What would you guys do (car wise)?

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Buy a LS1 and have a small car payment or buy an LT1 outright. Keep in mind Im not a mechanic so the lower miles would probably help. Any build up Id be doing most likely id be paying for. The car wont be daily driver and the farthest mod wise would probably be heads and cam(low 12's high 11's). Ls1 would certainly get me there easier, but the Lt1 would leave me more mod money.It will be a weekend/nice weather car and hit the track maybe 2-3 times a season max. Im leaning towards the LS1 but would like to hear some opinions.

[chemicalstylez]

Go with the LS1 car for obvious reasons. I sold my 95 Z28 and bought a 2000 WS6.... have never looked back since.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Yea Ive owned both but yea im leaning towards the LS1. A Full exhaust and I'll probably be happy for awhile...or until i get smoked by a terminator :rofl:

[WildBillyT]

LS1.

[WayFast84]

LS1, bolt ons, tc and a 12 bolt and your at your goal of low 12's high 11's

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

LS1, bolt ons, tc and a 12 bolt and your at your goal of low 12's high 11's

Ive owned 3 auto 4th gens time for a 6spd.:nod:

[chemicalstylez]

Most of the Cobra's are stock.... very few around here can be called terminators... plus 90% of their drivers can't handle it or have street tires....no worries about those :)

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Most of the Cobra's are stock.... very few around here can be called terminators... plus 90% of their drivers can't handle it or have street tires....no worries about those :)
You have a lid and a catback, terminator should make quick work of you (even stock). Saw one at Atco run a 12.4 Bone Stock..Those must be some really bad drivers

[Teds89IROC]

You have a lid and a catback, terminator should make quick work of you (even stock). Saw one at Atco run a 12.4 Bone Stock..Those must be some really bad drivers


so then why not get the "terminator"

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

so then why not get the "terminator"

Because Im not dropping 25k for a used car that Im going to use strictly for weekends/summer

[Knipps]

so then why not get the "terminator"

there were only ~2k made per year

the car he keeps praising
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/2003-2004-mustang-svt-cobra-terminator.html

[Teds89IROC]

I've never even heard of it, I figured it was his own name for a stang :lol:

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

They're both good choices. Ls1 is easier to make fast, lt1s are madd torquey down low so weekend driving equals very fun.

[JerzLT1]

get a lt1. bolt ons will net you mid 12s or better with some weight reduction. take my word for it. or just ask j0n. LT1s sound better too :)

[maroman88]

LOL when did an 03/04 cobra get the name terminator? lol like 4 years after production? never heard of it and who came up with it?

[Ian]

LOL when did an 03/04 cobra get the name terminator? lol like 4 years after production? never heard of it and who came up with it?

the name "terminator" came before they revealed the car to the public. kinda like the "blue devil" corvette.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

there were only ~2k made per year

the car he keeps praising
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/2003-2004-mustang-svt-cobra-terminator.html

Wonder where you found that info...but here's the actual numbers

2003 Total: 13,476

Breakdown:
Coupes: 8394
Convertibles: 5082

2004 Total: 5,664

Breakdown:
Coupes: 3768
Convertibles: 1896

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

get a lt1. bolt ons will net you mid 12s or better with some weight reduction. take my word for it. or just ask j0n. LT1s sound better too :)
I had 2 LT1's both auto, and its a very rare occasion that a bolt on LT1 will hit mid 12's or better...more like low 13's. Your times certainly arent the norm.

[DaSkinnyGuy]

I had 2 LT1's both auto, and its a very rare occasion that a bolt on LT1 will hit mid 12's or better...more like low 13's

Well it looks like you know you answer. You want an LS1. But if it was up to me then I would say you have to leave it to what car style you want.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Well it looks like you know you answer. You want an LS1. But if it was up to me then I would say you have to leave it to what car style you want.

Yea im gonna go w/ the LS1

[firehawk1120]

anything but a f-ing mustang. The only car in the world that needs a fricking supercharger to put out any real power. Their cars SUCK

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

anything but a f-ing mustang. The only car in the world that needs a fricking supercharger to put out any real power. Their cars SUCK

Mach 1 seems to be doing fine...runs door to door w/ the LS1 na

[Knipps]

Mach 1 seems to be doing fine...runs door to door w/ the LS1 na

then why aren't you getting one?

Wonder where you found that info...but here's the actual numbers

2003 Total: 13,476

Breakdown:
Coupes: 8394
Convertibles: 5082

2004 Total: 5,664

Breakdown:
Coupes: 3768
Convertibles: 1896

you wonder where i got my numbers? i posted the link so you wouldn't have to worry about that

but it looks like my info was wrong, so yet another mustang site was wrong. oh well, not my problem
so basically any SVT mustang for those years was a "terminator" it was just a codename for production

[Batman]

LS1, bolt ons, tc and a 12 bolt and your at your goal of low 12's high 11's


Riiiiight, maybe at cecil with a good tail wind or if you gut it, unless you are talking like a 4000 stall and 4.56 gears.



If money is an issue go LT1, you can build good stuff cheaper. LS1 I think is a better engine but everything costs a fortune for it.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

then why aren't you getting one?

Because I dont want one, I was just adding that ford needing a blower to hang is BS. Mach's have hit 13.0-1's stock, if thats not LS1 territory then im not sure what is. As far as "praising" the cobra I wasnt.

[WildBillyT]

Because I dont want one, I was just adding that ford needing a blower to hang is BS. Mach's have hit 13.0-1's stock, if thats not LS1 territory then im not sure what is.

I have seen a number of Mach 1's make passes at the track and none of them have come close to that number. Most that I've seen hit around 13.7x's or so. Now I'm not disagreeing that there are probably a few that run those numbers stock, but that's like saying every LS1 car can run 12.9x's stock since a few have done so. And by stock I'm not talking cold air or exhaust. I'm talking paper filter stock.

I don't think Ford needs a blower to hang stock but they certainly do have a tougher time.

[procamaroz28]

DO NOT under esimate stangs my uncle's 2004 GT N/A, full SLP bolt ons, 3.73, DRs does 12.7-12.9 and its a 5 speed only a GT last i checked thats as good as most of the LS1s out there...
if you want my opinion get an LS1 M6, better motor means less money spent on it to make it better

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

but that's like saying every LS1 car can run 12.9x's stock since a few have done so. .No its not, and im talking paper filter also... If you see a 5spd mach running slower then a 13.5 then that driver needs some practice. The auto's are hitting 13.7-8's stock. They run almost identical times to Ls1's, they just trap a few mph's less.

[WildBillyT]

DO NOT under esimate stangs my uncle's 2004 GT N/A, full SLP bolt ons, 3.73, DRs does 12.7-12.9 and its a 5 speed only a GT last i checked thats as good as most of the LS1s out there...
if you want my opinion get an LS1 M6, better motor means less money spent on it to make it better

If you are referring to me, I am not underestimating stangs. I was talking unmodified.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

DO NOT under esimate stangs my uncle's 2004 GT N/A, full SLP bolt ons, 3.73, DRs does 12.7-12.9 and its a 5 speed only a GT last i checked thats as good as most of the LS1s out there...
if you want my opinion get an LS1 M6, better motor means less money spent on it to make it better

2v's are a different story, now they stink :rofl: . They(99-04's) need all the bolt ons, tires and maybe cams sometimes to hit 12's...Only problem is there barely getting over a 100 mph doing it.

[Knipps]

2v's are a different story, now they stink :rofl: . They(99-04's) need all the bolt ons, tires and maybe cams sometimes to hit 12's...Only problem is there barely getting over a 100 mph doing it.

so only the supercharged ones are good?
and those are the ones that can run with the stock LS1's? :scratch:

[procamaroz28]

that isn't cammed beieve me 100mph.. no prob

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

so only the supercharged ones are good?
and those are the ones that can run with the stock LS1's? :scratch:

Mach 1's are 320 dohc na motors, They run w/ stock LS1's. The blown 03/04 underated 390 hp (most put high 360's-370's to the wheels)Cobra should run mid 12's stock w/ a good driver.

procamaroz28 a full bolt on 2v GT only puts down 260-70 hp, even w/ the cams most only hit 290's. Some cams cars have trouble seeing 105. Your uncle must be a good driver im surprised he's seeing those times w/ 373's.

[SpeedMetalT/A]

The only mustangs I've seen staying with LS1's are cobra's, and that's not really anything worth talking about since they have a supercharger.I've seen a few Mach 1's that are bone stock run at e-town and the best I've seen is a stick car running a 13.8.

[procamaroz28]

Mach 1's are 320 dohc na motors, They run w/ stock LS1's. The blown 03/04 underated 390 hp (most put high 360's-370's to the wheels)Cobra should run mid 12's stock w/ a good driver.

procamaroz28 a full bolt on 2v GT only puts down 260-70 hp, even w/ the cams most only hit 290's. Some cams cars have trouble seeing 105. Your uncle must be a good driver im surprised he's seeing those times w/ 373's.
forgot to mention tune, 260-70 sounds more like stock full SLP bolt on i mean everything SLP has for that car pullies, LT headers x pipe ... and also he got intake manifold, TB, and plenum i can try to post a vid of his run i have it on a disc

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

forgot to mention tune, 260-70 sounds more like stock full SLP bolt on i mean everything SLP has for that car pullies, LT headers x pipe ... and also he got intake manifold, TB, and plenum i can try to post a vid of his run i have it on a disc
Yeap, I know what you meant, all that stuff still only puts them maybe in the 270's. Cool, Id love to see the run thx.

[procamaroz28]

dyno is alot more than that, those modular motors are way way under tuned from factory even the terminators, and the new shelby

[firehawk1120]

Riiiiight, maybe at cecil with a good tail wind or if you gut it, unless you are talking like a 4000 stall and 4.56 gears.



If money is an issue go LT1, you can build good stuff cheaper. LS1 I think is a better engine but everything costs a fortune for it.

UM, my 02 with just a convertor and slp exhaust went 12.2. 3.23 gears and it's an auto with a 3600 TC. SO, Yeah it is possible.

[firehawk1120]

As far as my comment I stand by it 100% stock for stock Stangs did not run with LS1's. Now if your talking an 07 Stang vs. an 02 LS1 I don't know I've never run one and haven't been to the track in like 3 years so I don't know their numbers. I just know that I've never run a stang without a supercharger that had the cajhones to stick with me.

Not saying I'm the fastest thing on earth either I know there are stangs out there worked and super sick crazy fast, but it's not the norm.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

As far as my comment I stand by it 100% stock for stock Stangs did not run with LS1's. Now if your talking an 07 Stang vs. an 02 LS1 I don't know I've never run one and haven't been to the track in like 3 years so I don't know their numbers. I just know that I've never run a stang without a supercharger that had the cajhones to stick with me.

Not saying I'm the fastest thing on earth either I know there are stangs out there worked and super sick crazy fast, but it's not the norm.

Well if its been 3 or so years more then likely you didnt race a Mach 1. The engine is basically a 99/01 DOHC w/ a few improvements and the Mach has better gearing. 99/01 Cobra's w/ a good driver arent that far off from a LS1 either...As far as the new 3v GT, they can run w/ LS1's but because of their electronic nanny (drive by wire)they usually need a CAI & tune. Thats pretty much the first mod you do to those cars.

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

Wow...this went from LT1 or LS1 to Mustangs....*YUCK*

Back on topic?

I say go for the LS1 M6 :) At first I wanted an LS1 auto- but I ended up getting an M6...after taking it down to the track...I am SOOOOO glad I got the M6 and not the auto. :) Good luck with whatever you end up with.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Wow...this went from LT1 or LS1 to Mustangs....*YUCK*

Back on topic?

I say go for the LS1 M6 :) At first I wanted an LS1 auto- but I ended up getting an M6...after taking it down to the track...I am SOOOOO glad I got the M6 and not the auto. :) Good luck with whatever you end up with.

Your right..anyhoo :mrgreen: . Yea Im definately going w/ the 6spd. I thought maybe it would be fun to pick up a Lt1 and have more money to throw at it, seems like it would be just a pita and get expensive in the end seeing im not a mechanic. I like the idea of possibly hitting 11's w/ gears and bolt ons anyway :)

[JerzLT1]

Your right..anyhoo :mrgreen: . Yea Im definately going w/ the 6spd. I thought maybe it would be fun to pick up a Lt1 and have more money to throw at it, seems like it would be just a pita and get expensive in the end seeing im not a mechanic. I like the idea of possibly hitting 11's w/ gears and bolt ons anyway :)

11s with gears and bolt ons is doable with a LT1. car would need to go on a serious diet tho lol

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

11s with gears and bolt ons is doable with a LT1. car would need to go on a serious diet tho lol Yea thats pushing it...maybe without the shell :mrgreen:

[procamaroz28]

here he got it on you tube but its not doing any good b/c you cant see the time at end 1st run was 13.2 then 12.9 then 12.7 was best this wasnt 1 night and this run is of my uncles 04 gt full slp bolt ons tune and dr
http://youtube.com/watch?v=k2hiR7TVNfc

[j0n]

I had 2 LT1's both auto, and its a very rare occasion that a bolt on LT1 will hit mid 12's or better...more like low 13's. Your times certainly arent the norm.

my 3700lb convertible went 12.700 with exhaust, gears, and a mail-order tune on bald 3 year old drag radials...

[Mike]

lots of false information in this thread.

[Mike]

DO NOT under esimate stangs my uncle's 2004 GT N/A, full SLP bolt ons, 3.73, DRs does 12.7-12.9 and its a 5 speed only a GT last i checked thats as good as most of the LS1s out there...
if you want my opinion get an LS1 M6, better motor means less money spent on it to make it better

and my bolt on ls1 is almost a second faster, whats your point

[procamaroz28]

read the part of the thread you werent here for!

[98tadriver]

LS1, bolt ons, tc and a 12 bolt and your at your goal of low 12's high 11's


or a 6spd like me and hit low 12s, and soon to be high 11s stock internals :) untuned.

and as far as the terminators go, they could hit high 12s stock with a darn good driver. even with their bolt ons and all, theyd need a good driver. (sorry to bring up mustangs again kelsey lol!)

[12secondv6]

Might I suggest the dodge neon?

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

and as far as the terminators go, they could hit high 12s stock with a darn good driver. even with their bolt ons and all, theyd need a good driver. (sorry to bring up mustangs again kelsey lol!) Sorry to reply to a mustang reply :lol: but I hope your kidding? Plently have hit 12.4-6's bone stock.

jon good times, I ve seen a few Lt1's run those numbers w/ similar mods.

12second v6 not sure if your being a smartass or not :lol: but im str8.

procamaroz28 those are good times your uncles running. The norm for those mods on a 2v is mid to low 13's.

[firehawk1120]

looks like we have a lot of John Force type drivers here. :D

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

looks like we have a lot of John Force type drivers here. :D
:rofl: naa, there all possible. Not much info on the GT, nor can i see the vid right now because videos are blocked on my gov. pc :banghead: but Id assume its on ET's ? to hit those times. The time is all launch which is the reason why they dont trap much at all. Might run 12's at the track but It would probably get anniliated on the hwy by a stock 6spd Ls1.

[JerzLT1]

i plan on hitting 11s stock internals, no spray and no cam BTW.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

i plan on hitting 11s stock internals, no spray and no cam BTW.

Good luck w/ a 6spd

[JerzLT1]

its auto. and very possible

[j0n]

its auto. and very possible


Negative...absolutely never happen. Lt1s are the suck

[chemicalstylez]

You have a lid and a catback, terminator should make quick work of you (even stock). Saw one at Atco run a 12.4 Bone Stock..Those must be some really bad drivers

i know..... but my monte carlo eats the tards that cant drive them :) My ws6 is my DD, i just cruise and beat on poostangs :D If i didn't piss my money away on other things like rolexs and benzs i'd rebuild and blow my car so i could step on their faces. but my priorities are all over the map :p

[JerzLT1]

Negative...absolutely never happen. Lt1s are the suck

well see ********* lol. i bet people said your car would run 12.70s too right?

[j0n]

well see ********* lol. i bet people said your car would run 12.70s too right?

:lol:

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

Bottom line here is......SOM LS1s are FTMFW!!!!! :lol:

[NJSPEEDER]

if you are looking for a car to play with and enjoy, i woudl jsut buy the LT1. having extra money around to start modding the car sounds like a lot more fun that making payments and trying to save for mods at the same time.
the LS1 is the better engine, but it doesn't sound like your goal is a serious race car so it won't make much of a difference.

[CJDZ24_Z28]

I have owned 11 4th gens F-Bodies. 5 of them were LT1's. Great cars but no comparison to the LS1. So much power and more reliable IMHO. I just sold me 01 SS to get a Vette but i still have my 98 Trans Am with 145,500 miles still put down 338hp thru a A4

[JerzLT1]

I have owned 11 4th gens F-Bodies. 5 of them were LS1's. Great cars but no comparison to the LS1. So much power and more reliable IMHO. I just sold me 01 SS to get a Vette but i still have my 98 Trans Am with 145,500 miles still put down 338hp thru a A4

thats a pretty bold statement. i might have a freak or something but with my mods im running very similar ets that a LS1 with the same mods would be running. should actually be faster since i have an exhaust leak and its not tuned. i dunno maybe its just my car or something

[j0n]

thats a pretty bold statement. i might have a freak or something but with my mods im running very similar ets that a LT1 with the same mods would be running. should actually be faster since i have an exhaust leak and its not tuned. i dunno maybe its just my car or something

I seem to remember someone else making similar statements about another lt1 car...maybe its just a jersey thing :shrug:

[98tadriver]

Riiiiight, maybe at cecil with a good tail wind or if you gut it, unless you are talking like a 4000 stall and 4.56 gears.



If money is an issue go LT1, you can build good stuff cheaper. LS1 I think is a better engine but everything costs a fortune for it.

actually theres a few guys i know running bolt on A4s in the low low 12s. with stock gears. then u have the weight reduction people with M6's who drive their cars into high 11s with bad transmissions and no tune!

[98tadriver]

Sorry to reply to a mustang reply :lol: but I hope your kidding? Plently have hit 12.4-6's bone stock.

jon good times, I ve seen a few Lt1's run those numbers w/ similar mods.

12second v6 not sure if your being a smartass or not :lol: but im str8.

procamaroz28 those are good times your uncles running. The norm for those mods on a 2v is mid to low 13's.


oh yeah? And who's driving those cobras?? Evan Smith from MM & FF? be real here, not everybody can drive like him. im talking bone stock off the showroom floor on street tires. theres your darn good drivers and then theres Mr Evan Smith.
People with the Driver Mod are few and far between.
Not everybody can drive like him and not every car is alike. you will have your freaks and your turds.

"Evan Smith, our resident hot shoe, has an uncanny ability for running the quarter mile, as evidenced by his 12.89 run in a stock 1999 Z28 (GMHTP 7/99)"
"He was able to squeeze off a best of 12.43 @ 113 mph - in an '03 terminator according to the October 2002 MM&FF"
"New issue of MM&FF has Evan Smith running a best time of 12.25 @ 117.18 in a stock GT500."

Ranger from LS1tech and rangeracceleration.com hit 11.2 with a C6Z06 bone stock, street tires and 10.85 with just drag radials. doesnt mean everybody is going to run that with their vette. a bit off topic, maybe; but im proving a point. just because a car might be capable of running 11s or 12s or whatever; doesnt mean the driver can do it. (and no im not bashing on any1's driving ability)

[98tadriver]

Mach 1's are 320 dohc na motors, They run w/ stock LS1's. The blown 03/04 underated 390 hp (most put high 360's-370's to the wheels)Cobra should run mid 12's stock w/ a good driver.

And i've had my fun killing Mach Fun's. Whether it be from a dig or roll. And that was when i was full weight too :)

And if those 03/04's put down 360-370rwhp... On paper it looks good. But in the End, its a driver's race.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

And if those 03/04's put down 360-370rwhp... On paper it looks good. But in the End, its a driver's race.
Im not going to argue this on a Fbody site, but whatever you say a stock LS1 & a stock Cobra are a drivers race. Guess this head to head test was just on paper.

http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0208mmff_mustang_camaro_shootout/index.html

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

oh yeah? And who's driving those cobras?? Evan Smith from MM & FF? be real here, not everybody can drive like him. im talking bone stock off the showroom floor on street tires. theres your darn good drivers and then theres Mr Evan Smith.
People with the Driver Mod are few and far between.
Not everybody can drive like him and not every car is alike. you will have your freaks and your turds.

"Evan Smith, our resident hot shoe, has an uncanny ability for running the quarter mile, as evidenced by his 12.89 run in a stock 1999 Z28 (GMHTP 7/99)"
"He was able to squeeze off a best of 12.43 @ 113 mph - in an '03 terminator according to the October 2002 MM&FF"
"New issue of MM&FF has Evan Smith running a best time of 12.25 @ 117.18 in a stock GT500."

Ranger from LS1tech and rangeracceleration.com hit 11.2 with a C6Z06 bone stock, street tires and 10.85 with just drag radials. doesnt mean everybody is going to run that with their vette. a bit off topic, maybe; but im proving a point. just because a car might be capable of running 11s or 12s or whatever; doesnt mean the driver can do it. (and no im not bashing on any1's driving ability)
Well aware of all that, and all the articles your referring to. Since you referrenced LS1tech, go look up a member named snorman from Toms River. Hes a member on most of the fbody boards along w/ stang boards. You may know him. He ran a 12.6@115 stock in a terminator right here in Atco. The cars trap proves the power differance in the two not a driver mod. Not sure what Ls1 is trapping anywhere near 115 bone stock, o wait there isnt any. He also raced a member named ultimateoranngess from eatontown(99 hugger SS) who had a stalled(believe 3400 @ the time), gear'd,LS6 cam'd, bolt on Ls1 car and detroyed him stock, they were also clean races. Im sure he posted that in the kill stories as well. Not here to start a flame thread, all I ever owned were camaro's but for you to say that its a drivers race is crazy. Now a bolt on Ls1 and a stock cobra might be a drivers race. Believe me there's plenty of Cobra owners that have ran near Evan Smith times without being professional drivers. It doesnt take the driver mod to get a 12 out of a termi. Most of the average drivers cut 12.8's or so. Both these cars have been out several years and anyway you look at it the Cobra is a 1/2 second faster stock on average and it only gets worse when the modding begins due to the FI @ forged Cobra motor. I understand this is an fbod board and there's bias people here(why should it be different then any other site) but thats no reason to dog the oppositions performance because of brand loyalty. Im sure you die hard fbody guys are tired of hearing this crap so im gonna end my part in this thread right here :) .

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

:bs:I consulted my mustang friend (hardcore Ford family) and they say no wai. Terminators mostly run 12.9-13.1, occasionally a lil faster, but not 12.6 on stock tires...And the 04ish GT's are like high 13s or low 14s, depending...
Even in the cold last Friday I raced an 03 GT and he ran a 14.0ish (Forget which but I could check). And he had catback/CAI. I raced a S/C Cobra who ran 12.7.

Not to mention I am mainly a GM guy, but realize the 03ish cobras rock, as I am really just a Muscle Car guy, but have GM tendency because of my dad.

[mystictealLT1]

why are you talking about cobras when the subject of the thread was abou buying a ls1 or a lt1

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

:bs:I consulted my mustang friend (hardcore Ford family) and they say no wai.
well thats good now that you consulted your friend I guess im giving out false info ...o well :rofl:

[CJDZ24_Z28]

thats a pretty bold statement. i might have a freak or something but with my mods im running very similar ets that a LS1 with the same mods would be running. should actually be faster since i have an exhaust leak and its not tuned. i dunno maybe its just my car or something

You are running the same times as LS1's? My SS with a air lid and headers ran consistant 13.1's at 112mph-114mph's. MY best ET with it when it was bone stock was 13.3@ 108
I would never diss the LT1's because i still think they look better than LS1 camaro's and it was the LT1 Camaro that made me love the F-bods so much. I also don't want to get anyone thinking the LT1 isn't all that reliable either. I had a 94 that had 183000 miles on it when i sold it and it was strong! But mod for mod, and also weight and easier to work on, the LS1 F-Body is the way to go

[procamaroz28]

:scratch:ok back on topic now... LS1 all day over lt1 b/c it will cost more than the diff to get the LT as fast... wow took 3 pages to get this far

[j0n]

:scratch:ok back on topic now... LS1 all day over lt1 b/c it will cost more than the diff to get the LT as fast... wow took 3 pages to get this far

10k to spend...guy a buys an lt1 for 5k and dumps 5k into it. guy b buys an ls1 for 9k and spends 1k on it...you tell me who's at the finish line first...

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

For your purposes, a nitrous Lt1 would be perfect I think. Better, deeper sound, madd torque low, reliable motor, cheaper...Everyone has an ellis juan.

[JerzLT1]

You are running the same times as LS1's? My SS with a air lid and headers ran consistant 13.1's at 112mph-114mph's. MY best ET with it when it was bone stock was 13.3@ 108
I would never diss the LT1's because i still think they look better than LS1 camaro's and it was the LT1 Camaro that made me love the F-bods so much. I also don't want to get anyone thinking the LT1 isn't all that reliable either. I had a 94 that had 183000 miles on it when i sold it and it was strong! But mod for mod, and also weight and easier to work on, the LS1 F-Body is the way to go

Get the facts before you make assumptions. my car runs faster than 13.1. and the only thing harder to do on the LT1 is the opti. which can be done in an hour. anything else? go with a LT1 youll be happy and be able to hit your goals without car payments

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Get the facts before you make assumptions. my car runs faster than 13.1.

Im sure it does but I wouldnt say that til your actually run it :) ...Anti-rice-GUY not a fan of nos, if I do choose an fbody im gonna go Ls1 or just wait for the new one. I had a few modded LT1's already and im kinda tired of them now that I thought about it a bit more. A 4V stang are also still possibilities.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Ah, I see. I just figured they were saying you have a spend a lot of money to go 11s when you don't have to spend that much...

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Ah, I see. I just figured they were saying you have a spend a lot of money to go 11s when you don't have to spend that much...

Yea If i was to do the LT1 thing again id go na heads/cam to acheive 11's not FI

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

My suggestion was cheaper, and we were talkin about price ;)

[JerzLT1]

Im sure it does but I wouldnt say that til your actually run it :) ...Anti-rice-GUY not a fan of nos, if I do choose an fbody im gonna go Ls1 or just wait for the new one. I had a few modded LT1's already and im kinda tired of them now that I thought about it a bit more. A 4V stang are also still possibilities.

http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd186/98tadriv/?action=view&current=josh.flv enough said :lol:

[Knipps]

http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd186/98tadriv/?action=view&current=josh.flv enough said :lol:

if you ran a 12.85 why not update your sig?

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

if you ran a 12.85 why not update your sig?

yea thats why i said that...good runs man

Yea I looked at it and it probably wouldnt be cheper because more then likely the LT1 will be high miled and I would have to end up rebuilding ontop of getting a heads and cam to get where i want to be. Plus I would have to pay for labor seeing im far from a mechanic :rofl: . Good runs 86formula I ran a 12.8 @109 in my old 01 6spd LS1 w/ a loudmouth & Lid.

[firehawk1120]

I actually do know snorman from T.R. i used to hang out with him and Mike 00ss and kenny h, and a few others I won't mention because of personal reason and not wanting them to see this and start posting here again.

If snorman went 12.6 on a street tire at Atco that is one thing. If you are talking about racing in the 1/4 mile to Ultimate orange with a 3400 TC, cammed, bolt on car I am going to have to say no way in hell. I have a similar car its an 02 with a 3600 TC, exhaust, and I went 12.2. that clearly is better then his 12.6. Now if you are talking on the street then yeah I can see snorman destroying him because I'm assuming it's supercharged. I'm not a mustang fan so I don't know.

Anyway my point has always been that in order for the stangs to claim their dominance over the LS1 they have to supercharge the car. They can't or at least couldn't make a stang that was even close to the LS1 N/A.

In that case why would I spend all the additional money on a stang when I can do basic mods on an LS1 and still be faster.

Not to mention if I know SNORMAN he probably did a few little tweeks and didn't tell anyone. He knows how to get good performance out of cars with very little change.

Well aware of all that, and all the articles your referring to. Since you referrenced LS1tech, go look up a member named snorman from Toms River. Hes a member on most of the fbody boards along w/ stang boards. You may know him. He ran a 12.6@115 stock in a terminator right here in Atco. The cars trap proves the power differance in the two not a driver mod. Not sure what Ls1 is trapping anywhere near 115 bone stock, o wait there isnt any. He also raced a member named ultimateoranngess from eatontown(99 hugger SS) who had a stalled(believe 3400 @ the time), gear'd,LS6 cam'd, bolt on Ls1 car and detroyed him stock, they were also clean races. Im sure he posted that in the kill stories as well. Not here to start a flame thread, all I ever owned were camaro's but for you to say that its a drivers race is crazy. Now a bolt on Ls1 and a stock cobra might be a drivers race. Believe me there's plenty of Cobra owners that have ran near Evan Smith times without being professional drivers. It doesnt take the driver mod to get a 12 out of a termi. Most of the average drivers cut 12.8's or so. Both these cars have been out several years and anyway you look at it the Cobra is a 1/2 second faster stock on average and it only gets worse when the modding begins due to the FI @ forged Cobra motor. I understand this is an fbod board and there's bias people here(why should it be different then any other site) but thats no reason to dog the oppositions performance because of brand loyalty. Im sure you die hard fbody guys are tired of hearing this crap so im gonna end my part in this thread right here :) .

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

If you are talking about racing in the 1/4 mile to Ultimate orange with a 3400 TC, cammed, bolt on car I am going to have to say no way in hell. I have a similar car its an 02 with a 3600 TC, exhaust, and I went 12.2. that clearly is better then his 12.6. Now if you are talking on the street then yeah I can see snorman destroying him because I'm assuming it's supercharged. I'm not a mustang fan so I don't know.

.Yea it was on the street in TR, but w/ Tony driving im not sure it would have made a difference :lol: . UltimateOrangess is far from the best driver seeing he has a TTP cam ,afr heads, Kooks LT's,373's,3600 stall now , and Id assume a ttp dyno tune and has only ran a best of 12.2 to date. We use to be good friends 5 or so years ago and I personally ran the car at Etown and it seemed to be on par w/ the other stock LS1's.

[procamaroz28]

10k to spend...guy a buys an lt1 for 5k and dumps 5k into it. guy b buys an ls1 for 9k and spends 1k on it...you tell me who's at the finish line first...
you can pick up some nice LS1s for 7-8k id still take that over LT1 better motor and 1st mods i do is frame/ suspention if i get an lt1 i gotta do that and bolt on mods to get it to LSx level so 7-8k and they'll finish almost same (LT still a bit behind)

[WayFast84]

Ok, every time some on suggests something you change your mind, First you said, a 03/04 cobra went 12.43's stock, then ron said something and now your new time is 12.6. As much as you say you want an fbody, with all this arguing and proving your point about the cobra just get one already. Four pages of just going back and fourth..

[procamaroz28]

how about blower on my TA that definatly will smoke any terdinator

[j0n]

you can pick up some nice LS1s for 7-8k id still take that over LT1 better motor and 1st mods i do is frame/ suspention if i get an lt1 i gotta do that and bolt on mods to get it to LSx level so 7-8k and they'll finish almost same (LT still a bit behind)

My '95 trans am convertible was purchased for $5000 and went 12.700 with $2370 worth of mods at 3700lbs. That's the price tag of a beat-up stock ls1 and certainly quicker.

[BonzoHansen]

My '95 trans am convertible was purchased for $5000 and went 12.700 with $2370 worth of mods at 3700lbs. That's the price tag of a beat-up stock ls1 and certainly quicker.

Do the later LS1 cars come with any other improvements? I understand the brakes are bigger (I could be misinformed). Anything else?

[Tru2Chevy]

Do the later LS1 cars come with any other improvements? I understand the brakes are bigger (I could be misinformed). Anything else?

Aluminum driveshafts for most LS1 cars, and the camaros got way uglier than their LT1 counterparts ;)

- Justin

[procamaroz28]

j0n thats definatly believeable but iv owned like 4 LT1s once i got into a m6 LS1 i fell in love, i know this can be fixed but for some reason the LT got incredible pick up but nothing to hold it up whereas the LS is great all around the tach. so if you can get around that, which u already did so you know what to do w/ an LT not every one spends mod money the same i would put that money first to making my car more rigid and handle better that wont make the LT beat an LS so thats why id get the better stock motor

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Do the later LS1 cars come with any other improvements? I understand the brakes are bigger (I could be misinformed). Anything else?

I believe so, a common Lt1 mod is LS1 brake upgrade.