V6 progress

[bubba428]

The engine is out, and the one head is kinda off, the upper intake is off. Today I'm gonna strip and clean up the bottom end and hopefully reassemble a bit today.

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

The engine is out, and the heads and intake are off. Today I'm gonna stip and clean up the bottom end and hopefully reassemble a bit today.

Good luck with it :)

[GrandmasterCow]

yup good luck

[bubba428]

Thanks...I had to go to Un-Advance auto for a tool cause the accesory braket is T-50 torx and I couldn't belive what the one guy said...anyway i can't get in to the shop today so it looks like i'm f'd till monday

[GP99GT]

and the head is kinda off

it only has one head?:shock::lol:

or did i miss something, blow one head gasket/break something in one head?

[bubba428]

one head is still torqued on one is unbolted and falling off but the accesory braket is holding it on.

[GP99GT]

i hate those stupid little things that you forget/dont know about...i had a ground wire behind the head, completely invisible from the outside...picked up the head and ripped half of my main harness off the firewall with it

[Blacdout96]

i hate those stupid little things that you forget/dont know about...i had a ground wire behind the head, completely invisible from the outside...picked up the head and ripped half of my main harness off the firewall with it

aw man, been tehre too when I had my 79 maro, my ground wire had all this oil on it and was right up against the head so I didnt see it, and when I went to pull it off, it snapped off the bolt on the firewall.

[bubba428]

well due to a good eye and extra set of hands I took my time and didn't break anything...THANK GOD...now i just need to get a bolt out of me NEW heads cause the junk yard guys are morons....

[GP99GT]

i didnt really break anything either...but i was holding the head in my hands and didnt have anywhere to set it down cause the harness got pulled over onto the deck, so i had to call my dad over to get me something to cut the wire with...meanwhile im standing there bending over the fender holding a 50lb oily greasy chunk of metal :lol: it sucked

[bubba428]

i could imagine ... we yanked mine by the power steering and alternator brakets...no bolts...just let the tension hold it on...and Ron was under it with i pry bar "it loose yet" :rofl:

[bubba428]

well...I got to see a bit of 1 cylinder...and it ain't pretty...the damage to the block may be beond repair...I'll know for sure tommorow..the heads are still on i never got around to it today and there still hanging from the braket...

[unstable bob gable]

BRICKA! BRACKA! FIRECRACKA!
SIS! BOOM! BAH!
BUBBA! BUBBA!
RAH! RAH! RAH! :mrgreen:

[bubba428]

HAHA thanks UBG haha...i'm gonna try to get her torn apart today and hope it can be fixed with a glaze breaker

[GP99GT]

JB weld it

[bubba428]

HAHAHA ok I've been know to do some hick ***** like that, but nahh...thats too bad...i'm gonna just get another if i have to...o well

[Teds89IROC]

ah yes, the hidden ground wire :lol: When I did my heads on the iroc the drivers side accessory bracket was giving me trouble. I was able to unbolt it from the head but the bolt on the bottom holding it to the block is stripped, so when/if I ever need to take that off it's gonna be quite interesting :lol:

keep us updated on your project 8-)

[GP99GT]

HAHAHA ok I've been know to do some hick ***** like that, but nahh...thats too bad...i'm gonna just get another if i have to...o well

a guy on corral.net blew a hole in a piston in his boat...he took 2 index cards, one under the hole one above, filled it in with JB weld and let it set, sanded the excess off the top...and he still has it to this day, still running

[V]

a guy on corral.net blew a hole in a piston in his boat...he took 2 index cards, one under the hole one above, filled it in with JB weld and let it set, sanded the excess off the top...and he still has it to this day, still running

...mustang guys.... :roll:

[GP99GT]

lol well it was a ****** boat so he didnt really want to buy a new motor

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

a guy i knew attempted to drill out a broken bolt and drilled a hole right through the head of a 4.0 jeep engine into the cylinder and we filled to hole with Jb weld and turned the motor over slowly using the piston to cut off the excess jb weld let it sit over night and it still runs jsut fine!

[bubba428]

well.....I broke not only the yoke in my truck...but BOTH...yes thats right BOTH U-Joints...damn SBCs and all that delicious torque

[bubba428]

started cleaning up the new heads and the valves on it are just massive!!! its got the same valves as a 3.8...thats just sexy right there

[black34v6]

lol.. yanno..what is it with ppl telling bout their motor and not posting any pics? ;)

[bubba428]

haha I figured you'd join eventually.....Now just so you realize...your the only other one on this forum who knows ANYTHING about a 3.4...and watch out for j0n...he hates V6s....

[V]

no, we hate 3.4s

[bubba428]

...ya know....I can't even say any thing f'd up to that...

[black34v6]

haha I figured you'd join eventually.....Now just so you realize...your the only other one on this forum who knows ANYTHING about a 3.4...and watch out for j0n...he hates V6s....

meh. ive had my share -- not my fault that ppl are insecure ;) lol.

anyway. guess he never heard of tiagos single turbo'd 3.4 doing a 13.5 @ 107 on 10psi (and turning his centerforce clutch into glue). honestly it's cool if ppl wanna flame. let them get it outta their system ;) you just gotta realize that people are gonna hate and modifying your car is all about doing it for yourself, not other people.

<-- 305 power in a 3.4 v6 N/A with no tune. 184rwhp/212rwtq. james (12second) knows i suck at the driver mod on the 1/4 mile lol. he knows all bout my car.

[Mike]

meh. guess he never heard of tiagos single turbo'd 3.4 doing a 13.5 @ 107 on 10psi (and turning his centerforce clutch into glue). .

WOWOOWOWOW A 13.5 ON A TURBO CAR WOWOWOWOWOW

[bubba428]

i'm pushing it a little further I'got a bigger cam and bigger injectors...hope fully i'll be getting alitle more umphh

:jake:

[V]

WOWOOWOWOW A 13.5 ON A TURBO CAR WOWOWOWOWOW

haha

im the last one to usually flame anyone on the board, but i thought the same thing, i ran that bone stock and the first time ever running my car. my friend has a turbo import deep in the 12s with a 4cyl, all stock motor/turbo(JDM)

BUT more power to ya if you wanna make the 3.4 fast. Its cool to be different. I'll build a turbo V6 4th gen eventually, but it'll be a tad more serious, backhalved and all.

[black34v6]

haha

im the last one to usually flame anyone on the board, but i thought the same thing, i ran that bone stock and the first time ever running my car. my friend has a turbo import deep in the 12s with a 4cyl, all stock motor/turbo(JDM)

BUT more power to ya if you wanna make the 3.4 fast. Its cool to be different. I'll build a turbo V6 4th gen eventually, but it'll be a tad more serious, backhalved and all.

im not saying a 13.5 is amazing -- i have friends with v8s and a couple with LS1's and i know they can do faster (even have a friend with a vette). but currently -- he is the fastest 3.4 that i know of. theres a lot of potential and i aim to be wakin people up to that. already trying to push people into updating their motors. the stuff that the 3.4 comes with sucks massive ass. if you guys dont mind ill post up my article on the 3.4 that i wrote and you can have a read :)

btw -- not sure what you mean by "backhalved" - thats a new one for me, ill have to go look it up. in terms of building this thing for power, yea ive got a list of go fast parts that is as long as it is expensive. turbos are definitely in the works for me along with teh megasquirt that i gotta splice in and tune. hopefully i can get better than a 10:1 AF ratio... honesty the 3.4 is like...seriously neglected in terms of what it came with in 1993-1995 - the Grand Am motor has way more time and attention put into it (for starters the 3.4L RWD came with 16# injectors, the 2000 Grand AM GT comes with 22# injectors... cast iron 3.4L RWD heads flow like ... 118/130 (in/ex) while the aluminum heads from the GAGT flow 200/180 unported (huge difference)) -- its just about discovering what GM left out and correcting it :)

i still havent ported and polished the heads or intake yet, thats coming soon. also need to figure out how to get the LT1 TB i have laying around to mate up with my 3x00 intake manifold. Car really needs more airflow. and a tune..dont forget the tune

just for s&g:
my lat dyno run (http://images.wireware.net/wcfbsorg/c%5Fimg/ellanor/image05.hr.jpg)

p.s. i plan on buying a 2009 camaro v8 (i know ill get flamed by someone for that but again, meh.) and keep the v6 as well.

edit: ahh...i gotcha now. i wouldnt go to all the trouble of futzing with the back of the car -- run it like it was built. im building a car that will work on the street, and that works for me. doesnt have to be a 1/4 mile monster or a autocross superstar either -- just has to perform the way i want it to. i take it you guys are big on racing here? lol..

[deadtrend1]

[/Benchracing] ... :)

[black34v6]

:rofl:

If you think so...

Honestly you shouldn't flame me just cause you don't like what im posting. If I was bench racing I'd be quoting 1/4 mile times and reaction numbers and how i think that adding this part and that will make me run xx.xx in the 1/4 mile and how my car will beat yours cause it has this and that in it.

Just quoting how the 3.4 is lacking in terms of design. Don't hate just cause I'm making a point ;)

[bubba428]

he went with a tamer cam and smaller injectors on a, stock tune. I'm going bigger cam/injectors and I can drive. so I think my numbers should turn a few heads. Now, if tiago was running 13.5 turbo, it was WAY to big, and my N/A set up i'll be looking for 14.2-13-8...

[Mike]

stop posting and start building.

[black34v6]

lol. you like to have the last word in too? :-p

[bubba428]

Dude he already built it...and I'm pushing it further.....dude I AM building....

[Mike]

think it will hang with ls2's?

[bubba428]

think it will hang with ls2's?

are you serious....deff. not N/A but maybe, in the future I'll boost it and well...we'll see...

[Mike]

yes im sereious, i mean a stock ls2

[bubba428]

what do they run....I've stated what I expect... low - mid 14

[j0n]

OMGWTF fast v6s!!! wait...i see a 13.5...nevermind

[Mike]

what do they run....I've stated what I expect... low - mid 14

my stock 4800lb trailblazer runs 13.9-14.1 depending on how bad i hotlap it

[black34v6]

no v6 n/a can hang with a LS1/LS2. the FASTEST n/a 3.8 that i know if is in the 13's and he stripped his car down.

every v6 has to at least turbo / supercharge to run with anything v8. thats not to say you cant get a v6 into low numbers. look at the 3800 - people doubted that and it ended up running 9's. i think the 3.4 is capable of 11's, maybe even 10's. would need a lot going into it and a lot of boost to go with it (like 18-20 like the GN guys run).

is it doable yes? am i doing it? yes - currently gathering parts. Will it happen soon - probably not as I am going to have to collect stuff. I cant just toss a cam in there and get 50 extra hp. If you think that makes the 3.4 worthless then thats your opinion.

Honestly - personally - and i dont care who i piss off with this, but I think that owning a v8 is the "Easy way out". you have a ton of parts that are easy to come by and throw in. I like the challenge my 3.4 provides me in terms of making me figure out new ways to squeeze more power out of it. You say my car is not worth the time of day, I say I've found myself a challenge. We each have our own view of things and I'm not trying to change yours.

So why do you want to change mine - and why disrespect? Honestly car owners are car owners. And btw - at least we aren't modding imports. We bought GM cars cause we wanna support an AMERICAN company cause we believe in America. So why hate? Why not just embrace us as fellow car enthusiasts and let us be...

Thats all I gotta say on this anymore. I'm stayin out of this thread from now on. Still be on the board lookin around, I just don't have anymore to say on this.

[trashman01]

i wanna get a 4th gen v6 and tinker with it, it prob be a 3.8L tho

[j0n]

they sound like crap and cost twice as much to go half as fast...the end

[Blacdout96]

no v6 n/a can hang with a LS1/LS2. the FASTEST n/a 3.8 that i know if is in the 13's and he stripped his car down.

every v6 has to at least turbo / supercharge to run with anything v8. thats not to say you cant get a v6 into low numbers. look at the 3800 - people doubted that and it ended up running 9's. i think the 3.4 is capable of 11's, maybe even 10's. would need a lot going into it and a lot of boost to go with it (like 18-20 like the GN guys run).

is it doable yes? am i doing it? yes - currently gathering parts. Will it happen soon - probably not as I am going to have to collect stuff. I cant just toss a cam in there and get 50 extra hp. If you think that makes the 3.4 worthless then thats your opinion.

Honestly - personally - and i dont care who i piss off with this, but I think that owning a v8 is the "Easy way out". you have a ton of parts that are easy to come by and throw in. I like the challenge my 3.4 provides me in terms of making me figure out new ways to squeeze more power out of it. You say my car is not worth the time of day, I say I've found myself a challenge. We each have our own view of things and I'm not trying to change yours.

So why do you want to change mine - and why disrespect? Honestly car owners are car owners. And btw - at least we aren't modding imports. We bought GM cars cause we wanna support an AMERICAN company cause we believe in America. So why hate? Why not just embrace us as fellow car enthusiasts and let us be...

Thats all I gotta say on this anymore. I'm stayin out of this thread from now on. Still be on the board lookin around, I just don't have anymore to say on this.

so we got a cali bro now. I think thats the farthest member we got here. i own a V6 3.8, and love every part of it. we had guys running 12's, ifact one of our members has the fastest n/a 3.8, and he didnt even getto touch the bottom end. the only problem with 3.4's is that they dont produce enough aftermarket, and if there are parts, jsut liek the 3.8's, you have to sell off your first born for parts. And alot of people smack talk about how their V8's run this time and that time for the same amount of money put into their engine and such that we put, but hey that's your thing, you were able to afford a V8, not everyone can, so we have to make do with what we got. I on the other hand have not touched my motor at all, just supension, and thats all i needed. But I bought my camaro for 2500, how many peopel can say they bought an LS1 camaro or firebird for that much, or bought a LT1 that wasent beaten to ****, or needed alot of replacement parts for that much. Hugh bought his 3.4 for 800 bucks on a minimum wage budget, so if anyhting, you guys should applaude him for buying an F-body. He could of bought any kind of car out there, but he had his mind set on a camaro, adn i give kudo's to him, and so now, he has an intrest on building up on whathe's got. He doesnt havea high paying job, nor did his mommy or daddy help him get it, and the same for me, so if you guys were ever in our shoes, and seen y we bought V6's, youd stop busting on us. Cause in the end we all have one thing in common, We love our american car, and we love our f-body, weither it be a 3rd gen 4 cylinder, or an LS1 SOM WS6 ( had to drop in kelseys car, cause it's sex on black ZO6 rims lol) we are all fellow F-body lovers.

[Tru2Chevy]

no v6 n/a can hang with a LS1/LS2. the FASTEST n/a 3.8 that i know if is in the 13's and he stripped his car down.

Actually, the fastest NA v6 (not including purpose built race cars) is in the mid 12's. Lance from TX ran a 12.4 in a 3300ish lb heads/cam 3.8.

Quickest stock motor (no heads, no cam, valve covers never been off) is Craig (Little G) running a best of 13.585 @ approx 3130 lbs.

- Justin

[Savage_Messiah]

.. and if you're referring to Shawn's cam only record that stood before Lance took that beast to the clash, than that was a 13.53 (then sprayed a 100 shot to a 12.26), but now yes he is completely gutting the car.


black34... now how's about this one... 90 degree > 60 degree. ;)

[Savage_Messiah]

haha I figured you'd join eventually.....Now just so you realize...your the only other one on this forum who knows ANYTHING about a 3.4...and watch out for j0n...he hates V6s....

I hate v6s too. They all suck.


:rofl:

[black34v6]

.. and if you're referring to Shawn's cam only record that stood before Lance took that beast to the clash, than that was a 13.53 (then sprayed a 100 shot to a 12.26), but now yes he is completely gutting the car.


black34... now how's about this one... 90 degree > 60 degree. ;)

i was referring to a guy by the name of Keith I think his name was... but that was a while ago -- i dont keep up on the 3.8's cause i really dont care. but it was just an example. sorry if i didnt say it was the fastest I knew.

anyway - ha ha. if the 90 > 60 then why is GM dropping the 90* in favor of a whole new lineup of 60 motors to put in all their cars, called the "high value lineup"? ;)

anyway - everyone can think what they want. my 3.4 will pwn all. lol

[bubba428]

so we got a cali bro now. I think thats the farthest member we got here. i own a V6 3.8, and love every part of it. we had guys running 12's, ifact one of our members has the fastest n/a 3.8, and he didnt even getto touch the bottom end. the only problem with 3.4's is that they dont produce enough aftermarket, and if there are parts, jsut liek the 3.8's, you have to sell off your first born for parts. And alot of people smack talk about how their V8's run this time and that time for the same amount of money put into their engine and such that we put, but hey that's your thing, you were able to afford a V8, not everyone can, so we have to make do with what we got. I on the other hand have not touched my motor at all, just supension, and thats all i needed. But I bought my camaro for 2500, how many peopel can say they bought an LS1 camaro or firebird for that much, or bought a LT1 that wasent beaten to ****, or needed alot of replacement parts for that much. Hugh bought his 3.4 for 800 bucks on a minimum wage budget, so if anyhting, you guys should applaude him for buying an F-body. He could of bought any kind of car out there, but he had his mind set on a camaro, adn i give kudo's to him, and so now, he has an intrest on building up on whathe's got. He doesnt havea high paying job, nor did his mommy or daddy help him get it, and the same for me, so if you guys were ever in our shoes, and seen y we bought V6's, youd stop busting on us. Cause in the end we all have one thing in common, We love our american car, and we love our f-body, weither it be a 3rd gen 4 cylinder, or an LS1 SOM WS6 ( had to drop in kelseys car, cause it's sex on black ZO6 rims lol) we are all fellow F-body lovers.

Hugh=bubba's real name....anyway yea I'm doing this on the leftovers of a minimum wage job, being unemployed really sucks. yes I baught the car for 800, I could have baught a couple ricers for half that. The original idea for the car was to swap in a built LS2 and M6 but that was outta reach. Not to long later Blacdout96 showed me camarov6.com and Black34v6's project. Now speaking purely as to vs STOCK numbers, my car will have higher power out put than any stock thirdgen and very close to LT1s.

Now on a second note. I put this post up to record the progress of the build and for anyone who is interested to ask questions. NOT to hear BS from certain V8 guys who have the constant need to reasure them selves of there manhood.

PS: exuse the grammar/spelling...its 5:37am

[Savage_Messiah]

i was referring to a guy by the name of Keith I think his name was... but that was a while ago -- i dont keep up on the 3.8's cause i really dont care. but it was just an example. sorry if i didnt say it was the fastest I knew.

anyway - ha ha. if the 90 > 60 then why is GM dropping the 90* in favor of a whole new lineup of 60 motors to put in all their cars, called the "high value lineup"? ;)

anyway - everyone can think what they want. my 3.4 will pwn all. lol

Keith? Seppo? Damn, that was a LONG time ago that he was the fastest (o around there)

[Tru2Chevy]

Now speaking purely as to vs STOCK numbers, my car will have higher power out put than any stock thirdgen and very close to LT1s.

I'm not knocking your build, because I'm all for doing the best you can with what you have - but are you planning on beating these numbers (HP: 245@4400 TQ: 345@3200) with only a cam difference between you and black34v6?

- Justin

[Tru2Chevy]

Keith? Seppo? Damn, that was a LONG time ago that he was the fastest (o around there)

Yea, I think Craig took down Seppo's time about 2 years ago. Too lazy to search for the exact time.....

- Justin

[Savage_Messiah]

Didn't Ben (RallyRed98 ) come between there somewhere?

[Tru2Chevy]

Didn't Ben (RallyRed98 ) come between there somewhere?

I think he ended up beating Keith's time too, but I'm pretty sure that Craig broke Keith's record to become the fastest SI 3.8 (that we know of).

- Justin

[bubba428]

I'm not knocking your build, because I'm all for doing the best you can with what you have - but are you planning on beating these numbers (HP: 245@4400 TQ: 345@3200) with only a cam difference between you and black34v6?

- Justin

theres a few other differences...like the fact that hes on a stock tune...and the engine ain't running very well.

[Tru2Chevy]

theres a few other differences...like the fact that hes on a stock tune...and the engine ain't running very well.

Well, good luck to ya. I just really don't see you putting down that much power (torque especially) with an N/A 3.4. I hope you prove me wrong though

- Justin

[bubba428]

Well, good luck to ya. I just really don't see you putting down that much power (torque especially) with an N/A 3.4. I hope you prove me wrong though

- Justin

well the cam I got is rated for a f'n TON of low end...its primary uses are 4WD off road and towing. lotta torque but the top end is 5500 to its got some decent top too

[j0n]

Well, good luck to ya. I just really don't see you putting down that much power (torque especially) with an N/A 3.4. I hope you prove me wrong though

- Justin

don't worry it'll never happen

[bubba428]

What F-body do drive again....I mean currently as in if you just go out side and get in something

[Mike]

What F-body do drive again....I mean currently as in if you just go out side and get in something

wait, so by that comment you can go get in yours and drive it?

[bubba428]

down hill......thats not the point....i didn't start this tread to have to f'n arrgue with you jackazzes about what i'm doing

[Mike]

you asked him what he can get in, your cars further from running than his

[bubba428]

.....not really....but your still pushing a mute point......you want to knock my project start your own god damn thread

[V]

and we all can't forget the single turbo(off only one bank)3.1 3rd gen that ran 12s... never saw the slip but if it was said on the internet it must be true.

[Savage_Messiah]

well the cam I got is rated for a f'n TON of low end...its primary uses are 4WD off road and towing. lotta torque but the top end is 5500 to its got some decent top too

what's a ton of low end in 3.4 land?

[bubba428]

well I can put a number to it until its done but i'm hopping it'll see 260-290rwtrq which is about 300-340ft/lb at the flywheel...doubt it but its a goal

[trashman01]

bubba i kno what u feel man, happened to me up here all the time, ppl would flame me cuz i had a 305 tbi turd-gen. i had some kid saying he would put for lenghts on me in his 93 z28. well when we did finally race he had me by one car length. i was figuring either he cant drive or his car is ****ed up so we swapped cars and sure as ****, his car beat my car by one length. but that aint the point, let them flame, when it comes time, either u will have it or u wont. right now, im fixing on destroying a 05 chevy 1500 with the 5.3L and a blowmaster 50 series

[black34v6]

I'm not knocking your build, because I'm all for doing the best you can with what you have - but are you planning on beating these numbers (HP: 245@4400 TQ: 345@3200) with only a cam difference between you and black34v6?

- Justin

er...where'd you get those #'s?

and yes, bubba's right - my ECM (stock GM tune) hates the jump in compression (9:1 -> 9.5:1) and the fact that i have a larger than stock cam.

fyi - there are two reported 400 hp 2.8L N/A motors currently existing in the world, they are both in boats however. but the point is that it can be done N/A -- just how you build it. definitely would like to know how they built those motors lol. :-p

edit: before the cam, but after the topend swap i did (before the 184rwhp/212rwtq...should have dyno'd then too)... i have to date held off a stock 1996 Z28 Convertible. I was showing off for him cause he was interested in what my car could do - cause it sounds amazing "for a v6" as he put it... i did a clutch drop at a stoplight - 5k and floored it (i have a T5..so its respectable, 3.4L cars + autos = t3h suck, imo) and i did a nice little burnout and launches and took off and powershifted (hammered) from 1-4th gear. i pulled around the corner and into a parking lot and when he finally caught up and stopped he was like "omfg - what did you do to that thing???" i replied with "what do you mean?" to which he said "I was flooring my car and I couldnt catch up to you... once you took off i did the same and i started gaining on you but i got like a few car lengths and then suddenly i couldnt close the gap anymore...what have you done to this beast??"

true story - stock 1996 Z28 Convertible - Auto. with between 170rwhp and 184rwhp and between 207 and 212rwtq.

anyhow -- i've digressed. wheres the pics bubba?

[bubba428]

Megasqurit FTW.....If that SOB ever sends it

[Tru2Chevy]

er...where'd you get those #'s?

Bubba said he'd be putting out more power than any stock third gen. Those numbers are what an L98 (TPI 350) third gen was rated at.

- Justin

[Savage_Messiah]

i was referring to a guy by the name of Keith I think his name was... but that was a while ago -- i dont keep up on the 3.8's cause i really dont care. but it was just an example. sorry if i didnt say it was the fastest I knew.

anyway - ha ha. if the 90 > 60 then why is GM dropping the 90* in favor of a whole new lineup of 60 motors to put in all their cars, called the "high value lineup"? ;)

anyway - everyone can think what they want. my 3.4 will pwn all. lol


Oh yeah, you guys have so many cars in the 9s that I lost count... how many are there again? ;)

[V]

fyi - there are two reported 400 hp 2.8L N/A motors currently existing in the world, they are both in boats however. but the point is that it can be done N/A -- just how you build it. definitely would like to know how they built those motors lol.


Reported? give me a break, honestly.

anyways, 'nuff of that.

bubba, i wish you luck with you're project and while cleaning up, i came across some 3.4 stuff. i have a throttle body with all sensors still and a almost brand new alt. I also have 3 pcms, but they probably wouldnt help u anyways. I figure the TB you could try porting or such. let me know, im askign 15 shipped for the TB and 40 shipped for the Alt, or $50 shipped for the pair.

[Tru2Chevy]

There are TONS of high power 2.8L based motors around, but none of them are street friendly. Several racing series use that motor as a basis, which is why you can buy an aluminum 2.8L block straight from GM.

This was discussed at length more than once on Cv6 and FTv6.

- Justin

[Savage_Messiah]

i know but it hasnt been discussed here... so then, I should make a serpeate thred for Zaino vs. Maguire's?? :-D

[bubba428]

ok tommorow i'll be back in business with the build....should have it completly riped apart

[JSPERFORMANCE]

Jules Schonberger 89 cutlass super comp car with a 262cu/in V6 runs in the low 8's n/a... But he also has money and real life knowledge..

[bubba428]

I love how you keep spewing about knowledge....you don't know me...you don't know how much I know...

[V]

I love how you keep spewing about knowledge....you don't know me...you don't know how much I know...

that was JS's first post here, he did not say u dont have any knowledge. He was stating that there is a 8 sec N/A V6. AND an unlimited budget helps a bit. but, i will say you do not have the engine building knowledge or racing experince that a lifelong racer/builder does, that is obvious reagrdless if its you, or 99.9999% of the people on this board or even the whole internet. hell, a guy with a super comp car knows TONS more than even i do, thats a given. so calm down, relax, and finish your build. And if your goal is to prove the doubters wrong, when you do, you'll have the last laugh and theyll eat their words, but also keep in mind, if you fail, they will all be there to say "we told you so." As long as you beat kasey, i'll die laughing at him. :-)

[bubba428]

that was JS's first post here, he did not say u dont have any knowledge. He was stating that there is a 8 sec N/A V6. AND an unlimited budget helps a bit. but, i will say you do not have the engine building knowledge or racing experince that a lifelong racer/builder does, that is obvious reagrdless if its you, or 99.9999% of the people on this board or even the whole internet. hell, a guy with a super comp car knows TONS more than even i do, thats a given. so calm down, relax, and finish your build. And if your goal is to prove the doubters wrong, when you do, you'll have the last laugh and theyll eat their words, but also keep in mind, if you fail, they will all be there to say "we told you so." As long as you beat kasey, i'll die laughing at him. :-)

No this has been on going in other threads....and with that t-5s 3.75 first gear i should be able to eat that 3.8 auto like a 16oz Texas Road House steak :twisted:

[GP99GT]

this thread sucks

my old GP would own all of you

[bubba428]

probably own that pooooostang too

[GP99GT]

we'll see....when it runs

[bubba428]

all the work you doing i'd hope the hell so

[GP99GT]

i didnt really do a lot of work...still gonna be stock cam, ported stock heads, factory ford intake...stock suspension street tires

[bubba428]

i thought you were upgrading the valvetrain

[Blacdout96]

what he means by stock heads is their ported, but their not like aluminum edelbrocks, their still off an explorer.

[bubba428]

yea....the i guess the 3400 swap is "stock" too...there not aftermarket parts lol...the came on 3.4s...lol

[GP99GT]

what he means by stock heads is their ported, but their not like aluminum edelbrocks, their still off an explorer.

heads are 87-93 mustang heads...just ported.

and yeah i put 1.7 rockers on it...woopdedoo

[Blacdout96]

oh you didnt pop on the gt40 heads fro mteh explorer?

[GP99GT]

no...ported E7 heads...ports are the same so its not really a matter of matching it

[Mike]

i dont hate on any of the v6 projects, but when you admit your shooting for low 14s, it just dosent make sence........

seems like a lot of work to still be slower than the truck that tows my car to the track.

[j0n]

i dont hate on any of the v6 projects, but when you admit your shooting for low 14s, it just dosent make sence........

seems like a lot of work to still be slower than the truck that tows my car to the track.

not to mention these days you can regularly find automatic LT1 z28s(which run 13.8-14.2 stock) for 2500 bucks

[Blacdout96]

no...ported E7 heads...ports are the same so its not really a matter of matching it

AH gotcha, good info on the man.
not to mention these days you can regularly find automatic LT1 z28s(which run 13.8-14.2 stock) for 2500 bucks

jon, so true, but i kinda like to fiddle with this thing, plus its awsom on gas!

[Mike]

ls1 with a good tune and a six speed is just as good on gas and will run 12s

[Teds89IROC]

they sound like crap and cost twice as much to go half as fast...the end


This sums it all up right here

/thread

[j0n]

AH gotcha, good info on the man.


jon, so true, but i kinda like to fiddle with this thing, plus its awsom on gas!

define awesome on gas? I got 28mpg out of my t/a when it had stock gears

[Savage_Messiah]

No this has been on going in other threads....and with that t-5s 3.75 first gear i should be able to eat that 3.8 auto like a 16oz Texas Road House steak :twisted:

Ohhhh really? So what are you gonna wager besides your pride???

[GP99GT]

i bet 1 chocolate pudding pie on kasey

[bubba428]

i dont hate on any of the v6 projects, but when you admit your shooting for low 14s, it just dosent make sence........

seems like a lot of work to still be slower than the truck that tows my car to the track.

I'm hopping for low-mid 14s on stock tune....

[Mike]

yeah you said that already, and my statement still stands

[j0n]

i bet 1 chocolate pudding pie on kasey

uh...i've got 500 bucks on kasey, along with a chocolate pudding pie

[BonzoHansen]

uh...i've got 500 bucks on kasey, along with a chocolate pudding pie

:stupid:

[JSPERFORMANCE]

Let me know when this race is gonna happen. I have the official quarter mile timing kit for v6's a sundial and a calander....

[GP99GT]

if you only run mid 14's im gonna laugh, my FWD GP went 15.0 with intake/exhaust/tune and a 2.2 60'

[BonzoHansen]

Let me know when this race is gonna happen. I have the official quarter mile timing kit for v6's a sundial and a calander....

I always found an hour glass to be more consistent.

[jola]

I'm kinda suprised this thread is still going.

[bubba428]

if you only run mid 14's im gonna laugh, my FWD GP went 15.0 with intake/exhaust/tune and a 2.2 60'

a 2.2???? I pulled a 2.0 with juat exaust and cai, a bad clutch and fuel like clog

[Tru2Chevy]

a 2.2???? I pulled a 2.0 with juat exaust and cai, a bad clutch and fuel like clog

Well, you have RWD - FWD cars don't launch worth crap. What he's saying is despite the minimal mods and poor launch due to the FWD setup, he still ran a 15.0

- Justin

[GP99GT]

my best with that car was a 2.108 i think...stupid fwd

[j0n]

I find it ironic that the word "progress" is in the title of this thread, yet there seems to be very little of it contained within said thread.

[ar0ck]

This thread is funny.

[j0n]

btw bubba if you ever get that car started again ill run ya in my neon 8-)

[black34v6]

if you only run mid 14's im gonna laugh, my FWD GP went 15.0 with intake/exhaust/tune and a 2.2 60'

isnt there a supercharger involved with said FWD GP GT ? (the GT usually denotes a supercharged car).

if you are knocking bubba cause hes gonna do mid-low 14's with a N/A car and you are saying your supercharged vehicle could only do 15s ...

well....

[V]

wow, learn your cars. 'nuff said.

GT never refers to supercharged. GTP is the blown grand prix.

[Mike]

i noticed that wayyy back in his second post when he was talking about ls1's and how someone even owns a omfg corevette

[bubba428]

I find it ironic that the word "progress" is in the title of this thread, yet there seems to be very little of it contained within said thread.

not my fault...1: my truck broke and the camaro engine is in the back of the truck...2: theres too much BS about whos faster than who. I'm not posting to call people out, I just want to see decent numbers out of it for my own satifaction...not to be a dick to anyone. Yet some how this got turned into a call out...WTF?

[black34v6]

wow, learn your cars. 'nuff said.
GT never refers to supercharged. GTP is the blown grand prix.

wow...learn to read:

isnt there a supercharger involved with said FWD GP GT ? (the GT usually denotes a supercharged car).

note the "?" -- in the English language we use this to mark the end of a question for which we are seeking information.

if you are knocking Bubba cause hes gonna do mid-low 14's with a N/A car and you are saying your supercharged vehicle could only do 15s ...

this is a modifier to the above question in that it implies that if you are comparing apples to oranges then you shouldn't be trying to do so. However this little bit hangs on the answer to the previous question.

well....

dangling participle. everyone uses these.

/English lesson.

note: I have been informed that there was a 3.8 n/a Grand Prix in 1999, didn't know that as I've never owned a Grand Prix. My aunt owns one on the other hand, it is a GT -- its a 2006 model and it has the 3.8 with a supercharger. since that is the only mention i know of a Grand Prix GT - i linked his car with my aunts car.

[ sarcasm ]forgive me o great and all knowing car person for my greivous error[ /sarcasm ]

again -- comparing apples to oranges. a bigger displacement engine. Thats like if i put a 396 in my camaro and then said that your 350 doesnt go as fast as mine with parts on it.

<twirls finger> i think all of you guys are gonna be pretty surprised at the difference in his car once Bubba is done. However it wont matter. because you are all bigoted towards v6 engines, or rather the 3.4 in general, you will give Bubba and anyone else with a 3.4 **** because you think its justified. <shrugs> typical v8 behavior.

[black34v6]

i noticed that wayyy back in his second post when he was talking about ls1's and how someone even owns a omfg corevette

er...what are you smoking, and how much are you charging for it? ;)

[Mike]

im smoking the same stuff you were when you forgot what coast you were on and signed up here.......

[bubba428]

im smoking the same stuff you were when you forgot what coast you were on and signed up here.......

don't blame me for what he says....but the above is partialy me fault

[Mike]

partially?

[bubba428]

he knows james(12secv6) too...But like I said...I'm not trying to be foolishly calling out people. But I'll race Kasey or any who wants to race, not because I think I'll win, I just like racing

[V]

blah blah blah blah

<twirls finger> i think all of you guys are gonna be pretty surprised at the difference in his car once Bubba is done. However it wont matter. because you are all bigoted towards v6 engines, or rather the 3.4 in general, you will give Bubba and anyone else with a 3.4 **** because you think its justified. <shrugs> typical v8 behavior.


honestly, you are not making any friends here. and IMO you opening your mouth is just making it harder for bubba. When he began the project, he was catching some slack, yes, but now that you, being all high and mighty, feel the need to group us all as having "typical v8 behavior", more people will be ragging on him. you are like lethalrides all over again. or you can plan to build a "1000hp t56 street car"... talk all you want. Try as you might, you will not earn any respect here. You can flaunt your fancy 3.4 till your little hearts content, but it dont mean crap to me, nor 99.9% of the people here. You actually make me laugh, like i could stop reading this thread and ignore it, but i need my daily amusement. plus cbrmikes comments are always entertaining. i'm just gonna keep at it until this thread gets locked, which will be soon. typical cali v6'er. lol

[GP99GT]

ive had 3 cars with V6's...my first was a 91 blazer with a 90* 4.3, had some balls.

2nd was my GPGT, N/A 3.8, 90*...also was pretty ballsy for a v6.

3rd is the current 3.1 60* lumina i have now...and...im not impressed.

summary: 90 degree v6 FTW, 60 degree FTL

[98tadriver]

well, it is a Lumina... theyre only good for being a beater car and making it to south meets :)

[GP99GT]

i havent driven it to a south meet, so we'll see about that one

[98tadriver]

i havent driven it to a south meet, so we'll see about that one

somebody else on the board has my friend

[GP99GT]

somebody else on the board has my friend

not from north jersey though...thats a hike

[bubba428]

the short apears at every one....

[V]

lmao.. ok honestly russell, how do you get banned from LS1tech????

and i loved this post....
the numbers in teh sig are wrong, i havent updated the sig in a bit -- i have 185 rwhp / 212 rwtq. i havent taken the car to the track lately.

the 16.069 @ 84 mph, yes, was after most of the mods. i suxx0r @ 1/4 mile driving. before i did some of my upgrades, i had a 16.3 @ 83 mph, and a 16.5 @ 84 mph (notice what im saying about how i cant drive at the track?)

anyhow. i expect if i can tune/get a good run - to be in the mid / low 14s for now, and better pretty soon.

again. im not out to be as fast as i possibly can. im just workin with what i got.
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5245483#post5245483

[Mike]

lol...

i had my 3.4 i ran my 17.0s....i sold it and bought the ta for the SAME price, now i get better gas mileage, and run low 12s on a stock motor....

so everytime someone tells me they want to keep the v6 because the car was cheaper or its better on gas... i know for a fact...its wrong.

and the other argument where you say "i like being different"......theres a reason its different, NO ONE WANTS TO DO IT. and remember, transvestites are different too

[Mike]

plus cbrmikes comments are always entertaining.

:usa: thank you sir

[GP99GT]

so anyway...90 > 60

drop a 3.8 in that thing if you wanna play with a v6

[GP99GT]

:threadsu:

[ar0ck]

Used Car Blue Book Private Party:
Base Coupe / Z28 Coupe
$4,165.00 / $4,895.00
V6 3.4 Liter / V8 5.7 Liter
Automatic / 6 Speed Manual
19 mpg City / 17 mpg City
28 mpg Hwy / 26 mpg Hwy

The difference isn't that big.

[Mike]

welcome alex

[Knipps]

Used Car Blue Book Private Party:
Base Coupe / Z28 Coupe
$4,165.00 / $4,895.00
V6 3.4 Liter / V8 5.7 Liter
Automatic / 6 Speed Manual
19 mpg City / 17 mpg City
28 mpg Hwy / 26 mpg Hwy

The difference isn't that big.

i got 4,012 from the insurance co for mine :-P

[ar0ck]

welcome alex

I couldn't watch anymore of this v8 slander so I had to add.

But for the record I will not use my own car to compare. My cost to performance ratio went down the drain along time ago.

[bubba428]

I couldn't watch anymore of this v8 slander so I had to add.

But for the record I will not use my own car to compare. My cost to performance ratio went down the drain along time ago.

DON'T LOOK AT ME!!!!!....I'm just just trying to save my thread from getting locked....I'm not calling out anyone....

[Blacdout96]

Whoa guys wtf is going on here, listen, if you dont have anyting nice to say, then dont say it ok, this thread was to be about his progress about his car, not trash talkign a hobby he has. if you dont like V6's well then thats your thing, but some do, so stop. Bubba, stop sayign numbers and such, nothings true till its shownb on the slip. to be honest, I doubt youll run a 14 wiht that rear, and setup. so if your going to post on this thread, just talk about what youve done to your engine/car, not what its going to do after it gets done, if it does.black, Im sorry about the rowdiness goign on on this thread, were actually a bunch of cool guys, its jsut that when you start smack talking with a car thats barely been workedo n, and bubba , sorry it is true, your smack talking, your bragging, stop it, cause thats whats makign the V8 guys attack us, were not that bad.

[bubba428]

well you do know the 94-95 F-body T-5 has a 3.75 1st gear, so even with a 3.42 i'm got a lot of ummph off the line...I have tried to be clear that the numbers I came up with were just rough estimates. Not trying to be bench racing just giving a general idea

[Mike]

blacdout, kasey, craig, james, and im sure im forgeting some are NOT bad at all.

ive said at least 5 times in this thread i dont hate v6s or peoples projects, i hate people that claim numbers that cant be proven, i hate people that say that they can be as fast for cheaper *when they mean " as fast as a stock one"*

and i hate cocky pos people

[Mike]

you fantabulous 1st gear wont do anything once you shift out of it

just stop talking, make a new progress thread in a tech section, only update it when you actually make some and no one will say anything

[bubba428]

I wasn't trying to start all this....It was going fine for a while...I'm not trying to be cocky or W/E you want to call it...i'm not running any major power adders so I'm not expecting much for the first runs...but when the computer is in well see what happens...for now I don't know

[Tru2Chevy]

well you do know the 94-95 F-body T-5 has a 3.75 1st gear, so even with a 3.42 i'm got a lot of ummph off the line...

Not just those.....93-02 F-body M5s have the same gearing....

- Justin

[bubba428]

accually the the 94-95 IS different. The tag number is 1352-245 the 96+ is 1352-247. different gears...and heres my source http://www.5speeds.com/t5/

[GP99GT]

my T5Z has a 2.95 first gear...i can go faster in first zomg

i prefer the 2.95 over the 3.30 or whatever it was my stock trans had...first is more useful

[Tru2Chevy]

accually the the 94-95 IS different. The tag number is 1352-245 the 96+ is 1352-247. different gears...and heres my source http://www.5speeds.com/t5/

Well the tag number may be different, but they still have the same fantabulous first gear.....

- Justin

[bubba428]

cause you have more torque to turn it, I need to work on that. as far as the 1st gear goes all i'm trying to say is i can run a lower rear and still have something of the line...

[Mike]

stop saying, start doing, then get it onto a line and prove somthing

[bubba428]

it takes time man...i sould have it together this sunday(knock on wood) and i'll take it to atco soon... o and just so i'm not mis quoted later on i'm not expecting outta the 15s untill i get the tune

[Mike]

why run it before the tune

[GP99GT]

tuning will get you like 2 tenths, you know that right

[Mike]

hes gonna change heads, cam and fuel and not tune it

lethalrides IS back

[GP99GT]

twin turbo single bank 500hp 9 sec 3.1? w00t

[bubba428]

STFU!!!!!!!! You have no F'n idea what going on....I have an OBD1 POS f'n computer= no tuning...so I ordered another computer on 4/30/07 and it hasn't even shiped...the company refuses to answer emails, so I was basicly F'd outta $335. I can't afford my truck anymore getting 9mpg so I have no choice...I wasn't planing on running it. but if i get a clutch in time I might just to have an idea....

[Mike]

lol i understand putting it on the road, but i wouldnt beat on it untuned......

and im being dead serious so calm the hell down

[j0n]

where the hell does a pcm cost $335???

[bubba428]

yea I'd like to NOT blow it up. but don't ever compair me to that jackass. sorry if I'm a little tense. i'm dead F'n broke and I got ripped for $335...I guess its time to give the BBB a call

[bubba428]

where the hell does a pcm cost $335???

its not a pcm....its a laptop controled ecu allows me to set spark timing in my DIS and control my fuel tables. It can also save settings and change them instantly.

[Mike]

that will only work if its a registered business and not some guy from the forums

[bubba428]

it is a registered buiness....otherwise i'd give VISA fraud a call...



Post 1,000 Wooooo

[j0n]

i really hope you're not wasting all your time/money on megasquirt for a freakin 3.4 lol

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

wow dude that sucks hope yopu get your 335 bucks

[bubba428]

i really hope you're not wasting all your time/money on megasquirt for a freakin 3.4 lol

what else would I tune it with??? 8-)

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

its not a pcm....its a laptop controled ecu allows me to set spark timing in my DIS and control my fuel tables. It can also save settings and change them instantly.

what is it?

[bubba428]

Megasquirt

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

woops i am too late with ym posts mega squirt is a pain in the balls dude! you can run it but its a pain! did you buy one already built or is it that kit!

[j0n]

Megasquirt is for tuning platforms not supported by REAL tuning software...ever wonder why REAL tuning software doesn't support those platforms???

[bubba428]

its already built...hense the expensiveness

[Mike]

because those people want to be different, and tuning companies dont make money from different people

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

ahh ic
well thats worth it then. it will def work but your gona spend a while workin with it

[bubba428]

Megasquirt is for tuning platforms not supported by REAL tuning software...ever wonder why REAL tuning software doesn't support those platforms???

same reason nobody bothers with 3.4s :nod:

[SteveR]

it is a registered buiness....otherwise i'd give VISA fraud a call...


you can still call visa I think.

[bubba428]

I need it either way

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

you can still call visa I think.

:stupid:

[j0n]

same reason nobody bothers with 3.4s :nod:

...and that reason is...

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

prolly cus they suck 2.8 is better

[j0n]

prolly cus they suck 2.8 is better

DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING we have a partial winner

the real answer for those wondering is BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WORTH MODIFYING

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

lol

[bubba428]

prolly cus they suck 2.8 is better

lol dude its the same thing....just bored and stroked...I'll bet you didn't know the stock 3.4 heads are identical to you 2.8... hence this project

[Mike]

i have a confession to make. i own a 6 cyllender

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

you do?

