Do you think nitrous is cheating?

[WayFast84]

Poll

yes, no?

[98tadriver]

its only cheating if you get caught 8-)

[Jersey_TA]

If your talking about street racing........it's called run what you brung. There are no rules. Nitrous is just another power adder.

[Frosty]

If your talking about street racing........it's called run what you brung. There are no rules. Nitrous is just another power adder.

:werd:

I can't wait to juice the vette :D

[Jersey_TA]

:werd:

I can't wait to juice the vette :D

It's going to be a night and day difference. Everyone keeps telling me to put a 150 shot on the T/A = :shock: :shock:

[GrandmasterCow]

not at all just another power adder

[Frosty]

A 150 shot on your T/A would give me a stiffie :lol:

[Jersey_TA]

A 150 shot on your T/A would give me a stiffie :lol:

:rofl: :lol:

[WayFast84]

woot, Im sick of people saying its cheating and its cheap.

But its the inexpensive cheap :)

[jola]

I don't know if I would call it cheating. Maybe inflating your numbers. Like, your car only pulls those numbers on juice. So, 99% of the time you drive it, unless its a race only car, it isn't as fast.

[Frosty]

Go tell that to the GN guys that run race gas at the track ;)

[baddest434]

NO its not cheating. racing is "RUN WHAT YOU BRUNG" :mrgreen:

[98tadriver]

It's going to be a night and day difference. Everyone keeps telling me to put a 150 shot on the T/A = :shock: :shock:

If you do that, i think your front end will come off of the ground and your car will proceed to fly away

[Featherburner]

Cheating...no but, personally I like the power to be there ALL the time.

[Jersey_TA]

If you do that, i think your front end will come off of the ground and your car will proceed to fly away

LOL:rofl:

[stevethepirate]

i saw this thread and immediately thought "run what you brung"... as others have said. i wouldnt dyno with the nitrous and say thats my hp though... thats cheating!

i have nitrous on the camaro and the truck, lol. soon im going to have to put it on my parents hondas too!

[Jared1970Chevelle]

some of the fastest cars out there that are true street cars are juice cars..... its no different then any other power adder.... for you to run a "real" shot of juice you need to make sure the compression is just as low as a turbo or blower car.... you also need the same goodies such as a forged piston to withhold the power.... nitrous is the cheapest and easiest way to go..... its looked upon as cheating maybe if you say your car is n/a no power adder and you run with the juice connected and spraying.... buttttttttt you can tell if someone is doing that by the smell and looking at the exhaust during a run......

[bubba428]

There's no such thing as cheating....unless you drive James Bonds car and you shoot out the other cars tires...

[Brando56894]

i dont think its cheating, but if your running a car both of you specify no nitrous then one person hits the bottle anyway then thats cheating. So if there arent any stipulations then, no, i dont think its cheating.

[bubba428]

i dont think its cheating, but if your running a car both of you specify no nitrous then one person hits the bottle anyway then thats cheating. So if there arent any stipulations then, no, i dont think its cheating.

that kinda racing is gay, like pinks, Its to gif an inferior car an advantage...run what ya brung and STFU

[WayFast84]

that kinda racing is gay, like pinks, Its to gif an inferior car an advantage...run what ya brung and STFU

thats how they race thought, they negotiate for lengths so theres a fair chance, so the guy has a race. they do it on the street, its all part of the game if you want to race, you negotiate enough to get the job done and to have a race, if u are getting it done, they sand bag so they can get another race, so they can potentionally get some $$$

[bubba428]

Its not like I don't understand whats going on...I just think its F'n retarded

[Brando56894]

i'll agree, it is pretty dumb. It's not about who's car is faster it's all about negotiations.

[WayFast84]

If theres no race theres no $$ coming in... its how its been, its probably gonna change cause some people are just to dumb to realize racing is hustling cough ricers cough

[bubba428]

i'll agree, it is pretty dumb. It's not about who's car is faster it's all about negotiations.

If I wanted to watch 2 over weight douches argue I'd watch CNN

[Savage_Messiah]

Its not like I don't understand whats going on...I just think its F'n retarded


It's called the street approximation of bracket racing, numbnuts

[bubba428]

"lets race...but you can only go this fast" seems retarded to me, why don't you eat your own rotting smegma fidget...

[jeff wilson]

i like it when it comes in $5.00 balloons!!!!!!!!!!

[Squirrel]

not cheating one bit, nitrous is awesome

[Wasted Youth]

its not cheating, it's just another way of cramming more air into your cylinders

[Teds89IROC]

Cheating...no but, personally I like the power to be there ALL the time.

I totally agree

[j0n]

I totally agree

Do you guys go WOT every time you drive your car? If not then your statement is pointless :nod:

[12secondv6]

To the people who think it is cheating..... I guess you got beat bad by a nitrous person ;)

Me, being a nitrous person, hell no!

[Blackbirdws6]

It's not cheating and honestly if its on the car, then its fair game. If I race someone without the juice and then spray them...is that really much different than someone with a turbo upping the boost with a boost controller the next race? Also, throwing dyno numbers around on the juice shouldn't be "false" numbers either because the power adder is still in the vehicle and its what the car is capable of when the system is on obviously. Again I use my turbo boost example. Which numbers should a person post, the ones with the pump gas or the ones with the boost cranked with C16?

-Brian

[foff667]

I don't think its cheating in any way shape or form, run whatcha brung, if you don't tell the guy who cares?

[Slow Z]

that kinda racing is gay, like pinks, Its to gif an inferior car an advantage...run what ya brung and STFU

The sad thing about this train of thought is that you will be very limited to the amount of racing you do against other people. Having a nitrous powered car gives you quite a broad field of what cars you can line up against and have a good race with... Having a car that can run with the slower cars and the faster cars = more races, more fun.

I've lined up to many cars where we agreed that one of us does/doesn't use nitrous. Is it "gay" that I'd rather make a race interesting and challenging than blow someones doors off or vice versa? Where is the excitement in half-tracking a car or being half tracked by a car?

[WildBillyT]

Do you guys go WOT every time you drive your car? If not then your statement is pointless :nod:

No, but with other power adders you don't "run out" of power in a literal sense, and there is no delay when you need it (opening a bottle). I see what you mean though. Good point.

It is certainly NOT cheating. It's not like people don't know what nitrous is these days, and it's cheap enough that most people can afford it if they want it.

[Featherburner]

Do you guys go WOT every time you drive your car? If not then your statement is pointless :nod:
Uhh... yeah. Even if I don't I take it to the meat of the power and, enjoy the pull of the motor. 450 hp N/A verses 450 hp on nitrous with a 100 or, 125 hp shot around town I'll take 450 hp N/A any day. Pointless, I don't think so. Also, what happens when the bottle is empty? You get your clock cleaned that's what. So, again...I'll take the power there all the time.

[Teds89IROC]

Uhh... yeah. Even if I don't I take it to the meat of the power and, enjoy the pull of the motor. 450 hp N/A verses 450 hp on nitrous with a 100 or, 125 hp shot around town I'll take 450 hp N/A any day. Pointless, I don't think so. Also, what happens when the bottle is empty? You get your clock cleaned that's what. So, again...I'll take the power there all the time.

agreed.

[firehawk1120]

I think the key factor here is most people have other work done regardless of the nitrous. So most people are running around N/A with 400+ hp and being happy as a pig in *poop*. :D I know I'm at the bottom of the barrel but from a dead stop with my convertor I'm a beast. Add the Nitrous ON TOP of that and it can get ugly real fast. That is where the fun comes in.

I can't tell you how many times I'll be f-ing around with someone on the parkway and they think they can almost keep up then it's like ok I've smoked you 3 times already lets put an end to this. Turn on the juice blow there doors off and watch them limp away with their tail between their legs.

Nitrous isn't a power adder that most people use on its own. It's usually above and beyond the head/cam package, or the turbo, or whatever other power adder you have. It's the end all be all to abusing someone just to rub salt in the wounds..
:D

Uhh... yeah. Even if I don't I take it to the meat of the power and, enjoy the pull of the motor. 450 hp N/A verses 450 hp on nitrous with a 100 or, 125 hp shot around town I'll take 450 hp N/A any day. Pointless, I don't think so. Also, what happens when the bottle is empty? You get your clock cleaned that's what. So, again...I'll take the power there all the time.

[Blackbirdws6]

Uhh... yeah. Even if I don't I take it to the meat of the power and, enjoy the pull of the motor. 450 hp N/A verses 450 hp on nitrous with a 100 or, 125 hp shot around town I'll take 450 hp N/A any day. Pointless, I don't think so. Also, what happens when the bottle is empty? You get your clock cleaned that's what. So, again...I'll take the power there all the time.

I don't think anyone will argue with wanting the power there all the time. I would love to have the power there all the time but as of right now, I can get the feel and a higher power level as long as the bottle has the goods inside. Plus I can choose when I really want to put a big strain on the motor. Question was if nitrous is cheating and I think its a pretty clear cut NO.

