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stevethepirate
12-20-2007, 01:19 PM
this is a poll that someone from another forum im on set up. right now its basically just going around different car forums.

http://www.whodoyouwantforpresident.com/

Tru2Chevy
12-20-2007, 01:44 PM
Heh....looks like Ron Paul is running away with the Republican vote.

- Justin

stevethepirate
12-20-2007, 02:43 PM
yeah, but in reality he has like 2% or something, lol.

GP99GT
12-20-2007, 03:28 PM
colbert!

qwikz28
12-20-2007, 04:12 PM
mccain. he is a good man

BonzoHansen
12-20-2007, 04:30 PM
colbert!

+1 :nod: When is this god forsaken writers' strike gonna get settled?!?!?

ar0ck
12-20-2007, 09:18 PM
Anyone but Hillary & Obama.

bubba428
12-20-2007, 09:22 PM
I haven't decided yet...none of them really seem to fit what I feel we need as a president.

I'm note voting for ANY democrat. I keep an eye on what they're bickering about but my vote will most likely go to a republican. The problem with the democrats is they can stop fighting within they're own party. Thats like putting a man with a nervous disorder in charge. Not to say republicans are perfect, they're to damn gung-ho to change something. What that something is seems to be a mystery to me.

Heres how I'm deciding my vote

My 1st priority for a president is someone who has a clear cut plan to safely exit Iraq and leave a strong national government in place.

Next is education, we need to spend money on raising the level of education in our nation. We have the most intelligent people in the WORLD right here. But the ratio of genius to dumbass is dismal. Obviously lengthening the school day is making matters worse, "No child left behind" is an abomination, and the intelligence levels and teaching skills of the average teacher are laughable. We need to elect a candidate that will spend money on researching new teaching methods that WORK.

The next big issue is gun control. I'm for a system that is simple and effective. What needs to happen is every gun should be fitted with a tracking device that will send a 911 signal to a police hub if removed. the restrictions that stand now should be left in place. Now do me a favor, Forget about your feelings on guns, forget about your political aliance and think like a criminal. Now you need a gun, your going to rob a near by store. You can purchase a gun at a licensed dealer, or you can talk to that shady guy you met in a bar the other day. Your going to go for the guy from the bar. Todays laws require a Firearms ID card to purchase a weapon at a dealer. To acquire one you have to be finger printed at a local police station and pass a background check. ANY...ANY...ANY felony automatically disqualifies you, and any drug or violent misdemeanor will also. So now your going to get the black market gun that is not traceable back to you. Therefor defeating ANY law put in place. who do gun laws effect and in some cases hurt, law abiding citizens.
Article [II.]
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

part 1 A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State
meaning a militia if our state need it

part 2 the right of the people to keep and bear Arms
meaning the right to own a weapon and use it

part 3 shall not be infringed.
meaning the government can not take away the afore mentioned rights in any degree or limit or inhibit the right to own a weapon


Next on my list of things to rant about, Health Care. National NO, Government assistance for senior citizen, absolutely. I'm talking about a %80 assistance for any medical related cost to anyone over 55.

Now on to Illegals, catch em, send em back. Increase border control, which creates jobs for Americans.

Out sourcing, Offer American companies Tax deductions for every 100 American citizens they employ.

alright thats all I can think of for now. like I said thats what I want, and I'm voting based on THAT not who's from where or who gets slammed less. thats it.

Savage_Messiah
12-21-2007, 04:56 AM
The problem with the democrats is they can stop fighting within they're own party.


I stopped reading here because it shows how rediculously, incredibly naive and behind the times you are. The republicans are the current indecisive bickering queens here.

bubba428
12-21-2007, 06:27 AM
I stopped reading here because it shows how rediculously, incredibly naive and behind the times you are. The republicans are the current indecisive bickering queens here.

well the problem is people that read one line and base they're opinion from that. If the democrats are so "together" why couldn't they change anything when they took the majority in congress.

Tru2Chevy
12-21-2007, 09:26 AM
mccain. he is a good man

:stupid:

- Justin

alamantia
12-21-2007, 09:31 AM
mccain. he is a good man


+1 here

Knipps
12-21-2007, 11:45 AM
colbert!

+1 :nod: When is this god forsaken writers' strike gonna get settled?!?!?

:stupid:

johnjzjz
12-21-2007, 06:04 PM
I stopped reading here because it shows how rediculously, incredibly naive and behind the times you are. The republicans are the current indecisive bickering queens here.

its more like you dont have a real answer to anything , all the far left web sites you aspire to has is smear and verbs and at 20 something being as worldly on political issues as i had seen you answer in the past FFFFFqqqqqqq
and child like answers like that are sure to follow --


To those who fought for it --------------
Freedom has a taste the protected will never know

GP99GT
12-21-2007, 09:52 PM
add colbert to the poll dammit

JohnG
12-21-2007, 11:06 PM
a vote for Hilary gets Bill back in the White House.

best president this country ever had.

yeah, getting a blow-job is far worse than sending the country into record-setting deficits to fund a war that was launched based on lies

but wait -- after monica, all you Righties still love going ape**** about Whitewater.

OK then, explain this to me, right-wing geniuses: because you folks wanted to nail Bill Clinton on whatever you could (or couldn't) find on him (so much for "you have to respect the president and support him because he's the president, and if you don't you hate America, right?), we the taxpayer spent millions and millions of dollars on a four-year partisan witch-hunt called "the Whitewater investigation" which was supposedly an investigation about how Bill and Hillary did something wrong LONG BEFORE they got to the White House...in a real estate deal they LOST money on.

Fine.

recently we had republican Speaker Dennis Hastert making at least $1.5 million in a blatantly ******** real estate deal, by buying some cheap boondock farmland, then passing a pork-barel bill to subsidize a highway running by it, then presto, a few months after it passes, cashing out and selling to a developer and making $1.5 million profit PERSONALLY (let alone his partners.)

This, of course, is no big deal, and there was no investigation, of course. And anyone who wonders if, maybe, this is, like, ******** ...is gonna get called a Saddam-loving tree-hugging liberal faggot traitor, right?

Why is that, exactly? Is being a Republican politician like having a license to steal and defraud the taxpayer? Maybe you're proud of this kind of "honesty and integrity" thing?

Or are you idiots just so damn stupid that you don't have an opinion about anything until Denny "hey, it's only $1.5 million, what's the big deal" Hastert, or Rush "lock up all drug addicts other than me" Limbaugh, or Ann "I support terrorism and hate American victims of terrorism" Coulter tells you what to think?

Or is it that you couldn't give a crap about any politician's scams so long as they are the particular guys whose pictures you kiss at night, and not the other ones?

Any explanation would be appreciated, though I won't hold my breath, since the righties only know how to say "liberals hate America!!!" and that's about the extent of your abilities to communicate on any subject whatsoever.

johnjzjz
12-22-2007, 08:36 AM
to all those who served in the military we see the far left as for what they are

our special forces CO gave us a Quote on the way home and it is as follows :

When you men get back home and face an Anti War protester , Look him in the eye and shake his hand :THAN wink at his girlfriend because she knows shes dating a pussy

Savage_Messiah
12-22-2007, 01:41 PM
to all those who served in the military we see the far left as for what they are

our special forces CO gave us a Quote on the way home and it is as follows :

When you men get back home and face an Anti War protester , Look him in the eye and shake his hand :THAN wink at his girlfriend because she knows shes dating a pussy


It's funny... my dad served multiple times and was in Vietnam... and is about as far left as they come. Stop being so damn ignorant, it just makes yourself look like a dumbass.

Firebird67dude
12-22-2007, 02:16 PM
I want a president that is going to let me "GET SOME!!!!"


ooooohhh rah!!!!



2 weeks and two days to go!!!

johnjzjz
12-22-2007, 02:37 PM
It's funny... my dad served multiple times and was in Vietnam... and is about as far left as they come. Stop being so damn ignorant, it just makes yourself look like a dumbass.

as i had said before name calling is the answer when you have no answer

and as for dad a Vietnam vet welcome home to him and Merry Christmas

many of the vets i know at the VA hospital are liberals, we as a group have a way with each other that cant be explaind , most were in the rear with the gear, but not all - we shair something in common you wont get so talking about it is a waste of time


all you have to do to start a fight is talk about politics or religion -- jz

Slow 88
12-22-2007, 07:38 PM
a vote for Hilary gets Bill back in the White House.

best president this country ever had.

yeah, getting a blow-job is far worse than sending the country into record-setting deficits to fund a war that was launched based on lies

but wait -- after monica, all you Righties still love going ape**** about Whitewater.

OK then, explain this to me, right-wing geniuses: because you folks wanted to nail Bill Clinton on whatever you could (or couldn't) find on him (so much for "you have to respect the president and support him because he's the president, and if you don't you hate America, right?), we the taxpayer spent millions and millions of dollars on a four-year partisan witch-hunt called "the Whitewater investigation" which was supposedly an investigation about how Bill and Hillary did something wrong LONG BEFORE they got to the White House...in a real estate deal they LOST money on.

Fine.

recently we had republican Speaker Dennis Hastert making at least $1.5 in a blatantly ******** real estate deal, by buying some cheap boondock farmland, then passing a pork-barel bill to subsidize a highway running by it, then presto, a few months after it passes, cashing out and selling to a developer and making $1.5 million profit PERSONALLY (let alone his partners.)

This, of course, is no big deal, and there was no investigation, of course. And anyone who wonders if maybe this is, like, ******** ...is gonna get called a Saddam-loving tree-hugging liberal faggot traitor, right?

Why is that, exactly? Is being a Republican politician like having a license to steal and defraud the taxpayer? Maybe you're proud of this kind of "honesty and integrity" thing?

Or are you idiots just so damn stupid that you don't have an opinion about anything until Denny "hey, it's only $1.5 million, what's the big deal" Hastert, or Rush "lock up all drug addicts other than me" Limbaugh, or Ann "I support terrorism and hate American victims of terrorism" Coulter tells you what to think?

Or is it that you couldn't give a crap about any politician's scams so long as they are the particular guys whose pictures you kiss at night, and not the other ones?

Any explanation would be appreciated, though I won't hold my breath, since the righties only know how to say "liberals hate America!!!" and that's about the extent of your abilities to communicate on any subject whatsoever.


I couldn't say it any better! Bravo!

JohnG
12-22-2007, 07:40 PM
Message from a Marine

During the entire history of the United States, a flag-draped coffin has been a symbol of pride and courage.

Why has the Bush administration been trying to deny that brave men and women are offering their lives to fight for their country in this war ? Why are these deaths an embarrassment ? And why is the GOP trying to make the display of these proud coffins a political issue ?

Is it because these soldiers are dying in a poorly devised war of absolutely no consequence ?

What an amazing disaster we have created.

By invading Iraq, we have destroyed Iran's greatest natural enemy. We have turned a nation that was opposed to al Qaeda into a haven for al Qaeda.

We have demonstrated that the United States is a depleted military force that must call upon its National Guard to fight international wars and cannot successfully occupy a small desert nation.

This can only have emboldened North Korea and Iran, and it has cost us the lives of thousands of our brave soldiers, countless billions of dollars, and international respect.

President Bush would undoubtedly ask, "but aren't you glad that Saddam is no longer in power ?"

Honestly, if I could place Saddam back in power and undo this war, I would do it in a micro-second. Saddam was not worth the loss of a single precious American life. He never was.

Iraq was never a direct threat to us. In truth, it was an enemy of al Qaeda. It was the only nation in the region with a secular leader.

As for those of you who are rabidly calling each other "libs," "Repukes," and "Dumbocrats..." You are immature and ignorant...truly unsophisticated and stupid. However, your conduct is evidence of a government that has been cold, divisive, and unable to bring us together as a nation.

I am entirely convinced that Congress and this Administration have become too partisan, dishonest, and corrupt to be effective.

I want fresh people in office.

I want people who are willing to put country before party or self-interests.

I want people in office with no agenda other than to manage this great nation effectively, and without drama.

I will not vote to re-elect any incumbent in the next elections, even incumbents who seem like nice people. I will especially not vote for anyone who has been involved with Rove, Frist, Bush, Cheney, Rice, Delay, or members of any Congress who have supported them.

Am I a "liberal" you ask ? No, I am a conservative.

How could a conservative take such a position, you ask ?

Well...

There is nothing conservative about not protecting our borders.

They are wide open.

There is nothing conservative about spending billions of dollars stubbornly
beating up Iraqi's while ignoring true threats of terrorism.

Terrorism is a global enterprise that has very little to do with Iraqi's.

There is nothing conservative about reducing Veterans' health benefits.

There is nothing conservative about deciding to not honor international
treaties, many which were drafted by Reagan and Ford.

There is nothing conservative about cutting federal matching funds to police departments, reducing local police forces, and allowing immature gang punks to vandalize our cities, control our streets, and kill more innocent citizens than the 9-11 terrorists could have dreamed of.

There is nothing conservative about proudly violating the 6th Amendment to the Constitution, and ignoring the 10th.

There is nothing conservative about lowering taxes and then engaging in such out-of-control spending that we needed to raise the national debt ceiling to try to make it appear that we are financially secure.

There is nothing conservative about creating tax incentives to "outsource" our best jobs to The People's Republic of China.

There is nothing conservative about demonstrating shockingly weak military strategy, and not providing adequate armor for our troops.

We need a change.

For the sake of the nation, we need a change quickly.

...Paul

Husband, Dad, Cop, American Vet
3rd Battalion, 5th Marines, Vietnam

Slow 88
12-22-2007, 07:50 PM
to all those who served in the military we see the far left as for what they are

our special forces CO gave us a Quote on the way home and it is as follows :

When you men get back home and face an Anti War protester , Look him in the eye and shake his hand :THAN wink at his girlfriend because she knows shes dating a pussy

I am by no means an Anti-War bitch BUT, if you are in a war that is NOT DOING A DAMN THING FOR THIS COUNTRY (EXCEPT) WASTING TAX DOLLARS AND FATTENING THE REPUBS WALLETS AND KILLING OUR MEN AND WOMEN FOR NOTHING!!! Then I guess you could call me a PUSSY protestor!!!!! Please, do tell me what exactly are we doing over there in Iraq anyway again? Because it seems that you have all of the answers and it is always something positive for the republican party...

JL8Jeff
12-22-2007, 07:52 PM
Arguing over politics isn't worth it because there are no decent politics anymore. It doesn't matter who gets in what office. Industry controls everything and politicians are pretty much puppets. It doesn't matter if you're liberal or conservative, democrat or republican. It's always us vs them whichever "side" you choose to be on. We truly need more than 2 parties to have any hope. The people in office who choose to go to war get yelled at and blamed. The people in office who do nothing and allow the "bad guys" to build up strength get yelled at and blamed as well. I have not heard a single candidate with a reasonable or realistic approach and each seems to be missing pieces to the big puzzle. We need to work together and not take sides.

Firebird67dude
12-22-2007, 07:59 PM
I'm just gunna write in my vote.

who for?

No one cuz I'll be too busy training to protect your guys freedom to say whatever you want, your freedom to be allowed to vote.


Your Welcome.

johnjzjz
12-22-2007, 08:26 PM
I am by no means an Anti-War bitch BUT, if you are in a war that is NOT DOING A DAMN THING FOR THIS COUNTRY (EXCEPT) WASTING TAX DOLLARS AND FATTENING THE REPUBS WALLETS AND KILLING OUR MEN AND WOMEN FOR NOTHING!!! Then I guess you could call me a PUSSY protestor!!!!! Please, do tell me what exactly are we doing over there in Iraq anyway again? Because it seems that you have all of the answers and it is always something positive for the republican party...

well i will try to answer with no political motive but one cant when what you accuse the united states of doing is throwing the lives of the soldiers that are protecting your rights to be un informed about what is really going on - KILLING OUR MEN AND WOMEN FOR NOTHING
that is what you said so am i to understand you dont think we should have done anything after 911 - like Clinton did when 200 so Marines were killed in Beirut or after our Navy was attacked SS COLE and saylors died - what was the death of thos men forgetthat he did Nothing that son imbolden the irak goverment and no WMDs so i guess all of his own people he gassed was a ruse as well as 911 -- get off the far left web sites and look around your being snowed and it wont end up real tilll they come looking for you if you dont -- jz

Slow 88
12-23-2007, 02:28 AM
that is what you said so am i to understand you dont think we should have done anything after 911


Oh! absolutely something had to be done BUT when it happened it was a terrorist cell NOT IRAQ who commited the attack so, once again you have not given me a definitive answer....

johnjzjz
12-23-2007, 08:34 AM
that is what you said so am i to understand you don't think we should have done anything after 911


Oh! absolutely something had to be done BUT when it happened it was a terrorist cell NOT IRAQ who committed the attack so, once again you have not given me a definitive answer....

as with all answers if its nore than 20 words no one reads it WILL YOU

and you have turned it around i agreed with what our country did after 911 and BTW both sides passed the bill in the congress and the senate 2/3 rd vote min and their were only a few far left loonies in the mix

this is the same thing ( opinions about what to do ) that started in 1939 and they were left un checked ( it was a terrorist cell NOT IRAQ ) that was not in the exact words was said about Germany's Gestapo < a fringe group according to the liberal press - than it spread and japan attacked us as well -- History bears out the Roman army was after the world was in their power and no one could attack anyone ( Peace as achieved ) and the Italian liberal government decided to control the rules of engagement the rest is history sound filmier < desk generals


this is the position the left takes in this country show me in the numbers how i am wrong


1. You have to be against capital punishment, but support abortion on
demand.

2. You have to believe that businesses create oppression and
governments create prosperity. the rightie fat wallets thing

3. You have to believe that guns in
the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than U.S.
nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese and North Korean
communists, or Iran for that matter and no WMDs were found but Saddam gasses thousands < banned after the first world war

4. You have to believe that there was no art before Federal
funding. why do i have to pay for some ********* to paint Jesus in piss in a picture paid for with yours and my taxes protected by the ACLU hello

5. You have to believe that global temperatures are less affected by
cyclical documented changes in the earth's climate and more
affected by soccer moms driving SUV's. and Christmas light put up by towns YEA it was in the paper reason they banned lights in that town

6. You have to believe that gender roles are artificial but being
homosexualis natural, and making my grandkids in jersey read my 2 Mommy's and me HELLO

7. You have to believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of
federal funding, if you read the paper at all you know this is true

8. You have to believe that the same teacher who can't teach
4th-graders how to read is somehow qualified to teach those same
kids about sex and hand out condoms to 11 year olds - YEA


9. You have to believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony
activists who have never been outside of San Francisco do, and now that the forest is saved and the spotted owl is in vast numbers we can use them to wipe with i guess because their will be no more paper with their plan

10. You have to believe that self-esteem is more important than
actually doing something to earn it, LIKE a job instead of welfare inner city empowering of the youth yet 75 percent of black kids under 25 years old are in jail or in the system on their way HELLO teach them not programs about no worth

11. You have to believe that Mel Gibson spent millions of his own
money to make The Passion of the Christ for financial gain only, its what was written in the New York times article about the movie at least 15 times page one and two

12. You have to believe the NRA is bad because it supports certain
parts of the Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports
certain parts of the Constitution. way far left of center u agree or not

13. You have to believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are
too high, Mrs Clinton's answer to this question re distribution of funds i think was the tern

14. You have to believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem
are more important to American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E. Lee, Thomas Edison and Alexander Graham Bell, George Washington have all been put out of our school system American History is a dirty word

15. You have to believe that standardized tests are racist, but racial
quotas and set-asides are not, go apply for a job as an educated white kid and see what happens

16. You have to believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and is a
very nice person, now she is smiling and going out into the crowds to ge=reet people with her MOM so warm and fuzzy don't you think

17. You have to believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked
anywhere it's been tried is because the right people haven't been
in charge, the DMC has a lock on this one or have you not been watching


18. You have to believe conservatives telling the truth belong in
jail, but a liar and a sex offender belonged in the White House, what was it said the greatest president we ever had WOW

19. You have to believe that homosexual parades displaying drag
queens,transvestites, and bestiality should be constitutionally
protected, and manger scenes at Christmas should be illegal, and drag queens going into a church and receiving i am not even going their its just to far had i been their they would have blead just like Christ did

20. You have to believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by
the Chinese Government is somehow in the best interest of the United States you do know the china guy is dirty and corrupt and the greatest president signed the favored trading agreement with them YEA right its repubs that benefited

21. You have to believe that it's okay to give Federal workers the
day off on Christmas Day but it's not okay for them or anyone else to say "Merry Christmas." in a public building YEA

Last but not least,

22. You have to believe that this message is a
part of a vast, right wing conspiracy and some how its not that my eyes are open and i do read both sides to get my opinions and they are just that opinions BUT if a lefty does not see anything i said his way i get a label not and answer no open forum with ideas and you asked for it and didn't read it no wonder the divide is so deep -- jz

Slow 88
12-23-2007, 12:44 PM
Well, I guess you'll never give me a straight answer so I'm done with this because no one will ever come to an agreement with politics...

Merry Christmas johnjzjz !!!!!!!!

Jim

johnjzjz
12-23-2007, 12:51 PM
Well, I guess you'll never give me a straight answer so I'm done with this because no one will ever come to an agreement with politics...

Merry Christmas johnjzjz !!!!!!!!

Jim

you want to start a fight talk about politics or religion

Merry Christmas to you and yours as well --- JIM

Frosty
12-23-2007, 12:56 PM
Guiliani if he gets the nod.

If not him then I'll write someone in. I will not vote for any of the Democrats on the ticket. Call me ignorant or close-minded, I don't care. Hillary is nothing more than a puppet. She needs to stay in the kitchen and let the big boys run things. She can't keep her story straight(ala John Kerry). I don't want nationalized healthcare, sorry. I'm already paying for Shaniqua and her 5 crack babies to get medical care. Obama? No thanks. Edwards? Yeah lets get a wreck-chasing lawyer in office.

:sigh: Another election with a lot of talk and probably no action.

johnjzjz
12-23-2007, 01:38 PM
Guiliani if he gets the nod.

If not him then I'll write someone in. I will not vote for any of the Democrats on the ticket. Call me ignorant or close-minded, I don't care. Hillary is nothing more than a puppet. She needs to stay in the kitchen and let the big boys run things. She can't keep her story straight(ala John Kerry). I don't want nationalized healthcare, sorry. I'm already paying for Shaniqua and her 5 crack babies to get medical care. Obama? No thanks. Edwards? Yeah lets get a wreck-chasing lawyer in office.

:sigh: Another election with a lot of talk and probably no action.

as i second that --- its a shame the dems who could make it happen, guys like Joe L - wont run because having themselves and their familys draged throught the mud buy a bum or bumette with all untruths -- jz

Firebird67dude
12-23-2007, 01:55 PM
I'm going to right in my rifle's name. Or even better the Commanding ofiicer of the UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS.

chemicalstylez
12-23-2007, 08:57 PM
whoever wins the republican card is my vote.

stevethepirate
12-24-2007, 01:09 AM
mcclain is going to get the republican card. i would vote for giuliani... but he is too far behind.
i dont have a problem voting for a democrat. i will vote for anyone if i think they will do a good job. the two party system sucks. all it does is encourage people to label themselves as a democrat or a republican, and then vote accordingly. very few people actually think about the issues at hand/what we need as a president, and vote based on that.
hilary is terrible. my parents are die hard liberals, and they even hate her. obama... whatever, he lacks experience but in my opinion, has good ideas. kucinich isnt terrible either.

i WILL move if hilary or huckabee get elected.

Slow 88
12-24-2007, 02:21 AM
I myself wish that Ron Paul had a chance........

stevethepirate
12-24-2007, 11:12 AM
trust me, no you dont. ron paul is naiive as can be. he is thinking very idealistically. either he himself doesnt understand the international system, or he is assuming that the voters dont and that they will vote for him because they dont know any better.
ron paul would be a good leader for switzerland... or canada!

Ian
12-24-2007, 04:35 PM
trust me, no you dont. ron paul is naiive as can be. he is thinking very idealistically. either he himself doesnt understand the international system, or he is assuming that the voters dont and that they will vote for him because they dont know any better.
ron paul would be a good leader for switzerland... or canada!

and I suppose you understand the international system better? do you also support the north american union? [/devils advocate]

Frosty
12-25-2007, 03:04 PM
NAU=teh devil

GP99GT
12-25-2007, 03:07 PM
i still say colbert

JohnG
12-25-2007, 04:29 PM
Ron Paul is this election cycle's equivalent of Howard Dean, i.e. a nutcase

the best candidate (who doesn't have a chance) is Bill Richardson.
what he was able to accomplish out in NM is pretty impressive...

12secondv6
12-25-2007, 05:49 PM
me!

ar0ck
12-25-2007, 10:07 PM
:dancinglock:

stevethepirate
12-25-2007, 11:01 PM
and I suppose you understand the international system better? do you also support the north american union? [/devils advocate]

im not going to say i understand it better... but i can look at what he says he will do, and see how it will end up in a destroyed country! and no, i dont support the north american union.

(i am an international relations major btw... so not saying i know better than him, but this is what i study. a lot of the candidates deal more with the legal aspect rather than the foreign relations stuff and seeing how what they do will affect the country)

sinistr
12-26-2007, 01:37 AM
McLovin :mrgreen:

mtnhopper1
12-26-2007, 02:24 PM
:dancinglock:

:stupid::horse::horse::horse::horse::horse:

We've already seen what happens when you try to have a discussion with closed-minded ignorance. I'm all for giving diverse views a forum, but we know how quickly it will degenerate into name-calling and "your momma" insults.

mtnhopper1
12-26-2007, 02:40 PM
as with all answers if its nore than 20 words no one reads it WILL YOU
[...]

Last but not least,

22. ...my eyes are open and i do read both sides ... they are just that opinions ... i get a label not and answer no open forum with ideas and you asked for it and didn't read it no wonder the divide is so deep -- jz

I'd like to buy you a Kwanzaa gift... TOLERANCE

I'm surprised to see someone so closed-minded express sympathy with being labeled and ignored.

johnjzjz
12-26-2007, 03:33 PM
I'd like to buy you a Kwanzaa gift... TOLERANCE

I'm surprised to see someone so closed-minded express sympathy with being labeled and ignored.

Its called Maturity in the real world --