New Daily Driver....

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

I got myself a 2007 Honda Civic Ex as my new daily driver. Sold the 15mpg blazer to my dad and now I have a 40 mpg whip. Elvira (the TA) doesnt like bad weather so this will let her stay in the garage. :lol: It's also just in time for my trip down to SC this weekend :)

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[JL8Jeff]

Either you're backwards or I'm backwards! I got my 2000 SS to be my modern daily driver/beater. It's the newest car I've ever owned! It has cup holders! :nod: But if you have any kind of serious drive to work, a V8 rwd car can be tough in the snow/ice.

[BonzoHansen]

Don't tell UBG :shhh: :lol: :lol:

[WayFast84]

that 40 mpg city? Im looking at a $695 corrolla and it gets 27 city i thought that was good!

[unstable bob gable]

Don't tell UBG :shhh: :lol: :lol:

I've already been told. Yep, that's a Honduh. Couldn't find anything American to fit the bill? At least the Japanese gov't might send ya a Christmas card...:-x

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

Thats ok....in a few years when ur American DD is broke down with its common issues....my Jap DD will still be running stong like the day I got it :wink:.

Wayfast: It gets 32 city and 40 highway. I do a lot of highway driving so it works out for me. I dont want to rack up un-necessary miles on my baby. $695 for a corrolla...i'd go for it..they have a pretty good rep of running forever too.... :lol:

[BonzoHansen]

I've already been told. Yep, that's a Honduh. Couldn't find anything American to fit the bill? At least the Japanese gov't might send ya a Christmas card...:-x

Bob, look at the bright side, at least it is built in the USA.

[JL8Jeff]

Just don't let my brother near it! :rofl: He's killed 2 Honduhs already and he's working on his 3rd one now. Nothing wrong with a daily driver that gets good gas mileage. Just don't fall for that 100K tuneup bs. Keep up with the basic maintenance and you should have no problems. Keep an eye on every mile and every gas fillup and you'll be able to see when something starts to go awry. And turn the music down once in a while and listen to the car. It's amazing how many people don't hear things going bad on their car because they crank tunes all the time.

[unstable bob gable]

Bob, look at the bright side, at least it is built in the USA.

I don't give a crap if they are being built in my back yard, the profits still go back to Japan, and helps our automotive industry go further down the toliet. :-x

[unstable bob gable]

Thats ok....in a few years when ur American DD is broke down with its common issues....my Jap DD will still be running stong like the day I got it :wink:.


Why do you even bother with F-bodies if you are so high on Honduhs? Typical hypocrite. And I'll tell you what, I'll put my CHEVY daily driver up against yer POS Honduh any day of the week. Wanna put some $ where yer mouth about longevity?

[jims69camaro]

Why do you even bother with F-bodies if you are so high on Honduhs? Typical hypocrite. And I'll tell you what, I'll put my CHEVY daily driver up against yer POS Honduh any day of the week. Wanna put some $ where yer mouth about longevity?

easy, bob. these kids have no idea what they're talking about, they just listen to their parents talk about the '80s and watch too many commercials on TV. if they truly knew what was up, they'd all be driving american cars.

a little known fact about car plants, for those that buy into that "built in america" crap: an american plant had to shut down for the japs to move in, and they hired back, on average, only half the workforce that was once there. keep believing the hype, if you wanna. in the end, the money goes overseas. it doesn't stay here and bolster our economy.

btw, i heard on the news that for the first time in history, the japanese car makers have more than 50% of the american car market. keep buying those cars and pretty soon there won't be an american car maker left.

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

Why do you even bother with F-bodies if you are so high on Honduhs? Typical hypocrite. And I'll tell you what, I'll put my CHEVY daily driver up against yer POS Honduh any day of the week. Wanna put some $ where yer mouth about longevity?

I am sorry....I missed it in the F-body rule book on where your not aloud to have a honda as a daily driver. Honda puts out a good reliable car and thats what I need to get me around from day to day. I dont race it or plan to put a fart-can or any of that junk on it. As shown in the picture is how it is going to stay. I love a nice looking car as well as one with a great sond...and most of all speed...thats why I have my f-body. Call me in 20 years and we'll see where your DD chevy is. I had an 01 Silverado..purchased NEW. After about 50k it started with a piston slap....Chevy said thats NORMAL!!! The thing started to sound like a diesel truck after awhile. Say what you want...I still get 40mpg.

Not looking for arguements...Just wanted to post up my new DD.....if you have any issues with it...then dont post in this thread.

[unstable bob gable]

easy, bob. these kids have no idea what they're talking about, they just listen to their parents talk about the '80s and watch too many commercials on TV. if they truly knew what was up, they'd all be driving american cars.

a little known fact about car plants, for those that buy into that "built in america" crap: an american plant had to shut down for the japs to move in, and they hired back, on average, only half the workforce that was once there. keep believing the hype, if you wanna. in the end, the money goes overseas. it doesn't stay here and bolster our economy.

btw, i heard on the news that for the first time in history, the japanese car makers have more than 50% of the american car market. keep buying those cars and pretty soon there won't be an american car maker left.

'NUFF SAID!!! :-x

[unstable bob gable]

Call me in 20 years and we'll see where your DD chevy is. Say what you want...I still get 40mpg.


Like I'm sure your Honduh will be putting out flowery exhaust smells in 20 years, too. :rolleyes: And for the record, I'm getting 38 MPG with my foot to the floor all the time. Justify all you want, yer still wrong.:-x

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

Like I'm sure your Honduh will be putting out flowery exhaust smells in 20 years, too. :rolleyes: And for the record, I'm getting 38 MPG with my foot to the floor all the time. Justify all you want, yer still wrong.:-x

What chevy gets 38mpg?

[12secondv6]

OMG..... its her car..... let her be happy with it.

And.... I agree.... I expect the non american car to last longer than the american.

1_Hot_SOM_WS6 = best of luck w/ it and congrats!

[WayFast84]

i think he has a cavalier. the best on the highway my mom got in her fully loaded cobalt ss was 36 on the parkway with cruise on.

[Mike]

he has a crapalear, which is sold overseas with toyota badging........NOW THATS AMERICAN

[nj85z28]

all i have to say, is that you should have expected this, posting that on a Camaro specific board.