-brian

[jims69camaro]

nice arguments, even if they are all over the place. it's not cheating if the rules allow it. dunno if you meant NHRA rules, track rules or street rules, but i don't think it's cheating unless it's specifically spelled out that it's against the rules.

until you get up over 100hp N2O, i don't think compression is an issue, provided you weren't running 14:1 to begin with. most street cars have less than 9:1 (our beloved camaros with an anemic 8-8.5:1), so it's fairly safe to hook up the bottle and go. that's why there has been a resurgence in use. also, i think with the internet's ability to share information, people can get their kit and the smarts to hook it up all in the same day.

[jola]

Do you guys go WOT every time you drive your car? If not then your statement is pointless :nod:
That's different. With nitrous you are using a part of your car that you do not use in every day driving. Again, my statement doesn't hold true for full out track cars since all their driving is done at the track.

[trashman01]

"N2O is like that hot cheerleader with AIDS, you wanna hit but scared of what might happen"

[98tadriver]

Do you guys go WOT every time you drive your car? If not then your statement is pointless :nod:


haha very good point!

[WayFast84]

lets not talk about the power being there all the time and stuff, lets keep it on if nitrous is cheating.

[stevethepirate]

nitrous is like the extra 2 cylinders that i never had :(
i like it because N/A, my car is pretty much on par with all of the new sedans out there... probably run a mid-high 14. with the nitrous, it lets my car into the realm of performance cars i guess. while i wont be able to beat a v8, it at least lets me keep up i guess. no one gives v6's running in the 14's any credit nowadays. its the equivalent of a low 12 sec ls1... so when i hit a low 14, or a high 13 on juice, im going to be happy!

[BonzoHansen]

It's only cheating if there are some kind of class rules against it and you use it anyway. In any other instance, there are no rules, so by definition you can't be cheating.

[sinistr]

a power adder is a power adder .. in the end nitrous cost just as much as a supercharger or turbo set up .. except for the fact that you don't always have the constant strain on the engine ..

as for cheating thats like saying if you take off your turbo i'll race you .. :moon: and for all the mofo's that say bottle's are for babies,there the only ones cry'n :lol:

[chemicalstylez]

If i had the balls to put it in my car i wouldn't hesitate to use it

[camaroracer1992]

theonly people that think nitrous is cheating are fags who are afraid to hit the button :)

[Batman]

It's only cheating if you lie and say you don't have it when you really do

[LS1LT1]

If your talking about street racing........it's called run what you brung. There are no rules. Nitrous is just another power adder.:werd: It might not be my favorite form of power adder but it is what it is and it DOES work. :burnout:

[bubba428]

I wanna spray liquid oxygen

[WildBillyT]

I wanna spray liquid oxygen

ROFLMAO. Please, please let me know when. :rofl:

[bubba428]

HAHA well it worked for Nasa, and It would be sorta like N2O only colder and Its would oxidize the fuel better. Of course it might freeze the fuel or the piston and the valve and the valve seal. Then again it might work. 9 sec 3.4!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mike]

if people think its not cheating, why do they go to lengths to hide thier systems?

[bubba428]

if people think its not cheating, why do they go to lengths to hide thier systems?

SLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPER

[firehawk1120]

because I don't like being harassed by the police if pulled over. I don't want to lose my back seat. If I don't want to be harassed at car shows I don't have to open my rear hatch.

There are 3 reasons to hide it, none of which have anything to do with cheating. I also had my installation done so i could run my car without others bench racing it telling me what I should run with my mods. I did my thing, ran the car at E-town with N/T on the window. When I was happy with my times I told people what I did. Even though they tried to find out by looking all over my car, and even getting the time keeper at e-town to post up my time, but I realized what was going on and backed off... LOL silly garden gnomes...

[Mike]

well if your hiding it from tech inspection, and dont let the track know its there, then YES your cheating

[firehawk1120]

the track doesn't care if you have it or not. They just care about your time. If you run under a certain time you need safety equipment.

[Mike]

********. if you have nitrous you have to have a blow down tube, it has to be mounted to metal and you have to wear a fire jacket.

[WildBillyT]

HAHA well it worked for Nasa, and It would be sorta like N2O only colder and Its would oxidize the fuel better. Of course it might freeze the fuel or the piston and the valve and the valve seal. Then again it might work. 9 sec 3.4!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NASA adds oxygen to powdered aluminum to create a powerful fire through a chemical reaction. Solid fuel. You would have to add a crazy amount of gasoline to prevent melting your stuff down in a glorious fireball.

