A BIG F U goes out to...

[12secondv6]

NJDMV!!!!!

The wifey took my Trans Am to inspection today.

They failed it because of "modified exhaust/ too loud."

That is ******* ********!!!!!

Loudmouth cat back is completely legal.

F U NJ DMV!!!!!

So..... anyone know where I can go for inspection? It passes emissions..... and retains ALL emissions related parts. It just has a cat back on it.

[ShitOnWheels]

I even did the low cut shirt and got an older gentleman (nice guy, 40s or 50s). He revved it a lot...figured he enjoyed the car. Then I get "Failed for Modified Exhaust and too loud." But then he says (different guy) that it shouldn't have failed for too loud, but it is still modified. :shrug:

But it passed emissions with flying colors since all they do now is the OBD test. Oh well.

[ar0ck]

Which station did you take it too? I would try another station.

[ShitOnWheels]

Which station did you take it too? I would try another station.

Wayne.

But the rejection already says modified/loud exhaust. They're gonna see no changes and still fail it. :shrug:

[ar0ck]

I would just rip that failed sticker off and try again in another town.

Either that or just pay the $60-$80 & take it to a private place and pass legitimately.

[maroman88]

since when is it illegal to modify your exhaust?

[maroman88]

I would just rip that failed sticker off and try again in another town.

Either that or just pay the $60-$80 & take it to a private place and pass legitimately.

its still in the computer system, dontcha love technology?

[ar0ck]

bah screw that crap. Call SLP maybe get some sort of documentation saying the LM is a legit exhaust?

[Knipps]

i have a few things i'll fail for so i can't have it inspected before i go to school
now my dad's going to be an *** and take it off insurance out of paranoia :-x

(i still think it's retarded we can't say azz, they can say it on cable so it's not saving anyone from being exposed to it)

[LS1Hawk]

bah screw that crap. Call SLP maybe get some sort of documentation saying the LM is a legit exhaust?

When I ordered my Loud Mouth 2, I asked SLP if they ever had any complaints from customers about it not passing inspection. They said no, but that they've gotten many for the regular Loud Mouth.

[jims69camaro]

get documentation from SLP. go to regional DMV center (eatontown, trenton, deptford), show docs to person at desk, ask where to go in order to get your "LEGAL" exhaust system passed. they should be able to handle everything for you right there, including a new inspection sticker.

[slugger27nj]

That is crap! The person that made this decision was just being a *******. My LM1 has passed 3 times at the Freehold Insp. Station. Actually just went through at the end of July with no problems. It's really sad, but most the people that work at these stations don't have a clue about cars to begin with.

[slugger27nj]

Click this link to SLP's site:
http://www.slponline.com/view_product.asp?P=31042A

Then click on "instructions" on the side bar to the left. The 3rd page of this PDF explains the design and legality of the system. The following statement is included:
Only actual laboratory decibel measurements are a fair measurement of a muffler’s effectiveness to quiet exhaust and should be required and completed to judge an exhaust system. Most jurisdictions do not have the ability to measure noise levels accurately. The testing is very subjective if not properly and accurately completed.

[NJSPEEDER]

if you have the DOT sticker and information you can go back to them about it. you can also point out that "too loud" is not a subjective standard that they can jsut raise whenever they want.
"too loud" is legally defined as 90db under partial load in an open area. there is a proper test procedure for it an everything.
if you don't have the DOT docs adn sticker anymore, jsut call SLP, i am sure they will be happy to provide them.

[Savage_Messiah]

I failed multiple times for my magnaflow.

That last quote is fairy tale, nice to believe but not true... I called to *****, and was told that "the exhaust being too loud is up to the inspector's discretion"

I just kept going to different ones... ridgewood turned me down even with the paperwork from Magnaflow... finally I got some kid at one of the stations, aid to him "hereI failed before, they told me to come back with this paperwork and I'd be fine," showed him the paperwork and passed.


edit: Tim, show me the law wwhere it says 90 dB.... cuz I had my town's cops pouring over every single book to find a legal limit, and they found nothing

[Noodles]

no im pretty sure that even on stock cats, if its too loud its too loud.. there is a decibel limit..

[NJSPEEDER]

no im pretty sure that even on stock cats, if its too loud its too loud.. there is a decibel limit..

the federal highway limit, which is the guideline used in new jersey, is 90db. trust me, it is way louder than you think and not up to subjective enforcement.
foff667 will remember this one. my 1991 Camaro RS, LO3, headers, !cat, and borla with the open plate. i picked up the same sound pressure meter that the NHRA uses to enforce their db limit only to find out that doing the test completely wrong i couldn't get my car over the limit. holding the meter about 6 inches from the tail pipe and rev'ing to to 5k barely hit 80db.

kasey, i will find the law and get you a copy. it is a fun weapon to have when power trip nitwits try to bust you. i can't tell you the number fo times i got uled over for noise. best part is, i didn't ever get asked a single time about the slicks adn skinnies i drove around on for 2 years. lol

[The Fixer]

NJDMV!!!!!

The wifey took my Trans Am to inspection today.

They failed it because of "modified exhaust/ too loud."



I really don't understand how they can measure the db of an exhaust system in an open cinderblock building; it's like a long tunnel! "Hello...hellooo! Echo...echooo!" They should take it outside to do the volume check. Pure BS, IMO. You might have to try a local shop and pay the $$.

[ShitOnWheels]

the federal highway limit, which is the guideline used in new jersey, is 90db. trust me, it is way louder than you think and not up to subjective enforcement.
foff667 will remember this one. my 1991 Camaro RS, LO3, headers, !cat, and borla with the open plate. i picked up the same sound pressure meter that the NHRA uses to enforce their db limit only to find out that doing the test completely wrong i couldn't get my car over the limit. holding the meter about 6 inches from the tail pipe and rev'ing to to 5k barely hit 80db.

kasey, i will find the law and get you a copy. it is a fun weapon to have when power trip nitwits try to bust you. i can't tell you the number fo times i got uled over for noise. best part is, i didn't ever get asked a single time about the slicks adn skinnies i drove around on for 2 years. lol

Send to me as well please. If I can get the SLP docs and that I'll take it back and say "Ha, you suck, pass me now." :)

[ShitOnWheels]

I really don't understand how they can measure the db of an exhaust system in an open cinderblock building; it's like a long tunnel! "Hello...hellooo! Echo...echooo!" They should take it outside to do the volume check. Pure BS, IMO. You might have to try a local shop and pay the $$.

Exactly. Any car is gonna sound loud in there. The ford heavy duty truck sounded about as loud as the TA. But whatever. What can ya do.

[Predator86]

I always get inspected at a shop...i goto johnny jem in middlesex by piscataway...it cost 60 p[lus buck but he always passes me

and as far as sound goes...my neighbor could wake up a dinosaur with his forumula and he goes to the same shop i do and has never failed

[bubba428]

never been hit for noise.....

[trashman01]

never been hit for noise.....

u drive a v6 lol

[band77one]

^ lmfao. i got pulled over and the cop actually asked me what was wrong with my exhaust once, ive got hooker headers, high flow cat and a flowmaster 80series. also when i got my truck inspected in april/may, they had the shop door closed, and the guy who ive taken my stuff to for 2 years actually had the balls to tell me my truck was too loud, its only got a flowmaster on there lol

[qwikz28]

you know, this always killed me. my neighbor has a 1600cc bike thats louder than kasey is short... yet they hassle us for a catback. even my moms car is damn loud. the law is waaaay too lopsided

[Savage_Messiah]

u drive a v6 lol

Me too. I didn't pass until the fifth try, and that was with stock log manifolds, high flow cat and magnaflow catback.

[98tadriver]

trap them inside of the building, then set it on fire. and then watch them all writhe in pain. then open up the building and put their fires out with an icepick

[njfastestcamaro]

get the c.o num from slp that say it a 50 state legal exust system and they have to pass you and when ur done tell them to go ******* die

[Predator86]

Me too. I didn't pass until the fifth try, and that was with stock log manifolds, high flow cat and magnaflow catback.


what?! thats so retarted...whats wrong with those dinosaurs

[jims69camaro]

Send to me as well please. If I can get the SLP docs and that I'll take it back and say "Ha, you suck, pass me now." :)

federal guidelines:
(1) Any such vehicle manufactured before
January 1, 1973 ........................................... 92 dBA
(2) Any such vehicle manufactured on or after
January 1, 1973, and before January 1, 1975 ..... 88 dBA
(3) Any such vehicle manufactured on or after
January 1, 1975, and before January 1, 1986 ..... 86 dBA
(4) Any such vehicle manufactured on or after
January 1, 1986 ............................................ 82 dBA

current NJ law:
N.J. Stat. @ 39:3-70 (2002)

@ 39:3-70. [Mufflers]

Every motor vehicle having a combustion motor shall at all times be equipped
with a [muffler] in good working order and in constant operation to prevent
[excessive or unusual noise and] annoying smoke, AND NO PERSON SHALL MODIFY THE EXHAUST SYSTEM OF A MOTOR VEHICLE IN A MANNER SO THAT THE EXHAUST SYSTEM EMITS IN EXCESS OF NINETY-FIVE DECIBELS AS MEASURED BY THE SOCIETY OF AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERS (SAE) STANDARD J1169 ( May 1998 ). IT SHALL NOT BE A VIOLATION OF THIS SUBSECTION UNLESS PROVEN BY PROPER AUTHORITIES THAT THE EXHAUST SYTEM MODIFICATION RESULTS IN NOISE AMPLIFICATION IN EXCESS OF NINETY-FIVE DECIBELS UNDER THE PRESCRIBED SAE TEST STANDARD.

A COURT MAY DISMISS ANY ACTION FOR WHICH A PERSON IS PROSECUTED FOR OPERATING A VEHICLE IN VIOLATION OF THIS SUBSECTION IF IT IS FOUND THAT THE DEFENDANT HAD REASONABLE GROUNDS TO BELIEVE THAT THE VEHICLE WAS NOT OPERATED IN VIOLATION OF THIS SUBSECTION.

[and] n No person shall use a [muffler] cut-out, bypass or similar device upon a motor vehicle on a highway.

alrighty, then. take this with you to the inspection station and request the test.

[98tadriver]

lol i wonder how many db my exhaust is. My neighbor said she almost had heart failure when i started my car up the other day...

[PolarBear]

federal guidelines:
(1) Any such vehicle manufactured before
January 1, 1973 ........................................... 92 dBA
(2) Any such vehicle manufactured on or after
January 1, 1973, and before January 1, 1975 ..... 88 dBA
(3) Any such vehicle manufactured on or after
January 1, 1975, and before January 1, 1986 ..... 86 dBA
(4) Any such vehicle manufactured on or after
January 1, 1986 ............................................ 82 dBA

current NJ law:
N.J. Stat. @ 39:3-70 (2002)

@ 39:3-70. [Mufflers]

Every motor vehicle having a combustion motor shall at all times be equipped
with a [muffler] in good working order and in constant operation to prevent
[excessive or unusual noise and] annoying smoke, AND NO PERSON SHALL MODIFY THE EXHAUST SYSTEM OF A MOTOR VEHICLE IN A MANNER SO THAT THE EXHAUST SYSTEM EMITS IN EXCESS OF NINETY-FIVE DECIBELS AS MEASURED BY THE SOCIETY OF AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERS (SAE) STANDARD J1169 ( May 1998 ). IT SHALL NOT BE A VIOLATION OF THIS SUBSECTION UNLESS PROVEN BY PROPER AUTHORITIES THAT THE EXHAUST SYTEM MODIFICATION RESULTS IN NOISE AMPLIFICATION IN EXCESS OF NINETY-FIVE DECIBELS UNDER THE PRESCRIBED SAE TEST STANDARD.

A COURT MAY DISMISS ANY ACTION FOR WHICH A PERSON IS PROSECUTED FOR OPERATING A VEHICLE IN VIOLATION OF THIS SUBSECTION IF IT IS FOUND THAT THE DEFENDANT HAD REASONABLE GROUNDS TO BELIEVE THAT THE VEHICLE WAS NOT OPERATED IN VIOLATION OF THIS SUBSECTION.

[and] n No person shall use a [muffler] cut-out, bypass or similar device upon a motor vehicle on a highway.

alrighty, then. take this with you to the inspection station and request the test.

Very cool that you found this but I dont think printing it out on regular papaer will cut it at the inspection. At least the statute numbers are staed and you can force them to get a copy AND make them actually measure using the correct methods. Great find man! :cool: Where do you find all this?

[slasherbarb]

the same exact thing happened to me...in my BERETTA! i even knew the guy that failed me...he say the chrome tip from the flowmaster exhaust and he said that it was modified and therefore illegal...went to my mechanic with the story and he almost died laughing...

[jims69camaro]

Great find man! :cool: Where do you find all this?

i could tell you, but then i'd have to kill you. :google:

[transamkid]

havent got bothered about my exhaust yet, but according to the law, i can go up to 86db. i have hedman longtubes with a hedman x-pipe with dynomax mufflers going into dumps

[jims69camaro]

havent got bothered about my exhaust yet, but according to the law, i can go up to 86db. i have hedman longtubes with a hedman x-pipe with dynomax mufflers going into dumps

now, remember, , those are the federal guidelines, which no one really pays attention to because they all think they have the magic number. in NJ it's 95, regardless of the car. and they have to prove it with an SAE test in order to fail you. it's not this subjective 'ear of the inspector' anymore.

as for not accepting a printout from the internet, that's why i included the statute numbers. what do they want, a copy from a lawbook? tell them to take their *** down to the law library, then. there's an extensive one in echelon, right by the mall. :mrgreen:

[BonzoHansen]

havent got bothered about my exhaust yet, but according to the law, i can go up to 86db. i have hedman longtubes with a hedman x-pipe with dynomax mufflers going into dumps

If you have to go through inspection, dumps will fail you.