[Mike]

all i have to say, is that you should have expected this, posting that on a Camaro specific board.

she has an f-body, and now she bought a daily driver so that she can treat the ws6 the way it should be treated......who cares what that car is, half this forum has import or non chevy daily drivers. and almost that many DONT EVEN OWN CAMAROS OR FIREBIRDS, no one tells them to go away

[jims69camaro]

Honda puts out a good reliable car and thats what I need to get me around from day to day.
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Not looking for arguements...Just wanted to post up my new DD.....if you have any issues with it...then dont post in this thread.

ford puts out a good, reliable car, called the focus. it's in the same class as your honduh and would've saved you money in the long run.

chevy puts out a good, reliable car, called the cobalt. it's in the same class as your honduh and would've saved you money in the long run.

chrysler puts out a good, reliable car, under its dodge brand, called the caliber. it's in the same class as your honduh and would've saved you money in the long run.

sorry you've had a bad experience with chevy, but as with any make of car, sometimes there are issues. that is not to say that the whole line of cars, or even the same model, has the same issues as what you experienced. as they say, s h i t happens. it can even happen with your honduh, as i posted up about a few weeks ago.

i would've liked you to have gone with an american maker. i wish everyone would go with an american maker, but this is america and there is freedom of choice. sorry that i can't be less vocal about my opinion, but you opened the door by posting in the first place. what a boring place this would be if everyone agreed.

[nj85z28]

she has an f-body, and now she bought a daily driver so that she can treat the ws6 the way it should be treated......who cares what that car is, half this forum has import or non chevy daily drivers. and almost that many DONT EVEN OWN CAMAROS OR FIREBIRDS, no one tells them to go away


how about you go away, and who the ***** are you anyway? dont ever quote me.

[Tru2Chevy]

How about everyone calms down and expresses their opinion in a nice civil manner......

- Justin

[12secondv6]

how about you go away, and who the ***** are you anyway? dont ever quote me.


Oh no..... you have been quoted?!?!?!?!?!?1

:rofl:

[jims69camaro]

he has a crapalear, which is sold overseas with toyota badging........NOW THATS AMERICAN

or at least it's playing the jap game on their home turf. it's only a shame that we can't sell as many of our cars to their people as they sell here.

[Mike]

how about you go away, and who the ***** are you anyway? dont ever quote me.

oops, i quoted you. i think i just stated my opinion, i didnt rip into you at all. the only reason i quoted you the first time is so that the other 30 people posting in this thread knew what i was talking about.

[Mike]

or at least it's playing the jap game on their home turf. it's only a shame that we can't sell as many of our cars to their people as they sell here.

that is true, but i think its in europe not japan itself...i know my girlfriend (who drives one) saw some in london and was confused out of her mind

[jims69camaro]

that is true, but i think its in europe not japan itself...i know my girlfriend (who drives one) saw some in london and was confused out of her mind

as would i... hey, wait, i know that car... or do i? nicely done.

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

ford puts out a good, reliable car, called the focus. it's in the same class as your honduh and would've saved you money in the long run.

chevy puts out a good, reliable car, called the cobalt. it's in the same class as your honduh and would've saved you money in the long run.

chrysler puts out a good, reliable car, under its dodge brand, called the caliber. it's in the same class as your honduh and would've saved you money in the long run.
what a boring place this would be if everyone agreed.

I guess thats why there are so many different flavors of ice cream. We all have our own opinions and views..yes I agree on that. As I also stated I am not ricing out my DD....so I dont see where the controversy came in it. Not calling people out in it....no need to...its a DD....as cbrrmike has stated "who cares what that car is, half this forum has import or non chevy daily drivers. and almost that many DONT EVEN OWN CAMAROS OR FIREBIRDS"

I dont see why this needed to be a big debate...I wasnt asking anyone to like it or even purchase one soI dont know why some feel the need to bash me down on my decision. And as for bringing this up on an f-body forum...most of the posts in the lounge have NOTHING to do with f-bodies...thats why its a lounge.

[Tru2Chevy]

Congrats on the new car - I hope you enjoy it.

Personally, I would have bought American (like every other car I've owned) but that's your choice. Hopefully it will treat you well, and you'll consider another American car in the future.

- Justin

[Mike]

back on topic.......

i like your new car, but if you come up on a wednesday leave it home :)

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

back on topic.......

i like your new car, but if you come up on a wednesday leave it home :)

LOL...Thanks....Elvira is pretty excited about coming out on a Wed. :wink:

[Mike]

LOL...Thanks....Elvira is pretty excited about coming out on a Wed. :wink:


new gm stuff tonight : 5 or 6 gtos, one with a roots blower, a new z06 a couple c5 z06s, 3 camaro ss's, one firehawk, a cobalt ss, 2 saturn skys

[NJSPEEDER]

keep buying those cars and pretty soon there won't be an american car maker left.

i have an issue with statements like this. what "american" company would you like to support? chrysler is the last company standing making more than half of their parts and vehicles in the US, and that is about to change once the transfer of the company is all legal and complete in a few months.
most of the import brands actually produce more vehicles and hire more american union labor than the supposedly domestic brands that people stick up for all the time.
GM has nothing to fear in the long run since every brand in the world buys parts and licenses patents from them. they are like the 3M of the automotive world. lol
if you are concerned with the american market and the american dollar, talk to your government about teaching our youth about business, engineering, and corporate competition instead of telling them it is good enough jsut that they showed up and that losing is ok.

[BonzoHansen]

new gm stuff tonight : 5 or 6 gtos, one with a roots blower, a new z06 a couple c5 z06s, 3 camaro ss's, one firehawk, a cobalt ss, 2 saturn skys

OOoohhh, angry Phil can bring his Redline Ion. LOL

[jims69camaro]

cbrrmike has stated "who cares what that car is, half this forum has import or non chevy daily drivers. and almost that many DONT EVEN OWN CAMAROS OR FIREBIRDS"

I dont see why this needed to be a big debate...I wasnt asking anyone to like it or even purchase one so I dont know why some feel the need to bash me down on my decision. And as for bringing this up on an f-body forum...most of the posts in the lounge have NOTHING to do with f-bodies...thats why its a lounge.

i know, and instead of replying to that, i came up with facts and figures by checking edmunds.com, which, in turn, supported my opinion.

i care what kind of car you buy. you're living in america, so you, too, should care what kind of car you buy. buying american keeps americans working and it keeps our economy from falling flat on its face. i don't know how you missed out on those facts, but they're true. buying a japanese/korean/german or, for that matter, any car maker not of american origin, means that the dollars after the sale go back to that country. trade with other countries is way out of whack in some instances, as in the japanese case, where they import many more goods than we export to their country. can you guess who's on the winning end of that deal? not the american worker.

