New Camaro with less camo.....

[Tru2Chevy]

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3080&stc=1&d=1197502270

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2240

- Justin

[ar0ck]

Eh, I still don't know if I like it or not.

[12secondv6]

not bad.... still prefer the challenger

[edpontiac91]

Sorry, but it really looks BLAND. It's starting to look like a CHEAP ricer design, or a SLIGHTLY modified ORIGINAL 1967. You have waited soooooooooooo long for this car, and the WOW FACTOR is really wearing thin!!! :2cents:

[Fast92RS]

Sorry, but it really looks BLAND. It's starting to look like a CHEAP ricer design, or a SLIGHTLY modified ORIGINAL 1967. You have waited soooooooooooo long for this car, and the WOW FACTOR is really wearing thin!!! :2cents:

I have to agree. They are really behind the 8 ball on this one. Where everyone has already released there retro style car a while ago and GM made so much about this concept and are making poeple wait so long for this car I think it will be met with less sales than GM thinks they will get unless they step it up.

[Blackbirdws6]

it needs some better wheels like the bumblebee camaro...even though those were huge. Its still under camo so a better color and maybe a set of stripes will kick it up. I'll wait until I see it unveiled to pass final judgement on it.

-brian

[BigAls87Z28]

White still zaps a lot of the design. It takes away a lot of the featuers of the car...
The camo car showed more featuers...
Im still in love, just not with the white.

[WayFast84]

thats what its gonna look like? what happened to the sexiness?

[blown ta]

i seen one while i was at sema, i liked it a lot.
it looks better in person.

[Slo86Bird]

2 words..... dodge challenger.

[Savage_Messiah]

Why do people fail to realize the challenger is the most uncreative piece of automotive machinery in 40 years?

[procamaroz28]

Eh, I still don't know if I like it or not.

yea im on same page guess not really into retro... i hated it when ford did it w/ the mustang and so far i dont like how GM is somewhat following

[qwikz28]

i love it. too bad its coming out so soon. i really hope GM realizes that the new age likes gadgetry. i'd like it to have those corvette door handles and bluetooth and nav and all that stuff that sells cars. hell, even ford caught on!

if you can get a 20k dollar civic with leather, nav, and heated seats. why can't our 40k cars get that stuff?

[Fast92RS]

i love it. too bad its coming out so soon. i really hope GM realizes that the new age likes gadgetry. i'd like it to have those corvette door handles and bluetooth and nav and all that stuff that sells cars. hell, even ford caught on!

if you can get a 20k dollar civic with leather, nav, and heated seats. why can't our 40k cars get that stuff?


You are right. I think that is going to make the difference for the general buying public. Otherwise only the die hard Camaro people will be buying this car.

[12secondv6]

thats what its gonna look like? what happened to the sexiness?

SEXINESS = DODGE NEON!

[qwikz28]

You are right. I think that is going to make the difference for the general buying public. Otherwise only the die hard Camaro people will be buying this car.

and the people that like the styling and like having the new thing out there. but once all that novelty wears away, sales will dwindle. sound familiar? it should. its the tale of the 05 mustang

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

Looks exactly like every other photo Gm has released

[Savage_Messiah]

BTW this looks to me like a blown up camera phone pic. Crappy pic, crappy lighting, can't see crap, why get worked up over it? You could see more detail in the full-camo pics

[Squirrel]

i can see an epic failure coming... especially since you can pick up a loaded GT for 25k

[procamaroz28]

i can see an epic failure coming... especially since you can pick up a loaded GT for 25k

well... is camaro gonna be going for mad dough???

[Fast92RS]

i can see an epic failure coming... especially since you can pick up a loaded GT for 25k

Thats probably why it stoped selling the first time. Camaro's got to be more money than a mustang and I dont see why but mustangs sell. The Camaro has to be competively priced to make it or it will be like the GTO.

[qwikz28]

but an nissan can sell its 350z for well over 30k and outsell both... its a sad, sad world we live in.

and i do like the 350z by the way. its leaps and bounds ahead of the mustang or a 4th gen for that matter. but the fact that its better and its successor will still outsell the camaro bothers me.

[procamaroz28]

but an nissan can sell its 350z for well over 30k and outsell both... its a sad, sad world we live in.

and i do like the 350z by the way. its leaps and bounds ahead of the mustang or a 4th gen for that matter. but the fact that its better and its successor will still outsell the camaro bothers me.

Zs dont sell like mustangs (u kno i sold nissans, fords and dodge) i drove z's before theyr really not that fast and mustang got bang for buck Zs handle amazing tho, id say best handling car iv ever drove and new stangs are boat-ish

[DaSkinnyGuy]

4 words - Bring back the Firebird

[NJSPEEDER]

it is funny to hear all the negatives that some people throw around when the camaro is mentioned.

challenger? thats funny. i guess you missed the pictures of it getting pushed at teh woodward dream cruise, or the fact that it is such a heap that here we sit 6 months after the initial delivery date and none have hit the street yet, and this is all before you get to the over weight and overpriced car. is it nice looking, yes. is it built on a good riding platform, yes. is it any kind of competition in the pony car market, hell no.

mustang GT. this is another classic. the mustang gt is not 25k well equiped, it is 25k for a base V8 with only 300hp. it is also a car that does not ride very well, has a lot of interior noise, comes with half the warranty of any GM product, and isn't even quick/fast enough to beat a 2002 F-Body much less the proposed 400hp new camaro.

the 350Z is a gutless car with very cool styling. it is typical of the weight of recent generations of camaros and mustang but with the subtraction of the torque that the V8 cars enjoy. i am sorry, but having driving them before i can tell you that the 260ish ft/lbs(can't remember the exact number) is not enough to get the car going. add on the inflated price and i only see this car moving on image sales. anyone who is planning to use the car in a spirited manner, shoudl look elsewhere.

it remains to be seen if the new camaro will live up to the surrounding hype or not, but it is certainly a better car on paper than any of the direct competition. that is a good start. for a few thousands bucks more than a mustang GT and a bit less than the 350Z you get a bunch more car than either brand is offering.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

I think the 350z is not even in the same category. Doesn't look great, extremely annoying sound, and isn't any better of a performer than the Stang. At least the Camaro SHOULD be a better performer.

[qwikz28]

tim (njspeeder), pete (procamaro) and antiriceguy-

i disagree with all of you.

for one, pete said 350zs don't sell well and tim said they sell at a premium. which is it? the fact that i see far more Zs on the road says something about the sales of that car compared to the stang.

secondly, Tim, the 350z is hardly a turd. the car handles better than any factory fbody and is also far more comfortable. trust me, i've driven it. (buddy steve owns a 04 350z autotragic, meena owns a 07 stang with an intake and a shifter, and i own a 4th gen) my car has almost every suspension piece upgraded with a great deal of research put into it, and it barely outhandles the Z. its a great driving car, its just a shame its a typical hunk of crap courtesy of nissan. don't believe me that people don't care for power? look at teh rx8. 15 second ride that is selling great and is loved by track drivers and magazine writers)

thirdly, antiriceguy- what are you talking about? its not too far behind the stang in acceleration and then beats it in every other aspect.

what i'm saying is horsepower is cheap. we all know you can make any car fast or you can drive fast in any car. but a well built and well balanced machine is a whole other story. the GTO, that car had it all, but the looks and the appeal. i have a muscle car thats fun as heck to scorch the tires with. but thats me. thats not what the majority of people want. i'll sacrifice horsepower for the sake of handling, braking, and a well-manored ride. the corvette is almost there, it just needs an interior that can rival the foreigners.

[procamaroz28]

whatim saying iv sold alot more mustangs than i sold z's stangs are good for the price but nissan advertises 307hp for the z having driven the crap out of one, that is B/S the cars feels mad slow b/c it lacks serious torque, but it handles amazing... what im tryin to say is how much is the camaro gonna go for b/c the stangs are pretty strong w/ the bang for buck factor and after market parts for it are much cheaper and so abundant which is my prob w/ f bodies other than that ill take f body all day because they are the better car and theres only soo many parts ill buy

[NJSPEEDER]

jake, don't trust magazine reviews of cars. these are the same people that declared the yugo one of the best built cars in history and the honda ridgeline the truck of the year.

[qwikz28]

jake, don't trust magazine reviews of cars. these are the same people that declared the yugo one of the best built cars in history and the honda ridgeline the truck of the year.

but i have driven a Z and a stang and a 4th gen. i'm going by what i see. i see the vast majority wanting a better handling car. more hp = more gas and speeding tickets. its inevitable. and the fact that people don't care for sports cars anymore and the popularity of rich youth driving sports sedans and coupes says alot. agreed?

examples? miata, honda s2000, mini, wrx, rx8. and on the higher end: g35, lexus, BMWs, TL

[Fast92RS]

but i have driven a Z and a stang and a 4th gen. i'm going by what i see. i see the vast majority wanting a better handling car. more hp = more gas and speeding tickets. its inevitable. and the fact that people don't care for sports cars anymore and the popularity of rich youth driving sports sedans and coupes says alot. agreed?

examples? miata, honda s2000, mini, wrx, rx8. and on the higher end: g35, lexus, BMWs, TL

Dont forget the Cadillac STS and CTS

[qwikz28]

Dont forget the Cadillac STS and CTS

cts maybe, certainly no STS

[Fast92RS]

cts maybe, certainly no STS

I think the STS is a pretty hot car. The have the STS-V:drool:
http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/vseries/index.jsp?model=vseries

[Knipps]

I think the STS is a pretty hot car. The have the STS-V:drool:
http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/vseries/index.jsp?model=vseries

sorry, but if you're in high school and you're driving a caddy.. it's a grandpa's car no matter how quick it is

[maroman88]

sorry, but if you're in high school and you're driving a caddy.. it's a grandpa's car no matter how quick it is

not when i was in HS, one of the nicest cars in the lot was a CTS when they first came out, the kids dad was a caddy dealer, everyone knew what it was and liked it, now hes got a CTS-V

[Fast92RS]

sorry, but if you're in high school and you're driving a caddy.. it's a grandpa's car no matter how quick it is

I dont know about that. The high school next to were my wife works there are quite a few caddy's that the students drive.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

tim (njspeeder), pete (procamaro) and antiriceguy-

i disagree with all of you.

thirdly, antiriceguy- what are you talking about? its not too far behind the stang in acceleration and then beats it in every other aspect.



My point was that for the extra money, it better be comfier and well-appointed. Although I know I am in the minority when I say that I've ridden in an 07 GT w/only mods as SLP catback and it rode gloriously, seats were very comfy. I have yet to be in a 350z, however. If you look on Edmunds for both cars, the main complaint about the 350z is trunk space. That's kind of a major flaw in my book considering most of these cars are not weekend warriors. I can't find skidpad and such for both cars though. However, I see wayyy more modified mustangs than 350z's. They are being sold to different markets.

http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/350z/2007/consumerreview.html

http://www.edmunds.com/ford/mustang/2007/consumerreview.html

[Savage_Messiah]

the 350z is hardly a turd. the car handles better than any factory fbody and is also far more comfortable.

I've driven em too and to say I disagree would be an understatement. Not too comfortable and the thing's got no balls.

[Squirrel]

roommate has an 06 stang...car rides awesome...

[BigAls87Z28]

well... is camaro gonna be going for mad dough???

No, and no the GT isnt loaded for 25k. Loaded GT hits near 30k.
Camaro will be priced similar to the Mustang.

Thats probably why it stoped selling the first time. Camaro's got to be more money than a mustang and I dont see why but mustangs sell. The Camaro has to be competively priced to make it or it will be like the GTO.

Fbodies stop selling for probably a ton of reasons.
The GTO didnt fail because of price. GTO failed because it had a stupid badge on it. Had it been called Monaro, it would have sold out. But then, people would have bitched and said "2 doors coupe, V8, performance RWD, hood scoops...THIS SHOULD AHVE BEEN CALLED GTO, WTF IS A MONARO?"
But whatever, its over, G8 is here.

4 words - Bring back the Firebird

2 letters, No

I think the 350z is not even in the same category. Doesn't look great, extremely annoying sound, and isn't any better of a performer than the Stang. At least the Camaro SHOULD be a better performer.

Its design is your opinion, and varies. I think that the 350Z is right now the best looking sports coupe for under 35k. The Mustang, outside of the GT500, looks like a 67 left in the microwave too long, and then swelled up. Its a pig, its ugly, its heavy, it uses a suspension so similar to a third gen that GM could probably file a law suit, its interior parts feel like they should have a rubbermaid symbol on them, its truck V6 and truck V8 are horrible and have enough power because there is nothing else in the market. Its design is growing old, and it sales are falling off. People want something new, and its not "too late" for GM and Camaro. In fact, it just might be time for a change. Late to the party, but Camaro will bring the best gifts since 2002.

roommate has an 06 stang...car rides awesome...

Compared to your 4th gen, Im sure. Compare it to a 350Z, the upcoming Camaro, or any other sports coupe on market now, be it FWD or RWD, I would probably put Mustang dead last. I would even say that the 2 ton Challenger will put it to shame.

[firebirdcrazy]

During the Hot Rod Power tour the SCCA had an Autocross event. I am no professional driver, but my Bird out performed every Stang, and Z that took to the course. Here is one of my runs. It was alot of fun.


http://video.cardomain.com/clip.aspx?key=47AFDC798247AFF0

[ins0mnia24]

It looks good to me.. The power output of the LS-3 will change a few opinions..

Regardless I think it will still be a dud, retro design cars only hold the markets attention spans for a short time until the next new thing comes then the sales drop..
Just like the Mustang did..
I Hope Gm has already started the next styling for it..

[cdubbzz]

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3080&stc=1&d=1197502270

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2240

- Justin

looks like a 4,000lb Chrysler..plus if they can't keep it near 3300/3400lbs I'll never buy one...any 4th Gen Fbody knows weight + power = break everything. I'd rather get a vette.

[Tru2Chevy]

looks like a 4,000lb Chrysler..plus if they can't keep it near 3300/3400lbs I'll never buy one...any 4th Gen Fbody knows weight + power = break everything. I'd rather get a vette.

Everything I've heard (which isn't much) said they were trying to keep it at/under 3600 lbs. Not sure if that includes the convertible or not. If so, I'd consider that pretty good. I've heard of several LS1 T/A verts weighing in close to 3800 lbs, and the new car will have IRS (heavier).

- Justin

[qwikz28]

Everything I've heard (which isn't much) said they were trying to keep it at/under 3600 lbs. Not sure if that includes the convertible or not. If so, I'd consider that pretty good. I've heard of several LS1 T/A verts weighing in close to 3800 lbs, and the new car will have IRS (heavier).

- Justin

and also stronger chassis, more interior goodies, and more safety garbage. 3600# is light by todays standards

[Savage_Messiah]

Here's Settlemire's reaction: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?p=34026#post34026

OK - I know that not everyone liked the concept -- but frankly, 90+ percent DID -- and that's 'off the charts' for a new vehicle.......

For those of you who DID like the concept and Bumblebee-- you will love the production car because it's simply more svelte (Relax Charlie and Bob) than the concept.......trust me on this. (How many times do I have to say 'trust me' anyhow??????)

This was a horrible picture --

.................and it's what puts me up the wall --

.....................past the pictures...............

.........................................and on to the ceiling........

.....because some BOZO (I'm being kind here......) took it upon himself/herself to take a horribly positioned picture and put it out there for all to see. Someone not only needs to be fired -- but PROSECUTED..................and no, we didn't do this to 'leak' it.....

Had the person just simply dropped to his/her knees and taken a picture at a more realistic angle-- some would'nt be using words like 'pig' "charger" and such ........

The white color is somewhat misleading -- further, the black bras on the front and back trick the eye into seeing 'vertical' rather than 'horizontal' -- and, as others point out -- lighting is everything in terms of showing 'character' lines. (anyone who sees the Red Fiberglass and then the Silver coupe or Bumblebee will tell you that metallic paints bring out the character lines -- something you can't see in these pics...)

Guys and gals -- the production car is stunning......to the point where there is lots of emotion when you see it for the first time. (heck -- Mr. Wellburn HUGGED it!!!)


..........and while I'm in rant mode --

..............we know we'll never keep everyone happy -- but judging by the comments I read thru 2am this morning on at least 15 sites -- I couldn't be happier with the general reaction..................

Now -- to dispatch the black suburbans...........




He's got a few more posts in the thread, too

[BigAls87Z28]

looks like a 4,000lb Chrysler..plus if they can't keep it near 3300/3400lbs I'll never buy one...any 4th Gen Fbody knows weight + power = break everything. I'd rather get a vette.

Its not gunna be 2 tons. Target is 3600lbs. You just can no longer make a light weight car now that there are so many crash standards, saftey standards, standard air bags, and other electronic systems that need to keep you safe.
The Camaro team is working hard on cutting pounds, shedding weight, while still giving us a platform to build a serious performance car on. Its not like they are building a cheap compact car, they are making a performance car. I would assume that Camaro's weight will be on par with Mustang, and probably lighter when Ford adapts IRS for the next gen Mustang.

[qwikz28]

nice post kasey. settlemire is hilarious

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

IDK that I like the black door handles and the black mirriors. I havent decided how I feel about the ovedrall car though...I guess only time will tell on that one....but I do <3 the white :drool:

[Tru2Chevy]

IDK that I like the black door handles and the black mirriors. I havent decided how I feel about the ovedrall car though...I guess only time will tell on that one....but I do <3 the white :drool:

I'm going to assume that mirrors and door handles will be body color....the pics here are still camouflaged, so they do things like that so you can't see the overall look of the car.

Here's the same shot with inverted colors to show the body lines better than the white does:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3092&stc=1&d=1197555039

- Justin

[firebirdcrazy]

I would wait another yr after the Camaro comes out to see what Pontiac plans to put out to match the Camaro. If nothing comes up then a top model Red Camaro Convertible will be my choice. My understanding there may be a retro GTO in the works.

[qwikz28]

I would wait another yr after the Camaro comes out to see what Pontiac plans to put out to match the Camaro. If nothing comes up then a top model Red Camaro Convertible will be my choice. My understanding there may be a retro GTO in the works.

we already know what pontiac is doing. nothing. all the protesting from teh pontiac community won't change that

[firebirdcrazy]

What you all think of the G8? I like that fullsize sedan style, and putting down alot more horsepower then the F bodies. Probably to make up for the weight.

[MonmouthCtyAntz]

it is funny to hear all the negatives that some people throw around when the camaro is mentioned.

challenger? thats funny. i guess you missed the pictures of it getting pushed at teh woodward dream cruise, or the fact that it is such a heap that here we sit 6 months after the initial delivery date and none have hit the street yet, and this is all before you get to the over weight and overpriced car. is it nice looking, yes. is it built on a good riding platform, yes. is it any kind of competition in the pony car market, hell no.

mustang GT. this is another classic. the mustang gt is not 25k well equiped, it is 25k for a base V8 with only 300hp. it is also a car that does not ride very well, has a lot of interior noise, comes with half the warranty of any GM product, and isn't even quick/fast enough to beat a 2002 F-Body much less the proposed 400hp new camaro.

the 350Z is a gutless car with very cool styling. it is typical of the weight of recent generations of camaros and mustang but with the subtraction of the torque that the V8 cars enjoy. i am sorry, but having driving them before i can tell you that the 260ish ft/lbs(can't remember the exact number) is not enough to get the car going. add on the inflated price and i only see this car moving on image sales. anyone who is planning to use the car in a spirited manner, shoudl look elsewhere.

it remains to be seen if the new camaro will live up to the surrounding hype or not, but it is certainly a better car on paper than any of the direct competition. that is a good start. for a few thousands bucks more than a mustang GT and a bit less than the 350Z you get a bunch more car than either brand is offering.
I dont agree w/ any of that. The newer 350z's run 13.2's-13.5@105.xx-107.xx w/ anywhere from 1.9-2.2 short times bone stock , if thats not LS1 times then im not sure what is. I have owned 4 4th gen fbods and have driven in a few newer GT's and the ride was not only quieter but much smoother. The average american buyer could careless about horsepower differance's which is one big reason why the stang is still around and the fbody isnt. As soon as the electonic nanny is taken care of on the 3V GT's they run pretty evenly w/ most LS1's. Its also kinda lame to be comming out w/ a 400 hp fbod in 2009-10 when you can get that in a 2005 GTO.

[qwikz28]

I dont agree w/ any of that. The newer 350z's run 13.2's-13.5@105.xx-107.xx w/ anywhere from 1.9-2.2 short times bone stock , if thats not LS1 times then im not sure what is. I have owned 4 4th gen fbods and have driven in a few newer GT's and the ride was not only quieter but much smoother. The average american buyer could careless about horsepower differance's which is one big reason why the stang is still around and the fbody isnt. As soon as the electonic nanny is taken care of on the 3V GT's they run pretty evenly w/ most LS1's. Its also kinda lame to be comming out w/ a 400 hp fbod in 2009-10 when you can get that in a 2005 GTO.
you kinda contradicted yourself in there in response to your last sentence. horsepower is so excessive at this point. more people care about drivability and features nowadays...

[Tru2Chevy]

I dont agree w/ any of that. The newer 350z's run 13.2's-13.5@105.xx-107.xx w/ anywhere from 1.9-2.2 short times bone stock , if thats not LS1 times then im not sure what is. I have owned 4 4th gen fbods and have driven in a few newer GT's and the ride was not only quieter but much smoother. The average american buyer could careless about horsepower differance's which is one big reason why the stang is still around and the fbody isnt. As soon as the electonic nanny is taken care of on the 3V GT's they run pretty evenly w/ most LS1's. Its also kinda lame to be comming out w/ a 400 hp fbod in 2009-10 when you can get that in a 2005 GTO.

To use your own argument against you.....yea, LS1s ran those times - 10 years ago.

As for the comment about a 400hp F-body, well, maybe I just missed the big news, but when did GM announce what engines will be available in the Camaro as well as the hp numbers that they will be making?

Oh that's right, they didn't....so your comment is based on nothing but speculation.

- Justin

[Fast92RS]

I just read in Camaro performers magazine that gm will offer a couple engines in the new Camaro including a 3.6 direct injection V6, a base model v8 and a z28 type V8 making close to 500 hp. I dont know where they got this info from buts its in the new Camaro performers mag. If this is true the new 3.6 v6 makes some decent power in the new CTS with a version making 263 hp and the direct injection one making 304 hp.

[BigAls87Z28]

I would wait another yr after the Camaro comes out to see what Pontiac plans to put out to match the Camaro. If nothing comes up then a top model Red Camaro Convertible will be my choice. My understanding there may be a retro GTO in the works.

No retro GTO. I dont think that it would work well with Pontiac's image overall moving foward. Having a bunch of cars looking like the G8, G6, and Solstice...and then a modern 67 GTO?
Pontiac will bring over the Ute as teh G8 ST, a V8 only truck. I think that GM could get away with not putting on AFM in this one, so they can offer either 6spd auto or manual. Lutz is quoted as saying its like the Camaro that can hold 2 dirt bikes.

I dont agree w/ any of that. The newer 350z's run 13.2's-13.5@105.xx-107.xx w/ anywhere from 1.9-2.2 short times bone stock , if thats not LS1 times then im not sure what is. I have owned 4 4th gen fbods and have driven in a few newer GT's and the ride was not only quieter but much smoother. The average american buyer could careless about horsepower differance's which is one big reason why the stang is still around and the fbody isnt. As soon as the electonic nanny is taken care of on the 3V GT's they run pretty evenly w/ most LS1's. Its also kinda lame to be comming out w/ a 400 hp fbod in 2009-10 when you can get that in a 2005 GTO.

New 350Z ran 13.2? I have yet to see one get out of the high 13's. 350Z's are matched with the LT1 cars. Maybe driven by a solid driver, the car could get near a 98-00 LS1 auto car, but outside of that would be hard to see.
Stang is stilla round and the Fbody isnt for several reasons. It is about ergonomics, yes, but there are other things. The current GT does come pretty close to LS1 cars, but I have yet to see them hit high 12's with such frequency as the LS1 cars did.

Its not lame. Camaro will have several powerplants. Camaro will start off with a V6 engine that will probably have the same power as teh LT1 did a decade ago. You will have a V8 UNDER 400hp, then another V8 OVER 400, and then a super Camaro with an LS8 under the hood.

In all honesty, if you gave me the choice of a 400hp GTO and a 275hp V6 Camaro....Im in Camaro. I have never fell in love with any other car like I have for Camaro.

I just read in Camaro performers magazine that gm will offer a couple engines in the new Camaro including a 3.6 direct injection V6, a base model v8 and a z28 type V8 making close to 500 hp. I dont know where they got this info from buts its in the new Camaro performers mag. If this is true the new 3.6 v6 makes some decent power in the new CTS with a version making 263 hp and the direct injection one making 304 hp.

Yeah, thats pretty close, but I dont think we will see the DI 3.6 for some time. The DI motor will be exclusive to Caddy for a bit more, then go company wide, especially when everyone else is putting them into mainstream cars.