2008 East Coast F-Body Nationals - Car Show

[NJSPEEDER]

We are proud to announce the 2008 East Coast F-Body Nationals Car Show classes and awards.

The Basics

*All voting for classes, special awards, and Best of Show will be by popular ballot. Every spectator and participant in show or racing through the gate will receive a ballot in their Year One Goodie Bag

*This show is for GM F-Bodied vehicles only. No other vehicles will be allowed to park in the show field area.

*Cost to enter the Car Show will be $25 (That covers the car and the driver - additional spectators are $15 / each)

Best Of Show

Best of Show voting will result in prizes for the top 3 selections. In addition, the winner will receive a free detail from Jersey Devil Detailing.

Car Show Classes

The primary classes will divided up by generation. Winners of each of the primary classes will receive an award.

Special Car Show Awards

There will also be the usual variety of special awards to be handed out at the Nats. As with other years, we are always looking at ways to expand the number of awards handed out and ways to encourage more people to come join in the fun.

The current list of awards looks like this:

• Best of Show
• Best Camaro
• Best Firebird
• Best 1st Generation
• Best 2nd Generation
• Best 3rd Generation
• Best 4th Generation
• Best 5th Generation (you bring one & we’ll trophy it)
• Best Engine/Engine Compartment
• Best Paint
• Best Wheels
• Best Engineered/Conversion
• Best Interior

More Planning to Come

There have been many lessons learned and suggestions made from previous years. We take every suggestion seriously and look forward to providing an improved event for everyone to enjoy.

As in previous years we look to you, those interested in participating, for ideas for increasing and improving the car show. If anyone has any suggestions for expanding the awards list, potential sponsors for prizes and awards, or creating a better atmosphere for the show, please get in touch with Tru2Chevy via email, PM, or IM.

Thank you all for your interest in the 2008 East Coast F-Body Nationals. We look forward to seeing everyone out there celebrating the NJFBOA's fourth birthday at Island Dragway.

[edpontiac91]

Sounds great and looks awesome. The one HUGE FACTOR that would make it a pleasure for EVERYONE is the date. If they could fit you into September or October, or May/ June then the HEAT may not be a problem. There is no shade for the show field, and racing in that heat really takes a toll on your times. Also in the racing class, could they allow the cars that are running STREET TIRES, to NOT HAVE TO GO THRU THE WATER. It gets into the threads and can drip off onto the race surface. Getting a magazine article into something like GM High Performance Magazine will also improve the attendance. Look at the crowd that they get at Dayton, Ohio(Firebirds), but an article in Super Chevy will work for the Camaros. I think for the overall Best of Show, your could take the 1st place winner from each Gen, that's 4 from Firebird and 4 Camaro. You could then take 4 high ranking admin., and using a DETAILED judging sheet, pick the Best of the Best. One last item, getting the grass cut(a day or two before) will also allow for a nicer setting. This past year was parking in hay field. Just my :2cents:

[NJSPEEDER]

All car show voting will continue to be by popular ballet. Limiting the voting to a few judges is a breeding ground for conflict. We have looked into it in the past and the issues quickly arose that guided us away from any awards being picked by one or a small group of people.

We are working on media coverage for the event. We have some contacts at magazines that are published in the area as well a few contacts from TV shows. We are going to do our best to get them out to see what the NJFBOA has to offer.

We will take your ideas into consideration as we work out the final details of the 2008 East Coast F-Body Nationals

[Untamed]

Not sure what "Best Pace Car" is. That's just for those few model years that had a Pace Car Edition?

I'll echo the cut grass statement, but thats more for the folks at Island.

Also reiterating the desire to have the cars backed in at an angle, allowing more of the front quarters to be seen.

The show field can easily support two long rows of cars, facing nose to nose, so that spectators can easily walk down then back along the line of cars. They're parked on a first come basis right? No grouping by gens?

The first car nearest the bridge may want to park a little further away from the road that goes over the bridge. Dunno if it has ever been a problem, however I imagined kids running out from behind that first car and getting hit by cars crossing the bridge who may not be able to see very well.

