R12 Freon for my 1991 Formula

[edpontiac91]

Anyone know a place where I can get someone to install about 1 to 2 pounds of R12 for my 1991 Firebird? I don't want to convert(R134) just yet, just want to see if anyone still has some of this stuff anymore. :?:

[JSPERFORMANCE]

for the cost of the r12 you can do the retrofit and charge the system with 134a

[Blacdout96]

yup. plus isnt it illegal yet to sell? I know retail wise, but havent they made a law for refilling a system yet? R134 is crap tho, I never had any luck with it, i prefer 50/50. 50% window down at 50 mph lol.

[quasar34]

check craigslist for people selling it..i got 2 cans for my bird for like 40 bucks

[JSPERFORMANCE]

Not illegal to sell it to someone who has a license. It is illegal to refill ANY known leaking a/c system with r12 or 134a.
The only time I have seen a problem with 134a retros is when the do it yourselfer fills a system wothout evacuating all the air and contaminates first.

[trashman01]

The only time I have seen a problem with 134a retros is when the do it yourselfer fills a system wothout evacuating all the air and contaminates first.

:werd: i cant tell u how many times we had that problem come into my old shop. and the worse part is that since its mixed R12 and R134a u gotta have a special tank and hose set-up:evil:

[JSPERFORMANCE]

People think its so easy you just toss in some 134 or worse freeze 12 and call it a day. Then they wonder why their system works ok while my shoots ice cubes!

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

you can pay 1000 bucks for r12 or can convert it to 134! converting the system over is easy never had a car come back to me!

[edpontiac91]

Never was able to hear from anyone who MIGHT have 1 or 2 of the 16 oz. cans lying around somewhere. PM me if you come across some, THANKS :bow:

[EVIL90SS]

its ****ing winter...what are you a penguin ?...wait till summer so u dont fill it and it leaks out over the winter.

[TheBandit]

its ****ing winter...what are you a penguin ?...wait till summer so u dont fill it and it leaks out over the winter.

no need to be a ******* tbh, he was just asking a simple question

[bad64chevelle]

:funny:

[edpontiac91]

no need to be a ******* tbh, he was just asking a simple question

NOT going to put it in NOW. Just trying to find out if there is some out their! :rofl:

[Fast92RS]

I know the norwood by my house had some 12 oz cans for sale. Im not sure how much.

[edpontiac91]

I know the norwood by my house had some 12 oz cans for sale. Im not sure how much.

If you could do me a huge favor and find out how much? Also would they have the CAN TAP for those cans? I only need about a can every 2-3 years, since I don't use the car that much, and it doesn't go bad in a SEALED can! :nod:

[Fast92RS]

Ok I know they wont sell it to someone without a lic. But I will check. Im not sure if they have the taps. I will check on monday or tuesday.

[alamantia]

http://www.freeze12.com/

[Tru2Chevy]

From what I've heard, the Freeze 12 stuff isn't worth squat.

- Justin

[unstable bob gable]

FREEZE 12™ is EPA acceptable for mobile applications subject to the use conditions applicable to motor vehicle air conditioning.
FREEZE 12™ is an ideal replacement for R-12 requiring no extensive training.
FREEZE 12™ is a patented product.
FREEZE 12™ is non-flammable and contains no CFC'S.
FREEZE 12™ is made from readily available raw materials.
FREEZE 12™ requires no system flushes or lubricant change. It works with the existing R-12 lubricant.
FREEZE 12™ has been sold for several years and has been installed successfully in thousands of makes and models without problems. Conversion simply requires different fittings and labels which are available through H&H Co. (Click any store button or Call (888)903-7111
FREEZE 12™ is the ideal replacement for older R-12 A/C systems that normally require expensive retrofitting to R-134a.
FREEZE 12™ is priced way below R-12.
FREEZE 12™ is lighter than R-12 therefore you will not have to use as much. Approximately 90% of the required R-12 charge is all that is needed.

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[BonzoHansen]

I have not heard good things about Freeze 12 from guys in the AC business. I'll poke around some more with guys I know.

[edpontiac91]

THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP GUYS. MY SYSTEM WAS WORKING OK DURING THE SUMMER, BUT IT JUST NEEDS A SHOT EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS. I guess we ALL LEAK a little as we get older. Check your shorts, you'll see what I'am talking about! :omg:

[BonzoHansen]

Interesting topic. It made me do some reading. Some quick notes I caught from AC professionals at http://www.autoacforum.com

"Freeze 12 is 80 percent R134a and when used with an R12 accumulator/drier the desiccant bag can break causing a compressor failure."<-- this is the comment that would make me run.

"Freeze 12 is 80% 134a and 20% 142b. It is EPA approved but does not have OEM approval. Using it requires a "Basic" retrofit including only evacuation, Fittings and Labels."
http://www.epa.gov/ozone/snap/refrigerants/refblend.html backs this comment.

A few interesting threads on it:
http://www.autoacforum.com/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=6866&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=&STARTPAGE=2
http://www.autoacforum.com/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=16974&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

It is a replacement for R12, but it needs to be retrofitted, it should not be mixed. Plus if you mix it (or even just use it) you may have trouble getting proper AC service (if you are up front with the AC guy).
http://www.epa.gov/ozone/snap/refrigerants/lists/chiller.html#conditions

Many comments lead me to think you should try to find a can of R12. If need be the certification to get it is easy. Even I have the cert here somewhere. http://www.macsw.org/certification.php

To use Freeze12 it would appear to be easier to retrofit to 134.

[NumberTwo]

Ok I know they wont sell it to someone without a lic. But I will check. Im not sure if they have the taps. I will check on monday or tuesday.
Most of our stores sent the R12 back. And yes, we will not sell it unless the buyer is certified/licensed. And I think the warehouse has a few of the taps floating around.

[chrisfrom nj]

convert it to 134 a

[Savage_Messiah]

no need to be a ******* tbh, he was just asking a simple question

:rofl: it's matt... he's not being an *******, he's just being himself :lol:

[edpontiac91]

Interesting topic. It made me do some reading. Some quick notes I caught from AC professionals at http://www.autoacforum.com

"Freeze 12 is 80 percent R134a and when used with an R12 accumulator/drier the desiccant bag can break causing a compressor failure."<-- this is the comment that would make me run.

"Freeze 12 is 80% 134a and 20% 142b. It is EPA approved but does not have OEM approval. Using it requires a "Basic" retrofit including only evacuation, Fittings and Labels."
http://www.epa.gov/ozone/snap/refrigerants/refblend.html backs this comment.

A few interesting threads on it:
http://www.autoacforum.com/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=6866&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=&STARTPAGE=2
http://www.autoacforum.com/messageview.cfm?catid=2&threadid=16974&FTVAR_MSGDBTABLE=

It is a replacement for R12, but it needs to be retrofitted, it should not be mixed. Plus if you mix it (or even just use it) you may have trouble getting proper AC service (if you are up front with the AC guy).
http://www.epa.gov/ozone/snap/refrigerants/lists/chiller.html#conditions

Many comments lead me to think you should try to find a can of R12. If need be the certification to get it is easy. Even I have the cert here somewhere. http://www.macsw.org/certification.php

To use Freeze12 it would appear to be easier to retrofit to 134.

WOW, Fantastic information. It clears up a LOT of questions about this stuff. Like I said, my system is fine. Like any normal A/C, it requires a little shot of Freon every 3-5 years, so if I get a couple of cans I should be good to go for quite awhile. Thanks again for all the information.

[NumberTwo]

You just may be in luck. If you're in Piscataway, then you know where the Sovereign bank and Gino's car stereo shop is at the corner of Stelton and S Washington. My store is on the dead end. There was a "Damaged" can at the warehouse that they're supposedly shipping to me tomorrow. A cap wont fit on it, but you can still get a side puncture tool which will work. I should have it after lunch time and Im open till 5.

[PolarBear]

It is illegal to refill ANY known leaking a/c system with 134a.

You positive about that? Those "cans of air" are generally R134a and you can buy a side tap adapter to use them on your system because they are generally cheaper than the stuff for the A/C in the car. I know because I have seen the cans and the adapters. I think it is a lot cheaper because it doesnt have the lubricant already in it?

[BonzoHansen]

You positive about that? Those "cans of air" are generally R134a and you can buy a side tap adapter to use them on your system because they are generally cheaper than the stuff for the A/C in the car. I know because I have seen the cans and the adapters. I think it is a lot cheaper because it doesnt have the lubricant already in it?

Technically, yes. It is illegal to fill any known leaking system...

[PolarBear]

Technically, yes. It is illegal to fill any known leaking system...

Interesting, even when people are releasing it all the time........ stupid government :moon:

[BonzoHansen]

Interesting, even when people are releasing it all the time........ stupid government :moon:

It is geared towards shops and such.

[JSPERFORMANCE]

r134a does not have any lubricant in it niether does r12. If you want to add oil you have to use an oil charge or manually add it into an open line or fitting.

[PolarBear]

I have seen cans that have the lubricant added to it.

[BonzoHansen]

I have seen cans that have the lubricant added to it.

and/or dye. Little cans for the home guy. 30lb cans do not.

[84HOtransam]

ive got a 30lb cylinder of the r12..but like everyone else said its cheaper to just convert to the new stuff..last time i could find a 30lb cylinder to buy it cost about 900 bucks..typical empty car system take just under 3lbs.. my dad is a licensed refigeration tech..he has extensive experience with retrofit products like freeze 12 and from what he has explained to me using too much of it in a system can cause the head pressure to jump way up and the system will just shut down

to properly convert your car you should drain the system completly get a new accumluator and oriface from GM.. get about 6oz of oil and 3lb of the 134a...after the conversion i noticed no difference between the 12 and 134.. although if you measure the temp coming out of the vent r12 runs about 40 degrees and r134 will only get down to 50..

if it just needs a charge just find a shop that has it..i have no idea what it would cost..