any time you see made in america, or made in the USA, it was made by an american company by american workers. by buying that good or service, you provide for those workers' families by keeping food on the table for them. by buying japanese, you keep the japanese workers' families fed. which would you rather do, in your heart? i know we all make mistakes and most of the time it's lack of information, which i intend to remedy. unfortunately, most of the time i find out someone is interested in a foreign made product, it's usually after the sale. i am not trying to make you feel bad for buying your car, but i wish you would do your homework before you buy your next. not only is the stigma of the '80s slowly lifting, but GM/ford/chrysler are actually turning out much better product now than their greatest rival overseas. that's just the plain facts. check out sites like edmunds.com and comsumerreports.com - they can give you the full monty on information without the least bit of emotion, so you can make an informed decision.

i never meant to appear to be bashing you. i know it's a lack of education, and no one should ever be bashed for that. they should, instead, be educated, which i hope i have done.

[jims69camaro]

most of the import brands actually produce more vehicles and hire more american union labor than the supposedly domestic brands that people stick up for all the time.

sorry, but you're wrong.

[jims69camaro]

if you are concerned with the american market and the american dollar, talk to your government about teaching our youth about business, engineering, and corporate competition instead of telling them it is good enough jsut that they showed up and that losing is ok.

i am and i do. the problem is, not enough of us are doing it.

[Mike]

you say you dont mean to be bashing her and the "younger people" but you keep saying we arent educated......well i went to high school and college and i dont remember the "buy american cars 101" class? saying we arent educated is in essence bashing us.

[Tru2Chevy]

He only means not educated about this particular topic, which he is trying to educate you on. Not that anyone who buys an import is also illiterate and a 3rd grade dropout.....am I right Jim?

- Justin

[jims69camaro]

you say you dont mean to be bashing her and the "younger people" but you keep saying we arent educated......well i went to high school and college and i dont remember the "buy american cars 101" class? saying we arent educated is in essence bashing us.

you don't learn everything in school. saying you aren't educated means just that, you aren't educated about how things are NOW, not almost 30 years ago, when GM was putting more garbage on the street than the NY sanitation strike. if you want to be insulted then there is no way i am going to change your mind. that wasn't my intent.

[jims69camaro]

He only means not educated about this particular topic, which he is trying to educate you on. Not that anyone who buys an import is also illiterate and a 3rd grade dropout.....am I right Jim?

- Justin

you obliterated the head of the nail.

[nj85z28]

i know, and instead of replying to that, i came up with facts and figures by checking edmunds.com, which, in turn, supported my opinion.

i care what kind of car you buy. you're living in america, so you, too, should care what kind of car you buy. buying american keeps americans working and it keeps our economy from falling flat on its face. i don't know how you missed out on those facts, but they're true. buying a japanese/korean/german or, for that matter, any car maker not of american origin, means that the dollars after the sale go back to that country. trade with other countries is way out of whack in some instances, as in the japanese case, where they import many more goods than we export to their country. can you guess who's on the winning end of that deal? not the american worker.

any time you see made in america, or made in the USA, it was made by an american company by american workers. by buying that good or service, you provide for those workers' families by keeping food on the table for them. by buying japanese, you keep the japanese workers' families fed. which would you rather do, in your heart? i know we all make mistakes and most of the time it's lack of information, which i intend to remedy. unfortunately, most of the time i find out someone is interested in a foreign made product, it's usually after the sale. i am not trying to make you feel bad for buying your car, but i wish you would do your homework before you buy your next. not only is the stigma of the '80s slowly lifting, but GM/ford/chrysler are actually turning out much better product now than their greatest rival overseas. that's just the plain facts. check out sites like edmunds.com and comsumerreports.com - they can give you the full monty on information without the least bit of emotion, so you can make an informed decision.

i never meant to appear to be bashing you. i know it's a lack of education, and no one should ever be bashed for that. they should, instead, be educated, which i hope i have done.

I agree 100% with you.

Even if manufactorers such as Toyota have plants out in the midwest, it matters more where the money ends up in the end. Trying to look out for the "american worker" working at these plants is simply looking at the short term, and not the long term. Theres a good book out there which gives a breakdown of just about any product out there, and it tells you exactly where the money ends up. Its called- "how americans can buy american- the power of consumer patriotism"- and you can get it from amazon or other online bookstores. you'd actually be surprised what country you are supporting by purchasing everyday items. just by taking a few extra minutes at the store to purchase the right brands- made here in the USA- you can help solve these issues and keep american money where it belongs- in America

[Mike]

you don't learn everything in school. saying you aren't educated means just that, you aren't educated about how things are NOW, not almost 30 years ago, when GM was putting more garbage on the street than the NY sanitation strike. if you want to be insulted then there is no way i am going to change your mind. that wasn't my intent.

i was just picking apart your choice of words, we have been on the same side of this discussion in the past and i personally agree with you (im on my 3rd fbody, second chevy truck and had a mustang and a couple elcaminos for a short while).....my parents are domestic car owners through and through (with the exception of my mom owning a mgb a while back) and now my dad has a toyota corolla to commute to work in.....dosent mean he likes imports, means he likes gas mileage. they have bought my sister 2 different imports, dosent mean that they want to hurt our economy, or bolster japans, it just means they let her pick a car for herself and didnt force anything on her.

[jims69camaro]

dosent mean he likes imports, means he likes gas mileage. they have bought my sister 2 different imports, dosent mean that they want to hurt our economy, or bolster japan's

and, yet, that's exactly what has happened. not forcing anything on your sister may have hurt her buying decision - you don't have to force information on someone. they usually listen to what is said (especially in the child/parent relationship, where the parent's opinion is respected) and then make up their own mind. but you have to offer all available information. i know no more about the situation that what you've said here, but i feel a disservice was done to your sister by not providing her with the proper knowledge about all that comes about by a simple decision such as what clothes to buy or what kind of car to drive. i don't know how you got on this side of the argument, have to hope it was your parents, but if it wasn't, where did your love of american products come from? do you gather all available research before you buy american, or do you go through life with blinders on just buying american because you heard it was the thing to do? (kind of switched things up there, for those paying attention.)

i don't mind having to back up my argument. it sharpens my research ability, keeps me on my toes, and in the end, it usually adds an interesting tidbit of information to help the next time the subject comes up.

