Japanese VS American (feel free to bash and state why)

[Noodles]

Turbos schmurbos!

[enRo]

Depending on what you mean... did u want to compare an LS7 Z06 to a Honda Civic, or an RX-7 to a Pontiac Sunfire??

Id prefer an all-motor american muscle car than a boosted import anyday.

[ar0ck]

IBTL

[Knipps]

:stupid:

is this really necessary?

[WildBillyT]

Turbos schmurbos!

So I take it you would kick a GNX out of your garage then?

[chevyt454]

All Hondas, Toyotas and a suburu I owned went to the junkyard from blown motors. I haven't been able to kill a chevy yet. True story.

[bubba428]

I've never killed a Chevy engine but MANY a auto transmission has fallen to my mighty right foot, GM or not.

[Noodles]

ahhaa, i was actually gonna trade this for a national


but the reality is... turbos die

[WildBillyT]

but the reality is... turbos die

huh?

[Bandit]

Guess SRT-4 suck too. If you're a car guy you have to admit the 4 bangers put out some nice power.

Evo
SRT
WRX

with mods they can keep up with if not pass most Fbodies. Its only in recent years the V8 boys are going turbo, twin turbo. In Brick Anger Mgt racing has a twin turbo vette pumping out 800+ HP and runs on the street.

Keep an open mind and you may learn something new.

[PBodyGT87]

Here we go. This could turn bad.

Now, most of the american cars that mimic the civics and corollas are cheaper, and the engines are the same.

Of course, my import has been to hell and back, and when it crossed the river styx, it ran over the boat-guard without a word of question. It still runs.

It even spewed out it's motor oil all over the engine bay, busted an exhaust, and suffered many unintended blows (including a large parkinglot hit and run dent). I can't figure out why it makes a turkey gobbling squeak when I'm going at slow speeds, and both sun visors came unscrewed and fell out. I havent put them back in. The headlights shine in two different spots on the ground, they are the worst, and the high beams are like low beams on a brand new car. No matter how many times the fan belt has been replaced or tightened, it squeals in the rain, in the heat, in the humidity, in the dry weather, in the cold, lights on, lights off, air on, air off, heat on, heat off, just not all the time. I have given up.

From what i understand in it's previous ownership, it has been offroading, it has been run into the ground, it has lost a battle with a guardrail, a stop sign, and a barrier, and hopped many a curb.

It still gets me from point a to point b on very little gas. it hasn't died on me... yet. The fiero, well, that's another story. Faithless.

The most important part of an American car is that we support our nations economy and products. We could be so much more self sustaining if we would just buy our own products. Sure, I'm partial to domestics, but hey, that import still runs, and good mileage too.

[WildBillyT]

Guess SRT-4 suck too. If you're a car guy you have to admit the 4 bangers put out some nice power.

Evo
SRT
WRX

with mods they can keep up with if not pass most Fbodies. Its only in recent years the V8 boys are going turbo, twin turbo. In Brick Anger Mgt racing has a twin turbo vette pumping out 800+ HP and runs on the street.

Keep an open mind and you may learn something new.

http://www.w2wpowertrain.com/t-novabuild-2.aspx

^ One of my favorite FI V8 builds.

[Featherburner]

http://www.w2wpowertrain.com/t-novabuild-2.aspx

^ One of my favorite TT V8 builds.
You meant twin superchargers, right?

[qwikz28]

You meant twin superchargers, right?

yes he does

[WildBillyT]

yes he does

Actually I meant forced induction in general. Thanks.

[Teds89IROC]

I agree with noah. I also give credit to the fast 4 cylinders but they just don't have the sound

[slasherbarb]

i am a fan of imports that are done nice...i am a huge fan of evos and skylines...i got the chance to meet a guy who owns a gorgeous R32 skyline and let me tell you i wet myself when i rode in it...plus i love what my friend has done with his evo...i love all cars in general, just as long as it is done tastefully and logically, whether it be import or domestic or european...

[Savage_Messiah]

but the reality is... turbos die

So do engines... transmissions... rears... PCMs... people... etc

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

i love all cars in general, just as long as it is done tastefully and logically, whether it be import or domestic or european...


I am with you on that. Very well stated :)

[Noodles]

Lol...

turbos die... WAYYYYYY Before an ENGINE will die... especially if GM made that engine...

and yeah transmissions die on all cars... import..domestic... they usually have the same life


SRT-4's are great... great and unreliable if you mod them
evos are great...."" ""
wrx's are great.... "" ""

thats just turbo cars

my buddy has a wrx that he modded WAY past STI status... breaks all over

my buddy has an srt-4 that ROCKED me in a race.. ROCKED ME.. he's pushing 400+... nothing but problems

evos idk...


Plus... REAR WHEEL DRIVE FTMFW




sorry but i don't think there is one person here that can argue that turbos last longer than engines.... in almost any case...



i agree.. .those 4 bangers are great... almost got one...

but we may lose our resale value.. but our engines last LOOOOOONG... v8ftmfwomg!

[slasherbarb]

Lol...

SRT-4's are great... great and unreliable if you mod them
evos are great...."" ""
wrx's are great.... "" ""

you can say with any car you mod the hell out of...for example, my uncle had an 89 IROC, gorgeous car, and he started building it up, it was one headache after another, especially after a day at the track...we went through 7 rears on that thing, not to mention all of the little things that kept breaking...it just isn't turbo imports that this happens to, it's all cars...you have the money to race your car, you better have the money to fix it when **** breaks...that a consequence that comes with racing

[jin1481]

i was looking gettin an import so i had something to put around in and stay out of trouble with. I drove a regular 2004 WRX, i cant by that car get me in just as much trouble as my Z28. There are some really nice imports. Civics and other front wheel drive import econo boxes are just that, the big wing and vacumm blower they call a turbo doesnt make it a race car. GM is even tryin to capitalize on the ricer seen with the Cobalts, G5s, and Ions. Whatever anyone likes to think there is know such thing as FWD sports car.

[Mike]

noodles stop talking out of your ***

[Noodles]

80's f-bodies engines arent exactly cream of the crop



my ls1 is problemless. and i'm modified

[BonzoHansen]

80's f-bodies engines arent exactly cream of the crop



my ls1 is problemless. and i'm modifiedYeah, you're right. I mean, who ever made a SBC run well?

[98tadriver]

I replaced everything in my drivetrain except the (motor) at least twice, but thats just me.

Bring me your tired, your poor, your huddled import and domestic autos yearning to be beat on and destroyed.

[Tru2Chevy]

80's f-bodies engines arent exactly cream of the crop

Oh yea.....everyone knows that Gen I small blocks were junk. Just look at how long they kept them virtually unchanged!!!

- Justin

[GP99GT]

80's f-bodies engines arent exactly cream of the crop



my ls1 is problemless. and i'm modified

how many miles?

just wait for that high quality LS1 to start the piston slap

[WayFast84]

80's f-bodies engines arent exactly cream of the crop



my ls1 is problemless. and i'm modified

whats different about 80's fbody engines then, 60's,70's and some 90's?

[WildBillyT]

whats different about 80's fbody engines then, 60's,70's and some 90's?

In short, the 60s are in a class all their own. 70s and 80s motors are fairly similar but there are some differences.

Think of it this way- the 70s were an experiment in emissions control leading to crappy power. The 80s were an experiment in fuel injection leading to crappy power.

To flat out say the 70s motors sucked is not quite right. Yes, they sucked on paper and in execution but a few small changes can damn near double the HP output of the engine. A new cam, intake, carb, and exhaust system can really wake them up. The same can be said for some of the 80s motors but to a lesser extent.

[Noodles]

Think of it this way- the 70s were an experiment in emissions control leading to crappy power. The 80s were an experiment in fuel injection leading to crappy power.

thank you wild billy t

and i have 72,000 miles.

[NJSPEEDER]

noodles, i find your whole argument about turbos comical. you do realize that there are diesels out there with turbos on them that have gone hundreds of thousands of miles, and the turbos are the same style and brands (sized differently of course) as what gets put into most factory turbo cars.
what brand or style the engine is does not make or break it as a durable piece. a lot fo factors of assembly, driving conditions, and the quality fo the work done go into it.
the quality of work is a huge factor when you talk about modding a small engine to make 400hp. were all the right supporting parts used? was the computer tuned to compensate properly? were drive line components upgraded so they coudl last against the increased power?
i know of modded turbo cars that put up big numbers and have been together for years, i know others that shoudl jsut buy stock in head gasket and bolt companies.
to generalize for or against one brand, style of engine, or model based on a handful of problems you have seen will be inaccurate. every company and platform has it's strengths and weaknesses.

[12secondv6]

Lame thread