so where can I race??

[firehawk1120]

Just wondering where I can race. I'm starting to think I'll never race again for a few reasons.

1) stupid f-ing rules about needing a fire jacket for nitrous. LAME

2) e-town having noise regulations and people telling me the LM doesn't meet their muffler rule or some more bullcrap.

3) I live in N. Jersey and every track I know of is probably 1 hour or more a.k.a. atco from where I live.

Any suggestions, and don't bother saying change your exhaust, buy a fire jacket or quit whinning.

Thanks.

[Mike]

if you have stock manifolds or a catted ypipe, your loudmouth should pass........the people having problems are the longtube, offroad y and loudmouth guys.

sorry to break your rule, but i will tell you to buy a fire jacket, summit has ones that will pass tech for your needs for as low as 49.99

or just leave the bottle turned off and you wont need the fire jacket

[12secondv6]

Island is fine.

E-town - borrow my fire jacket. You have stock manifolds and cats so you will be fine with the decibal test.

Atco is far.

You have a d/s safety loop right?

How is the helmet? Snell rating?

[misterjuice]

on the streetz yo..........[/sarcasm]

[GP99GT]

:cry:

if you wanna play, you gotta pay...buy a damn fire jacket, sell it to james when youre done with it....he needs one for things other than racing

[transamkid]

at e-town, if you have nos or any non-stock power adder, dont you also need a cage?

[Mike]

no. and its not "AT ETOWN" its a nhra rule, etown just checks, island will check even more.

[transamkid]

i was only asking b/c thats where i read it, off their website

[Mike]

link?

[1QWIKBIRD]

no. and its not "AT ETOWN" its a nhra rule, etown just checks, island will check even more.

I was at island about a month ago (first time) and their tech is no joke. Nor should it be. I am just used to going to Atco where they are more "relaxed". While the tech crew at island is more strict, they were very professional about it and I saw them making recommendations to guys on fixes and such. The were asking whose axles, clutch, bell housing etc. on the faster cars....and writing it down on your tech sheet.

I'd guess that if you pass there, you are good to go anywhere at least from a safety perspective.

They didn't ask me boo.....or really check for anything, but then again i am pretty much stock.

Chris

[NJSPEEDER]

atco has joke tech. if you wanna run and not worry about all that being safe crap, just roll down there on a street night. as long as the car pulls in under it's own power they will let you run.

[NJSPEEDER]

1) stupid f-ing rules about needing a fire jacket for nitrous. LAME

don't blame the rules, blame the few dozen numbnuts that got burned last year because they can't hook things up right and got burned for their efforts....literally

[firehawk1120]

from what I know about nitrous it is not a flammable gas, so why would that be the reason for causing fires? you can wire up your radio improperly and get an electrical fire, should people with altered radio systems be required to wear a fire jacket too.

Here's another example, 2007 z06 vette runs the quarter mile stock needs nothing. a 1980 honda accord with a 50 shot of nitrous runs an 18 second quarter and he needs a jacket. Seems kinda lame to me.

Thanks to all those that posted good info.

[Mike]

nitrous backfire can set the motor on fire....

[Mike]

07 zo6 stock got kicked off the track at englishtown, know your facts

[Mike]

atco has joke tech. if you wanna run and not worry about all that being safe crap, just roll down there on a street night. as long as the car pulls in under it's own power they will let you run.

actually they climbed up on my trailor to put the numbers on the ta last time i was there..................they didnt even see it run untill it did a burnout

[NJSPEEDER]

from what I know about nitrous it is not a flammable gas, so why would that be the reason for causing fires? you can wire up your radio improperly and get an electrical fire, should people with altered radio systems be required to wear a fire jacket too.

Here's another example, 2007 z06 vette runs the quarter mile stock needs nothing. a 1980 honda accord with a 50 shot of nitrous runs an 18 second quarter and he needs a jacket. Seems kinda lame to me.

Thanks to all those that posted good info.

nitrous = oxygen, oxygen = important part of fire, people who are too dumb to tighten a line properly are also commonly found to be too dumb to wire things properly.
it is a pretty simple formula really, nearly every part of a car is flammable(fuel), nitrous provides plenty of air to allow a low temp flame to propagate through saturation, all you need is a small static spark and you are a weenie just a roastin'

BTW, there are a million stories of stock Z06's getting bounced for going too fast without safety equipment.

the simple truth of it is is this, if you don't want to play safe at high speeds your choices are to be jsut another highway fatality resulting from excessive speeds or you can go to a track that isn't known for caring about how safe you are until it is too late to help you.

[Mike]

while nitrous may not be flammable, many people use wet systems, and i think we all agree the fuel in the nozzle is flammable

[79CamaroDiva]

BTW, there are a million stories of stock Z06's getting bounced for going too fast without safety equipment.


actually, the stock z06s shouldnt be getting bounced if they're really stock. According to the rulebook, any car that is factory stock, regardless of what it runs, doesn't need the required equipment (roll bar, ds loop, etc). The problem with the honda - z06 comparison is that the z06 is meant to be as fast as it is and it passes highway safety standards whereas the 18 second honda hopped up on nitrous is not.

[maroman88]

actually, the stock z06s shouldnt be getting bounced if they're really stock. According to the rulebook, any car that is factory stock, regardless of what it runs, doesn't need the required equipment (roll bar, ds loop, etc). The problem with the honda - z06 comparison is that the z06 is meant to be as fast as it is and it passes highway safety standards whereas the 18 second honda hopped up on nitrous is not.