[NJSPEEDER]

Even if manufactorers such as Toyota have plants out in the midwest, it matters more where the money ends up in the end.

ok, where does the money end up?
labor accounts for about 40% of producing an automobile. figure half of the car parts or the actual assembly is done in the US, so there goes 20% of the price.
now let's look at who serves on the boards of these companies. they are nearly all american business men, the biggest stock holders, most of them are american investment firms. hell, the president of toyota is an american adn former employee of GM who still lists himself as an american citizen and considers his primary residence his property in california. so there goes 3/4 ofthe profit on a new car back to the US, average production margain being around 14%, we will be kind and call that another 9%.
parts and materials production world wide is dominated by who? GM of course. with a labor expense of 40%, a profit margain of 14%, and GM holding more than 50% of the world materials, parts, and automotive patent markets we can see where mot of the money really does end up, right back here in the US.
the problem isn't where the money goes any more. it is image. he foreign companies are very slow to admit where their products are really getting designed and built because of the image of the american worker, not because of any actual lack of ability or willingness to put in a solid day.
GM has more technology in their pockets right now than most of the companies will roll out in the next 5 years, but they need to turn around the image of their brands before it is of any use at all.

[CJDZ24_Z28]

ummmmmmmmmmmmmm...........at a lost for words... I might do dirty things to the car if im left alone with it:) j/k I do want to say a Chevy Cobalt or Pontiac G6 would of been nice but the Honda will prob last a long time but I can defend the one small domestic I had. Before I ever came to a meet or started posting here I had a 97 Chevy Cavalier Z24. 5-speed 2.4l 4cyl. Fun as **** to drive and i sold here with 193,000 on here to a kid in Connecticut last summer. I e-mailed him about 2 months back and she is gonna hit 206,000 soon and he never replaced a thing. Only thing I ever replaced on that car was the power steering pump;) Good Luck with her. Im getting a new car itch really bad

[deadtrend1]

I can't believe how much of a ordeal this has become. Her money, she earned it, let her spend it how she wants.

[Mike]

and, yet, that's exactly what has happened. not forcing anything on your sister may have hurt her buying decision - you don't have to force information on someone. they usually listen to what is said (especially in the child/parent relationship, where the parent's opinion is respected) and then make up their own mind. but you have to offer all available information. i know no more about the situation that what you've said here, but i feel a disservice was done to your sister by not providing her with the proper knowledge about all that comes about by a simple decision such as what clothes to buy or what kind of car to drive. i don't know how you got on this side of the argument, have to hope it was your parents, but if it wasn't, where did your love of american products come from? do you gather all available research before you buy american, or do you go through life with blinders on just buying american because you heard it was the thing to do? (kind of switched things up there, for those paying attention.)

i don't mind having to back up my argument. it sharpens my research ability, keeps me on my toes, and in the end, it usually adds an interesting tidbit of information to help the next time the subject comes up.


she chose her car on its appearance, nothing american fit what she wanted, she didnt care to be educated on american vs import cars. she wanted what she wanted

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

ummmmmmmmmmmmmm...........at a lost for words... I might do dirty things to the car if im left alone with it:)

LMAO!! WOW...I am at a lost for words with that comment.......On another note...I have some pix to give you from my party......I look nice in the driver seat of ur SS. lol. PM me with where I can send them..lol....

[qwikz28]

i had bad experiences with japanese cars but good experiences with american cars. heres a fact: any car will last for you if you maintain it. proof? my uncles 92 civic was sent to the junkyard at 105k, my isuzu and camry at 130k and 154k respectively. my buddy's saturn is about to turn 300k. why? cause he keeps up with his maintanance and doesn't beat the piss out of it as bad as i did my cars.

enjoy the civic, i hear they are wonderful cars. my friend george already has 40k on his 2006. keep up with the maintanance and it will last you a long time. just stay away from toyota for the love of God

[qwikz28]

ok, where does the money end up?
labor accounts for about 40% of producing an automobile. figure half of the car parts or the actual assembly is done in the US, so there goes 20% of the price.
now let's look at who serves on the boards of these companies. they are nearly all american business men, the biggest stock holders, most of them are american investment firms. hell, the president of toyota is an american adn former employee of GM who still lists himself as an american citizen and considers his primary residence his property in california. so there goes 3/4 ofthe profit on a new car back to the US, average production margain being around 14%, we will be kind and call that another 9%.
parts and materials production world wide is dominated by who? GM of course. with a labor expense of 40%, a profit margain of 14%, and GM holding more than 50% of the world materials, parts, and automotive patent markets we can see where mot of the money really does end up, right back here in the US.
the problem isn't where the money goes any more. it is image. he foreign companies are very slow to admit where their products are really getting designed and built because of the image of the american worker, not because of any actual lack of ability or willingness to put in a solid day.
GM has more technology in their pockets right now than most of the companies will roll out in the next 5 years, but they need to turn around the image of their brands before it is of any use at all.

:w00t: i have stock in GM and ford. both posted profits last quarter :)

[Squirrel]

chevy puts out a good, reliable car, called the cobalt. it's in the same class as your honduh and would've saved you money in the long run.


edit: cobalts are POS's...

[CJDZ24_Z28]

About time! Sent 2 pm's awhile back never got nada back:(

[BonzoHansen]

So should I buy a Toyota Matrix or a Pontiac Vibe? A Ford Ranger or a Mazda B-Series truck? :willy:

[qwikz28]

edit: cobalts are POS's...

why cause you like the mazda 3 more? i would hope so granted it costs much more as well

although i do like the mazda 3 myself....

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

why cause you like the mazda 3 more? i would hope so granted it costs much more as well

although i do like the mazda 3 myself....

Mazda 3 are nice...my friend works for Mazda and says that they are actually a better car then the Mazda 6...he said he has ALOT less problems with them in the shop.

[Tru2Chevy]

why cause you like the mazda 3 more? i would hope so granted it costs much more as well

although i do like the mazda 3 myself....

No, his mom had one for a little while and couldn't stand it.

I had a 2-door cobalt as a rental, and I also disliked it. A nicely optioned 4 door would be fine for me though.....

- Justin

[qwikz28]

No, his mom had one for a little while and couldn't stand it.

I had a 2-door cobalt as a rental, and I also disliked it. A nicely optioned 4 door would be fine for me though.....

- Justin
i've sat passenger in both cars. i definately liked the 3 better but i wouldn't say the cobalt was a bad car. far better than other cars in the same class like say teh new chryslers or nissans or even the corolla.

[BonzoHansen]

No, his mom had one for a little while and couldn't stand it.

I had a 2-door cobalt as a rental, and I also disliked it. A nicely optioned 4 door would be fine for me though.....

- JustinThis is 1 reason why GM pulled out of the rental market, even though it cost them the #1 sales position. Most rentals are strippers and leave bad tastes in peoples' mouths. The Chevy Uplander I drove in Cali was the biggest POS I ever drove.

[Tru2Chevy]

The only issue I had with the rental (besides that it was very slow, which is to be expected out of an econo-rental) was the HUGE blind spots. I am taller than the average person, and usually that helps when trying to see what's near the driver's side 1/4 panel - not in the 2 door cobalt....I couldn't see jack. Very big issue for me. Otherwise it seemed like a solid little car, and got good milage (about 32 mpg, and I drove it like a rental ;) )

- Justin

[Squirrel]

why cause you like the mazda 3 more? i would hope so granted it costs much more as well

although i do like the mazda 3 myself....

the 3 is much nicer...but i have such a hatred for the cobalt

[Mike]

i loved my buick lucerene stripper when my pos domestic truck was getting a trans at 8k miles

[qwikz28]

the 3 is much nicer...but i have such a hatred for the cobalt

i have a stiffy for a white mazda 3 hatch :drool:

[BonzoHansen]

I dunno, back in my auto business days, i found Mazdas to be POS cars. But things change over time, perhaps. I also found most Nissans to be junk (except the Sentras, oddly enough).

[qwikz28]

I dunno, back in my auto business days, i found Mazdas to be POS cars. But things change over time, perhaps. I also found most Nissans to be junk (except the Sentras, oddly enough).

nissans are still junk.... mazda is doing much better now but still not up there with the likes of honda or even toyota (as much as i hate that company)

[maroman88]

nissan is the only foreign company id buy from. the GF just sold her maxima with 76k on it and didnt have a single problem.... she bought a JEEP! im teachin her gooooood, she really wants an 02 supercharged harley edition F150

my parents have always drivin GM's, my dad bought a loaded 94 accord used in like 96 with low miles with VTEC POWER! and that car sucked. you could hear every little pebble that kicked up and it was ungodly slow. needless to say hes bought 2 monte carlos for his DD's since then lol

[jims69camaro]

I can't believe how much of a ordeal this has become. Her money, she earned it, let her spend it how she wants.

how does that impact me voicing my opinion on it? anything posted here is subject to people's opinions, so how is this different? she obviously spent her money on what she wanted.

[unstable bob gable]

he has a crapalear, which is sold overseas with toyota badging........NOW THATS AMERICAN

Well, mine was built here and the engine was built at the Towanda plant in NY, wheich is famous for some of Chevies' most bad azz engines. And yeah THAT'S AMERICAN!!!

[DaSkinnyGuy]

Hey cool daily driver the boys are just upset they get half the gas milage you do

[Mike]

the funny thing is, had anyone said anything bad about you checking out that gremlin, you woulda been all over them like white on scotts ankles, but when she posts pics of her new car, its ok to bash her....

(saw a mustard yellow gremlin yesterday on the way to ac and thought of ya btw....funny lookin little cars that im sure could be cool as hell)


remember. the thread was "new daily driver" not "i need opinions on a new daily driver"

[unstable bob gable]

the funny thing is, had anyone said anything bad about you checking out that gremlin, you woulda been all over them like white on scotts ankles, but when she posts pics of her new car, its ok to bash her....

remember. the thread was "new daily driver" not "i need opinions on a new daily driver"

And it's OK for you to jump on me? Looks to me like yer doing the same thing your complaining about me doing. Lets pile up the hypocrisy. And FYI, my cars have gotten bashed on this board, as well as my lack of an F body. And I've taken it all in stride...

[Mike]

not jumping on you, im just making a point and stating my opinion, just like you and jim have been

[unstable bob gable]

not jumping on you, im just making a point and stating my opinion, just like you and jim have been

And that is the point of making a point...um, I think...:mrgreen:

[wrong generation]

im not trying to get on any ones case here for who bought what or what not but

i agree 110% with unstable bob gable and jims69camaro

hell there is no need to buy jap crap when you can buy a ford gm or mopar

Thats ok....in a few years when ur American DD is broke down with its common issues....my Jap DD will still be running stong like the day I got it :wink:

umm jap cars have more recalls and problems then any domestic car has ever had so i highly doubt it will be running at all let alone running strong for that matter.

and one last thing

I dont want to rack up un-necessary miles on my baby.

umm if your afraid to put miles on a car then why own it ? it would make more sense to sell that honduh and put any and all $ into your firebird instead of making payments on the honduh because in the long wrong you will have spent more $ on that pos then you would have on your firebird

[unstable bob gable]

Good show, Zeek my man. But I hope ya have a flame suit, 'cause the next volley of poo poo la la will prolly be heading your way...:nod:

[Knipps]

The only issue I had with the rental (besides that it was very slow, which is to be expected out of an econo-rental) was the HUGE blind spots. I am taller than the average person, and usually that helps when trying to see what's near the driver's side 1/4 panel - not in the 2 door cobalt....I couldn't see jack. Very big issue for me. Otherwise it seemed like a solid little car, and got good milage (about 32 mpg, and I drove it like a rental ;) )

- Justin

my gf has the same civic as 1_Hot_SOM_WS6 just bought and i felt that the blind spots in it were huge as well. but the difference is 2dr v. 4dr

[Mike]

umm if your afraid to put miles on a car then why own it ? it would make more sense to sell that honduh and put any and all $ into your firebird instead of making payments on the honduh because in the long wrong you will have spent more $ on that pos then you would have on your firebird

so everyone on here with daily drivers should sell them and drive their race/show/nice weather/fun cars every day? that makes no sence at all.

once again, i dont dissagree with people wanting to buy american, and im not saying anything about what is better, im saying that people shouldnt come into her thread and tell her she should have bought somthing else with her money.

but that last comment above just dosent work on an enthusiast site, id say about 80+% of the people here have a daily driver too keep miles off their fbodys

[Rich189]

:hitfan: im all for buying american but.... wow i didnt relize someone posting up pics of a dd would cause this reaction.... nice car 1hotsom like some others said not my taste (i find that they look out of proportion) but long as u like it and your happy who the hell cares what everyone else thinks

[Rich189]

all i have to say, is that you should have expected this, posting that on a Camaro specific board.

oh and i just wanted to quote ya because it really seems to get your panties in a bunch when people do that :moon:

[bandit88]

Thats ok....in a few years when ur American DD is broke down with its common issues....my Jap DD will still be running stong like the day I got it :wink:.



My DD has 269xxx on it........ and She's no Jap! Its a Chevy!!!!:wink:
the only thing wrong with it right now is no air conditioning and a cat eff low bank 1 code

it is a nice car Kels!!!!!!! Its pretty shiny new lol

[LS1Hawk]

It's amazing that most of this argument stems from when a guy by the name of Ralph Nader UNFAIRLY attacked an American car that was ahead of its time and could have revolutionized the US auto market for years to come, the Corvair.

[jims69camaro]

Ralph Nader UNFAIRLY attacked the Corvair.

he built his whole career around that argument. that was what gave the japs the foothold in our car market and it snowballed from there. good call.

[unstable bob gable]

My DD has 269xxx on it........ and She's no Jap! Its a Chevy!!!!:wink:

I say that statement speaks for itself.

[mtnhopper1]

The only car I own is posted in the sig.

Three generations of my family work(ed) for Chrysler.

I grew up in Detroit.

That being said, the global auto industry is completely different than it was even 15 years ago. The whole US vs Imports argument is not as clear-cut because US, Asian, nad Euro carmakers have realized that the are all better served to jump in bed together. If you read the corporate holdings of the automakers, US and Import alike, and read the nationalities of the officers/directors of those companies, you'd all realize that this entire discussion is a bit dated and irrelevant.

I gave up on this conversation in 1999 when my father bought a brand new Ford (Mazda) Ranger to park in the garage between his Vette and his '37 Ford coupe.

Here is a quote from the GM corporate website:

"Fostering Global Partnerships and Consumer Relationships
GM is the majority shareholder in GM Daewoo Auto & Technology Co. of South Korea, and has product, powertrain and purchasing collaborations with Suzuki Motor Corp. and Isuzu Motors Ltd. of Japan. GM also has advanced technology collaborations with DaimlerChrysler AG and BMW AG of Germany and Toyota Motor Corp. of Japan, and vehicle manufacturing ventures with several automakers around the world, including Toyota, Suzuki, Shanghai Automotive Industry Corp. of China, AVTOVAZ of Russia and Renault SA of France."

So if you want to make the "profits" argument, you can buy your next Daewoo without guilt because the profits are going to its majority shareholder, GM; the same GM that built your Camaro.

You try and figure out who to root for. I sure can't.

[Ant'sWS6]

she has an f-body, and now she bought a daily driver so that she can treat the ws6 the way it should be treated......who cares what that car is, half this forum has import or non chevy daily drivers. and almost that many DONT EVEN OWN CAMAROS OR FIREBIRDS, no one tells them to go away

LOL....so true!!!

Congrats girl....good luck with the new DD...We'll have to go out with the crew for some funnel cake to celebrate...LOL

[IROCdan330]

ok all i want to know is what the monthly payment on the new honda is...

im in the market for a DD as 18 mpg ain't cuttin it with a 97 mile round trip, daily...

[Ant'sWS6]

ok all i want to know is what the monthly payment on the new honda is...

im in the market for a DD as 18 mpg ain't cuttin it with a 97 mile round trip, daily...

Holy crap dude....97 miles!!! I feel your pain...almost 119 miles round trip from the beach to north jersey..in a dodge dakota...lol.

[Ant'sWS6]

I know everyone's raggin on her for buy the Honda....but don't forget...most of our F-bodies were built were?...In Canada....employing Canadians which means that more American workers got paid to build her car then our beloved F-bodies....so those of you calling her a hypocrite should look in the mirror.

[AliWantsNss]

Congrats on the new DD.

I was so close to leasing a 3 series BMW last year when I got my G6, but felt that because I am a GM dealer employee, and hear so much about the things being discussed, I would have a little brand loyalty. Ive had it about a year, and have had no issues. It took a little while to break in, but now it gets pretty good fuel economy for a car with more than 250hp.

I was more concerned about having something I would enjoy driving everyday than fuel economy. I can drive my Z28 when I want to torture myself. LOL

[AliWantsNss]

I know everyone's raggin on her for buy the Honda....but don't forget...most of our F-bodies were built were?...In Canada....employing Canadians which means that more American workers got paid to build her car then our beloved F-bodies....so those of you calling her a hypocrite should look in the mirror.

The long and short of it is that GM is an American company. The profits regardless of where the car is built comes back here. The Jap companies are pulling the wool over peoples eyes with the Made in the USA BS. The money doesn't stay here, and our own government cuts them huge tax breaks to run the factories here.

Im so sick of this global economy BS, and this goes way beyond cars. Look at the toy recall! Or all the food scares! Its time that people start making the effort to keep it our money here. It might cost us a couple more bucks, but in the long run it would be worthwhile.

[unstable bob gable]

I gave up on this conversation in 1999 when my father bought a brand new Ford (Mazda) Ranger to park in the garage between his Vette and his '37 Ford coupe.


My wife's 98 Ranger was built in Edison NJ. I call that an American vehicle built in America...

[Mike]

the long and short of it is that you guys are just being preachy, you have repeated your opinions over the four pages of this thread over and over. you say the company profits come back to here, but in fact they only go to gm/ford/etc executives and in a small way, shareholders. its not like they are pumping their millions into anything other than making more millions.....

no matter what brand of car american factories are building, they are employing american labor. which means americans are getting paid and in turn going shopping and making purchases in america with their money.....so in reality they ARE supporting american economey

[Ant'sWS6]

The long and short of it is that GM is an American company. The profits regardless of where the car is built comes back here. The Jap companies are pulling the wool over peoples eyes with the Made in the USA BS. The money doesn't stay here, and our own government cuts them huge tax breaks to run the factories here.

Im so sick of this global economy BS, and this goes way beyond cars. Look at the toy recall! Or all the food scares! Its time that people start making the effort to keep it our money here. It might cost us a couple more bucks, but in the long run it would be worthwhile.

Nah dude...I agree but some of the arguments here go back to who's gettin paid to build the cars (the workers end)....and the point is that our F-bodies which this club and site are built around weren't built by american workers....now I'm not saying buy japanese or european or whatever...I'm all for buyin american....actually may end up trading in the dakota for a G6 or Cobalt...dakota+119 miles round trip = lots of $$$$ for gas...LOL.

and besides....it's not like she's the only one on this board that owns a "foreign" car...hell some people don't even own (or have never owned) an F-Body but are regulars here.....I'm sticken up for her because she's my friend but also because like all these people that feel the need to hammer her with their opinion because it's their right to do so....she has just as much right to buy the Honda...if they don't like it they should buy her an american car.

[Ant'sWS6]

My wife's 98 Ranger was built in Edison NJ. I call that an American vehicle built in America...

And I'll bet that Ranger is built with half Mazda parts....just like my 93 Ford Probe GT was.

[Mike]

all this force feeding of opinion is no different than a politial or religous thread that would have been shut down 3 pages ago, no one wants to hear preaching no matter what side your on

jim made a point to call us "younger generations" uneducated.....in turn i can say he and some others are close-minded....
tomato-tomato
potato-potato

[Ant'sWS6]

all this force feeding of opinion is no different than a politial or religous thread that would have been shut down 3 pages ago, no one wants to hear preaching no matter what side your on

LOL..that's true...I'll shut myself up now.

Congrats again Kels....she's purdy!!!!

[AliWantsNss]

I dont think you guys realize that at least for me, I am way more concerned about the extreme lack of export to import ratio. Cars are only a fraction of that. Just for giggles try to go one day buying only products that are made in the USA by an American company. Its impossible :(

[Mike]

ant you werent being preachy if you go back and read the whole thread you will see what i meant

[unstable bob gable]

Ya wanna know what really burns my azz maybe even more than the actual purchasing of the import? It's the callous attitiudes taken up by the so called "American" purchaser. It's like people take joy in the fact that imports are taking over. They love taking pot shots at American vehicles, and think it's all a big fukkin' joke that the American auto industry is in the toliet. Whatever happened to American pride and wanting "the home team to win?" Used to be a person made a few bux they would go buy a Caddy or Lincoln. Now it's all BMW or Benz BS, or the BMW or Benz "wanna bees"
Lexus and Infinity. And doesn't WW II mean anything to anybody? You know, Pearl Harbor and Auschwitz? I can't see sending my hard earned American bux to countries that wanted our heads on a platter less than 70 years ago. You might laugh, but ask your parents or grandparents about how close we almost came to becoming slaves to these countries. Maybe your grandparents didn't even make it this far because of them. And don't think those countries aren't laughing at us, all the way to the bank. Because of the financial situation. We beat them in a war with guns and bombs, but they are now killing us financially. So, in the end, we lose because of ourselves. Pretty sad. Well, at least I can pride myself with the fact that I grew up in a good automotive era, in a family that never even considered not buying American. And I own some of the coolest American cars ever produced. So, when they come to take my toys away, or the only option is to drive an Import, I guess the gun will go in the mouth. But at least I would have died believing in my country...

[Mike]

its ok bob, calm down and support the south american economy ....

[AliWantsNss]

http://money.cnn.com/2007/08/02/news/companies/china_recalls/index.htm?cnn=yes

[Squirrel]

is this thread really still going on?....didnt read from page 2.5 on, and dont plan on it

[unstable bob gable]

is this thread really still going on?....didnt read from page 2.5 on, and dont plan on it

Yeah, it's still going on. Now it's in the "Funny Cop" phase...:rolleyes:

[AliWantsNss]

This is the most exciting thing going on around here.

[unstable bob gable]

This is the most exciting thing going on around here.

Yeah! And to change the subject for a minute, Ali, I can't make out what your screen name says. Is it that you want N20? :)

[LS1Hawk]

Ya wanna know what really burns my azz maybe even more than the actual purchasing of the import? It's the callous attitiudes taken up by the so called "American" purchaser. It's like people take joy in the fact that imports are taking over. They love taking pot shots at American vehicles, and think it's all a big fukkin' joke that the American auto industry is in the toliet. Whatever happened to American pride and wanting "the home team to win?"

I hear ya on that. Well said.

[AliWantsNss]

Yeah! And to change the subject for a minute, Ali, I can't make out what your screen name says. Is it that you want N20? :)
No the name stems from my younger days when I really really wanted a 1970 Chevelle SS. I had a Chevelle project that didn't go far, so I ended up buying my Z28.

[unstable bob gable]

I hear ya on that. Well said.

Thanks bud. 8-)

[Jersey_TA]

Congrats on the new DD Kelsey. Finally you got something with great gas mileage.....well that you can drive in the rain lol. My brother prefers to drive his 2002 cavalier the whole mile to work instead of the WS6. I keep busting his balls over it lol.

[unstable bob gable]

No the name stems from my younger days when I really really wanted a 1970 Chevelle SS. I had a Chevelle project that didn't go far, so I ended up buying my Z28.

Oh "an SS." Thanks for clarifing that. I'm a lil slow above the ears these days. :mrgreen:

[wrong generation]

so everyone on here with daily drivers should sell them and drive their race/show/nice weather/fun cars every day? that makes no sence at all.

what makes no sense is being afraid to put miles on a car and being afraid to drive it in "bad" weather

there is no point in owning a car if your afraid to put miles on it the more miles on a car the better it shows you actualy love and enjoy driving the car and having a car that is just a show car or just a race car is pointless anyways

[Mike]

what makes no sense is being afraid to put miles on a car and being afraid to drive it in "bad" weather

there is no point in owning a car if your afraid to put miles on it the more miles on a car the better it shows you actualy love and enjoy driving the car and having a car that is just a show car or just a race car is pointless anyways

so everyone with a trailered race car is wrong?

[Mike]

Oh "an SS." Thanks for clarifing that. I'm a lil slow above the ears these days. :mrgreen:

better than me thinking it meant she wanted her z28 to be a ss

[WayFast84]

My wife's 98 Ranger was built in Edison NJ. I call that an American vehicle built in America...
Hell yeah! right in the backyard!

You have no idea how many people closing down that plant put out of work..

My sisters acura intergra is a total POS! it needed, brakes, exhaust, alternator and some other things 2 times in one year!

thats a pos.. but she still has the screw america, jap is the way to go mentality,

Her and her boyfriend share a 500 buck civic, It looks like crap, has 200,000 miles on it, but still runs strong.

It just proves to everyone that any car, jap, American, euro will have problems and some wont!.

My whole entire family on my moms side, owns American and has their entire life till my sister bought her pos acura which almost killed her.

I support USA all the way, I will do anything for this country, and we need to start taking back are own country's economy!


And for all of you who cant daily drive a measly 12 second rwd car, getting 20 mpg and 26 highway, aka 4th gens and have brand new cars, you guys are punks, I would like to congratulate bitchencamaro, for being a total bad ***, and daily driving his 9 second car, thanks k bye

/thread

[Mike]

And for all of you who cant daily drive a measly 12 second rwd car, getting 20 mpg and 26 highway, aka 4th gens and have brand new cars, you guys are punks, I would like to congratulate bitchencamaro, for being a total bad ***, and daily driving his 9 second car, thanks k bye

wayfast you can talk about people not being able to drive when you can actually drive. my 4th gen dosent get that gas mileage, isnt comfortable to drive every day, and isnt practical for my drive to work, job, or daily needs.
so i bought my truck because i WANTED to and because i can afford to have 2 cars....

arent you the same kid that on page one said you were about to get a beater toyota?

so you can get off ubg's nutsack and stfu

[Mike]

that 40 mpg city? Im looking at a $695 corrolla and it gets 27 city i thought that was good!

yup found it before you changed to to your ubg sackswinging.

[wrong generation]

Ya wanna know what really burns my azz maybe even more than the actual purchasing of the import? It's the callous attitiudes taken up by the so called "American" purchaser. It's like people take joy in the fact that imports are taking over. They love taking pot shots at American vehicles, and think it's all a big fukkin' joke that the American auto industry is in the toliet. Whatever happened to American pride and wanting "the home team to win?"

well bob again i have to agree with you on this one :)

so everyone with a trailered race car is wrong? personaly i think so sense there really is no point in owning a car you cant drive on the street sense that is what they were made for

I support USA all the way, I will do anything for this country, and we need to start taking back are own country's economy agreed

[Mike]

so wayfast, with that comment i would expect you have your millitary contract waiting for the day you turn 18?

[wrong generation]

my 4th gen dosent get that gas mileage, isnt comfortable to drive every day, and isnt practical for my drive to work, job, or daily needs.

so exactly what is the point in owning it then ??

[Mike]

personaly i think so sense there really is no point in owning a car you cant drive on the street sense that is what they were made for


thats an interesting pov on a fourm of this type.

[WayFast84]

yup found it before you changed to to your ubg sackswinging.

HAHAHA, So a 695 buck toyota, it gets good gas milage and is cheap, Just because Im looking at a used car doesnt mean im soppourting japan, the money stays here, because some one else allready sent the money of their,

so your trans am doesnt get good gas mileage? so you get a performance suv, good thinking dumb ***. what do you get 16 mpg? smart move

[Mike]

so exactly what is the point in owning it then ??

the point of owning it is for the days i dont go to work?

[WayFast84]

personaly i think so sense there really is no point in owning a car you cant drive on the street sense that is what they were made for



Hell yeah, whats the point, Ohh i would like a car to be soo bad ***, I have to load it on a trailer and only drive it straight!! :rofl: I would rather run 10's in a car that i can drive on the street any time of the day, then run 6's in a full out race car.

and cbr, thats a good idea.

[Mike]

HAHAHA, So a 695 buck toyota, it gets good gas milage and is cheap, Just because Im looking at a used car doesnt mean im soppourting japan, the money stays here, because some one else allready sent the money of their,

so your trans am doesnt get good gas mileage? so you get a performance suv, good thinking dumb ***. what do you get 16 mpg? smart move

well part of actually having a job, is being able to afford things i want, i bought that truck because i wanted THAT truck, i wasnt shopping for new cars when it came out.

try loading all the equipment i need for work into the f-body and then sitting in a recaro with a kevlar vest on.

[Mike]

Hell yeah, whats the point, Ohh i would like a car to be soo bad ***, I have to load it on a trailer and only drive it straight!! :rofl: I would rather run 10's in a car that i can drive on the street any time of the day, then run 6's in a full out race car.

and cbr, thats a good idea.



funny, my car is registered, insured, and street driven. and the only driving you do is in the passenger side of the cobalt........so no 6 or 10 second cars for you

[LS1Hawk]

Someone mentioned this book before. Here's a list of products that are American. Some of them you'd be surprised what is and isn't.

http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/content/ba-samples.shtml

[unstable bob gable]

Someone mentioned this book before. Here's a list of products that are American. Some of them you'd be surprised what is and isn't.

http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/content/ba-samples.shtml

GOOD STUFF! Manwich is AMERICAN! USA! USA! USA! USA!

[Mike]

7-11 and duncn donuts arent

[unstable bob gable]

7-11 and duncn donuts arent

7-11 hurts me now...:-?

Ironic story about Dunkin' Donuts...one of my motor head buddies earned his wealth through DD, and he has the cars to show it! :nod:

[qwikz28]

heres a quick tidbit: my uncle was laid off from his position at ford and was rehired by Nissan. his position at nissan pays far better so none-the-less, he is happy. he isn't diehard brand loyal like the UBG but drives a chevy and always has

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

:hitfan: im all for buying american but.... wow i didnt relize someone posting up pics of a dd would cause this reaction.... nice car 1hotsom like some others said not my taste (i find that they look out of proportion) but long as u like it and your happy who the hell cares what everyone else thinks

Yeah tell me about it...thanks too btw ....Thanks Ant...so when are we going to the movies to get some good old funnel cake?? lol.

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

This is the most exciting thing going on around here.

lol...yeah so it seems. Glad that I could bring some action to this board. :lol:

[jims69camaro]

Someone mentioned this book before. Here's a list of products that are American. Some of them you'd be surprised what is and isn't.

http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/content/ba-samples.shtml

7-Eleven: Japan

well knock my socks off. no more 7-11 coffee.

[Savage_Messiah]

BF GoodrichFrance


wtf?!?!?!?!?!?!

[unstable bob gable]

BF GoodrichFrance


wtf?!?!?!?!?!?!

Wee wee? :twisted:

[BonzoHansen]

BF GoodrichFrance


wtf?!?!?!?!?!?!

Michelin bought BGF tires and Uniroyal many, many years ago....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v359/SIBLY/Emos/smile_stop.gif

This thread has basically dwindled down to name calling and dumb comments. I think everyone made their point loud & clear.