[transamkid]

i thought it was as long as they were like a ft. from the nearest window that opens, which just means a foot behind the doors. and mine are afak. and i have a few places to go to inspection, besides the dmv :lol:

[jims69camaro]

i have a few places to go to inspection, besides the dmv

it's a shame that it's come to this, but if you have a modified car then you're best bet is to take it to your uncle's sister's best friend's father's cousin in order to get it passed. as long as they aren't passing cars that are unsafe or grossly spewing fumes into the atmosphere, then i have to say that i agree with it. :shrug:

it's either that or never, ever modify your car. or, modify it, but then you can't drive it on the street. that little inspection sticker on the windshield means so much to the cops around here that i wouldn't even think about driving without one. they actually set up in a small town close to me, on the state highway (route 9) and check your sticker as you roll by (much slower than the speed limit, natch). all in the name of revenue generation.

[ar0ck]

They have a "Inspection Sticker Task Force" in my area. They've been trying to crack down on illegal stickers in the past couple years because thats what everyone is doing these days!

[transamkid]

i think im just going to go for historic or go for the collector vehicle thing, anyone know how to do it?

[ins0mnia24]

federal guidelines:
(1) Any such vehicle manufactured before
January 1, 1973 ........................................... 92 dBA
(2) Any such vehicle manufactured on or after
January 1, 1973, and before January 1, 1975 ..... 88 dBA
(3) Any such vehicle manufactured on or after
January 1, 1975, and before January 1, 1986 ..... 86 dBA
(4) Any such vehicle manufactured on or after
January 1, 1986 ............................................ 82 dBA

current NJ law:
N.J. Stat. @ 39:3-70 (2002)

@ 39:3-70. [Mufflers]

Every motor vehicle having a combustion motor shall at all times be equipped
with a [muffler] in good working order and in constant operation to prevent
[excessive or unusual noise and] annoying smoke, AND NO PERSON SHALL MODIFY THE EXHAUST SYSTEM OF A MOTOR VEHICLE IN A MANNER SO THAT THE EXHAUST SYSTEM EMITS IN EXCESS OF NINETY-FIVE DECIBELS AS MEASURED BY THE SOCIETY OF AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERS (SAE) STANDARD J1169 ( May 1998 ). IT SHALL NOT BE A VIOLATION OF THIS SUBSECTION UNLESS PROVEN BY PROPER AUTHORITIES THAT THE EXHAUST SYTEM MODIFICATION RESULTS IN NOISE AMPLIFICATION IN EXCESS OF NINETY-FIVE DECIBELS UNDER THE PRESCRIBED SAE TEST STANDARD.

A COURT MAY DISMISS ANY ACTION FOR WHICH A PERSON IS PROSECUTED FOR OPERATING A VEHICLE IN VIOLATION OF THIS SUBSECTION IF IT IS FOUND THAT THE DEFENDANT HAD REASONABLE GROUNDS TO BELIEVE THAT THE VEHICLE WAS NOT OPERATED IN VIOLATION OF THIS SUBSECTION.

[and] n No person shall use a [muffler] cut-out, bypass or similar device upon a motor vehicle on a highway.

alrighty, then. take this with you to the inspection station and request the test.



Been there and done that last May as I tried to explain to Demonicbird last month on here..
If the inspection station doesnt have a d.b. meter they can not fail you because they have no proof or evidence of your exhaust d.b. level..
My car has a cam/heads QTP headers and Loudmouth 1 and they failed me..
I printed that out and after 2 minutes of debate with the inspection station manager they passed me through with a sticker because the station didnt even have a d.b. meter...

[jims69camaro]

I printed that out and after 2 minutes of debate with the inspection station manager they passed me through with a sticker because the station didnt even have a d.b. meter...

YEAH!!!

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

local shops are always better....whether they're good ol boys or not

[PolarBear]

I printed that out and after 2 minutes of debate with the inspection station manager they passed me through with a sticker because the station didnt even have a d.b. meter...

Sweet! Score one for us! Thanks for those listings!