DOZENS OF PEOPLE OWNED IN STREET RACING BUST IN SOUTH JERZY

[98tadriver]

http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007710010350

And this is why im trying to get out of the street racing scene; especially out there, where i went almost every weekend and raced.

[NJSPEEDER]

haha

[98tadriver]

i knew that was going to happen one day

[NJSPEEDER]

i don't know which is actually worse, that 30 cops managed to "sneak" up on 60+ people or how poorly that article is written.

[ins0mnia24]

Yeah I read an article about that in the Atlantic city press today

[GrandmasterCow]

hah ddaammnn

[Jersey_TA]

The only thing organized that I participate in happens back home once a year and it's always on a different day. Other than that I keep my racing on the track.......unless I have permission:mrgreen: :wink:

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

The occasional punch on the hwy w/ a buddy on the way to the track is cool...but street racing is just dumb.

[Pampered-Z]

Few years back there was a bust up north and those watching were fined with something to the effect ( sorry, don't remember the actual wording ) conspiring to break the law. What ever it actually was resulted in felony offences and they all needed lawyers to get the charges reduced. They ended up with paying the lawyer in the $500 range and a $300 fine.

Now I'm against street racing, mostly because of the fast~n~furious racing thru traffic and in populated areas, but a felony offence for watching is a bit ridiculous!

[WildBillyT]

Few years back there was a bust up north and those watching were fined with something to the effect ( sorry, don't remember the actual wording ) conspiring to break the law. What ever it actually was resulted in felony offences and they all needed lawyers to get the charges reduced. They ended up with paying the lawyer in the $500 range and a $300 fine.

Now I'm against street racing, mostly because of the fast~n~furious racing thru traffic and in populated areas, but a felony offence for watching is a bit ridiculous!

That might have been the Avenue P bust up in Newark. Mostly ricers if I remember correctly.

[NightRydaSS]

watching??? r u serious? that is bs. Since when is it illegal to "assemble" to watch something. Don't give me that other bs about watching something illegal is therefore encouraging it. You could say the samething about watching pro sports when you kno ppl (either yourself or ppl around you) ILLEGALLY bet on it. if you watch pro sports you "encourage" it. It is the same thing as what happens at Fuds; does that mean the ppl who watch those idiots do burnouts should be ticketed and arrested too? Burnouts in any place other then private properity (you own) or at a track is "illegal".

You shouldn't race on the street. Other then me hitting a light now and then that is about as far as i go. But to bust the ppl who watch is bs and f'in stupid (but not as stupid as the ppl who are aware of this and drive their car to the race to watch it rather then parking a couple blocks away and walking so you can run if you have to)

[SteveR]

watching??? r u serious? that is bs. Since when is it illegal to "assemble" to watch something.

I think technically if there are more than 12 ppl, you need a permit to assemble in public. They used to pull that in NY a lot when I was growing up.

[Raist103]

i had plans to make it down there that night with some friends glad i got lazy

[baddest434]

sorry man street racing is a stupid act. but watching it c'mon wheres the crime in that?

[j0n]

sorry man street racing is a stupid act. but watching it c'mon wheres the crime in that?

x2.

[Dark_Knight7096]

U think that's bull ish? Technically if ur a passenger in a car and the driver decides to get in a street race you could be ticketed.

I think they do it because a lot of people street race for the "glory" of it or to be known for it. If you can cut out the spectators then you could reduce the amount of racing that goes on. Logic is ok, but the punishment is not, I mean its not like you were watching a murder or anything.

[98tadriver]

Granted, street racing isnt legal, and it has its dangers and what not. But who HASNT street raced in their time? All i can say is that This place was in a really good spot. There were no intersections, no other roads that went to it. no traffic except the people who were racing down it. Ive been out there quite a bit in the past, and ive always had a bad feeling out there. I'd get a few runs in, and get out. The problem with that road was this- one way in one way out. (unless you were brave enough to take it thru the trails out there..) Its funny how soooo many people egged me on to go out there, and i said "what about cops?" theyd say "nah man cops never come out here" lol. at least one of my friends was out there watching, not racing and he got popped..

[jims69camaro]

i don't know whether to laugh or cry...

[Dark_Knight7096]

I just don't understand it, all people want to do is whine and moan about how they don't want a track in their area, but at the same time they don't want people street racing, and they don't see the error in their logic. You either have the noise and you have it safely from noon till 9 or 10 pm, OR, you still have the noise, very dangerously and much later at night. These people are idiots, they are causing their own problems.

[Demonicbird00]

i just googled, and found the road. holy crap, thats in the middle of nowhere. if it wasnt for the undercovers, no one else woulda known about it. w/ all the woods, i could even run my car there and not be herd lol

-brandon

[chevyt454]

The courtroom was crowded Monday

[WildBillyT]

I just don't understand it, all people want to do is whine and moan about how they don't want a track in their area, but at the same time they don't want people street racing, and they don't see the error in their logic. You either have the noise and you have it safely from noon till 9 or 10 pm, OR, you still have the noise, very dangerously and much later at night. These people are idiots, they are causing their own problems.

Easy. They don't want you to race (or modify, for that matter) your car at all.

[Tru2Chevy]

I think that people in NJ shouldn't complain much.....almost everyone in the state has a track within an hour of their home (hour and a half tops), and the only day of the week that none of the three tracks are open is Monday.

We have it way better off than many other states.

- Justin

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

With the small town I live in, nobody's retarded enough to go too fast or do anything because we're 20 min. from Island, and since no crime happens cops just hang around and catch speeders/drunks. One kid said he went 157 in his supra but no road in my town is straight/long enough to get up to that speed and not kill yourself.

on a completely unrelated note....how do u get the fquick thing on the left?

[12secondv6]

:shock:

[Tru2Chevy]

on a completely unrelated note....how do u get the fquick thing on the left?

If you have an FQuick account, click on the UserCP link at the top of every page on the forum, then click on "Edit Profile" on the left side. Scroll down to the bottom of the page, and the last option there is for FQuick. Enter just your FQuick username, then hit the "Save Changes" button.

- Justin

[/hijack]

[baddest434]

http://www.courierpostonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007710010350

And this is why im trying to get out of the street racing scene; especially out there, where i went almost every weekend and raced.


smart thinking man. it just ain't worth it. i'm not saying that i never did it, i did, almost every w/e on 37 till i raced 2 mustangs on night and we were way out in manchester because "theres never cops there" well there was. and all 3 off us were in excess of 100 mph when we flew past him. he pulled out i just slowed down i wasn't going to run from him. i'd take it like a man if i got caught. he flew along side of me and dove in front of me and went after one of the mustangs that tried to take a jughandle to lose him. once he turned i kept going straight. straight home !!! and locked the car in the garage. my adrenaline was flying. i figured he radioed in my plate # and i'd get some tickets in the mail. well i said "if i get away with this i'll never race on the streets again" and i got away with it........end of story and street racing for me.
lose of license=lose of job for me!

[Dark_Knight7096]

I think that people in NJ shouldn't complain much.....almost everyone in the state has a track within an hour of their home (hour and a half tops), and the only day of the week that none of the three tracks are open is Monday.

We have it way better off than many other states.

- Justin

What I am upset about is people's mentality. Granted street racing is illegal but they found a pretty "safe" place to do it at. Its not like they were racing down main street, the found a road out in the middle of nowhere to have fun on and people still have to go out of their way to hastle them.

A lot of the people who moved in near englishtown KNOWING there was a racetrack there complain about it and would love nothing more than to shut it down, but they moan and cry if u go faster than three miles an hour on their road.

You can't have it both ways, you either give people a place to do it at or they will find a place. What happens now if someone wants to street race? They won't go to that "safe" place in the woods, they may try it on a normal street and injure someone badly and at that point who's to blame? Granted the street racer for making the decision to race, but who influenced their decision where to run?

[98tadriver]

i just googled, and found the road. holy crap, thats in the middle of nowhere. if it wasnt for the undercovers, no one else woulda known about it. w/ all the woods, i could even run my car there and not be herd lol

-brandon


that could very well be!

[Raist103]

street racing is not a bad thing most of time, when ricers are not around it is a better deal. when we do it, it is on a back road with no houses in the way or close and the only way someone is getting hurt is if something happens and you end up in the woods "we know that and take that chance, you can hit the wall at the track and get just as hurt". now when you go racing on the street and go in and out of traffic you are a *** and are asking for trouble. problem with the tracks is there is no night only cars can run every "street" night has some type of gamblers race bracket race or something and you are lucky to get 2-4 runs in. if the tracks had a STREET night only and lowered the prices they would get a crap load of people and money and keep many kids off the street.

[98tadriver]

street racing is not a bad thing most of time, when ricers are not around it is a better deal. when we do it, it is on a back road with no houses in the way or close and the only way someone is getting hurt is if something happens and you end up in the woods "we know that and take that chance, you can hit the wall at the track and get just as hurt". now when you go racing on the street and go in and out of traffic you are a *** and are asking for trouble. problem with the tracks is there is no night only cars can run every "street" night has some type of gamblers race bracket race or something and you are lucky to get 2-4 runs in. if the tracks had a STREET night only and lowered the prices they would get a crap load of people and money and keep many kids off the street.


:werd: Like justin said, the tracks might be an hour and a half away at the most, but allll that driving for 2 runs? and 15.00 to run... sux. the last 4 times ive been to the track either ive gotten only 2 runs in from 530-10pm that sux sooo bad. atco is 1 hour from me

[Squirrel]

i love going to the track...but i love street racing too

[JerzLT1]

6 of the people that got busted work with me a Bestbuy... all ricers... i couldnt help but laugh :lol:

[Savage_Messiah]

street racing is not a bad thing most of time, when ricers are not around it is a better deal. when we do it, it is on a back road with no houses in the way or close and the only way someone is getting hurt is if something happens and you end up in the woods "we know that and take that chance, you can hit the wall at the track and get just as hurt". now when you go racing on the street and go in and out of traffic you are a *** and are asking for trouble. problem with the tracks is there is no night only cars can run every "street" night has some type of gamblers race bracket race or something and you are lucky to get 2-4 runs in. if the tracks had a STREET night only and lowered the prices they would get a crap load of people and money and keep many kids off the street.

Lower prices? Atco is what $13 bucks?

A deer won't run onto the middle of the track...

[Squirrel]

Lower prices? Atco is what $13 bucks?

A deer won't run onto the middle of the track...

ive seen deer on the track at atco...

[Savage_Messiah]

f'in south jersey :lol:

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Island is the best for max. amount of runs IMO. Not uncommon to get 10+ runs as long as you're there before like 730.
Hell at the BBQ I got in like 6 runs in 1.5 hrs then I just called it quits.

[j0n]

Island is the best for max. amount of runs IMO. Not uncommon to get 10+ runs as long as you're there before like 730.
Hell at the BBQ I got in like 6 runs in 1.5 hrs then I just called it quits.

But not everyone lives 10min away from island

[NJSPEEDER]

street racing is not a bad thing most of time.

racing and excessive speed kill thousands of of young people(16-25 year olds) each year. there are 3 tracks in this state and the only night none of them are open is monday when hardly anyone goes out anyway.
get used to the crack downs on street racing. the police have been inside the scene for a while now, they know who the players are, and they intend to stop as much of it as possible.
besides, which is worse, spending a tank fo gas and $20 to run and actually get proof of how fast your ride is, or spending the night in jail+having your car impounded+losing your license+paying fines and court fees+having your insurance drop you in half a heartbeat. seems like it is cheaper and easier to jsut hit up a track.

[BonzoHansen]

But not everyone lives 10min away from island

What if you race there? Does that cut the time down? LOL

[Raist103]

racing and excessive speed kill thousands of of young people(16-25 year olds) each year. there are 3 tracks in this state and the only night none of them are open is monday when hardly anyone goes out anyway.
get used to the crack downs on street racing. the police have been inside the scene for a while now, they know who the players are, and they intend to stop as much of it as possible.
besides, which is worse, spending a tank fo gas and $20 to run and actually get proof of how fast your ride is, or spending the night in jail+having your car impounded+losing your license+paying fines and court fees+having your insurance drop you in half a heartbeat. seems like it is cheaper and easier to jsut hit up a track.

i dont agree and cops have better things to do then stop people from doing some 1/4 runs on the street. i have a known drug dealer 3 doors down and he just keeps getting away with it. hell they put a sign in front of his house that says drugfree zone or some such thing and still every day and night while kids are running around out front and in the park out back and they do nothing about it. they should worry about people doing worst things then a 100mph on a back road in the middle of no where. now if they stop some one for racing in and out of traffic and take his car i say more power to them, that is not safe hell i would call it in. and those are the idiots that are causing the problems and killing people not the guys going in the woods with one road in and out with the entrance blocked off so no one can get in and get hurt.

[NJSPEEDER]

you don't agree with which part? that excessive speed and racing related accidents kill people or that the cops shoudl be busting people breaking the law?
you do realize that the cops, by stopping street races, are in fact doing their jobs. traffic laws may in large part be open to some latitude when enforced, the basic speed limit, tint, and front plates are good common examples that we can all relate too. i can certainly relate to going 70 in a 65 along with traffic.
it is a bit different when someone is doing double to triple the speed limit on a public road that wasn't designed for it. add in pedestrians, cross streets, the crown of the road, and the total lack of on hand safety equipment or personel and you are jsut asking to die or watch someone die.
the only thing i can say about your neighbor the drug dealer, is at least 99% of the potential hazard he causes is only to his customers. so unless you are an addict, you are not likely to have any problems.
street racers on the other hand put anyone and everyone who goes out on a public road at risk. i can't imagine that you don't agree that someone else risking your life sounds much worse than someone putting themselves at risk with their own retarded addiction.

[Raist103]

i dont agree street racing kills, i agree asses driving on major roads, normal street and parking lots are what kill and hurt people. i have seen organized street races without nothing more then good times. in 15 years i have never once seen one person hurt. i think cops should be looking for kids driving like morons on normal roads in the afternoon not guys in the middle of the woods 2am with no one else around and the only people who could get hurt are the guys doing it and they know that is a risk when they do it, same if they go to the track it is a risk you take why do you think you have a 2 page "sign here" form. and to say the only people that could get hurt by a drug dealer is the people using is the ridiculous. what if a guy that is high comes by hits a kid, fights could break out guns can be pulled all around a park and at a house that has 3 kids themselves. believe me my brother is a cop and i want him doing his job and not wasting time and tax dollars looking for guys having fun hanging out and that may have a 1/4 run or two in the woods away from others.

[NJSPEEDER]

i watched 3 people die one night in philly. tell me again street racing doesn't kill.
there is a time and reason many people leave the streets for the track. hopefully you will figure it out before you are the statistic.
want some of teh good ones you can be a part of?
you are 7 times more likely to crash racing on the street than on a track
you are 26 times more likely to suffer serious or fatal injuries
medical assistance at an average race track in this country is on the vehicle in under 1 minute, on the average street in this country help is over 7 minutes away. crash at excessive speeds and you will learn very quickly what 6 minutes is worth

yup, doesn't hurt a soul does it?

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

But not everyone lives 10min away from island

Tell them to move ;)

[NJSPEEDER]

living in new jersey, you are no more than an hour from some track. yes, it may be a bit more if traffic is bad.
from here in trenton i can get to atco or etown in 45-60 mins, island in a bit over an hour usualy, maple grove in under 1.5 hours, and cecil county is prolly around 1.5 hours depending on how 95 is around the philly airport too. that is 5 tracks in about the same distance i drove to the south meet last saturday!!!!
any of these tracks i will get a minimum of 3 runs, many nights you can get 10+ at several of them. run once, pull right back in the lanes. wanna race someone specific, they will help get you together. wanna gamble on it, no authority figure will give a hoot.
compare that to going out street racing. drive 30 mins to the closest, good, active meeting spot. sit around for an hour + while people trash talk each other and argue about stips then go to another spot, 15 more minutes of driving, and after all that you don't always get a race and the hyped up race doesn't happen half the time.
and even if you do get a run in, you still don't actually have proof of how fast/slow your car is and people argue about who won and where the line is constantly.

[Dark_Knight7096]

i watched 3 people die one night in philly. tell me again street racing doesn't kill.
there is a time and reason many people leave the streets for the track. hopefully you will figure it out before you are the statistic.
want some of teh good ones you can be a part of?
you are 7 times more likely to crash racing on the street than on a track
you are 26 times more likely to suffer serious or fatal injuries
medical assistance at an average race track in this country is on the vehicle in under 1 minute, on the average street in this country help is over 7 minutes away. crash at excessive speeds and you will learn very quickly what 6 minutes is worth

yup, doesn't hurt a soul does it?

I think his point is street racing if not done without COMPLETE disregard for public saftey is not that dangerous. Those statistics are probably compiled from people street racing in general and most of those statistics come from people doing it on crowded streets. Let's use another example, firing ranges. You go to a firing range and you shoot in a safe organized environment (track situation). So long as you aren't a complete idiot everyone should be safe and you are not putting yourself or anyone else in danger. Say you walk out into the middle of your local city on a long straight street and you start shooting at a target 150yds out. This is not at a range and it is highly dangerous because the area is not controlled and you are posing a great danger to others (street racing on a public street). The sheer fact of your shooting in that type of situation is causing a danger that you can't control. Now say you go out into a desert where nobody is around, you don't have 100% control over the environment but for all intents and purposes you know you can control it. Now you are not at a range, and it is not "organized" or set up into lanes perse, but it is relatively safe and you are not creating a danger for those around you becaues you are taking reasonable precautions to ensure you are safe (street racing like was busted in s. jersey). They were not zipping in and out of traffic they were running on a halfway controllable environment, a speeder on a normal road would pose more of a REALISTIC threat to public saftey than the actions of these individuals. Not saying that what they did was right or legal, but I'm just pointing something out, though I completely agree with the whole medical attention thing.

[98tadriver]

i watched 3 people die one night in philly. tell me again street racing doesn't kill.
there is a time and reason many people leave the streets for the track. hopefully you will figure it out before you are the statistic.
want some of teh good ones you can be a part of?
you are 7 times more likely to crash racing on the street than on a track
you are 26 times more likely to suffer serious or fatal injuries
medical assistance at an average race track in this country is on the vehicle in under 1 minute, on the average street in this country help is over 7 minutes away. crash at excessive speeds and you will learn very quickly what 6 minutes is worth

yup, doesn't hurt a soul does it?

yeah, but thats philly. Its densly populated, and just about every time, theyre racing on streets with intersections and lots of traffic/people. And im willing to bet drinking and driving kills more people a year than street racers. Almost Everryyyytiiime, the people i see on the news that died from "excessive speed" or "street racing" are racing in busy, high-traffic areas. And theyre also quite inexperienced in the racing world.

[98tadriver]

Lower prices? Atco is what $13 bucks?

A deer won't run onto the middle of the track...


15.00

[Raist103]

i used to go to philly when young and dumb and saw how much could go wrong and would never do it again. philly is a city and is the point i am making, dumb people in a 15sec car can cause major damage and death easily. after all the tickets being handed out i dont know if i would street race again either unless it was worth it. but the tracks now a days is still not the answer something else needs to be done.

[naSSty99ss]

The article said people where complaining about the noise, there building a huge motorsports track across the street from the road that the bust was on.

[NJSPEEDER]

no matter where you are around here. your odds of a safe and fun night with no problems from cops are better at the track. teh crack downs are going to get more frequent and more serious charges will be filed as this all escalates through next year.
take it as a warning, they have stop playing around and picking spots to bust. they wanna end the game. with so many legit racing options, there is no realy reason to risk your life, license, or car over it.

[NJSPEEDER]

The article said people where complaining about the noise, there building a huge motorsports track across the street from the road that the bust was on.

people are willing to overlook the noise when it increases their property values and lowers their taxes because the track get burdened with a lot fo the local costs.
there are also restrictions to the hours of operation of a legit facility. street racers seem to think the later the better. for those who have to go to work early in the AM that is sort of a problem.

[j0n]

I think his point is street racing if not done without COMPLETE disregard for public saftey is not that dangerous. Those statistics are probably compiled from people street racing in general and most of those statistics come from people doing it on crowded streets. Let's use another example, firing ranges. You go to a firing range and you shoot in a safe organized environment (track situation). So long as you aren't a complete idiot everyone should be safe and you are not putting yourself or anyone else in danger. Say you walk out into the middle of your local city on a long straight street and you start shooting at a target 150yds out. This is not at a range and it is highly dangerous because the area is not controlled and you are posing a great danger to others (street racing on a public street). The sheer fact of your shooting in that type of situation is causing a danger that you can't control. Now say you go out into a desert where nobody is around, you don't have 100% control over the environment but for all intents and purposes you know you can control it. Now you are not at a range, and it is not "organized" or set up into lanes perse, but it is relatively safe and you are not creating a danger for those around you becaues you are taking reasonable precautions to ensure you are safe (street racing like was busted in s. jersey). They were not zipping in and out of traffic they were running on a halfway controllable environment, a speeder on a normal road would pose more of a REALISTIC threat to public saftey than the actions of these individuals. Not saying that what they did was right or legal, but I'm just pointing something out, though I completely agree with the whole medical attention thing.

Excellent metaphor

[98tadriver]

people are willing to overlook the noise when it increases their property values and lowers their taxes because the track get burdened with a lot fo the local costs.
there are also restrictions to the hours of operation of a legit facility. street racers seem to think the later the better. for those who have to go to work early in the AM that is sort of a problem.

Taxes will never go down. they are constantly on the rise in south jersey.

[BonzoHansen]

Taxes will never go down. they are constantly on the rise in new jersey.Fixed.

[JW]

living in new jersey, you are no more than an hour from some track. yes, it may be a bit more if traffic is bad.
from here in trenton i can get to atco or etown in 45-60 mins, island in a bit over an hour usualy, maple grove in under 1.5 hours, and cecil county is prolly around 1.5 hours depending on how 95 is around the philly airport too. that is 5 tracks in about the same distance i drove to the south meet last saturday!!!!
any of these tracks i will get a minimum of 3 runs, many nights you can get 10+ at several of them. run once, pull right back in the lanes. wanna race someone specific, they will help get you together. wanna gamble on it, no authority figure will give a hoot.
compare that to going out street racing. drive 30 mins to the closest, good, active meeting spot. sit around for an hour + while people trash talk each other and argue about stips then go to another spot, 15 more minutes of driving, and after all that you don't always get a race and the hyped up race doesn't happen half the time.
and even if you do get a run in, you still don't actually have proof of how fast/slow your car is and people argue about who won and where the line is constantly.


Just had to quote you to be the exception to the rule here. I am an 1.5 from Atco, my closest track and when I went I only got 1 run in :(

JW :D

[Squirrel]

say 300 people a year die from an incident directly involved with street racing...but what about those 300 people a day that die from legal things, such as smoking?
edit: smoking is a choice blah blah blah...so is street racing, that doesnt make one thing worse than the other

[Savage_Messiah]

A while back in Paramus, my cousin was damn near killed in a racing acident. He was the passenger in one car, driven by his friend, 2 friends in the other car. Other car hit a bump and got lost it into the other car (one my cousin was in), both cars ended up magled wrecks in trees. Somehow my cousins seatbelt got off and he moved his seat down/back (or it just broke off the rack), and tht saved his life because a tree ended up replacing a good part of the passenger side of the car. He was in a coma for weeks, in the hospital for months, and eventually pulled through and recovered.

How much control one driver has doesn't mean ****, because you can never account for all possible situations, and innocent people's lives can be turned upside down. Aside from an occasional highwy punch, you really can not argue that street racing is safe

[98tadriver]

A while back in Paramus, my cousin was damn near killed in a racing acident. He was the passenger in one car, driven by his friend, 2 friends in the other car. Other car hit a bump and got lost it into the other car (one my cousin was in), both cars ended up magled wrecks in trees. Somehow my cousins seatbelt got off and he moved his seat down/back (or it just broke off the rack), and tht saved his life because a tree ended up replacing a good part of the passenger side of the car. He was in a coma for weeks, in the hospital for months, and eventually pulled through and recovered.

How much control one driver has doesn't mean ****, because you can never account for all possible situations, and innocent people's lives can be turned upside down. Aside from an occasional highwy punch, you really can not argue that street racing is safe

That brings up another thing- Almost everytime i see something on the news about kids dying in street races, there will be like 4 kids in each car, and its a damn shame when innocent people have to die due to the stupidity of the driver(s). Not that im saying its ok, but anytime i raced, if my cameraman wasnt filming from inside the car, i would fly solo. that and 4 kids is like adding .5 second to my 1/4 mile

(but seriously i wouldnt take passengers for the very reason "if something was to happen with them in the car")

[naSSty99ss]

I think street racing has changed in the last 10 years or so. I remeber, about 8 years ago going to probably the best known spot for street racing in Cumberland County(people have been going there since the early70's ) I have seen cops pull up and ask if "we where out here racing" we would say yea and he would reply "just don't drink and race." I've seen this happen many times.Now if you go out there its like a party on the street, people drunk and high.(I saw a kid doing ballons, damn near pass out and go race) It use to be about people having fun racing cars. Now its partying, fighting, and racing cars. I blamn the imports !

[79T/A]

Don't give me that other bs about watching something illegal is therefore encouraging it. You could say the samething about watching pro sports when you kno ppl (either yourself or ppl around you) ILLEGALLY bet on it. if you watch pro sports you "encourage" it. It is the same thing as what happens at Fuds; does that mean the ppl who watch those idiots do burnouts should be ticketed and arrested too? Burnouts in any place other then private properity (you own) or at a track is "illegal".


Actually, I gotta disagree a little bit with this one. Professional sports are a legal activity; street racing is not. There are plenty of people who watch professional sports without betting on them, as there are many who watch street races without betting on them. Those watching were likely charged with trespassing if it was private property (I read the article to mean that the road was a private road). Street racing, or racing on a highway, is a motor vehicle offense enforceable by a traffic summons. I'm just guessing on this, though.

As for the street racing debate, well, we can argue about it until the cows come home but it's just like the great marijuana debate: No matter what you and/or law enforcement think about it, it's still illegal. Whether it's on a quiet private road or a busy city block, it's against the law. And if someone complains about it (Which in this case they obviously did), the cops have to do something.

While I applaud the racers for finding a quiet out of the way place to race as compared to downtown Philly, they knew the risks. They got busted. They'll have to deal with it. Life will go on. I'd be willing to bet some of them will race again.

[Raist103]

they also mailed tickets out to the people who where there the last 3 weekends. so someone was under cover there writing plates down. this is not fair to give out 5 point tickets to people who did not race and just came to see some nice cars. the whole thing is a bunch of **** and cops have more important things to do about bad people with guns, drugs, kids getting killed at schools, shootings in many towns. there is far worst things being done that have not even come close to being fixed or even gotten better that they should work on.

[NJSPEEDER]

the tickets for watching street racing have nothing to do with the betting. it is about all those people you see around screaming "spin 'em" and other such stuff or trying to set up races.
most of those complaints end up dropped from what i have seen and heard over the years. the real intention of those tickets is to make it not worth it for people to go watch, which limits the number of potential racers and potential accident victims by default.
the only people i have ever heard of them following through with the spectating and encouraging an illegal display fo speed are people taht they have direct evidence of setting up street races. that is another reason it is best to keep it all off camera and names and places shoudl never be posted on messages boards. then again, there is always some stooge with a video camera that is jsut dyin to be part of the action and nobody ever stops them. keep an eye on that guy, cause you know all those tickets that got mailed weren't because someone memorized 200 license plates :wink:

[jims69camaro]

stooge with a video camera that is jsut dyin to be part of the action and nobody ever stops them. keep an eye on that guy, cause you know all those tickets that got mailed weren't because someone memorized 200 license plates :wink:

qft.

i am against street racing in any form. i have street raced, both in well-known areas and in backwoods areas. i didn't feel any different about it then (it was a race) nor do i feel any different about it now. i was stupid, yet, in my own mind i had rationalized it the way i see some of you doing. street racing is stupid. you cannot handle all contingencies, cannot guarantee that it will be 100% safe, and currently it is illegal. now, if you want to do something, why not start a grassroots effort to get the law repealed?

until then, i will do my racing on the tracks.

[maroman88]

A while back in Paramus, my cousin was damn near killed in a racing acident. He was the passenger in one car, driven by his friend, 2 friends in the other car. Other car hit a bump and got lost it into the other car (one my cousin was in), both cars ended up magled wrecks in trees. Somehow my cousins seatbelt got off and he moved his seat down/back (or it just broke off the rack), and tht saved his life because a tree ended up replacing a good part of the passenger side of the car. He was in a coma for weeks, in the hospital for months, and eventually pulled through and recovered.

How much control one driver has doesn't mean ****, because you can never account for all possible situations, and innocent people's lives can be turned upside down. Aside from an occasional highwy punch, you really can not argue that street racing is safe

that was just up the street from me, crashed into the trees on the front lawn of bergen regional hospitol, integra and civic i think, they had the cars in hackensack at county PD for a while. also thats a prime example of a place NOT to race. A) its paramus, theres always other cars on the road B) the road curves, where the crash was! C) the crash was just past a major intersection.

i agree, goin to a track sucks. i agree, these ricers that weave all over the highway suck!

[Savage_Messiah]

they also mailed tickets out to the people who where there the last 3 weekends. so someone was under cover there writing plates down. this is not fair to give out 5 point tickets to people who did not race and just came to see some nice cars. the whole thing is a bunch of **** and cops have more important things to do about bad people with guns, drugs, kids getting killed at schools, shootings in many towns. there is far worst things being done that have not even come close to being fixed or even gotten better that they should work on.


Obviously you don't know what happened to Spring valley... went from (decades ago) a chill spot where I've been told cops let races fly as long as they were under control, to ricers coming in and being stupid, to everyone there gettign tickets, to some kid beaten (to death, IIRC) over some honda vs. VW retardedness. That's mostly spectators up there.

the tickets for watching street racing have nothing to do with the betting. it is about all those people you see around screaming "spin 'em"


I hate you.

[SStealth2k]

dudeeee ronnnn i forgot to tell u, tom got a street racing ticket mailed to him b.c of tht, and that was from sept,9th... shietttt hes in some trouble now. micheal jackson wont get him outta this haha

[89 Trans Am WS6]

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there are also restrictions to the hours of operation of a legit facility. street racers seem to think the later the better. for those who have to go to work early in the AM that is sort of a problem.


For most, thats the major point.


Hours of operation. Your not realizing that most of the people at a "organized" street racing event, arnt complete losers that wake up at noon everydayMost of them are the very people who wake up early and go to work each day. Alot of them, like myself may work a 10 hour day. I personally work 7:30-5:30 every day except sunday. Usually later. You figure by the time I go home, shower, get ready and drive to a track that is about 45 minutes away its going to be AT LEAST 8. Island is open till what, 10? 1030? For most, its not really a convinient option. Usually that translates to a back road in sometown NJ, where it is organized, convinient, fun, and relativly safe. Not saying its legal, but its not the two idiots dipping in and out of traffic on 46 at rush hour either.

You also have to think about the local area in relation to "the back roads" aswell. If you think about avenue P, it is infact a isolated area, away from the main roads of newark. Personally I think the actual road surface sucks, but to each their own I guess. Still seems better then people racing lights in spring valley/nanuet or dragging down the parkway.

Believe me tho, cops have alot better things to do then bust street racers. However, the citizens of the surrounding area dont. The guy that said "Police have to respond to a complaint" hit the nail on the head. Generally speaking, unless your running straight down the main street in town, police are not going to bother you, unless there is a complaint. In that case, they cant ignore it, they have to follow up on it. You really cant blame the cops..

btw, the tickets I saw were titled as "Spectating to racing", given out to people I know in both Newark and SV. The people I knew, had them dropped. Just like any other points violation, money talks I guess. :/

And, just for the record, street racing isnt going anywhere. I can say that and I dont even activly participate in the racing. Lets be real tho. Youve been saying "The police are going to be cracking down on this more then ever next year" for years now. Tons of people have on all different sites. Ever notice that most of these "Racing spots" have been around longer then most of us have been alive? To be honest, even if racetracks were open 24 hrs/365 days a year, and there was one in everybodys backyard, people would still street race. I know I can talk to my parents, and they could tell me about racing back in the day, and I could of even talked to my grandparents and they would talk about the old days of hotrodding and racing. Remember, "street" racing was around before any organized racing body. Its always going to be around, in some back alley, in anytown USA. Some will get caught, some wont. It will go on.

Remember, a "little punch on the highway with a friend", "catching a light with someone", or a all out organized back road race, are all forms of street racing. Dont be a hypocrite. If you do it, fine. If you dont, also fine. Just dont go around saying you dont do something, and how wrong it is, if you yourself do it.

[maroman88]

i couldnt agree with the above statement anymore!

[mtnhopper1]

qft.

i am against street racing in any form. i have street raced, both in well-known areas and in backwoods areas. i didn't feel any different about it then (it was a race) nor do i feel any different about it now. i was stupid, yet, in my own mind i had rationalized it the way i see some of you doing. street racing is stupid. you cannot handle all contingencies, cannot guarantee that it will be 100% safe, and currently it is illegal. now, if you want to do something, why not start a grassroots effort to get the law repealed?

until then, i will do my racing on the tracks.

Ditto

[oh one ls1 SS]

they also mailed tickets out to the people who where there the last 3 weekends. so someone was under cover there writing plates down. this is not fair to give out 5 point tickets to people who did not race and just came to see some nice cars. the whole thing is a bunch of **** and cops have more important things to do about bad people with guns, drugs, kids getting killed at schools, shootings in many towns. there is far worst things being done that have not even come close to being fixed or even gotten better that they should work on.

dont be mad at the cops for doing their job. street racing is illeagle and everyone that races knows it is illeagle as well. if you do it dont cry when you get busted.

[Raist103]

dont be mad at the cops for doing their job. street racing is illeagle and everyone that races knows it is illeagle as well. if you do it dont cry when you get busted.

im not mad i dont hang there and did not get any tickets. my friend got the tickets and he did not race so i am saying bs to the cops for giving 5 point racing tickets to people who did not race.

[Slow Z]

You gotta be retarded to race on that side street everyone got busted on, it's 1 way in 1 way out, narrow, downhill, and BUMPY. The fast cars have always run on the main road... We've been racing there for YEARS without problems but of course all the retards gotta ruin it. 2-3 years ago that road was so desolate it was common for untagged open header race cars to go out there, come off the trailer, and make a few passes.

Now idiots go out there and basically party and race their 15 second cars up and down the road. I'm not saying street racing is smart or safe but if you're going to do it, do it right. Anytime I race it's gotta be: 1-2AM, nobody standing/parked past the starting line, no passengers, and on a road that has no side streets or traffic (like the one that got busted - my ol' favorite road). Only people who risk getting hurt are the 2 drivers. Get the race off and leave - no need to be there any longer than 15 minutes. We did it like that for years until, as usual, word gets around and it turns into a party spot for a hundred retards every weekend at 10PM.

[Jersey_TA]

6 of the people that got busted work with me a Bestbuy... all ricers... i couldnt help but laugh :lol:

ahahahahahahaha

[Jersey_TA]

But not everyone lives 10min away from island

Yeah, that's a 2+ hour drive for me.

[jims69camaro]

www.automedia.com/Alternatives/to/Street/Racing (http://www.automedia.com/Alternatives/to/Street/Racing/dsm20031001sr/1)

http://streetsmartsforum.org/portal.php

[Squirrel]

street racing = free:)...no 'till you get caught', cuz thats teh homo, k thx

[Knipps]

www.automedia.com/Alternatives/to/Street/Racing (http://www.automedia.com/Alternatives/to/Street/Racing/dsm20031001sr/1)

http://streetsmartsforum.org/portal.php

you're just broadcasting that because you're a featured member and they put your cat on the homepage :wink:

[Savage_Messiah]

you're just broadcasting that because you're a featured member and they put your cat on the homepage :wink:


Really?!??? I don't see any cats at all.....

[Knipps]

Really?!??? I don't see any cats at all.....

typo at 12am after being up god knows how long FTMFL

[Jersey_TA]

street racing = free:)...no 'till you get caught',

Freedom isn't free......it costs a buck O five ;) lol

[jims69camaro]

you're just broadcasting that because you're a featured member and they put your car on the homepage :wink:

Shhh! ;)

i'm actually broadcasting because some may not know about the existence of such "alternatives to racing". street S.M.A.R.T.S. is restructuring, so a little patience is needed before they provide a good online "experience". they've got some ideas over there that will replace street racing for anyone that cares to make the change; just as exciting (well, ok, maybe not quite, but close).