Twin turbo LS1 64 Chevelle teaser

[JL8Jeff]

I hope Jody doesn't get mad about me posting these pictures, but he just posted them over at Camaros.net so I doubt it. Gotta love the full frame cars! I think he said the injectors and fuel rails are on the inside of the runners to clean things up. He's not sure how he's going to mount the coils yet.

http://www.camcojb.com/malitude%20189.jpg

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[unstable bob gable]

Gee, another low buck build. :-? Honestly, I'm sick of all those guys and their bottomless wallet projects. Like that one guy Swynjunhasababa Patel, or SW, or whatever he is called. Everytime you'd open a car mag a while back you'd see another of his megabux cars. Then another. Then another. Then the guy had the balls to go on PT.Com and ask opinions of what he should get built next. That ain't the real world in my opinion. Letz hear the stories about the guys working 2 or 3 jobs, or living at work for the OT to afford a decent project.

[NJSPEEDER]

couldn't agree more bob.

not gonna say that these big buck cars aren't beautiful, just not as interesting as most of the cars built by privateers that i see at shows. not having a budget seems to bring out the best in engineering and improv to make things work or look cool instead of just opening whatever catalog and ordering up the latest, shiniest, mega-buck, whatever piece.

[nj96z28]

one of the things i want to do b4 i die is very similar to this setup ... only diff is itll be a 70 or a 71 chevelle.... of course id have to win the lotto then find a sucker to build it for me :)

[JL8Jeff]

But without the megabucks guys having these cars built, a lot of the parts engineered would never make it to the market and the low buck guys would have no chance of ever getting their car done because the parts wouldn't exist. Lets face it, the chances of a regular guy doing something innovative and different before the megabucks guys do is slim to none. What difference does it make who builds a car or has a car built? It could have been a rusted out shell that was getting crushed and is now turned into a great automobile. Without magabucks guys, there would be no such thing as Dominion heads!

[NJSPEEDER]

dominian heads were designed and built a way to win races, that is a little different than dropping off a check to foose and picking up a car 6-12 months later.
people who have cars built, i can't give any credit to. writing a check is no automotive achievement.
credit goes to shops and individuals that come up with new ideas, new ways to do things, and more tricking looking parts.

[JL8Jeff]

Yeah, but those shops wouldn't exist without the guys writing the checks. And without those shops there wouldn't be the cool, new parts they design. It's just like the classic car dealers that we all hate. They run the prices up trying to make a living but without them buying the cars, most of the cars would never get restored.

[unstable bob gable]

I'm coming out of the AMC world, where there ain't any parts existing, period, rich guys or no rich guys. I know what it is like to make my own poly leaf spring bushings out of a piece of raw poly, forming 'em with a bench grinder and belt sander! And that is for a part that wouldn't have cost a lot if it existed. So, there is no trickle down theory for me.
But I will say that I have a helluva lot more respect for a Jeff H Z28 resto then a megabux G-Machine guy hot rod. 'Cause I know first hand what Jeff H went through to do the car, and a lot of time and sweat were involved, along with bux.

[BonzoHansen]

I believe he is bulilding the car himself. I know he is a very knowledgible guy, he is in the car business in some capacity, I forgot how right now. I'm sure he is working sponsor deals, but I don't think that is that bad.

Man, tough crowd. To me expensive cars are like Playboy centerfolds. Only rich men can afford them. But I still like to look at them. :)

[NJSPEEDER]

Yeah, but those shops wouldn't exist without the guys writing the checks. And without those shops there wouldn't be the cool, new parts they design. It's just like the classic car dealers that we all hate. They run the prices up trying to make a living but without them buying the cars, most of the cars would never get restored.

without rich guys writing checks, it would just be left to the race teams to make parts. no biggie, that is where most of the functional innovation that all the overpriced custom shop stake credit for came from anyway.

[SteveR]

Lets face it, the chances of a regular guy doing something innovative and different before the megabucks guys do is slim to none.

Its not the megabucks guys vs. the DIY guys IMO. Its the individual. If one person has vision, attention to detail, and style, then I dont really care if its a six figure Foose car or a home built rod. If someone has creativity and vision, then with some time and luck, they move up. Foose didnt start out @ 14 making megabucks rides, he moved up based on his talent, vision, and attention to detail (and some help from dad). I personally like the DIY cars more, but I really appreciate a car that was built with no limitations and the full vision is realized to the best of the designers ability. Its guys like Codington that piss me off. People that build cookie cutter, half assed, crate motor, no creativity interiored, plain exteriored, kit cars, then have the nerve to charge six figure for them. Theres more talent, creativity, dedication, and motivation found in places like OlSkoolRodz.com, and Hotrodders.com than all of Boyd's shop.

[SteveR]

Yeah, but those shops wouldn't exist without the guys writing the checks. And without those shops there wouldn't be the cool, new parts they design.

I will partially agree with that. There are a few guys out there that spend a lot of time designing parts for other shops and for the public. Jesse James is a good example. WCC produces a lot of the tins found on other companies custom bikes. Even the guys at OCC use a lot of WCC parts.

[BonzoHansen]

Its not the megabucks guys vs. the DIY guys IMO. Its the individual. If one person has vision, attention to detail, and style, then I dont really care if its a six figure Foose car or a home built rod. If someone has creativity and vision, then with some time and luck, they move up. Foose didnt start out @ 14 making megabucks rides, he moved up based on his talent, vision, and attention to detail (and some help from dad). I personally like the DIY cars more, but I really appreciate a car that was built with no limitations and the full vision is realized to the best of the designers ability. Its guys like Codington that piss me off. People that build cookie cutter, half assed, crate motor, no creativity interiored, plain exteriored, kit cars, then have the nerve to charge six figure for them. Theres more talent, creativity, dedication, and motivation found in places like OlSkoolRodz.com, and Hotrodders.com than all of Boyd's shop.
+1 :nod:

[SteveR]

As per the pics of the car, It looks nice. I see a few issues with it though. First, those tires SUCK. I had them on the Hawk and hated them. The turbo inlets are going to be right up on the radiator so getting a good cold intake charge isnt going to be easy, the outlets are pointing right down on the frame, and the exhaust outlets are going to be right on top of the A-arms and starter.

[bad64chevelle]

Gee that frame looks familiar. Id like to see some more pics of what they do with the rest of the vehicle.

[Kat]

I agree. That is going to be one sick car when it is done.

[JL8Jeff]

I think these pictures are a mock up to check the fit of the turbos and headers. No way he would be running the turbos lined up like that. The car is actually the Malitude that was built by Mark Stielow. Jody is redoing the drivetrain and the motor should be capable of 1400 hp but he doesn't plan to run it at full power. He is also a great source to buy slightly used parts from. When he changed direction on the drivetrain, he put up his other turbo header setup for sale at a reduced price and it was all new parts. I personally don't like those tires either.

[Featherburner]

First, those tires SUCK. I had them on the Hawk and hated them.What kind of tires are they?

[1QWIKBIRD]

I think these pictures are a mock up to check the fit of the turbos and headers. No way he would be running the turbos lined up like that. The car is actually the Malitude that was built by Mark Stielow. Jody is redoing the drivetrain and the motor should be capable of 1400 hp but he doesn't plan to run it at full power. He is also a great source to buy slightly used parts from. When he changed direction on the drivetrain, he put up his other turbo header setup for sale at a reduced price and it was all new parts. I personally don't like those tires either.

I lost all respect for that dude Stielow after his one of his 69 Camaros (I think it was the Thrasher or the Mule, he's done so many 69's). I forget which mag followed the build, but the articles were dripping with attitude and had a very overbearing sorta tone. The only way is his way, blah, blah, blah. The car was built and finished with the goal being to win One Lap of America. Well after it was determined that his original motor didn't have enough balls he put together a new bullet, all aluminum 427 SBC (IIRC) and when he finally hit the track, he proceeded to blow the thing up. That's fine, **** happens, but in the mag all that was mentioned was a small little 4 line blurb in the corner notes. The way I see it, if you are claim to be a top builder and preach down to everyone that will listen, then you better tell the whole story and eat some humble pie every now and then.

**** that dude.....

He'll never top R.J. Gottblieb's Big Red Camaro.....that was the car that started it all......

here's link, scroll to the bottom

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?p=576678


Chris

[WildBillyT]

But without the megabucks guys having these cars built, a lot of the parts engineered would never make it to the market and the low buck guys would have no chance of ever getting their car done because the parts wouldn't exist.

Absolutely. You beat me to it. I own some of the parts you are speaking of, and nobody would have come up with this stuff if there wasn't a demand.

[BonzoHansen]

I lost all respect for that dude Stielow after his one of his 69 Camaros (I think it was the Thrasher or the Mule, he's done so many 69's). FWIW, I met Mark on Power Tour and he seemed like an OK guy, at least as much as I could tell in a 10 minute conversation.

[qwikz28]

What kind of tires are they?

looks like toyo proxis to me

[PolarBear]

What kind of tires are they?

Yokohama AVS Sports

[SteveR]

The Chevelle is in the new issue of PHR

[BonzoHansen]

Some updates.

well, bought a new camera so this is catch up from this weekend. Basically, got the carpet done, console in, rear seat, door hardware and mouldings, and since painter Jim was over looking for new scratches............... :D I had him help me mount the hood.

http://www.camcojb.com/temp/malitude 671.jpg

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[unstable bob gable]

"IF I WERE A RICH MAN...deedle, deedle, deedle, deedle, deedle, de..." :roll:

[BonzoHansen]

"IF I WERE A RICH MAN...deedle, deedle, deedle, deedle, deedle, de..." :roll:

Hell yeah, if I hit the lottery look out. Sure beats spending $100k+ on a porsche or bmw, huh?

[SteveR]

At least its tastefully done and not some Coddington plastic '34 Ford I guess.

[unstable bob gable]

Hell yeah, if I hit the lottery look out. Sure beats spending $100k+ on a porsche or bmw, huh?

I was being quite sarcastic...just alluding to another rich guy from Pro-Touring.Com with another gadzillion buck car in his collection...

[ar0ck]

Must be nice... Must be nice

[BonzoHansen]

I was being quite sarcastic...just alluding to another rich guy from Pro-Touring.Com with another gadzillion buck car in his collection...

Why begrudge a guy doing his own build of an American classic? So the guy is doing well and has some cash to spend. Why is that bad? It's not an import. It's not a checkbook-call-me-when-it's-done job. It's not a phony 34 ford fiberglass wonder. So should all American cars be scratched together on the cheap? Why can’t we just look at a nice car and appreciate it and maybe pick up some tricks here & there?

What about the guy sinking 100k into a number matching restore, or even a ‘tribute’ car? They bad too?

I'm not pointing this at you Bob, more in general. I see it all the time and I think it is weak and disingenuous. If any of us suddenly came into a bunch of cash I am pretty sure we’d all build that car we’d want and not put some kind of cap spending cap it. Hell, I think that is not only un-American, it’s down right Communist! Build it bigger-better-faster! Now that is American!

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/bla/lowres/blan11l.jpg

[unstable bob gable]

Why begrudge a guy doing his own build of an American classic? So the guy is doing well and has some cash to spend. Why is that bad? It's not an import. It's not a checkbook-call-me-when-it's-done job. It's not a phony 34 ford fiberglass wonder. So should all American cars be scratched together on the cheap? Why can’t we just look at a nice car and appreciate it and maybe pick up some tricks here & there?

What about the guy sinking 100k into a number matching restore, or even a ‘tribute’ car? They bad too?

I'm not pointing this at you Bob, more in general. I see it all the time and I think it is weak and disingenuous. If any of us suddenly came into a bunch of cash I am pretty sure we’d all build that car we’d want and not put some kind of cap spending cap it. Hell, I think that is not only un-American, it’s down right Communist! Build it bigger-better-faster! Now that is American!

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/bla/lowres/blan11l.jpg

Yeah, it ain't directed at me...but it shows up right after my post. How ****in' stoopid do you think I am? I can begrudge any mother ****er I want...those mega buck guys don't live in the same world as me. From what I saw, that Chevelle was a pretty high line car b/4 big bux Jody got his mitts on it. He didn't pull it outa a junkyard, work 3 jobs to build it, or live on god dayum Cup of Noodles to save money for the next bling, bling, billet part. So, you tell me when I should start up my respect o' meter. And from what I see, those mega bux guys ain't just rolling it out with one car...they have 'em lined up. So again, when should I start up the respect o' meter? And if yer nosey ass needs to know, it ain't about the bux. I have a couple of dollars rapped up in my project, like my ****in' heads that go for over 7 g's, if ya can even get your hands on a set. I'm also working with a car that I have a 13+ year history with. I had to use my car as a daily driver for some time, because it was all I had running to get my azz to work so I could make a buck to keep the project going. I also used it to get my azz to job 2 so I could keep some bucks coming in. And while I was working those Saturdays at parts stores when I woulda rather been working on the car I was dealing with all those big buck azzholes who really weren't fit to shine my Doc Martens. So again, when should I start up the respect o' meter? Don't go pointing your god dayum finger at me, or tell me that I'm un American. You're ****ing with the wrong guy, Chief...

[BonzoHansen]

No, there are a number of posts in this thread alluding to the money, yours was just most recent. But I stand by my thoughts, I just don't understand the animosity towards big $$ cars. The guy takes an American car and builds it to the Nth degree and people feel the need to rip it because it costs money??? At least this one will be driven - he's taking it on power tour. It's no queen.