[Mike]

yup i do

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

is it your boat ancor i say this even thoguh i own a 6 myself but w/e

[Mike]

no....but its not a 3.4

and its got a 2 speed

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

:scratches head:

[SteveR]

is the 2 speed a powerglide?

[Mike]

250 straight six with a glide in the 68

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

ahhh i was thinkin that but wasnt to sure!

[black34v6]

so. y'all just cant deal with the attitude? lol.

look -- im not mad at anyone, i just dont take smack talk about my car lying down. you guys have your v8's - i have my 6. i was doin fine and holding back till i got the "wow, learn your cars" comment to a question i asked.

I will admit I came off a tad harsh, and ill apologize for that. oh yea, i love how you dreged up my post from ls1tech. i got banned from there cause everytime i tried to chime in on something, i would get trashed in pms and on the threads i posted in -- honesty just because i own a v6, does not mean im clueless to the world of cars or muscle or engines or anything else - you need to give us "v6's" credit. we do know a hell of a lot more than you'd like to admit. So i told the admin he could delete my posts and my username - i didnt care anymore. he banned me instead (whatever).

doesnt matter, i dont visit there anymore. its not worth my time cause its not what im into.

FYI - im running the head swap on no tune at the moment. i have been for a while. doesnt mean i wont tune it, megasquirt is almost ready to go in - yup, i wasted my time and money on a megasquirt. why? because i need to and there isnt any other option. no one makes a tuner for the 3.4L car and i dont wanna spend 1000.00 on something stupid when there is a cheaper option. fyi i built mine and got mine for 140.00 - bubba paid 335 cause his is already assembled.

IMO: the lumina is quite simply, a pos. i wouldnt like that car either. thats why they had the 3.4 dohc in those cars, to make up for the 3.1. the 3.1 is basically an unbored 3.4 (the 3.4 came from it) - now you know why we try so hard to make our cars fast.

Everyone here keeps giving bubba **** about numbers. so ill put my money where my mouth is and give you mine. Think of this as my "re-introduction". I'll try to play nice as long as you guys do. agreed?

Parts List


swapped to aluminum heads/intake
comp cams cam(114/110/212/218/.476/.485)
RKSport headers with 1.75" primares
3" catback muffler from flowmaster
K&N FIPK
19# injectors
electronic cutout
8.8mm wires
crappy copper plugs


im sure im forgetting something but...

current hp: 184.32rwhp @ 4800 rpm / 212.97rwtq @ 4100 rpm
stock hp: 142rwhp @ 4500 rpm / 186rwtq @ 3500 rpm

yes. i ran a ****** 16.0 @ 86 mph (i just looked up my timeslip). do i like it? no. do i think its the best i can do? seriously hell no. do i need more practice at driving the 1/4 mile? yes - im not a racer. if bubba had my car im pretty sure i could pull a 14.9 out of it at least. why is that impressive? cause i havent finished doing everything i can to the engine yet. i havent done any porting or polishing work, the car is very untuned. I have spoken with a tuner who says that as soon as i get the computer in he will be happy to tune it for me and thinks he could get another 10-15 hp/tq out of it by tuning out the 10:1 A/F ratio that is plaguing my car.

so why do we get excited about running 14s? because no one in the 3.4 community has ever done it. GM thought, who the hell needs v6 performance. pfft. whatever. and so they just did what they always do. they threw together a motor that would move the car decently using off the shelf parts. the heads on the 3.4 car have been around and in the same form since 1985. thats 10 years. they didnt take a look at the 3.4 again till 1997 - and just from putting a better head/intake package the hp/tq (rated) went from 160 - 185 and 200 - 215. woo...yay. the big deal? i managed to take the same heads/intake and with just that and a set of headers, i gained 40hp and 45tq (not rw).

I'll apologize again too, cause i almost forgot i lumped you all into the typical "v8 behavior" group. i only did that because thats what it is. its like the only engine on the planet that anyone should care about is the lt1 or the ls1 or the l98 or whatever the v8 owner owns. anything else is crap and therefore should be in a scrapheap.

I'm not trying to start **** - i dont wanna start **** - but honestly i dont take crap lying down, i stand up for what i enjoy and believe in, and thats my car. if you guys dont like it - fine. dont care. some of you seem like nice ppl. some of you i thot were just messin round with me - but i guess i turned that into more.

Again, like i said, i'll try to play nice if you all will. I came to this board cause bubba said that james lost his car. I know james, I've known his car for a while and it REALLY REALLY sucks that he lost it. I feel bad for the guy.

I was reading some of the posts on the board and saw this one and thot id chime in. never wanted to get in a pissing match with anyone but that seems to be what it turned into.

so lets put this behind us and just let bubba keep his thread and keep it on what its supposed to be.

so he wants to speculate on hp/tq numbers. who here can say that they've never done that. im sure you all will but i see posts all the time from ppl (v8 ppl) who are like "this is gonna be awesome, im gonna get like 20 hp from this!" etc etc. im gonna run 13s!

thats great that you can run 13s. feel lucky. we are modifing our cars again, cause they are a challenge.

but whatever. one last thing - if you really feel the need to hate, dont hate bubba, cause he didnt ask me to come here, and he didnt ask me to post. so keep cutting him slack cause i know he doesnt deserve ****.

hope we can start over.

-R

[j0n]

i will continue to be an a******* towards both you and bubba because your cars suck...id rather drive my n/a sohc neon than a 3.4 f-body

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

wow that was a long post and j0n ripped on the poor guy anyway!

[Blacdout96]

yes. i ran a ****** 16.0 @ 86 mph (i just looked up my timeslip). do i like it? no. do i think its the best i can do? seriously hell no. do i need more practice at driving the 1/4 mile? yes - im not a racer. if bubba had my car im pretty sure i could pull a 14.9 out of it at least. why is that impressive? cause i havent finished doing everything i can to the engine yet. i havent done any porting or polishing work, the car is very untuned. I have spoken with a tuner who says that as soon as i get the computer in he will be happy to tune it for me and thinks he could get another 10-15 hp/tq out of it by tuning out the 10:1 A/F ratio that is plaguing my car.



Idk about bubba runniga better time. he needs to work on the clutch usage a little, and he hasent beaten me yet so.

[black34v6]

wow that was a long post and j0n ripped on the poor guy anyway!

yea. even tho i was tryin to make nice -- seems the only "typical" v8 a****** on here is him -- as i said, you play nice with me and i wont have a problem with you.

im makin an effort. oh yea, i have trouble letting things go too...character flaw.

[Mike]

so you ran a 16.0...........in my STOCK AUTO CONVERTIBLE 3.4 i ran a 17.0

your mods got you a second........