Updated 4:45 p.m.

Two shooting incidents on campus today have left 33 dead. Thirty-one, including the gunman, died at Norris Hall; two died at West Ambler Johnston Hall. Fifteen other victims from Norris are being treated at area hospitals.

The university is in the process of identifying victims and notifying next-of-kin. Names will not be released until that process is complete.

Counseling assistance for students is available at West Ambler Johnston and McComas halls until 9 p.m. tonight. Students are encouraged to utilize these services.

Counseling for faculty and staff is available in the Bowman Room on the fourth floor of Jamerson Athletic Center, accessible from Jamerson or the Merryman Athletic Facility.

The university will remain closed Tuesday. Essential personnel are to report for work. Classes are canceled.

A public gathering will be held Tuesday at Cassell Coliseum at 2 p.m.

[Teds89IROC]

I couldn't even imagine, so very sad

[qwikz28]

kinda makes people losing personal belongings in this storm seem so trivial. maybe its just easy for me to say since i have been unaffected by the storm, but as an outsider it seems terrible. my prayers have been with the victims and their families.

[firehawk1120]

the school is F'd. They decided to hold classes even though they had a double murder on campus. Then the students hear gun shots and basically do nothing but sit in their classrooms. I don't get situations like this. Yes it's tradegic but it seems that it got out of hand because people don't think straight and do dumb things.

The cops don't THINK there is a 2nd person involved. This is one of the worst ways to handle situations esp. for the college. It's too bad he didn't just off himself in his room before taking 32 others with him.

[tastyle88]

sad part is ussually when something like this happens,someone else desides to immitate or out do the last person who did it. sometimes its not the best thing to put it on tv cause it gives other people accross world ideas

[Tsar]

some awesome monday night quaterbacking going on here...

[Ian]

some awesome monday night quaterbacking going on here...

I was thinking the same thing.

[Knipps]

sad part is ussually when something like this happens,someone else desides to immitate or out do the last person who did it. sometimes its not the best thing to put it on tv cause it gives other people across world ideas

right, just letting word of mouth spread it and things getting out of hand are better
something this big could not happen and not be on the news

[WildBillyT]

I was thinking the same thing.

As was I. It's easy to look back and point fingers and say what they should have done, knowing what we know now.

[firehawk1120]

ahhh more people for the lovely ignore list. I love it....

[firehawk1120]

yeah common sense is a real hard thing to think about in hindsight I know.

:moon: :banghead:

[Ian]

and to think you once called Tsar immature :rollseye:

[01SS]

I'm typing this from Roanoke VA. My nephew was a victim there and is in the hospital now. All I am going to say is that he is stable and responding to medicine well. I'll let you all know more as time goes on but right now the media is being a royal pain in the ass. So gotta keep info minimal. Talk to you all later.

[Knipps]

I'm typing this from Roanoke VA. My nephew was a victim there and is in the hospital now. All I am going to say is that he is stable and responding to medicine well. I'll let you all know more as time goes on but right now the media is being a royal pain in the ass. So gotta keep info minimal. Talk to you all later.

thank you for sharing what you can.

my school is now being anal about checking ID's [but nothing else] because of this and it's like what will that do?

[BonzoHansen]

I'm typing this from Roanoke VA. My nephew was a victim there and is in the hospital now. All I am going to say is that he is stable and responding to medicine well. I'll let you all know more as time goes on but right now the media is being a royal pain in the ass. So gotta keep info minimal. Talk to you all later.


Good vibes out to your nephew, you & your family.

[BigAls87Z28]

There was no way for the cops to know that after the first 2 dead, that he would go on a murderious rampage ending in another 30 dead.
Not every day do colleges deal with mass killings, so I can only assume that they only assumed that what the first 2 were was just your standard double homicide, not that he would hunt for more blood.
Its very sad to hear this, very sad.

[Ian]

I'm typing this from Roanoke VA. My nephew was a victim there and is in the hospital now. All I am going to say is that he is stable and responding to medicine well. I'll let you all know more as time goes on but right now the media is being a royal pain in the ass. So gotta keep info minimal. Talk to you all later.

I'm glad your nephew is doing alright. He's very lucky.

[firehawk1120]

and to think you once called Tsar immature :rollseye:


what is immature about ignoring people? You want to tell me it was smart for the college to go on like nothing happened after 2 students are murdered at 7 AM. Come on it doesn't take a genius to know classes should have been cancelled until they found the shooter. You have a lot to learn my young padawan. If I could I'd put you on ignore too for agreeing with the boy who knows all.

[NJSPEEDER]

it sounds more like you have a lot to learn.
why would you stop 30k+ peopel from going on with their lives over a murder? would you suggest my whole township stop living with our daily lives because of a murder? of course not, that is not how the world works.
if you came upon two bodies you think crime scene, not OMG there is a shooter loose that is gonna kill 30 more people. especially when the area in question has a violent crime rate far below the national average, they prolly thought it was jsut an anomaly and started an investigation as any officer would be expected to do.
it is common sense, something that has apparently evaded you in this instance. it would be illogical to expect them to create a panic state by rounding up and restricting the innocent when there was no way to know if it would have made any difference in the outcome of the day.

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

I know there is a lot of talk on what should have been done and what shouldnt have been done after everything is all said and done. But for standard procedure the school should have been put on lock down and should have been swarming with cops after the 1st shots were fired. Atleast until they knew wtf was going on. There was info posted on the website about what was going on (after the first 2 shootings) and emails that went out to students....but to be honest..i havent been on my school website in over a month nor do I check my email from there. Difficult to say how they should have went about it. It's all said and done now though and it was very tragic and my heart goes out to the friends and families of the victims.

[Ian]

I know there is a lot of talk on what should have been done and what shouldnt have been done after everything is all said and done. But for standard procedure the school should have been put on lock down and should have been swarming with cops after the 1st shots were fired. Atleast until they knew wtf was going on. There was info posted on the website about what was going on (after the first 2 shootings) and emails that went out to students....but to be honest..i havent been on my school website in over a month nor do I check my email from there. Difficult to say how they should have went about it. It's all said and done now though and it was very tragic and my heart goes out to the friends and families of the victims.

would you mind explaining to me how you lock down a campus that is over 2,000 acres and has over 26,000 students...many of which live off campus?

the police did what the could with what they knew. do you really think in a situation like that the local police department would cut corners? I think they did the best they could given the circumstances and the information they had available.

[BigAls87Z28]

VT like many other major schools is pretty much a small city. It would be like the whole city of Long Branch shutting down due to a murder at Monmouth U, or all of Ewing shutting down due to a death at TCNJ.
They did NOT know he was going to go on a murder rampage. They had no way to know that he was going to then kill 30 people. You couldnt just shut down the whole campus.

[NJSPEEDER]

if cities shut down everytime shots were fired or someone got murdered in this state no one would ever have to go to work. what kind of sense would that make?

[BonzoHansen]

Let's all take a breath. A number of NJ families are directly impacted by this.

*Matt La Porte, 20, from the Bergen County borough of Dumont
*Julia Pryde, 23, a graduate student from Middletown in Monmouth County
*Michael Pohle, a senior from Raritan Township in Hunterdon County
*Mary Read, 19, whose mother lives in Palisades Park.
*Caitlin Hammaren, 19, whose parents live in Kinnelon.

*A student from Gloucester County, Sean McQuade of Mullica Hill, remained in critical condition at a Virginia hospital. He was shot in the face during the attack.

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-11/1176876263290590.xml&coll=1&thispage=1

[Mike]

good call scott....

firhawk since your such a genious move down there and run for the chief of police in blacksburg, that way you can go be a piece of crap on a virgina f-body site.

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

HHmmmm....ths looks like its getting a little crazy in here....I am not looking for battles over here...just stating my opinion....as everyone else seems to be.

[firehawk1120]

That seems to be the problem around here 1 hot som ws6 when your opinion is different from the click you get lambasted.

Unfortunately,what certain individuals are overlooking is the fact that this is NOT a small city it is a SCHOOL. A place of higher learning where parents send there children under the assumption they will be looked after and kept safe. What the school did was make a very VERY bad decision and instead of cancelling classes which would have detered students from going to the campus they said, we don't have all the facts so life as usual will continue.

That is the problem they didn't have all the facts and they made ASSumptions and it's gonna come back and bite them in the ass. The parents should and will be furious after they mourn for the loss of their children.

Anyone on here that thinks the school made a good decision has some major problems IN MY OPINION. Try putting your self in the situation. If you found out that someone on campus was murdered and the cops didn't have a suspect / attacker in custody would you feel safe wandering around the streets or sitting in a class room where there is no where to run. Yeah I didn't think you'd want to be there.

It amazes me time and time again how people are so closed minded to other opinions and at times OBVIOUS truths.

LOL I just noticed something else that I won't get into but Hot som you seem to be the anomaly for your age.

[qwikz28]

That seems to be the problem around here 1 hot som ws6 when your opinion is different from the click you get lambasted.

Unfortunately,what certain individuals are overlooking is the fact that this is NOT a small city it is a SCHOOL. A place of higher learning where parents send there children under the assumption they will be looked after and kept safe. What the school did was make a very VERY bad decision and instead of cancelling classes which would have detered students from going to the campus they said, we don't have all the facts so life as usual will continue.

That is the problem they didn't have all the facts and they made ASSumptions and it's gonna come back and bite them in the ass. The parents should and will be furious after they mourn for the loss of their children.

Anyone on here that thinks the school made a good decision has some major problems IN MY OPINION. Try putting your self in the situation. If you found out that someone on campus was murdered and the cops didn't have a suspect / attacker in custody would you feel safe wandering around the streets or sitting in a class room where there is no where to run. Yeah I didn't think you'd want to be there.

It amazes me time and time again how people are so closed minded to other opinions and at times OBVIOUS truths.

LOL I just noticed something else that I won't get into but Hot som you seem to be the anomaly for your age.

i agree with firehawk (aside from the attacking remarks made towards amy). i think the best bet is to always play it safe when something like that happens. i can understand if it is nighttime and not cancelling school the following day, but if a murder just happened, i would assume you would wanna get everyone the hell out before panic erupts. also, having school in session and a murder investigation going on, doesnt sound too efficient.

but at the same time, you cant blame the school. i'm talking since i have hindsight bias and am not in a critical position. i probably woulda cried for my mother had i been a figure in authority in that situation. its a terrible scenario and that only one to blame is the kid who selfishly took the lives of innocent people, as well as himself. what a shame

[Mike]

the first 2 people were shot IN THEIR ROOM .........PLEASE explain how sending everyone back to their dorms *where 2 people had already been shot* would have been a BETTER idea

[j0n]

THIS WAS AN ISOLATED INCIDENT. As awful as it was, the odds of a similar event occuring are so slim they're not worth mentioning. Pointing fingers does JACK S*** to bring back the poor students and faculty that lost their lives as a result of a madman.

And to Gene specifically, in regards to cracking jokes about such a tragedy, I hope you rot in hell with the murderer and all the ********* politicians who are going to find it necessary to enact new rules and laws for an isolated incident simply to further their own agendas.

edit: I think it would be best to leave this thread open for mourning of the departed only

edit #2: 01SS my prayers go out to your family and specifically your nephew, and i wish him a speedy recovery

[2001orangess]

I was on the beach yesterday for a little mid week vacation and I see in bold letters in the local newspaper that 32 murdered in US... first thing I tought was maybe a huge accident or something but I was wrong..

people here in the phillipines have ask me about it also

I would have to agree with the fact that locking down the whole school would have been a bad idea. I think that advising students to go back into their dorm because a gun man was on the loose might have caused an adverse reaction. You never know what could happen. there could have been a mass panic or something of that nature. if it was a small school than maybe lock down the school but a school with that many students and that many entrances and exits... i think it would be close to impossible.

anyway im not going to point fingers or do the they should have game, the incident is over and there is nothing we can do but be supportive to the familes that were involved. i hope the families well and my condolenses go out to everyone that is involved with this incident

[firehawk1120]

i agree with firehawk (aside from the attacking remarks made towards amy).

who is amy and when did i attack her??

[firehawk1120]

And to Gene specifically, in regards to cracking jokes about such a tragedy, I hope you rot in hell with the murderer and all the ******* politicians who are going to find it neccesary to enact new rules and laws for an isolated incident simply to further their own agendas.



You play quite the moral high road when it serves you. Someone made a comment that this was all over a friggin girl. at the time I figured what the hell the Imus comment was blown out of proportion already might as well try to make a little light of the situation.

As for the picture of the cop, come on I was not making fun of the situation or the seriousness of what happened. They have 1000's of pictures and they plaster the one of the cop carrying a girl out with size frigging DD boobs and it looks like he's holding her boobs.

You need to learn to relax a little bit I wasn't making fun of the situation itself but individual comments and events within the storyline.

This is another problem with the country people with thin skin. They get offended by every little thing and start screaming and don't go getting upset about the saying coming up, but they scream for bloody murder to shut people up.

[Mike]

another thing about "locking down" the campus........did your campus ever get locked down when you were in school?.. do you think thousands of college kids will find out classes are canciled and just go back to their rooms in a quiet and orderly fashion?

i was in monmouth when 911 happend...and they locked down our campus that morning and let me tell you, you couldnt tell the difference.

[WildBillyT]

THIS WAS AN ISOLATED INCIDENT. As awful as it was, the odds of a similar event occuring are so slim they're not worth mentioning. Pointing fingers does JACK **** to bring back the poor students and faculty that lost their lives as a result of a madman.

edit: I think it would be best to leave this thread open for mourning of the departed only

edit #2: 01SS my prayers go out to your family and specifically your nephew, and i wish him a speedy recovery

I'm with j0n on this one. Pointing fingers will not bring anybody back, and it's all speculation on how it would have turned out if they locked down the campus.

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

Let's all take a breath. A number of NJ families are directly impacted by this.

*Matt La Porte, 20, from the Bergen County borough of Dumont
*Julia Pryde, 23, a graduate student from Middletown in Monmouth County
*Michael Pohle, a senior from Raritan Township in Hunterdon County
*Mary Read, 19, whose mother lives in Palisades Park.
*Caitlin Hammaren, 19, whose parents live in Kinnelon.

*A student from Gloucester County, Sean McQuade of Mullica Hill, remained in critical condition at a Virginia hospital. He was shot in the face during the attack.

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-11/1176876263290590.xml&coll=1&thispage=1


I agree. What is done is done. It is very tragic that so many lives were lost in this senseless act. My heart goes out to all the families and friends that were directly impacted by this.

[V]

It is a tragedy and should not have happened. plain and simple. obviously now we all see arguing about it now is pointless so thats setttled.

What i do want to say is that this could have been avoided, not by action of school officials or cops, but by the losers doctors and a judge who went him for mental help 2 years ago. there were so many signs that people ignored. mentally ill? and allowed to buy a gun, im sorry, that doesnt fly with me. Warning bells should have went off about this kid way before it came to this. Even his teachers and fellow students had concerns about his attitudes and writing samples. hopefully people will start to think again and maybe another incident like this will be prevented.

[firehawk1120]

Now now smokingss don't assume you know the answers to everything now that all the facts are coming out. There was no one that could have done anything and everyone should just go on with there lives anytime something tradegic happens esp. if it's a public school or a gov't building like a post office. Business as usual.

(note sarcasm in my voice)

I do agree with you however there was not enough done to prevent this because yet again people don't want to upset anyone and wanted to be PC. If you needed help and people were scared of you then you shouldn't be getting a gun.

[WildBillyT]

and allowed to buy a gun, im sorry, that doesnt fly with me. Warning bells should have went off about this kid way before it came to this.

I'm with you on this one. If you have been flagged for mental illness it should come out in a background check before you are allowed to own a gun. From what I was told, buying guns in that part of VA is not very hard to do.

[shoregirl]

imsorry yeah im a girl but let me tell u somethin that no girl is worth killing yourself over none the less killing 31 others.

[BigAls87Z28]

It wasnt a girl he faught over, it was just general pissed off rant about rich people and how he couldnt deal anymore. Im sure he was picked on, etc etc.

[V]

i heard some of his rantings on tv last night and it seriously got to me, like who the F does he think he is, claiming "you made me do this" BS and "you wrecked my soul"... "i didnt have to do this, i could have left, i could have fled"... seriously STFU. im glad he did himself too, unfortunatley he didnt start with himself. Others had to suffer cuz he was insane. I'm VERY sick of seeing his face and pictures on TV and web pages. Theres no need to make him infamous. Show it for what it was, a suicidal murder spree, nothing more, ignore the one responsible and focus on the victims and the memories of them, not this twit who should have never been born in the first place...

[firehawk1120]

i heard some of his rantings on tv last night and it seriously got to me, like who the F does he think he is, claiming "you made me do this" BS and "you wrecked my soul"... "i didnt have to do this, i could have left, i could have fled"... seriously STFU. im glad he did himself too, unfortunatley he didnt start with himself. Others had to suffer cuz he was insane. I'm VERY sick of seeing his face and pictures on TV and web pages. Theres no need to make him infamous. Show it for what it was, a suicidal murder spree, nothing more, ignore the one responsible and focus on the victims and the memories of them, not this twit who should have never been born in the first place...

AMEN BROTHER.

[NJSPEEDER]

the circumstances of him nto receiving the proper medical care and not being put someplace where he couldn't cause harm to himself or others is jsut a symptom of a bigger problem in our society today.
too often it is left up to the person in ned of help to seek out the appropriate care on their own. not because of a lack of signs or not being noticed by others, but because we have a society that is driven by lawyers and law suits.
if you suggest to someone that they get some help for an emotional problem and they are offended, blamo, multi million dollar lawsuit. the school certainly isn't going to encourage that and the police aren't allowed to react unless there is a crime commited(threatened or physical act) in front of them or with witness' willing to sign a complaint.
our society has gotten away from caring for itself and is leaving it up to TV, lawyers, and the government.
the thing that saddens me the most is that these random acts will now be used as a rallying point for a bunch of misguided causes and stereotypical actions. the point that should be acknowledged is that there are people in this world that need help and that we can all contribute to their betterment in some way.
it takes a whoel society together, to succeed or fail, which do you choose?

[firehawk1120]

amazing I acutally agree with you on that. Goes along with what I was saying about being politically correct and not wanting to offend or upset someone because you are afraid of the ramifications.

:clap: see we can get along...

[qwikz28]

another thing about "locking down" the campus........did your campus ever get locked down when you were in school?.. do you think thousands of college kids will find out classes are canciled and just go back to their rooms in a quiet and orderly fashion?

i was in monmouth when 911 happend...and they locked down our campus that morning and let me tell you, you couldnt tell the difference.

thats a good point. i never thought of it that way. if that happened at rutgers, i would probably go first to find my GF and friends before leaving anyways.

the circumstances of him nto receiving the proper medical care and not being put someplace where he couldn't cause harm to himself or others is jsut a symptom of a bigger problem in our society today.
too often it is left up to the person in ned of help to seek out the appropriate care on their own. not because of a lack of signs or not being noticed by others, but because we have a society that is driven by lawyers and law suits.
if you suggest to someone that they get some help for an emotional problem and they are offended, blamo, multi million dollar lawsuit. the school certainly isn't going to encourage that and the police aren't allowed to react unless there is a crime commited(threatened or physical act) in front of them or with witness' willing to sign a complaint.
our society has gotten away from caring for itself and is leaving it up to TV, lawyers, and the government.
the thing that saddens me the most is that these random acts will now be used as a rallying point for a bunch of misguided causes and stereotypical actions. the point that should be acknowledged is that there are people in this world that need help and that we can all contribute to their betterment in some way.
it takes a whoel society together, to succeed or fail, which do you choose?

another point you didn't touch on is the fact that so many people experience the same symptoms, it is hard to label one or two which would be the mass murderers. soo many americans are depressed and sooo many are violent, how do you know which ones will be the potential threat?

[NJSPEEDER]

there is no one action or comment that will symbolize any particular mental condition. the issues rests inthe concept that, in large part, we don't know each other as individuals in society anymore.
think of how many/few peole you can honestly say you know intimately. i woudl bet there are very few people that you know much about, even within family.
the inverse is the town my mom is from in upstate, ny. most of my family still lives up there and they all know me and my brother and everything about my mom. even though i only get up there a few times a year, they know me well enough to see if i am ove tired, stressed, in a bad mood, or if i am feeling and doing well. it isn't really the level of care that is so different than my neighbors here, it is the willingness to be involved and engaged with the people around them.
my point is, if you talk to people and take the time to listen, you will know when something just isn't right.