Since you got defensive..."it ain't about the bux."....you basically did say it was about the money:

"IF I WERE A RICH MAN."......."just alluding to another rich guy from Pro-Touring.Com with another gadzillion buck car in his collection"

But it's now it's not the money, it's the fact he hasn't owned it for many years? I've only owned my Z a few years, is that bad? Or he didn't live on cup o noodles or work 5 jobs at once? I don't know the guy's back story, nor do I care. If he has the $$ to do that, chances are he earned the $$ in one form or another. Good for him. If a guy has money for a few, is that bad?

I never once said anything about respect, not sure where that came from. I don't care if the owner is a great guy or a complete jerk. All I said was don't hate a car because there is a lot of cash in it, because that is a constant tone in threads like this. And I find that disingenuous.

Pull your panties out of the bunch they are in. :lol: BTW, I was being sarcastic about the Communist thing. I thought you might pick up on that, lol.

Feel free to hate the owners, but love the American Muscle.

[chrisfrom nj]

looks great

[unstable bob gable]

No, there are a number of posts in this thread alluding to the money, yours was just most recent. But I stand by my thoughts, I just don't understand the animosity towards big $$ cars. The guy takes an American car and builds it to the Nth degree and people feel the need to rip it because it costs money??? At least this one will be driven - he's taking it on power tour. It's no queen.

Since you got defensive..."it ain't about the bux."....you basically did say it was about the money:

"IF I WERE A RICH MAN."......."just alluding to another rich guy from Pro-Touring.Com with another gadzillion buck car in his collection"

But it's now it's not the money, it's the fact he hasn't owned it for many years? I've only owned my Z a few years, is that bad? Or he didn't live on cup o noodles or work 5 jobs at once? I don't know the guy's back story, nor do I care. If he has the $$ to do that, chances are he earned the $$ in one form or another. Good for him. If a guy has money for a few, is that bad?

I never once said anything about respect, not sure where that came from. I don't care if the owner is a great guy or a complete jerk. All I said was don't hate a car because there is a lot of cash in it, because that is a constant tone in threads like this. And I find that disingenuous.

Pull your panties out of the bunch they are in. :lol: BTW, I was being sarcastic about the Communist thing. I thought you might pick up on that, lol.

Feel free to hate the owners, but love the American Muscle.

U "never said anything about respect?" What is this, then? "Why begrudge a guy doing his own build of an American classic?" Isn't "begrudging" the act of "DIS-respecting," which is the opposite of "respect?" You tell me, and talk outa whatever side of your piehole you want. And just for the record, I don't hate the car. I thought it was pretty dayum nice in it's first big buck incarnation. But a guy shaking another couple of 100 gs into an already 100+g car ain't gonna get me to ask for his autograph or label his ****in' theme song as "My way" about his "own build." I also don't mind the 800 million Pro-touring 69 Cameros with twin turbo LSxs that those "movers and shakers" are building. But I'm gonna call it as I see it, and follow the bouncing middle finger to a big "tuff ****" if you don't like it. Defend 'em all you want, but don't try and tell me that it's the "reality" side of car building. You have a morgage, car payments, bills for the kid's stuff, and maybe an occasional night out w/ the wife, right? The Camero sits on the side when 'lil Bonzo needs a pair of shoes or his Little League sign up fee is due, right? Well, THAT is the "reality" of car building!

[BonzoHansen]

That is my reality, yes. But not everyone's. And the thread is about the car not the owner. I could begrudge you for not having little Bobs so you can spend more money on cars then I can, but I don't. I'm very happy you are getting the AMX where you want it and you're getting the Buick fixed right - that all rules. Life is too short to get mad at those things.

And the Chevelle is pretty neat - we obviously agree on that. That is my basic point, if a thread is about a car, so say yay or nay to what you like or don't about the car, but cash spent is irrelevant to the car at hand. Cash spent alone is no reason to make sarcastic comments - now poorly spent cash, say lambo doors on a PT Crusier, then that is something to goof on!


Oh yeah, I see what you mean about begrudge & respect. I never read it that way, but I understand why you would. But I meant it in more of the classical definition.

be·grudge –verb (used with object), -grudged, -grudg·ing.
1. to envy or resent the pleasure or good fortune of (someone): She begrudged her friend the award.





You still love me Bob? :cheers:

Hey, the Yanks won.

[PolarBear]

when 'lil Bonzo needs a pair of shoes or

:rofl: