Worst LeMans ever.

[SpeedMetalT/A]

http://www.fquick.com/garages/Pontiac/Le_Mans/1972/10586/

This LeMans is pretty much worthless now.This guy swapped in a supra motor , I guess he watched tokyo drift one too many times and thought it was a good idea.

[bad64chevelle]

:banghead: WHY?

[Knipps]

let :hitfan: begin


oh god...
http://www.chromjuwelen.com/index.php?lang=en
:helmet:

[Knipps]

i'm not sure how i feel about this one
http://www.engineswapdepot.com/?p=73

:willy:

[BonzoHansen]

:barf:

[mtnhopper1]

:barf:

+1 :confused:

[SpeedMetalT/A]

This is horrible , When I found that LeMans I didn't realize that there's an actual magazine for this.

[GP99GT]

you guys have never seen the 2jz swapped chevelle either? welcome to the internet

same thing as putting a chevy 350 in an old datsun or something...get over it

[Predator86]

thats gross....but people do this often....i know plenty of guys that put chevy motors into there mustangs for the track....but clearly thats an upgrade

[NJSPEEDER]

you guys have never seen the 2jz swapped chevelle either? welcome to the internet

same thing as putting a chevy 350 in an old datsun or something...get over it

amen.

i am not a fan of these engines (based solely on them sounding like trash) but i have to admire the work that people put into getting it done and doing it right.
face it, motor swaps happen to everything, it isn't a new idea because of the LSx motors. most of the jap motors weigh less, can sit further back, sit lower in the cradle, and can still be built to provide good power.

[jims69camaro]

amen.

i am not a fan of these engines (based solely on them sounding like trash) but i have to admire the work that people put into getting it done and doing it right.
face it, motor swaps happen to everything, it isn't a new idea because of the LSx motors. most of the jap motors weigh less, can sit further back, sit lower in the cradle, and can still be built to provide good power.

but we're talking about a motor that had trouble moving the car it came from... how's it going to perform in a car that weighs 1000 lbs more? i dunno, i guess it makes sense to some people, but if i was going to go through the trouble of an engine swap, i'd at least make it an upgrade.

http://www.fquick.com/videos/viewvideo.php?id=3351

[Predator86]

but we're talking about a motor that had trouble moving the car it came from... how's it going to perform in a car that weighs 1000 lbs more? i dunno, i guess it makes sense to some people, but if i was going to go through the trouble of an engine swap, i'd at least make it an upgrade.

http://www.fquick.com/videos/viewvideo.php?id=3351

second

[chevyt454]

Someone was just bored IMO

[Fast92RS]

:cry: :moon:

[NJSPEEDER]

all the video you postd shows is the car driving around. what does that prove? only thing it looks like to me is that he got the thing working properly in the classic car.
as far as barely getting out of it's own way, you seem to forget that most of the classic american muscle that seems to getting blindly followed so often were 15+ second cars in stock trim, just like an old stock supra. add a bunch of mods and magically fast happens, jsut like with an old supra. i am having trouble seeing the difference here.
american engines are not now and never were the only motor swaps going on. get used to it, it is getting more and more common.

[Predator86]

all the video you postd shows is the car driving around. what does that prove? only thing it looks like to me is that he got the thing working properly in the classic car.
as far as barely getting out of it's own way, you seem to forget that most of the classic american muscle that seems to getting blindly followed so often were 15+ second cars in stock trim, just like an old stock supra. add a bunch of mods and magically fast happens, jsut like with an old supra. i am having trouble seeing the difference here.
american engines are not now and never were the only motor swaps going on. get used to it, it is getting more and more common.

engine performance aside i dont think any car should have an overseas engine dropped into it period IMO although i can give credit where its due...and most muscle cars pre-power sucking emission laws were running pretty decent numbers...theyre only time loss came from hardly gripping suspension and driveline......stiffen the suspension and get some beefy tires and walla..(in most cases)

[NJSPEEDER]

do you think it is acceptable to put an american power plant into a foreign car? same difference from my perspective.
besides, it is hard to beat the bang for the buck or power to weight ratio of a SBF in a miata.

[Predator86]

do you think it is acceptable to put an american power plant into a foreign car? same difference from my perspective.
besides, it is hard to beat the bang for the buck or power to weight ratio of a SBF in a miata.

IMO no...dont get me wrong its a definate improvement but still it just dosent sit well with me...besides u can get the around the same type of power to weight ratio by using a solstice or any other small american cars. Just look at the Mallet solstices. I also find it funny how ford guys talk all this crap about GM yet ive talked to several ford racers who drop chevy motors in there stangs and rangers etc.

[SpeedMetalT/A]

If this guy wanted a 6 cylinder to just be unique I think he should have built a sprint 6 with a turbo and at least keep it pontiac.

[GP99GT]

IF IT ISNT AMERICAN IT SUCKS! AMERICAN CARS 4 LIFE ALL IMPORTS SUCK OMFG LOLZBBQ

[1972LT1]

do you think it is acceptable to put an american power plant into a foreign car? same difference from my perspective.
besides, it is hard to beat the bang for the buck or power to weight ratio of a SBF in a miata.

TIMMAY......an American motor in a foreign car?! thats the only way an import will run for *****........sbf in a Miata? surrender your man card....an LS1 in a Solstice or Sky......you know an LT1 would be better than a SBF.

[GP99GT]

TIMMAY......an American motor in a foreign car?! thats the only way an import will run for *****........sbf in a Miata? surrender your man card....an LS1 in a Solstice or Sky......you know an LT1 would be better than a SBF.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ABTRXWcttLc

all imports are slow unless they have an american motor eh

[Knipps]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ABTRXWcttLc

all imports are slow unless they have an american motor eh

no fart can, no body kit, no stickers
it's fine with me

[jims69camaro]

all the video you postd shows is the car driving around. what does that prove? only thing it looks like to me is that he got the thing working properly in the classic car.
as far as barely getting out of it's own way, you seem to forget that most of the classic american muscle that seems to getting blindly followed so often were 15+ second cars in stock trim, just like an old stock supra. add a bunch of mods and magically fast happens, jsut like with an old supra. i am having trouble seeing the difference here.
american engines are not now and never were the only motor swaps going on. get used to it, it is getting more and more common.

you've got a definite chip on your shoulder. i didn't post the video to prove anything.

as far as the older cars being slow from the factory, this is true. you've still yet to counter my argument of swapping an engine as an UPGRADE. why go through all of the trouble to swap motors for the same timeslip? mod the new motor? mod the old motor - same difference.

obviously american motors are not the be-all-end-all, otherwise that's all that anyone would think to put in their car. sure, he gets points for daring-to-be-different, but that's all he's got. outside of that, the swap is silly, imo.

[NJSPEEDER]

mod the new or mod the old is my point actually. what does it matter what is between the frame rails as long as it makes the power you want?
i would consider dropping 100+lbs off the nose of a car, having a more efficient fuel injected engine, and having completed a rather unique swap a very nice upgrade over stock. the added advantage of boost, especially with an adjustable regulator, is a double bonus since additional power can be added or subtracted on demand.

[Predator86]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ABTRXWcttLc

all imports are slow unless they have an american motor eh

those twin turbo supras are pretty bad ace....a kid in my welding class a single turbo one and its pretty decent.....its not saying that much because those inline 6 engines are almost comparable to V8s....now show me a n/a supra or and other import run those type of numbers and then i'll be impressed....meanwhile ive seen plenty of sbc and bbc powered cars run just as fast without and boost adders

[NJSPEEDER]

go to a NOPI show and watch the N/A classes or go to an air cooled VW show. there are plenty of imports out there that move without power adders.
if you wanted to be fair to the import side of the argument i would have to say, show me what a SBC can do with 2.0-2.4 liters of displacement instead of 5.7.
my point is just that the argument works both ways.

[Predator86]

not sayng its not being done but its still more common with the american v8s...and the if an sbc had a 2.0 displacement then it wouldnt be an sbc, just cause our engines are typically bigger dosent dosent mean were not as good at engineering a sufficient engine

and tho i will probably never buy an import i can still give them their credit when they deserve it.....i can see things from all type of spectrums

[jims69camaro]

SBC can do with 2.0-2.4 liters of displacement instead of 5.7.

they don't make small blocks with those displacement numbers anymore. try ECOTEC. very comparable, if not better, and it's made here in the united st... oh, yeah, i forgot, you don't want to hear that anymore.

[GP99GT]

they don't make small blocks with those displacement numbers anymore. try ECOTEC. very comparable, if not better, and it's made here in the united st... oh, yeah, i forgot, you don't want to hear that anymore.

ok so lets see an ecotec run 8's without a power adder...it doesnt happen. smaller motors require power adders, thats just how it is, REGARDLESS OF COUNTRY OF ORIGIN. get that through your head

[nj96z28]

i dont even know where to begin , ******* puts ricer motor in lead sled=jackassedness

[nj96z28]

i'm not sure how i feel about this one
http://www.engineswapdepot.com/?p=73

:willy:

at least its an american motor, albeit a travesty

[WildBillyT]

ok so lets see an ecotec run 8's without a power adder...it doesnt happen. smaller motors require power adders, thats just how it is, REGARDLESS OF COUNTRY OF ORIGIN. get that through your head

I would be willing to bet that it will NEVER happen- because you need a certain amount of combustible mixture to make the required power. A 2.0-ish liter engine doesn't have the capacity to do it unless you force extra in- hence the FI.

But the ECOTEC engines are very nice. The drag version makes 1,100 horsepower and revs to 10,500 rpm.

[qwikz28]

But the ECOTEC engines are very nice. The drag version makes 1,100 horsepower and revs to 10,500 rpm.

really? where can i get details on that? that sounds pretty cool

[Mike]

jake look for the pro cobalts and sunfires.....they all have built ecotecs

another common swap (untill it got banned by many sanctioning bodies) was matting a ecotec with a honda k-series trans......very fast and strong setup

[Mike]

btw, everyone crying about other peoples cars........


THEY OWN THEM, THEY BUILT THEM, AND THEY DONT GIVE A **** WHAT YOU THINK. YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A FOOL FOR CRYING ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO THEIR CARS.

[WildBillyT]

really? where can i get details on that? that sounds pretty cool

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Motorsports_and_Racing/GM_Prods_Ecotec_to_1000_HP.S247.A5482.html

[SpeedMetalT/A]

I started this thread because I like pontiacs that are still pontiac powered.I wouldnt consider putting a sbc in a pontiac either.I wasn't saying that you couldn't get power out of the supra motor either.You can really make anything fast with enough work.

[WildBillyT]

I wouldnt consider putting a sbc in a pontiac either.

Not trying to bust balls, but you do know that after 2nd gens Pontiacs got Chevy and Buick motors, right?:shock:

[SpeedMetalT/A]

Not trying to bust balls, but you do know that after 2nd gens Pontiacs got Chevy and Buick motors, right?:shock:

Yeah I know that they did use those motors as options and even the anniversary cars from 79 could be bought with a 403 olds , but I'm referring more to the cars that came with the 400 or 455 and people ripped them out to put a 350 chevy in them , or GTO's that had there pontiac motors replaced with a chevy motor.

[mtnhopper1]

People have been swapping motors since the beginning of time. Think of all of the '32 fords that were running around in the 50s with hemis or Buick nailheads between the rails. I don't really have a problem with putting a Supra motor into a Tempest.

Its kinda cool that the guy got it to work. I'd be surprised if it had enough torque to get out of its own way, but the thing probably handles a bit better without that Pontiac boat anchor planted over the front wheels; closer to 50/50.

... but a small block Ford in a first gen Camaro?!?!

That's just sick... perverted and sick.

[jims69camaro]

btw, everyone crying about other peoples cars........


THEY OWN THEM, THEY BUILT THEM, AND THEY DONT GIVE A **** WHAT YOU THINK. YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK LIKE A FOOL FOR CRYING ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE DONE TO THEIR CARS.

so i am a fool. i've been called worse. i have my opinions and when the opportunity comes up to throw one out there, i usually never hold back. however, i will curb my opinion on this further, since some people have taken it so personally and respect went out the window. this argument is lost on most people anyway. they either don't care or don't know the facts (or want to know them).

one thing people should get through their heads, in general, is that people's opinions are usually rooted in strong emotion. no amount of brow-beating, chest-thumping or other inane antics will change someone's opinion to match yours. usually it takes time, facts and a civil conversation; you'll find none of that here. typically when an argument turns to name calling it's time for me to find the exit, anyway. :cheers: