lots of vette ZR1 news

[GP99GT]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/chevrolet-corvette-zr1.html

i think most of its new stuff...and confirmed rumors etc

[Tru2Chevy]

Lots of great pics there...

- Justin

[GP99GT]

yeah....notice the airbox? sooo sick

[Tru2Chevy]

Yea, the skull w/crossed flags is bad-ass.

- Justin

[maroman88]

haha i noticed the air box too! sick ass carrrrr

[ar0ck]

Carbon Fiber Brakes?

:drool:

[Tru2Chevy]

Carbon Fiber Brakes?

:drool:

The rotors are carbon-ceramic....not carbon fiber.

- Justin

[ar0ck]

The rotors are carbon-ceramic....not carbon fiber.

- Justin

Whatever its rediculous

[Blackbirdws6]

wow that is awesome. Not sure if I dig the see through hood but overall it's just plain nasty.

-Brian

[Knipps]

The rotors are carbon-ceramic....not carbon fiber.

- Justin

it does appear to have a carbon fiber lip up front though ;)
http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/december2007/chevrolet-corvette-zr1-33.jpg

[Fast92RS]

I'll take one. I just have to try to sell one of my kidney's first.

[Tru2Chevy]

it does appear to have a carbon fiber lip up front though ;)
http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/december2007/chevrolet-corvette-zr1-33.jpg

Yup, along with the roof, hood, fenders, and a few other parts i believe.

- Justin

[qwikz28]

that interior is a step in the right direction for sure. take that nissan!

[NightRydaSS]

yea, it great. But...being that this is the most expensive Corvette in history, and being that the Z06 was $90K plus when it came out, this will probably be just another car that is priced so high that the only people who will be able to afford it will be the same ppl who never drive it (think Z06 on 295 doing 65 Mph). It is a waste, like the Lambo's and ect. I mean i wouldn't be shocked it is were upwards of $150K, thus making it out of reach of the exact people who will drive the damn thing.

o well, makes great eye candy tho

[PolarBear]

I know it is a prototype model but they used the "cheap" steering wheel in the car. Looks cool though, I wonder if LS9 swaps are played out yet.....

[slugger27nj]

:drool: <------ That about sums it up.

[BigAls87Z28]

yea, it great. But...being that this is the most expensive Corvette in history, and being that the Z06 was $90K plus when it came out, this will probably be just another car that is priced so high that the only people who will be able to afford it will be the same ppl who never drive it (think Z06 on 295 doing 65 Mph). It is a waste, like the Lambo's and ect. I mean i wouldn't be shocked it is were upwards of $150K, thus making it out of reach of the exact people who will drive the damn thing.

o well, makes great eye candy tho


Z06 started at 68k, loaded was 72k. 90k?
ZR1's price is expected to be around 100k.

Pretty much every rumor about the car turned out to be true, outside of a DSG type trans. Magnaride shocks, supercharged 6.2 making over 600hp, and lots and lots of carbon fiber along with ceramic brakes.

I guess I gotta change my sig...

[SteveR]

The car looks really nice. Im not digging the transparent hood though. Other than that it looks great. Hopefully GM wont do what Ford did with the shelbys and make 7000 a year, call them rare, and demand 10-15k over MSRP, like the GTs too.

[BonzoHansen]

Zoinks!
http://picsorban.com/upload/gmgraph.jpg
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/hotnews/0801phr_supercharged_ls9/index.html

http://images.popularhotrodding.com/hotnews/0712phr_01_z+chevrolet_corvette_supercharged_ls9+. jpg

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1022913#post1022913 that's what I've found.

Looks absolutely amazing.

[Teds89IROC]

:drool: this car is amazing. I wonder when they'll have to stop making more power. What I mean is when the government steps in and says "no, this car has too much power for the street"

[Rich189]

I'll take 2 please

[BonzoHansen]

I'll take 2 please

You are greedy...:-P

[Ian]

:drool: this car is amazing. I wonder when they'll have to stop making more power. What I mean is when the government steps in and says "no, this car has too much power for the street"

you can buy a veyron, they have over 1000 hp.

[Featherburner]

You are greedy...:-P
True....but I like the way he thinks.

[BonzoHansen]

True....but I like the way he thinks.

Absolutely. Greed, for lack of a better term, is good.
http://www.adhurl.com/uploads/gordon%20gecko-thumb.jpg



Will the ZR1 be a 1-year wonder?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22340556/

[NightRydaSS]

Absolutely. Greed, for lack of a better term, is good.
http://www.adhurl.com/uploads/gordon%20gecko-thumb.jpg



Will the ZR1 be a 1-year wonder?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22340556/

sun-of-a....:twisted:

[NightRydaSS]

damn tree huggers

[NightRydaSS]

they said that car might go for arounf $100K; yea until that "adjusted for market value" "Tax" gets applied. The GT500 was supposed to be; what $45K , and it was going for like $65K? The Ford GT's MSRP was $150K and it was going for like $250K. So if the tree huggers don't eff things up, that b/s will.

[BonzoHansen]

they said that car might go for arounf $100K; yea until that "adjusted for market value" "Tax" gets applied. The GT500 was supposed to be; what $45K , and it was going for like $65K? The Ford GT's MSRP was $150K and it was going for like $250K. So if the tree huggers don't eff things up, that b/s will.

No, when cars get to the $100k area, a dealer tack-on $20k is no deterrent. They won't make that many anyway - short supply will keep $$ up. This is as much PR as anything. Much different from dealers adding $5-$10k to a solstice or the upcoming camaro - cars meant for the (more or less) masses. That is bad.

[Frosty]

About the price. This car is NOT targeted for some of the people that can afford a $40-50K vette. This car is targeted for the people looking to spend $250K+ on a supercar. Of course we haven't seen a lot of actual real world testing but if the looks and specs perform as they should this will put GM back on the map in the high end car world. This car is shaping up to outperform cars costing 3 times as much.

A big FU to the Europeans :D

I didn't think that was a window, I thought it was for the intercooler fins. I'm not really digging the window, if they're going to give it a Ferrari type look then make the window bigger.

[nj96z28]

i was waiting till 2012 to buy new camaro...now i buy new zr1 for double the price...... im druuuunk

(2012--give em some time to work out the bugs)

[NightRydaSS]

well i guess ill just continue to work on my "backyard super car"

[chrisfrom nj]

looks good

[SteveR]

they said that car might go for arounf $100K; yea until that "adjusted for market value" "Tax" gets applied. The GT500 was supposed to be; what $45K , and it was going for like $65K? The Ford GT's MSRP was $150K and it was going for like $250K. So if the tree huggers don't eff things up, that b/s will.

The Ford GT was built out to be a $90k car. But Bill Ford jr. wanted it to be in Ferrari's market and to somehow beat Ferrari, so he increased the MSRP to $140k. Then Ford decided to do holdbacks on the car and only offer dealerships limited numbers to limit supply on a high demand. Then the dealerships in order to screw the customers as much as possible, raised the price of the car to around 170-200k. So, with each car sold, the dealership was profiting anywhere from $35k to $70k on each car, and Ford, since the build cost was so low on the car already, was profiting over $50k per car. Why anyone would buy a car over MSRP is beyond me. They're already marked up 4-8k to begin with. I'm sure GM will do the same thing and morons will be buying a 100k car for 150k or more. The problem is that theres no regulation. Further b/s is the gas guzzler tax. Somehow it only applies to sports cars, and not gas guzzling trucks. What makes it even more stupid is that the government taxes the manufacturer that makes the car, not the consumer for buying it, but the manufacturer doesnt want to pay it, so they pass that bill off to the dealership, and they sure as heck arent paying it, so they in turn slap it on the window sticker. Uncle Sam wants to get paid, so guess whos paying that bill.

[NightRydaSS]

yea, you buy a car for $50K more then it is MSRP'd for and guess what the insurance company does to u when you need a claim. Or; if you decide to sell the car you have to eat that markup.

[BonzoHansen]

yea, you buy a car for $50K more then it is MSRP'd for and guess what the insurance company does to u when you need a claim. Or; if you decide to sell the car you have to eat that markup.

Oh to have the problems of the rich man, LOL

[1972LT1]

Zoinks!
http://picsorban.com/upload/gmgraph.jpg
http://www.popularhotrodding.com/hotnews/0801phr_supercharged_ls9/index.html

http://images.popularhotrodding.com/hotnews/0712phr_01_z+chevrolet_corvette_supercharged_ls9+. jpg

Look at that dyno sheet....2 words for you Dodge.....SUCK IT!!!!

[SteveR]

thats a nice looking motor! Two things immediately come to mind, first, those exhaust manifolds look like they probably flow pretty good, and it might be a real PITA to change plugs on that :lol:

[1972LT1]

The Ford GT was built out to be a $90k car. But Bill Ford jr. wanted it to be in Ferrari's market and to somehow beat Ferrari, so he increased the MSRP to $140k. Then Ford decided to do holdbacks on the car and only offer dealerships limited numbers to limit supply on a high demand. Then the dealerships in order to screw the customers as much as possible, raised the price of the car to around 170-200k. So, with each car sold, the dealership was profiting anywhere from $35k to $70k on each car, and Ford, since the build cost was so low on the car already, was profiting over $50k per car. Why anyone would buy a car over MSRP is beyond me. They're already marked up 4-8k to begin with. I'm sure GM will do the same thing and morons will be buying a 100k car for 150k or more. The problem is that theres no regulation. Further b/s is the gas guzzler tax. Somehow it only applies to sports cars, and not gas guzzling trucks. What makes it even more stupid is that the government taxes the manufacturer that makes the car, not the consumer for buying it, but the manufacturer doesnt want to pay it, so they pass that bill off to the dealership, and they sure as heck arent paying it, so they in turn slap it on the window sticker. Uncle Sam wants to get paid, so guess whos paying that bill.

Totaly true. The MSRP might be 90k for the ZR1,but the dealers might ask 110k and theres nothing GM can do about it' otherwise they violate anti-trust laws. Thats why I'm worried @ the Camaro, GTO, G8, and Monte Carlo. For example...GM needs to produce 80-100k v6 and v8 Camaros per year to keep the line running. GM can tell dealers that,but they can't tell them what to sell them for. Weather a car keeps going is up to the dealers greed.

[NightRydaSS]

Totaly true. The MSRP might be 90k for the ZR1,but the dealers might ask 110k and theres nothing GM can do about it' otherwise they violate anti-trust laws. Thats why I'm worried @ the Camaro, GTO, G8, and Monte Carlo. For example...GM needs to produce 80-100k v6 and v8 Camaros per year to keep the line running. GM can tell dealers that,but they can't tell them what to sell them for. Weather a car keeps going is up to the dealers greed.

anti-trust laws. i don't understand, it is GM's product

[PolarBear]

anti-trust laws. i don't understand, it is GM's product

Yeah, they make Saturn a no haggle thing......

Should say, I dont understand either

[BonzoHansen]

anti-trust laws. i don't understand, it is GM's product

IIRC, price fixing comes under anti-trust laws. MSRP = Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Pricing. If GM forced the dealers all to have the same price (goes for lower as well as higher) that is considered price fixing. Maybe one of our lawyers will chiime in.

[Tru2Chevy]

IIRC, price fixing comes under anti-trust laws. MSRP = Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Pricing. If GM forced the dealers all to have the same price (goes for lower as well as higher) that is considered price fixing. Maybe one of our lawyers will chiime in.

Then how do they get away with it at Saturn dealerships?

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

About the price. This car is NOT targeted for some of the people that can afford a $40-50K vette. This car is targeted for the people looking to spend $250K+ on a supercar. Of course we haven't seen a lot of actual real world testing but if the looks and specs perform as they should this will put GM back on the map in the high end car world. This car is shaping up to outperform cars costing 3 times as much.

A big FU to the Europeans :D

Bingo. Its designed and equiped to match supercars on power and equipment for 1/2 the price. And it does.

The Ford GT was built out to be a $90k car. But Bill Ford jr. wanted it to be in Ferrari's market and to somehow beat Ferrari, so he increased the MSRP to $140k. Then Ford decided to do holdbacks on the car and only offer dealerships limited numbers to limit supply on a high demand.

The GT was always going to be a high dollar, super low volume niche car.

Then the dealerships in order to screw the customers as much as possible, raised the price of the car to around 170-200k.

Whos screwing who? Its the law of supply and demand. Ferrari's dont go for sticker. Neither do lambos or any other high end super car. Lots of people spend a lot of money to get them. Hell, to buy a Ferrari, you have to have had one already just to get on a list! They practicly force you to buy a used one first, and to get on a list, the wait is 2-3 years depending on the car. The 599 is up to 4 years now I think. The only car that you can get for sticker and less then 6 months is the 612.

I'm sure GM will do the same thing and morons will be buying a 100k car for 150k or more.

GM has zero control over what dealers charge.

The problem is that theres no regulation.

There is regulation, the regulation is that GM cannot price fix the car by forcing dealers to make people pay that price. It is illegal.

Further b/s is the gas guzzler tax. Somehow it only applies to sports cars, and not gas guzzling trucks.

Trucks and Cars are classified differently by the EPA. Trucks have a much lower CAFE score then cars do. What was awesome about the Z06 is that it made 505hp, and no gas tax untill the EPA reformulated and lowerd the Z06's mpg.

Totaly true. The MSRP might be 90k for the ZR1,but the dealers might ask 110k and theres nothing GM can do about it' otherwise they violate anti-trust laws. Thats why I'm worried @ the Camaro, GTO, G8, and Monte Carlo. For example...GM needs to produce 80-100k v6 and v8 Camaros per year to keep the line running. GM can tell dealers that,but they can't tell them what to sell them for. Weather a car keeps going is up to the dealers greed.

Correct, GM cannot tell dealers what to sell the car at. They can suggest, but not force.
Will the Camaro have major price gouging when it comes out? You can bet on it. Can GM avoid this? They sure can do some things about it like limit number of cars allowed to be sent to the dealer.
Pontiac has not learned its lesson and will gouge the G8 GT and the G8 ST when it comes out. They had GTO's, they adjusted price near 40k, and they sat on lots.
Solstice, got adjusted prices over 30k. They kept selling, but now have a 120 day supply as supposed to the Sky which is at 50 or so.
And Monte Carlo? MC is dead.

IIRC, price fixing comes under anti-trust laws. MSRP = Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Pricing. If GM forced the dealers all to have the same price (goes for lower as well as higher) that is considered price fixing. Maybe one of our lawyers will chiime in.

Exactly

Then how do they get away with it at Saturn dealerships?

- Justin

Saturn as well as Scion dealers skate around it some how, and I forget. They do have to sign a contract when they open up a new franchise that they will stick to MSRP.
I dont think I have ever seen any market adjustments on a Sky or anything like that. There have been reports of some on the internet, but none around here.

[1972LT1]

AL I thought Chevy had the Camaro & Monte and Pontiac had the G8 and GTO so there wouldn't be competition....ie ('Bird vs Camaro). What does Chevy have? If it's a v8 Lumina;Cavalier;Cobalt or Malibu I want one!!!!!!

[Jersey_TA]

MMMMMM I want one 8)

[BigAls87Z28]

AL I thought Chevy had the Camaro & Monte and Pontiac had the G8 and GTO so there wouldn't be competition....ie ('Bird vs Camaro). What does Chevy have? If it's a v8 Lumina;Cavalier;Cobalt or Malibu I want one!!!!!!

Monte is dead as of this past model year. The Monte, current Impala, Grand Prix, and LaCrosse are all built at the Oshawa plants, which are slowly being turned into the future home of Camaro.

Monte is dead. GTO is still 50/50 right now. Holden might want to invest more into the new upcoming Alpha platform, and with all the new EPA regulations, a lighter and smaller RWD platform will help GM to get those numbers. Alpha will be used by Pontiac mostly, Caddy will get a small 3 series sedan/coupe, and possible other divisions across the globe. Alpha could also spawn 6th gen Camaro.

[maroman88]

AL I thought Chevy had the Camaro & Monte and Pontiac had the G8 and GTO so there wouldn't be competition....ie ('Bird vs Camaro). What does Chevy have? If it's a v8 Lumina;Cavalier;Cobalt or Malibu I want one!!!!!!

there hasnt been a lumina or cavy in yeeeaaarrss

[qwikz28]

there hasnt been a lumina or cavy in yeeeaaarrss

theres a lumina overseas. its coming here soon too! its called the G8!

[Tru2Chevy]

theres a lumina overseas. its coming here soon too! its called the G8!

That car (the Lumina SS) is on the same platform as the 04-06 GTO....

- Justin

[maroman88]

theres also a caprice!

[BigAls87Z28]

That car (the Lumina SS) is on the same platform as the 04-06 GTO....

- Justin


Neg, the current Lumina is off of the VE platform, and is in fact just like our G8.
The old Lumina was in fact off VY/VZ, which was the GTO as well as the Commodore.

The Caparice is off a larger version of VE called WM.