De-Mod or Sell as whole?

[ar0ck]

I've come to a point with my car that I am absolutely sick of it. Yes I know it isn't supposed to be reliable since I messed with it, but I think its gotten to a point where its getting ridiculous that I am pissing so much money away on this car. I want to purchase a new car but right now the funds won't allow it since I owe my parents for some money and I have plenty of bills I would like to pay off.

I know a lot of older people will say, sell it and save your money and buy something else down the road, but I disagree. I see it to often when the older folks say "Oh I should have kept that car" or "I have a family now and I can't afford to buy that car and it will just have to wait" I hear the same thing from everyone. I'm young, I still go to college (which is paid for) I don't see myself getting married in the near future, and I don't have to move out immediately.

Should I just return my car back to stock, sell off the after market parts, and sell the car as is? Or is there a chance I could make more money off completely parting the car?

[SamhainZ28]

well if you decide to part it out, i would imagine you could get more money ontop of the car as long as you have all the parts to return it back to stock

[NJSPEEDER]

sinc eyou will never get all of your money back that you invested you have to decide what your time is worth. if you return the car to stock to sell and get rid of all the upgrades and performance parts seperately you will get the most money back out of it.
if you sell it as is then you will saveyoruself a bunch of time and hassle in th eprocess, but not get nearly as much money back.

[98tadriver]

demod it and what not, sell it, and then do a LS7/6spd swap in your S10!

[deadtrend1]

De-mod what you can and then sell it

[BigAls87Z28]

Fix the engine problems, rip it out with trans, sell to me for 4 grand, I put it in 72, then you sell the shell, invest in high return stocks, hold off for 3 years, buy a 2010 Camaro Z28, w00tastic!!

[nj85z28]

i agree. demod

[qwikz28]

depends, are you gonna dump the money right away into another toy? or save it to pay off bills and finish school?

[Untamed]

Why not return it to stock... and drive it? If your problems stem from all the mods, then sell the mods and drive the stock car. Make some money back, drive the car you enjoy, and put the money from the sold mods into some low yield, low risk investment. Finish school, keep your investments, get a job, and decide if you want to sell off the stock Camaro for something new down the road.

[Firebird67dude]

Demod it and sell me the headers and y pipe. I understand what you meaqn about regreting selling the car. I never should of sold the 67 but you know what, I have the T/A now and within the next few years I'll be able to afford any toy I want.

Whatever you want to do let me know. I'll gladly help with any work that needs to be done.

[Teds89IROC]

I think you would regret selling it; you have the S10 so theres no immediate need to drop tons of money into the camaro to get it to run right. It's your hobby and you invest what time and money you want to. I'm sure later down the road you're gonna reach the same point with a new toy as you are now and run into problems like everyone does, all over again. I say keep it. If you need to, return the engine to stock as far as heads/cam/intake and enjoy it for the summer. Save up your cash and build a strong bottom end to swap in with your heads/cam/intake over the winter. I'll gladly lend a hand with anything you decide to do as well

[WayFast84]

want to trade cars?

[qwikz28]

I think you would regret selling it; you have the S10 so theres no immediate need to drop tons of money into the camaro to get it to run right. It's your hobby and you invest what time and money you want to. I'm sure later down the road you're gonna reach the same point with a new toy as you are now and run into problems like everyone does, all over again. I say keep it. If you need to, return the engine to stock as far as heads/cam/intake and enjoy it for the summer. Save up your cash and build a strong bottom end to swap in with your heads/cam/intake over the winter. I'll gladly lend a hand with anything you decide to do as well

:werd: i'm getting mighty handy with a wrench. i now serve a purpose :)

[1984camaroz28]

sell it and buy a LS1

[CJDZ24_Z28]

sell it and buy a LS1

I couldn't of said it better. I have owned 5 LT1 cars. all great cars but the little problems were enough to drive me crazy.

[Teds89IROC]

then what will all you say once the LS1 is 12 years old "sell it and buy the lsx" :lol: It'll never end

[qwikz28]

then what will all you say once the LS1 is 12 years old "sell it and buy the lsx" :lol: It'll never end

thats cause there will always be something newer and better coming out... capitalism my friend :)

[BigAls87Z28]

Whiiiich brings me back to my post....

Fix the engine problems, rip it out with trans, sell to me for 4 grand, I put it in 72, then you sell the shell, invest in high return stocks, hold off for 3 years, buy a 2010 Camaro Z28, w00tastic!!

[lastcall190]

Demodding and selling off can take forever, and if you don't get rid of everything, then you're stuck with not as much money as you hoped and spare parts that might find the dump. I contemplated the same thing with my last car, but sold it for less than it was worth and it sold thankfully very fast. Good luck.

-J

[Pampered-Z]

This is something that you really need to decide,,, but I give you my aged wisdom! :grampsch:

I know how you feel, been there many times. When you feel like your throwing good money after bad you just want to walk away. Just don't be too hasty in your decision so that you don't regret it later. I've done that on a few cars and really regret it now! I like my 93, but I wish I had kept going on the 84Z.

On my 84Z, I had built a 355 that was set for a 6-71 blower. Even without the blower in one year I broke a rear, DS (took out the exhaust and part of the floor), broke a clutch, wiped a cam, and broke 3 trans. When the trans broke the 3rd time it wiped out the remaining money I had saved to get the car backhalfed! I got so mad sold the blower to a friend and I drove it up and traded it in on the 93 and said THIS CAR IS STAYING STOCK. And where am I now? Sheet metal is all that's left stock! When I first built the 383 LT1 I pulled my motor apart 3 times before I got it right! All due to stupid little problems. Then it took an entire summer to get it tuned so I didn't get to drive the car for over a year. All I got to do was look at a big pile on money collecting dust!

Anyway, think about your car this way: If you buy another car and keep it long enough, drive it hard enough or start modding it your are going to be in the same place you are now. No car/engine no matter how well built will last forever, things will wear out, and things will break, and you'll always be doing something to the car. That's just the facts of being a hotrodder! And the more you push the limits the more likely you are going to break something! No matter what GEN engine you build. I work at a drag strip and I see everything from stockers to high dollar 600+ CI engines break, trans break. Stuff happens,,,,

What you need to decide is if you want to continue on this project, or start another. But unless you walk away from this hobby it never ends. I think you have it in your blood, you’re not going to be content with stock times, and you’re going to want to push further!

That means you’re going to be stuck in the circle of fix one thing and something else goes wrong. Our cars are NEVER, looking just the way we want, are fast enough for what we want, have all the toys we always wanted. The time we spend driving our cars is the time we get to decide what we are going to change next!

You've run into some really $hitty luck, no denying that! and there ins't really anything that can change it now. All I can say is just think hard about what you want to do.

If you do decide to waljk away from the car, then I would say to part it out, you'll get more money selling parts then trying to sell a none running car.


My .02

John

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

dude just leve it together with all the upgrades and sell it the way it is your time isnt going to be worth takin the car all back apart! i know plenty of people thjat would be willing to buy a car liek yours already built up!

[NJSPEEDER]

it is a difference of many thousands of dollars. if it was a cold air and a cat back it would be one thing, but with the heads, cam, intake, suspension, and other stuff alex has done he would get 1/3 by selling it complete vs selling a stock car and all the parts.

[CJDZ24_Z28]

then what will all you say once the LS1 is 12 years old "sell it and buy the lsx" :lol: It'll never end

NO NO NO WRONG! LT1 was on a platform all byself. LS1,LS6,LS7,LS4 and the new LS3 are all based off of the LS1 and lots of parts have stayed the same also or slightly upgraded. Also most of the parts of compatible to upgrade older LS1's such as LS6 clutch and oil pumps, LS7 clutch,Lifters etc.. Also the LS1 is already 10 years old if you didn't know. CASE CLOSED....

[procamaroz28]

none of the above

[1984camaroz28]

then what will all you say once the LS1 is 12 years old "sell it and buy the lsx" :lol: It'll never end

just because u still drive a turd gen there no need to hate on the ls1.

[Teds89IROC]

just because u still drive a turd gen there no need to hate on the ls1.

haha you say "still drive" as if i'm stuck with it. Once I finish school my plans for it will take off and not only will it continue to look better than a 4th gen camaro, it'll perform better then an LS1 too.

[GP99GT]

he didnt really "hate on the LS1"...besides, the LS1 has its problems anyway...motors arent supposed to have piston slap, no matter how "normal" everyone says it is

[qwikz28]

he didnt really "hate on the LS1"...besides, the LS1 has its problems anyway...motors arent supposed to have piston slap, no matter how "normal" everyone says it is

who says its normal? i'm mad happy my car isn't too bad..... and don't forget the oil consumption

[NightRydaSS]

This is something that you really need to decide,,, but I give you my aged wisdom! :grampsch:

I know how you feel, been there many times. When you feel like your throwing good money after bad you just want to walk away. Just don't be too hasty in your decision so that you don't regret it later. I've done that on a few cars and really regret it now! I like my 93, but I wish I had kept going on the 84Z.

On my 84Z, I had built a 355 that was set for a 6-71 blower. Even without the blower in one year I broke a rear, DS (took out the exhaust and part of the floor), broke a clutch, wiped a cam, and broke 3 trans. When the trans broke the 3rd time it wiped out the remaining money I had saved to get the car backhalfed! I got so mad sold the blower to a friend and I drove it up and traded it in on the 93 and said THIS CAR IS STAYING STOCK. And where am I now? Sheet metal is all that's left stock! When I first built the 383 LT1 I pulled my motor apart 3 times before I got it right! All due to stupid little problems. Then it took an entire summer to get it tuned so I didn't get to drive the car for over a year. All I got to do was look at a big pile on money collecting dust!

Anyway, think about your car this way: If you buy another car and keep it long enough, drive it hard enough or start modding it your are going to be in the same place you are now. No car/engine no matter how well built will last forever, things will wear out, and things will break, and you'll always be doing something to the car. That's just the facts of being a hotrodder! And the more you push the limits the more likely you are going to break something! No matter what GEN engine you build. I work at a drag strip and I see everything from stockers to high dollar 600+ CI engines break, trans break. Stuff happens,,,,

What you need to decide is if you want to continue on this project, or start another. But unless you walk away from this hobby it never ends. I think you have it in your blood, you’re not going to be content with stock times, and you’re going to want to push further!

That means you’re going to be stuck in the circle of fix one thing and something else goes wrong. Our cars are NEVER, looking just the way we want, are fast enough for what we want, have all the toys we always wanted. The time we spend driving our cars is the time we get to decide what we are going to change next!

You've run into some really $hitty luck, no denying that! and there ins't really anything that can change it now. All I can say is just think hard about what you want to do.

If you do decide to waljk away from the car, then I would say to part it out, you'll get more money selling parts then trying to sell a none running car.


My .02

John


couldn't have said it better myself.

[Savage_Messiah]

just because u still drive a turd gen there no need to hate on the ls1.


sounds insecure to me :lol:

I generally hate 3rd gen's but Ted's car is god damn sexy


And Alex... why not sell it to Paul?... :D

[BigAls87Z28]

NO NO NO WRONG! LT1 was on a platform all byself. LS1,LS6,LS7,LS4 and the new LS3 are all based off of the LS1 and lots of parts have stayed the same also or slightly upgraded. Also most of the parts of compatible to upgrade older LS1's such as LS6 clutch and oil pumps, LS7 clutch,Lifters etc.. Also the LS1 is already 10 years old if you didn't know. CASE CLOSED....

The LT1 is loosely based on the Gen I small block, only the Gen II's had a reverse cooling system and more advanced fuel inection. Outside of that, an LT1 block looks no different then an L98 or any other SBC 350 made since the 50's.
The Gen III engines were an all new design. They share nothing with the Gen I/II engines outside of bore spacing.
The GenIV engines are an upgrade from the Gen III design, but the L92, LS3 and LS7 have a totaly different head design. Gone are the cathedral ports of the GenIII and early Gen IV V8's, back are the more traditional rectangular ports.
The L92/LS3 and LS7 heads flow tremendus amounts of air from the factory, and the LS7's heads are CNC milled and hand built...some say by people, some say by God.


Oh...and Third Gens > 4th gens. If it wasnt for the LT1/LS1 combo's, GM would have sh*tcanned the Fbody in 94.

[CJDZ24_Z28]

The LT1 is loosely based on the Gen I small block, only the Gen II's had a reverse cooling system and more advanced fuel inection. Outside of that, an LT1 block looks no different then an L98 or any other SBC 350 made since the 50's.
The Gen III engines were an all new design. They share nothing with the Gen I/II engines outside of bore spacing.
The GenIV engines are an upgrade from the Gen III design, but the L92, LS3 and LS7 have a totaly different head design. Gone are the cathedral ports of the GenIII and early Gen IV V8's, back are the more traditional rectangular ports.
The L92/LS3 and LS7 heads flow tremendus amounts of air from the factory, and the LS7's heads are CNC milled and hand built...some say by people, some say by God.


Oh...and Third Gens > 4th gens. If it wasnt for the LT1/LS1 combo's, GM would have sh*tcanned the Fbody in 94.


I know that LT1's are based on original Small block Chevy's. What I'm saying is after the short 4 1/2 year run that was it..totally new design. The LS1 is what the current Chevy V8 is based off of and it looks like it will be until the LS3 is discontinued. The Gen IV isn't really a upgrade, Besides the displacement it shares so much of the same architecture. In fact the cam in the LS2 is the same cam that is found in the 01 LS6 ZO6. Sure the L92,LS3 and LS7 head design is better but again the other 90% of the motor is based on the LS1.
Also GM sold over 140,000 Camaro/Birds in 94.The last year for 100,000+ F-Body sales. It wasn't until 1996 that the F-body was in talks of being canned

[CJDZ24_Z28]

he didnt really "hate on the LS1"...besides, the LS1 has its problems anyway...motors arent supposed to have piston slap, no matter how "normal" everyone says it is

Not every LS1 has piston slap:roll: Also some LS1's that have piston slap still are making over 400 to the wheels with high mileage

haha you say "still drive" as if i'm stuck with it. Once I finish school my plans for it will take off and not only will it continue to look better than a 4th gen camaro, it'll perform better then an LS1 too.

A stock LS1? LOL joking! Remember there people on different levels. There are tons of people running 10's in 3rd gens and ton of people running 10's in LS1's. You should set your goal's with HP numbers or track times not saying you will be faster than a certain car. Nice Iroc btw! glad to see there are still some good looking ones around!

[Teds89IROC]

A stock LS1? LOL joking! Remember there people on different levels. There are tons of people running 10's in 3rd gens and ton of people running 10's in LS1's. You should set your goal's with HP numbers or track times not saying you will be faster than a certain car. Nice Iroc btw! glad to see there are still some good looking ones around!


I was saying that based on the fact that there are people on different levels and to simply "buy an LS1" isn't the answer. I thought you actually believed LS1 is the ultimate engine and nothing else can be better or faster, which is the stuff I hate on. As for goals, mine are set to hp and 1/4 times, believe me. and thanks for the compliments 8-)

[BigAls87Z28]

I know that LT1's are based on original Small block Chevy's. What I'm saying is after the short 4 1/2 year run that was it..totally new design. The LS1 is what the current Chevy V8 is based off of and it looks like it will be until the LS3 is discontinued. The Gen IV isn't really a upgrade, Besides the displacement it shares so much of the same architecture. In fact the cam in the LS2 is the same cam that is found in the 01 LS6 ZO6. Sure the L92,LS3 and LS7 head design is better but again the other 90% of the motor is based on the LS1.

Correct, not a total redesign of the Gen III to Gen IV, but enough advancements in AFM, VVT, as well as other small technical moves to improve the engines performance. The new heads make the L92/LS3 and LS7 breaths more life into a great and well built engine.

Also GM sold over 140,000 Camaro/Birds in 94.The last year for 100,000+ F-Body sales. It wasn't until 1996 that the F-body was in talks of being canned

My point was this, that if 4th gens had the same V8 engines as a Third gen, they would have fallen on there face after 93, and 94 would have been there last year.
Fbody has come near the chopping block several times, almost as many times as its almost gone FWD.

[CJDZ24_Z28]

I thought you actually believed LS1 is the ultimate engine and nothing else can be better or faster

Well.............................. j/k lol LS7=:hail:

[ar0ck]

The verdicts in, spun bearing.

[Noodles]

definitely de-mod...

no question

[1984camaroz28]

haha you say "still drive" as if i'm stuck with it. Once I finish school my plans for it will take off and not only will it continue to look better than a 4th gen camaro, it'll perform better then an LS1 too.

put the crack pipe down

[1984camaroz28]

who says its normal? i'm mad happy my car isn't too bad..... and don't forget the oil consumption

the oil consumption is from ur pvc setup.... there are many ways to corret that

[1984camaroz28]

The verdicts in, spun bearing.

Dident u buy a used motor for it? Take some time and $ rebuild it,,,

[Teds89IROC]

put the crack pipe down

:lol: why, nothing can beat the all mighty LS1? :roll:

[1984camaroz28]

:lol: why, nothing can beat the all mighty LS1? :roll:

I never said its un beatable.... its a far beter motor then the lt1 any way u look at it....

[Teds89IROC]

I never said it wasn't, or was for that matter.

[GP99GT]

Not every LS1 has piston slap:roll: Also some LS1's that have piston slap still are making over 400 to the wheels with high mileage

ok so not every one of them does it...but a LOT do, more than they should. other chevy motors dont have that problem

[j0n]

The verdicts in, spun bearing.

buy a complete (stock) running motor and swap it in, then part out the h/c/spun bearing motor...i know someone that did that and ended up running 12.700 with basic bolt-ons! :shock:

[The Fixer]

buy a complete (stock) running motor and swap it in, then part out the h/c/spun bearing motor...i know someone that did that and ended up running 12.700 with basic bolt-ons! :shock:

Yeah, who WAS that guy??? :)

[procamaroz28]

buy a complete (stock) running motor and swap it in, then part out the h/c/spun bearing motor...i know someone that did that and ended up running 12.700 with basic bolt-ons! :shock:

sounds like a plan

[Savage_Messiah]

I never said its un beatable.... its a far beter motor then the lt1 any way u look at it....

Debatable. Highly debatable.