[firehawk1120]

Yes you have to have a blow down tube. Fire jacket ummm NO. Like I said as long as you have it properly installed they just care about your times. Trust me I went there he asked me what I plan on running. I said I'm honestly not sure. He said ok, if they have a problem they'll let you know. Anything faster then 11.7 I think they bust your balls about having a roll cage. They never questioned anything else about the car and I ran 11.8. Never got asked to leave, never told to have a fire jacket on. Just pants, and a helmet.

[Mike]

Yes you have to have a blow down tube. Fire jacket ummm NO. Like I said as long as you have it properly installed they just care about your times. Trust me I went there he asked me what I plan on running. I said I'm honestly not sure. He said ok, if they have a problem they'll let you know. Anything faster then 11.7 I think they bust your balls about having a roll cage. They never questioned anything else about the car and I ran 11.8. Never got asked to leave, never told to have a fire jacket on. Just pants, and a helmet.


have you been there this year? along with the new helmets, a fire jacket is needed with any aftermarket supercharger or turbo or NITROUS setup no matter what time your running
the new 6pt cage rule is also 11.49 and faster need a cage.

[WildBillyT]

Yes you have to have a blow down tube. Fire jacket ummm NO. Like I said as long as you have it properly installed they just care about your times. Trust me I went there he asked me what I plan on running. I said I'm honestly not sure. He said ok, if they have a problem they'll let you know. Anything faster then 11.7 I think they bust your balls about having a roll cage. They never questioned anything else about the car and I ran 11.8. Never got asked to leave, never told to have a fire jacket on. Just pants, and a helmet.

NHRA rules state a roll bar at 11.49. You should be OK until then.

[firehawk1120]

are you referring to E-town or another track. I haven't been to e-town in a while, but I never heard of needing a fire jacket for having a particular mod, more specific to the time you run.

And I knew it was somewhere the mid 11's but wasn't sure the exact number of 11.49 for the roll bar.

[firehawk1120]

I saw this on e-towns website, but it is written in gibberish. Are they saying if you run under a 10.00 you need a fire jacket, or all e.t.s with those power adders need a fire jacket. If that's the case that's CRAP. I guess I won't be racing any more. F-in stupid rules.

ALL POWER ADDER RACERS WITH N0N-OEM/FACTORY POWER ADDERS IE:SUPERCHARGERS,TURBOCHARGERS,OR THE USE OF NITROUS. SECTION 1A,PAGE 24 OF THE 2006 NHRA RULEBOOK READS AS FOLLOWS. "10.00(*6.40 1/8 MILE) AND SLOWER; ALL E.T.NON-OEM SUPERCHARGER,NON-OEM TURBOCHARGED, OR NITROUS-EQUIPPED CARS WITH AN OEM OR .024-INCH STEEL FIREWALL: JACKET MEETING SFI SPEC 3.2A/1 MANDATORY. " THESE JACKETS ARE AFFORDABLE. THIS RULE WILL BE ENFORCED!

[Savage_Messiah]

I saw this on e-towns website, but it is written in gibberish. Are they saying if you run under a 10.00 you need a fire jacket, or all e.t.s with those power adders need a fire jacket. If that's the case that's CRAP. I guess I won't be racing any more. F-in stupid rules.

ALL POWER ADDER RACERS WITH N0N-OEM/FACTORY POWER ADDERS IE:SUPERCHARGERS,TURBOCHARGERS,OR THE USE OF NITROUS. SECTION 1A,PAGE 24 OF THE 2006 NHRA RULEBOOK READS AS FOLLOWS. "10.00(*6.40 1/8 MILE) AND SLOWER; ALL E.T.NON-OEM SUPERCHARGER,NON-OEM TURBOCHARGED, OR NITROUS-EQUIPPED CARS WITH AN OEM OR .024-INCH STEEL FIREWALL: JACKET MEETING SFI SPEC 3.2A/1 MANDATORY. " THESE JACKETS ARE AFFORDABLE. THIS RULE WILL BE ENFORCED!

http://medjeti.com/img/wahmbulance.jpg

[Mike]

2007 nhra rules on ANY TRACK IN THE COUNTRY state that any car with an aftermarket power adder, a fire jacket is mandatory...

please if you havent paid attention to something in a while, dont argue a point on the matter.

[firehawk1120]

you can both bite me. the question is whether or not nitrous is cheating. You got so off topic on this it's not even funny. So there was a rule change kill me for having a life beyond the track.

so sorry I'm not all knowing like you.

I showed you 3 reasons to hide it and you had to get all pissy because someone proved you wrong.

The difference between you and me is I did research, and then admitted I didn't know about the rule change. You on the other hand turned into a frigging dick about it.

and savage who the F invited you into this, and what does your gay ass post have to do with ANYTHING in this thread. I think the rule is dumb I'll stay off the tracks. How is that whining??? Yeah didn't think so.

[j0n]

http://dogtoe.com/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/arguing_on_the_internet.jpg

[Mike]

i was on topic. if you feel its not cheating then why hide it.......

and i dont mean why hide the bottle, because when it was in my car i had it in the passenger side wheelwell............i mean hiding the lines and cyllonoids and nozzles so that when you pop the hood, no one knows its there.......

if you go out of your way to hide it, then you must be trying to:

a. get over on tech inspection (which makes it cheating on the track)

b. get over on a race class (which makes it cheating on the track)

c. get it past whoever is looking under your hood for a street race. which isnt cheating since theres no rules, but is still a little on the cheap side.

[Mike]

no, the difference between you and me is that i knew what i was saying before i started arguing about it, i didnt correct someone without knowing what i was talking about....and i missed the part where you proved me wrong

[98tadriver]

This is the way i see it-- Nitrous is a bolt on, because you can bolt it right up. Yes, they call it a power adder, but bolt ons add power too, just not as much. I believe its a bolt on lol. and i dont think i will be cheating and/or lying the next time i tell the sucker whom i race that im just a bolt on/gears T/A because if you apply my theory, technically i am bolt on car
!

[jola]

Haha, so does a supercharger that bolts to the motor count? Just kidding, I see what you are saying.

[alamantia]

Ask Jerry Eckman...

[Savage_Messiah]

There is just about nothing at all that's not a bolt on. Think about it.

[12secondv6]

There is just about nothing at all that's not a bolt on. Think about it.


Porting stock intake manifold, heads etc :wink: Nee ner nee ner nee ner

[Savage_Messiah]

Porting stock intake manifold, heads etc :wink: Nee ner nee ner nee ner

how do you then re-attach them to the motor? :-D

[12secondv6]

Glue?
Epoxy?
Pour gasoline on it.... light it on fire.... *****.... that's me :rofl:

[Savage_Messiah]

Yeah, I'd probably use duct tape myself. :rofl:

[WayFast84]

I would use zip ties..

this brings me to another question.

why is it H/C/I

Isnt a camshaft an internal?

[WildBillyT]

I would use zip ties..

this brings me to another question.

why is it H/C/I

Isnt a camshaft an internal?

Because people make BS catch phrases about modifications, like bolt on only, phase I, heads/cam, stage II, blah blah blah.

As stated above- technically you bolt on things like superchargers, nitrous, heavy duty rear axles, heads, intakes, and all that.

[Mike]

a "bolt on" f-body is a stock internal naturally asperated motor. you are allowed to change rears, suspensions, transmissions, intake manifolds, throttlebodys, any accessories, electric water pump etc.

[ttpctsv]

any power adder is cheating! im a fan of N/A all my cars were my honda was 12.8 @109 my type R 11.78 @116 on motor 10.9 on spray my caddy is N/A 12.2 @119 my new gt3RS will stay N/A times to come by the end of the year. 5 1/2 months till drop

[98tadriver]

Haha, so does a supercharger that bolts to the motor count? Just kidding, I see what you are saying.

yeah, it does ! lol

[Mike]

who the hell voted on a 2 month old thread without posting........................................... ..................

[Featherburner]

who the hell voted on a 2 month old thread without posting........................................... ..................

Sure.... ask the question to throw off suspicion.

[trashman01]

y did u post on a 2 month old thread lol

[jims69camaro]

holy post reanimator, batman

[Mike]

someone voted and brought it to the top, but the last post was still from july

[Predator86]

someone voted and brought it to the top, but the last post was still from july

ya thats a my bad:lol: ...i was looking for something in the search and i saw that so i just had too

[Tru2Chevy]

I think I need to start automatically closing polls after 2 weeks or something like that. I'm pretty sure there is a way to do that.

- Justin

[Predator86]

I think I need to start automatically closing polls after 2 weeks or something like that. I'm pretty sure there is a way to do that.

- Justin

nah im just mildy retarted and forget to read thread dates
:knock:

[Dark_Knight7096]

holy post reanimator, batman

Holy possible Buddy List part 2 thread, Batman!

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