If I can attend the whole event this year, I'll bring a medium sized tent for some shade, a few chairs for folks to take a break on, and for a collection box for the votes if the admin-types would like.

Looking forward to this. :)

[BonzoHansen]

I’d lobby for removing “Best In Car Entertainment”, “Best Chrome” and “Best Pace Car”. I’d argue against “Best Wheels” too. A big complaint I heard last year was there were too many categories to vote on - it was a PITA to the people voting. You already have all of this:

1. Best 1st Gen Camaro
2. Best 1st Gen Firebird
3. Best 2nd Gen Camaro
4. Best 2nd Gen Firebird
5. Best 3rd Gen Camaro
6. Best 3rd Gen Firebird
7. Best 4th Gen Camaro
8. Best 4th Gen Firebird
9. Best Camaro
10. Best Firebird
11. Best Engine/Engine Compartment
12. Best Paint
13. Best Wheels
14. Best Engineered/Conversion
15. Best Interior

And voting instructions and cutoff time need to be marked on the ballot. And we need to hide whoever is counting votes so they don't get distracted by people coming up and asking 1000 questions.

[Mike]

Sounds great and looks awesome. The one HUGE FACTOR that would make it a pleasure for EVERYONE is the date. If they could fit you into September or October, or May/ June then the HEAT may not be a problem.There is no shade for the show field, and racing in that heat really takes a toll on your times.

the event is in august becasue its the anniversary of the club being created.

Also in the racing class, could they allow the cars that are running STREET TIRES, to NOT HAVE TO GO THRU THE WATER. It gets into the threads and can drip off onto the race surface.

not as big of a deal as it seems, since they put the cone in the groove on street tire classes, there isnt room in their staging area for cars to go around the water box, atco is the same way, not everywhere can be englishtown

One last item, getting the grass cut(a day or two before) will also allow for a nicer setting. This past year was parking in hay field. Just my :2cents:

that is somthing the club has no control over its a good idea though

[edpontiac91]

I’d lobby for removing “Best In Car Entertainment”, “Best Chrome” and “Best Pace Car”. I’d argue against “Best Wheels” too. A big complaint I heard last year was there were too many categories to vote on - it was a PITA to the people voting. You already have all of this:

1. Best 1st Gen Camaro
2. Best 1st Gen Firebird
3. Best 2nd Gen Camaro
4. Best 2nd Gen Firebird
5. Best 3rd Gen Camaro
6. Best 3rd Gen Firebird
7. Best 4th Gen Camaro
8. Best 4th Gen Firebird
9. Best Camaro
10. Best Firebird
11. Best Engine/Engine Compartment
12. Best Paint
13. Best Wheels
14. Best Engineered/Conversion
15. Best Interior

And voting instructions and cutoff time need to be marked on the ballot. And we need to hide whoever is counting votes so they don't get distracted by people coming up and asking 1000 questions.

Yeah, I would go along with that. Keep it simple stupid will get a lot more people to vote on fewer "Best Of's". Also last year there was a HUGE BACKUP of traffic to get it. It seems that the "Ticket Girls" were B.S. with every guy that came thru. I asked the guards(near the small bridge)and they said it happens almost every time and it's a problem that has to addressed with Island Dragway.

[NJSPEEDER]

the smoother progress of participants and spectators into the facility is something that we are going to talk to the track about. we have a few ideas that should accelerate the process, just have to see if they jive with the protocals of Island Dragway before we can discuss them publicly.

keep the feedback coming gang!!!

[BonzoHansen]

Best 'now red formerly orange 77 Z28' of show would be a good addition.

[NJSPEEDER]

there are a few things that will help to improve the selection of awards by everyone,
#1 we will have even more cars out there this year,
#2 the show field will be a bit better organized,
#3 we are going to have a more solid time table to work from,
#4 we are fixing the vote tabulation system

i think these improvements will help a lot with the running of the car show side of the event.

[TTPMatt]

Our car will be coming out this year with a new paint scheme. I think we'll be a go for the car show and definitely for racing.

[BonzoHansen]

We haven't talked too much about show classes. Are we keeping the same classes as last year? I think we should kill these:

*Best Chrome <--is chrome even a good term anymore, w/billet, etc.
*Best In Car Entertainment <--how does one even judge this?
*Best Pace Car <--just not enough.

The voters got tired last year, too much. This list is already big.

Idea: Anyone can vote for Group A, and only power members vote for group b? Or only show car registrants voting in B? Someting like that. The list is just so long. If we did this, maybe we could keep all of them w/o overwhelming people.

Group A (11)
Best 1st Gen Camaro
Best 2nd Gen Camaro
Best 3rd Gen Camaro
Best 4th Gen Camaro
Best Camaro
Best 1st Gen Firebird
Best 2nd Gen Firebird
Best 3rd Gen Firebird
Best 4th Gen Firebird
Best Firebird
Best of Show

Group B (5)
Best Engine/Engine Compartment
Best Paint
Best Wheels
Best Engineered/Conversion
Best Interior

[edpontiac91]

All of the above sounds like a great idea! :idea: :metoo:

[Tru2Chevy]

I like your thinking Scott, but I think it would be harder to keep the ballots from PM and non-PM sorted correctly than it would to just add up votes from everyone.

- Justin

[BonzoHansen]

I like your thinking Scott, but I think it would be harder to keep the ballots from PM and non-PM sorted correctly than it would to just add up votes from everyone.

- Justin

I have an idea on that.

[Knipps]

I have an idea on that.

different ballots?
both in one for the PM and only the 11 on the other?

[BonzoHansen]

different ballots?
both in one for the PM and only the 11 on the other?

Yes. It is the distribution of the ballots that causes potential issues. Depend on who gets them, I suppose.

[Untamed]

Should be easy to collect the names of the power members, then put them on a list. The person coordinating the car show would then manually hand separate voting sheets out to whomever is on the PM list.

[zuuhlsT/A]

I would like a Best Firehawk award but I guess thats cause I happen to own one!:-P
Like the Stones said " You can't always get what you want"...

[01SS]

Two different color ballots for non-pm and pm. As for sorting during handing out the only way that would seem good is to have two lines with titles over them. And that is only if you guys have a booth wherever u hand out ballots. I dont know this will be my first time at this show if i go this year.

[Tru2Chevy]

Two different color ballots for non-pm and pm. As for sorting during handing out the only way that would seem good is to have two lines with titles over them. And that is only if you guys have a booth wherever u hand out ballots. I dont know this will be my first time at this show if i go this year.

All the ballots are in the goody bags that we hand out to people as the cars are rolling into the track. This way we can be sure that everyone at the track has one.

- Justin

[Untamed]

Last night my 5 yr old wanted to know when she'd get another chance to sit in all those cars and have her picture taken.

She's becoming quite the diva. :|

Looks like I'll be attending again this year. 8-)

And for those who don't have kids, and think about how much of a pain it must be to have them follow the parents around on a hot day, all day, just remember - a love for the hobby begins at a very early age. For those who do have kids, invest the time with your kids in relaxed, fun places like our annual meet, and they'll appreciate your hobby years from now... when they can actually hand you the correct torx wrench. :wink:

[Tru2Chevy]

Just one month to go and we have made some final revisions to the car show setup. The first post has been updated to reflect the following changes:

Price added - The cost to enter the car show is $25

Classes slimmed down - Best Chrome, Best In Car Entertainment, and Best Pace Car have been removed as discussed above. We have also decided to merge the Camaros and Firebirds from each generation, so now we will have awards for Best First, Second, Third and Fourth generation F-Body.

The final class / awards list looks like this:

- Best of Show (awards to the top 3)

- Best First Gen (awards to the top 2)
- Best Second Gen (awards to the top 2)
- Best Third Gen (awards to the top 2)
- Best Fourth Gen (awards to the top 2)

- Best Camaro (award to the winner)
- Best Firebird (award to the winner)
- Best Engine/Engine Compartment (award to the winner)
- Best Paint (award to the winner)
- Best Wheels (award to the winner)
- Best Engineered/Conversion (award to the winner)
- Best Interior (award to the winner)

[Mike]

Last night my 5 yr old wanted to know when she'd get another chance to sit in all those cars and have her picture taken.

She's becoming quite the diva. :|

Looks like I'll be attending again this year. 8-)


8-)

[Pro90rscam]

What time are vehicles allowed in on Sunday the 10th for the show and racing?

[Tru2Chevy]

What time are vehicles allowed in on Sunday the 10th for the show and racing?

Gates should open @ 11:00 am, but get their early....there was a long line last year :)

- Justin

[camaroracer1992]

damn 11 why so late?

[Pro90rscam]

I also am wondering why 11:00am? All other shows I attend start at 8:00 to 9:00am, why can't this track open earlier?

[Tru2Chevy]

damn 11 why so late?

Same as last year.....

- Justin

[1985transam]

From what I have gathered from the related threads regarding the car show:


Car Show is on Sunday August 10, 2008 at Island Dragway

Island Dragway Gate Open at 11AM, but get there early !

The $25 Car Show fee is paid at Island Dragways gate


Since this will be my first attendance to the 2008 Nationals, I just want to be sure I read everything correctly.


Thanks
Rob

[BonzoHansen]

Yes.

[The Fixer]

Now, here's a question. If there is a class for Best Engineered/Conversion, couldn't a non-F-body with a bunch of parts adapted from F-bodies be allowed to enter in that particular class? That's what Super Chevy used to do; they would allow any Ford streetrod or whatever to enter the show, as long as it was Chevy-powered.

Or would that class only be for something like an LTx or LSx-converted 1st, 2nd, or 3rd gen?

[BonzoHansen]

Now, here's a question. If there is a class for Best Engineered/Conversion, couldn't a non-F-body with a bunch of parts adapted from F-bodies be allowed to enter in that particular class? That's what Super Chevy used to do; they would allow any Ford streetrod or whatever to enter the show, as long as it was Chevy-powered.

Or would that class only be for something like an LTx or LSx-converted 1st, 2nd, or 3rd gen?<---this one

Primary general show rule is it must be an f-body car. Sorry Steve, you're out. :cry:

But I'll let you look at the T56 in my 77. :)

[The Fixer]

Primary general show rule is it must be an f-body car. Sorry Steve, you're out. :cry:

I figured as much, but it was worth a shot. ;)

But I'll let you look at the T56 in my 77. :)

Cool! I'll have to check my wife's work schedule; if she's off, I may come up to hang out with the StreetJeep.

[BonzoHansen]

You best get your ass up there!

[lt14mla]

i plan on entering the car show :)

[Pro90rscam]

So do I. Looking forward to coming out!

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/mm389/dcbcam90/pics051.jpg

[Tru2Chevy]

So do I. Looking forward to coming out!

The car is looking very clean......

- Justin

[Pro90rscam]

The car is looking very clean......

- Justin


Thanks Justin, I have done alot more to the car from the last time you have seen it.

[Blackbirdws6]

Classes sound good but as I mentioned after last year, the 4th gens might want to be broken up into the LS1 and LT1 group. Seemed to be a good idea when I mentioned it back when but guess it didn't make it into the mix.

[Pro90rscam]

I want to know if the show on Sunday Aug.10th will be held even if it rains or will the event be postponed? There is no raindate for this event correct?

[edpontiac91]

Last year it took FOREVER to get INTO the show due to one MAIN REASON. The girls at the entrance who were taking the money were BULL****TING:rofl: with every guy that was coming in. This was told to me by the guards on the little bridge just before the gates. I had mentioned this awhile ago and I was told it would be looked into. It's no fun sitting in 90 degree heat, waiting on a single lane road, in the middle of nowhere for over an HOUR just because we can't speed up the process of paying to get into the show. Also I brought up the fact that it was like parking in the middle of a hay field because the show area was not mowed at all. Can someone get this information to Island Dragway before next week:?:

[Pro90rscam]

Last year it took FOREVER to get INTO the show due to one MAIN REASON. The girls at the entrance who were taking the money were BULL****TING:rofl: with every guy that was coming in. This was told to me by the guards on the little bridge just before the gates. I had mentioned this awhile ago and I was told it would be looked into. It's no fun sitting in 90 degree heat, waiting on a single lane road, in the middle of nowhere for over an HOUR just because we can't speed up the process of paying to get into the show. Also I brought up the fact that it was like parking in the middle of a hay field because the show area was not mowed at all. Can someone get this information to Island Dragway before next week:?:

I agree, with a line that long I hope that they keep the cars moving at a good pace to get in. I myself do not want to wait in a long line due to the fact that I will be driving my car from just outside of Philly and it will be running hot enough when I get there and I sure to do want to sit in line and overheat due to people shooting the **** while entering the track. I would not worry too much if my car was trailered,but it is not and I drive the car to all show events.:nod:

[BonzoHansen]

The track has promised they will do the best they can. It is out of our control.

[BonzoHansen]

I want to know if the show on Sunday Aug.10th will be held even if it rains or will the event be postponed? There is no raindate for this event correct?

At this time there is no rain date scheduled. If this becomes a concern we will see what we can accomplish.

[Untamed]

Crash the local bar.

... at 11am. 8-)

[camaroracer1992]

one more thing to add about waiting in line is the old lady at the gate that you pay at. OMG she needs a calculator or something to do the math.......

[LTb1ow]

And what if you car doesn't idle well... stop and go traffic = bad news.

[crainholio]

If there was a show class for "Freshest Loctite" I'd be a contender this year.

My trans is undergoing a righteous buildup & getting a mix of GTO and Vette components (bigger mainshaft and gears, nicer synchros/blockers) plus the usual hi-po pieces like billet keys and bronze shifter fork pads.

Pic showing the relative sizes of the LS1 T56 mainshaft (top) versus the C5 T56 piece (bottom):

http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~davis/z28/2008/080505_C5-LS1-T56_web/pages/DCP_%20086.html

Pics of the ongoing build are at:

http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~davis/z28/2008/080731_Kev_GTO/

The trans comes back on Friday, goes in Fri night and Saturday. Sat evening cruise to the Chatterbox is my shakedown, and Island on Sunday is break-in mileage.

The guy who's building it is coming also, look for the black IROC with the evil sounding big-cube TPI engine.

[edpontiac91]

If they are NOT going to open the track up until 11:00 am, that is going to cause a LOOOOOOOOONG:rofl: waiting time for cars in back of the pack. What if you get there around 10:00, and there is a line, then they open at 11:00, you might not get on the show field until 12:00. That's at least a 2 hour possible wait. If you get there early(say 9:00)you are still going to have a TWO HOUR wait just to have Island let us in! What's the harm in letting us in early(say 10:00) to at least set up our show cars? It's not like they can have TWO LANES of cars moving up to the gate, it could be like last year and take forever. :-?

[BonzoHansen]

:deadhorse: As mentioned, we have spoken to the track regarding this matter. Gates are scheduled to open at 11 and may open a bit earlier. It is not our call.

[HardcoreZ28]

Just for my own scheduling purposes what time are you guys planning on giving out the awards and so forth on Sunday?

[camaroracer1992]

yea what time?

[BonzoHansen]

Tentative plans are voting ends 230 Awards at 330

[edpontiac91]

I realize it is beating a Dead Horse to Death:horse:, but with all the preparations and work that goes into this meeting, that by the time most of the cars get set up and then going around and voting for your favorites and talking with other club members, it is all over in about 4 hours. The real downside to some of the voting, is that cars at the tail end of the line(to get in)will have to work their ass off just to set up, and if people that get there earlier do their voting walk, they could miss cars that pull in late. Not everybody has a 15 minute trip to get to Island. For some of us, it may take WELL over an hour or more. Don't mean to sound negative but for a lot of us it's the one time we all get a chance to get together and by the time it gets going, it's OVER! :shock:

[firebirdcrazy]

Maybe its time to move this thing somewhere else for next year since this seems to be a big hassle at that drag strip

[firebirdcrazy]

How long does it take to get to Island from Edison NJ?

[Blackbirdws6]

How long does it take to get to Island from Edison NJ?

Figure an hour easy.