BINGO...we have a winner

[Mike]

eh ive still seen them get yelled at with my own eyes and ears. ive also seen one go into the 9s with no cage, THAT was funny (but he did have a fire jacket, proper new helmet, and shoes)

[Blackbirdws6]

when I got booted from Etown last time, it was explained to me that if a car was totally stock then it can run whatever it runs. However, once the car is modified then it goes into the NHRA rules. I'd still sign a waiver if I got a kill myself by not having a roll bar. I don't run any ridiculous times so I don't see it as being a huge deal.

-brian

[Squirrel]

atco...go...problem solved

[NightRydaSS]

when I got booted from Etown last time, it was explained to me that if a car was totally stock then it can run whatever it runs. However, once the car is modified then it goes into the NHRA rules. I'd still sign a waiver if I got a kill myself by not having a roll bar. I don't run any ridiculous times so I don't see it as being a huge deal.

-brian

about those NHRA rules; what about those roll cages they sell w/ the removable back cross-bar (that goes beind the seats)? That states that it ISN'T NHRA legal. But, if your like me (6'4), you need to have your tilted back for everyday driving, so the removable bar is what i'd prob go with.

my point it, will they give u a hard time with that? I mean it is still a cage, it just has an option of removing the bar.

[Mike]

yes, if your cage isnt welded together they will give you a hard time

[Savage_Messiah]

if your car all of a sudden is rolling over at 100 MPH... would you rather have that bar welded in, or detachable?

[NightRydaSS]

yes, if your cage isnt welded together they will give you a hard time

the rest of the cage is welded; it just has the detachable bar so that you can lean back your seat while DD'in the car, then put the bar back in to race.

It is really that much weaker? I kno that welding is stronger (comparing bolt-in subframe connectors to weld-in), but i wouldn't think it would snap like a tooth pic. am i wrong?

[Mike]

that bar is one of the most important, im not trying to argue with you, but it wont pass certification

[bubba428]

go to atco....they don't check crap

[NightRydaSS]

that bar is one of the most important, im not trying to argue with you, but it wont pass certification

No, i'm not tryin to argue with u either, I'm just tryin to get all the info b/c down the line, i'll probably install one. I don't want to install one that isn't any better then not having one at all, you kno?

so with that being said, why would someone even buy that style if the most important part is removable?

go to atco....they don't check crap

lol; i kno, i have heard. Id like to have it be "functional" tho.

[WildBillyT]

No, i'm not tryin to argue with u either, I'm just tryin to get all the info b/c down the line, i'll probably install one. I don't want to install one that isn't any better then not having one at all, you kno?

so with that being said, why would someone even buy that style if the most important part is removable?



lol; i kno, i have heard. Id like to have it be "functional" tho.

The most important part is the main hoop. That crossbar is in place to keep the main hoop from collapsing or spidering if you land on your roof and it also serves as a place to attach 5-pt harnesses to. I am not a mechanical engineer but I would guess that all of the bars used in a roll bar or cage kit are geometrically positioned to distribute the forces involved in an accident in such a way that it will minimize injury.

People buy those styles for either looks or if a basic bar is required for some other racing class. Who knows.

[bubba428]

not minimize injury thats what the seat does...the cage just holds a sturdy area around the driver in the event of a roll

[Mike]

of course its to minimize injury....in a street car with no cage, the seat belt is designed to allow you to move in the vehicle, that is incase the roof collapses you can duck or move with it..........

in a car with an upright seat and five point harnesses keeping you completely still in the seat, the cage is NEEDED to minimize injury in a rollover situation, a seat will not prevent injurys

[firehawk1120]

so if i understand this properly I won't get in trouble for just the loudmouth at e-town but since i have nitrous I'll need a fire jacket.

Atco, I can probably just go as is since I have a DSL, and a helmet that is snell 2000 or something like that.

OR I can go to Island but will probably also need a fire jacket and possibly other things if they are so critical of safety equipment.

Got it THANKS.

[Mike]

englishtown and island will make you have a new helmet too, they changed it to a snell 05 rating.........

which is funny because they still rent the same old pos helmets

[GP99GT]

actually its snell 2000 now so their "pos" helmets are still good

[Mike]

nope

SFI 31.1A, Snell SA2005

or

SFI 41.1A, Snell M2005

[GP99GT]

....well still its snell 2000 now sooooo some of them might be good :lol:

[Mike]

dude, snell 2000 isnt good enough, they made me stop using my 600dollar motorcycle helmet due to that

[GP99GT]

its in the nhra rulebook, its 2000 now....ask melissa

it was 95 until this year

[12secondv6]

Show up with a bycicle helmet!

[firehawk1120]

Show up with a bycicle helmet!

or a bicycle helmet whichever you prefer... :)

[79CamaroDiva]

nope

SFI 31.1A, Snell SA2005

or

SFI 41.1A, Snell M2005

its in the nhra rulebook, its 2000 now....ask melissa

it was 95 until this year


mike, where are you getting that from? the 2007 rulebook says snell SA or M2000 or newer. As far as i know 2000 will be good for another year or so.

[12secondv6]

or a bicycle helmet whichever you prefer... :)

Eh, I typed quick - der!