A Diesel Camaro: What do you think?

[BigAls87Z28]

What do you think? With CAFE getting hiked up to 35mpg for all of GM, a diesel engine could help Camaro achieve over 35mpg while maintaining performance.
GM is going to put the new 2.9 TDI V6 in the VE Holdens. They make 250hp adn 406ftlbs of torque. VE and Zeta are pretty much the same, it would make for an easy drop in, and a good 35mpg performance machine
GM also has its brand new 4.5 Duramax diesel. This engine will go into half ton pick ups and suv's. It has a brand new design where the cylinder heads are reverse,t he intake on the outside and the exhaust towards the center. The car will have no manifolds as the air will come right over the top of the valves on the intake side. It will fit in the same area as any current SBC. Its rating will be 350hp and 520ftlbs of torque.

So, which do you think would be cool?

[bubba428]

as long as its a turbo diesel, I guess thats not the worst they could do to it

[Knipps]

as long as it's not weak, i don't really think i'd have a problem what it ran on

[Tru2Chevy]

I can't say I would definitely buy one, but it would be nice to see either/both. Anything to help make diesel more mainstream is for the better....

- Justin

[procamaroz28]

why not dot not having a hidh reving tach will prob get to some of us

[EchoMirage]

say that in english?

[qwikz28]

say that in english?

not having a high revving tach will probably get to some of us

i did the best i could

[12secondv6]

No.

Granted.... I am a fan of diesel technology. I just turned in a 08 R320 CDI and saw a best of 34.5 mpg...... with more consistent 32 mpg and an average of about 30 mpg on long trips.

[SteveR]

Not a bad idea, but diesel prices are a lot more than gas.

[damon_Z]

Good info in the original post.

I do like the 4.5 liter diesel V8 idea. The rating is only at 350 HP, but the most important thing when it comes to real world driving is the 520 ft-lb torque--that's what you'll feel. And most of the time, peak horsepower will only be felt at the higher RPM's. Also, there will always be aftermarket parts to increase the horsepower rating. I've also heard that diesel engines are a lot more durable than regular, non-diesel engines. And I would gladly pay the extra price for diesel gas.

[firebirdcrazy]

Are you talking about a new camaro with a diesel? Or installing a diesel into one of the F body Camaros? The civilian Hummer 6.5 liter diesel engine would be an ideal candidate to drop into a camaro. That would be some project to try out if someone had the time to do it.

[trashman01]

Are you talking about a new camaro with a diesel? Or installing a diesel into one of the F body Camaros? The civilian Hummer 6.5 liter diesel engine would be an ideal candidate to drop into a camaro. That would be some project to try out if someone had the time to do it.
i hope ur talkin the H2 version as the H1 one only has 200hp and aint a real screamer

personally i say do it, cuz the aftermarket would explode, remember a programmer comes in 5 flavors from 30hp to 150hp and an extra 200-300lb ft. and nothing would be better then a ricer gettin lost in a cloud of soot

[9C1]

Sounds like a good idea to me. Again, HP doesnt matter as much as torque. HP is more like the force that makes your engine want to keep reving faster whereas torque is really what propels the car forward. The amount of crankshaft turning energy.

[Frosty]

A diesel motor in a Camaro, no matter how powerful it is, doesn't sound right. I don't know...if it'll help keep it around for a while then I guess it's a good thing but...it doesn't sound right lol

[BigAls87Z28]

Are you talking about a new camaro with a diesel? Or installing a diesel into one of the F body Camaros? The civilian Hummer 6.5 liter diesel engine would be an ideal candidate to drop into a camaro. That would be some project to try out if someone had the time to do it.

The 6.5 is a hunk of ****. The 6.6 Dmax Diesel that is in the H1 Alpha is a great engine. Problem is it is a very heavy, expensive, and large engine.
And im talking about in the new Camaro. The 4.5 and 2.9 are the only two diesel engines that would fit that are also currently in the stable. Teh 4.5 might be too tall though, but its a thought.

i hope ur talkin the H2 version as the H1 one only has 200hp and aint a real screamer

personally i say do it, cuz the aftermarket would explode, remember a programmer comes in 5 flavors from 30hp to 150hp and an extra 200-300lb ft. and nothing would be better then a ricer gettin lost in a cloud of soot

H2 does not have a diesel option, only gas. The standard H1 uses the old GM diesel.

A diesel motor in a Camaro, no matter how powerful it is, doesn't sound right. I don't know...if it'll help keep it around for a while then I guess it's a good thing but...it doesn't sound right lol

It could keep it around as well as be a big seller in Europe and Australia, where they are planning to put the car.

[Tru2Chevy]

Not a bad idea, but diesel prices are a lot more than gas.

Yea, but diesel motors get way better milage. My brother just bought an 05 Ram 3500 quad cab long bed with the Cummins....he averaged 22.8 mpg on the way home doing 80 mph on 295 for an hour. My Aunt's 05 Ram 1500 standard cab, long bed Hemi has gotten a best of 15.2 on the highway. Both trucks are 4x4 automatics.


The 6.5 is a hunk of ****. The 6.6 Dmax Diesel that is in the H1 Alpha is a great engine. Problem is it is a very heavy, expensive, and large engine.

The H1 Alpha only got the D-max for it's last year, every other H1 diesel sold by GM had the POS 6.5L.

- Justin

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

I'd like to see one, but I don't know if I would personally get it.

[88Z-Man]

Call me old school or behind the times, but a sports car is not a sports car without a V8 gas engine. So no to the diesel.

[BigAls87Z28]

Call me old school or behind the times, but a sports car is not a sports car without a V8 gas engine. So no to the diesel.

Yeah...a little behind the times.
http://www.totalmotorsport.com/Features/Cars/Storage/Audi-R10-Fside-2006.jpg

[mudjnky]

How about this one:
http://www.trucktrend.com/features/consumer/163_0612_gmc_duramax_racing/index.html

Not a sports car, but equally impressive

[WildBillyT]

Call me old school or behind the times, but a sports car is not a sports car without a V8 gas engine. So no to the diesel.

The Germans would have you think otherwise. And I'm talking about much more than the Audi posted above.

[Teds89IROC]

Tough choice. Diesels smell like **** and they don't sound good (compared to a V8 gas engine) On the other hand, better gas mileage while maintaining power are all a plus. :shrug:

[bandit88]

i'd buy a camaro diesel...... gas milage FTW

[firebirdcrazy]

I used to fix these hummers in the USMC and it was only till 1998 that the the Hummer A1 as we called it was upgraded from 1 1/4 ton to the Hummer A2 2 1/4 ton with the 6.5 liter diesel allen and 4 speed overdrive tranny. And what a difference it was compared to the old 6.2 liter and 3 speed tranny with no park or overdrive. The difference in power and performance was incredible and the fuel economy depending on the tires and how it was driven reached 25 miles per gallon. Not bad for such a heavy truck. Put that engine in something half its weight and sleek you have one economical vehicle. And another reason for having a diesel engine you cant kill it. If well taken cared of you can get 250,000 miles no sweat.

[r0nin89]

6/8 cyl diesels are way too heavy for the front end of a performance car. A turbo 4cyl cummins makes enough power for a lightweight car.

Put a 6.5 diesel in a camaro and try to not do donuts all day.

[Tru2Chevy]

Tough choice. Diesels smell like **** and they don't sound good (compared to a V8 gas engine) On the other hand, better gas mileage while maintaining power are all a plus. :shrug:

That's a thing of the past....

- Justin

[r0nin89]

Yeah they started removing something from the diesel, I forget exactly what it is but the stuff is now more refined than it was a few years ago.

Although the downside to that is that older diesel motors are now suppose to get an addative to every tank due to this. Lack of lubrication on some diesel specific part. One of my teachers was telling me it cost him a $1700 bill on his 99 cummins. Guy said if he didnt use the addative hed be back in 3 years for the same thing and same bill.

[Tru2Chevy]

Prolly something to do with the Ultra Low Sulfur diesel that they sell now.

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

The Germans would have you think otherwise. And I'm talking about much more than the Audi posted above.

True, Germans are making big moves with the diesel engines. You can probably get Boon or James in here to talk about the BluTec diesels from MB.
The Dmax is a very smooth engine for 360hp and 660ftlbs of torque.
The BMW 335d is also a very fast car.

6/8 cyl diesels are way too heavy for the front end of a performance car. A turbo 4cyl cummins makes enough power for a lightweight car.

Put a 6.5 diesel in a camaro and try to not do donuts all day.

Well, traditional engines are. The 2.9 is actually a small package, and the new 4.5 engine was designed to fit in the same area as a small block chevy by reversing the cylinder heads, putting the intake to the outside and ht exhaust towards the middle. Weight is an issue, which is why a small 2.9 would go awesome in a Camaro.

[r0nin89]

Yeah but I'm a cummins fan and still stand by the fact that to reach the full potential of a diesel it needs to be an inline engine.

Cummins vs duramax/powerstroke - Cummins is making the same, if not more power from 2 less cylinders and with better mileage.

I'd like to see the weight on these newer diesels though. If companies push for these kinds of breakthrough you will see diesel become cheaper than gas. Its like that nearly everywhere else in the world.

PS: I thought it was sulfur but wasnt sure...

[BigAls87Z28]

Yeah but I'm a cummins fan and still stand by the fact that to reach the full potential of a diesel it needs to be an inline engine.

Cummins vs duramax/powerstroke - Cummins is making the same, if not more power from 2 less cylinders and with better mileage.

I'd like to see the weight on these newer diesels though. If companies push for these kinds of breakthrough you will see diesel become cheaper than gas. Its like that nearly everywhere else in the world.

PS: I thought it was sulfur but wasnt sure...

Ehhhhh...check the facts.
Duramax is a 6.6 V8. The new Cummings is now a 6.7 liter 6cyl, makes less power then the Dmax, and the Dmax is cleaner.
2 less cyls, but .1 more displacement. The new 6.4 Twin turbo Diesel Powerstroke is also behind teh Dmax.

[Tru2Chevy]

6.7L Cummins = 350/650
6.4L Powerstroke = 350/650
6.6L Duramax = 365/660

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

GM FTMFGDCSW!!

[trashman01]

yea but atleast Cummins isnt a ****ing outsource Izuzu, and im sorry the turbo win and nosie from a Cummins will always catch my fancy moreso then a izuzu, if i wanted ot drive an Izuzu diesel, id go drive the packbody truck at my job

edit: reason the Cummins is 15hp and 10lb less then the Dura-crap is the fact Chrysler only puts a 3" pipe on there, Cummins RECOMMENDS a 4"

[WildBillyT]

Not a dig at anybody, but it has to be said.

http://www.cumminspower.com/

There's no ****ing G in there. Anywhere.

[12secondv6]

As it is, Mercedes has made some wicked strides in diesel technology.

It is in the following:
E - sedan
R, ML and GL - SUV's

I've driven an ML 320CDI for about 10-15 minutes and saw 30 mpg out of it

I've driven an R 320CDI for about 500 miles and saw anywhere from 30-34 mpg.

I've had co-workers drive the E 320 bluetec and get in the 40's mpg. I read somewhere that a magazine saw 50 mpg but that was done with drafting, raising tire psi etc.... but still, 50 mpg in a 4,400 - 4,500 lb car ain't half bad ;)

Mercedes will be meeting the emission requirements for 50 state legal diesels shortly.

Germany has a 4 cyl blutec diesel engine for the c=class - hopefully that comes over here. That was rated at 47 mpg :)

Germany also has a v8 diesel which I hear has around 550 tq which is hot!

There are also rumors of AMG (the high perf division of Mercedes) to add to diesel's ;)

[r0nin89]

Not a dig at anybody, but it has to be said.

http://www.cumminspower.com/

There's no ****ing G in there. Anywhere.

I've been puttin it right :D

I'm not claiming to be any diesel tech BUT from the people that I know ( a diesel tech and my friends buddy who has a 98 dodge with a 600ft/lb 2nd gen dodge) I was under the impression that a cummins is a far more reliable, and well built motor with far more upgrades and potential.

I mean as stated going from a 3in exhaust to a 4 or 5in on a diesel is worth huge amounts of power considering its such a simple thing.

[trashman01]

I've been puttin it right :D

I'm not claiming to be any diesel tech BUT from the people that I know ( a diesel tech and my friends buddy who has a 98 dodge with a 600ft/lb 2nd gen dodge) I was under the impression that a cummins is a far more reliable, and well built motor with far more upgrades and potential.

I mean as stated going from a 3in exhaust to a 4 or 5in on a diesel is worth huge amounts of power considering its such a simple thing.

u are correct, im guessin he has the 5.9L is it a 12v or 24v? auto or manual?

[NightRydaSS]

idk; listen we all saw what they did to the GTO, and how well that car sold. The names behind these cars carry a lot of weight in terms of looks, performance and "what makes them tic". IMO, a Camaro Z28/SS, to me, has NOTHING less then a 5.7L GAS engine, RWD, powertrain. Call me old fashioned or w/e, but that is what the name envisions. Look at the GTO; the ONLY good thing about that car, again IMO, is the fact that it came is an LS1/2 motor. the car is fugly looking, nothing about that car to me says "muscle". i don't mean to sound ignorant or anything; but, removing every "H" and "Honda" emblem on a Civic and replacing them w/ "Chevy" and "Camaro" ones, doesn't make it a Camaro. understand??

if they want to sell this car and make is successful, then they need to build it to what ppl envision it to be; if not, then eff it and scrap it.

[r0nin89]

u are correct, im guessin he has the 5.9L is it a 12v or 24v? auto or manual?

I believe its a 2nd gen so thats a 24v if I am correct. Its backed by a nv4500 (5 speed with granny/overdrive) and its got a clutch good to like 750ft/lb's. Its a one ton cab and chassis dually with a dana 60 front and dana 70 rear.

He built it to tow boats at his job with.

[trashman01]

I believe its a 2nd gen so thats a 24v if I am correct. Its backed by a nv4500 (5 speed with granny/overdrive) and its got a clutch good to like 750ft/lb's. Its a one ton cab and chassis dually with a dana 60 front and dana 70 rear.

He built it to tow boats at his job with.

if its a 98 24valve with a 5spd, hes got the 235 motor. i think the 12 valve stick and 24valve auto was 215 and the 12 vavle auto was 185. either way the 5.9L 24valves are pure sex:drool:

[WildBillyT]

idk; listen we all saw what they did to the GTO, and how well that car sold. The names behind these cars carry a lot of weight in terms of looks, performance and "what makes them tic". IMO, a Camaro Z28/SS, to me, has NOTHING less then a 5.7L GAS engine, RWD, powertrain. Call me old fashioned or w/e, but that is what the name envisions. Look at the GTO; the ONLY good thing about that car, again IMO, is the fact that it came is an LS1/2 motor. the car is fugly looking, nothing about that car to me says "muscle". i don't mean to sound ignorant or anything; but, removing every "H" and "Honda" emblem on a Civic and replacing them w/ "Chevy" and "Camaro" ones, doesn't make it a Camaro. understand??

if they want to sell this car and make is successful, then they need to build it to what ppl envision it to be; if not, then eff it and scrap it.

Well, piss on people with first gen Z/28s then. :wink:

But I get your point. "The name does not a Camaro make." Or any old name being brought back- Challenger, Impala, etc.

[BigAls87Z28]

idk; listen we all saw what they did to the GTO, and how well that car sold. The names behind these cars carry a lot of weight in terms of looks, performance and "what makes them tic". IMO, a Camaro Z28/SS, to me, has NOTHING less then a 5.7L GAS engine, RWD, powertrain. Call me old fashioned or w/e, but that is what the name envisions. Look at the GTO; the ONLY good thing about that car, again IMO, is the fact that it came is an LS1/2 motor. the car is fugly looking, nothing about that car to me says "muscle". i don't mean to sound ignorant or anything; but, removing every "H" and "Honda" emblem on a Civic and replacing them w/ "Chevy" and "Camaro" ones, doesn't make it a Camaro. understand??

if they want to sell this car and make is successful, then they need to build it to what ppl envision it to be; if not, then eff it and scrap it.

What does having a diesel engine have anything to do with what a Camaro is?
Camaro has had to adapt over the years, changing for fuel economy as well as demand. From big blocks to iron dukes, the Camaro has had a many power plants under its hood.
In order to keep Camaro relivent in todays world that has high fuel costs and increasing fuel economy standards, a diesel engine fits the bill.
Having a diesel engine kills two birds with one stone as well. A diesel engine also makes this a viable product to sell over sea's, especially in Europe where diesel engines are 50% of sales. If GM can sell a few thousand Camaro Diesel's over there along with some gas models, as well as sell them in the US and elevate the Camaro's average fuel economy, we can expect higher performance versions making 500-600hp.

[bandit88]

That's a thing of the past....

- Justin

Do you still have to plug in the car when it gets wicked cold out so it starts in the morning?????

[NightRydaSS]

What does having a diesel engine have anything to do with what a Camaro is?
Camaro has had to adapt over the years, changing for fuel economy as well as demand. From big blocks to iron dukes, the Camaro has had a many power plants under its hood.
In order to keep Camaro relivent in todays world that has high fuel costs and increasing fuel economy standards, a diesel engine fits the bill.
Having a diesel engine kills two birds with one stone as well. A diesel engine also makes this a viable product to sell over sea's, especially in Europe where diesel engines are 50% of sales. If GM can sell a few thousand Camaro Diesel's over there along with some gas models, as well as sell them in the US and elevate the Camaro's average fuel economy, we can expect higher performance versions making 500-600hp.

I no what ur sayin; but, i don't car how badass a car looks; how mean, or how much it looks like it will butt-eff you w/o a reach around; if the damn thing pulls up sounding like a Fed-Ex truck, that's the end for me...lol

[BigAls87Z28]

Ahaha...gotcha.
Modern diesel's dont have too much diesel noise in all honesty. I guess thats still the image that GM needs to overcome, the image of what diesel's are in the US.
Its funny that in Europe, diesel's have an image of efficiency and economy while in America the thought of diesel's conjure up thick black smoke, loud noises, and the smell.

[Savage_Messiah]

The more people the car can appeal to, the more chance we have of it staying around for a while. Let them do what they gotta do.


It's ot liek we're saying it will ONLY be diesel right?? just an option

[SpeedMetalT/A]

I'd buy an F-body with the 4.5 duramax.

[Tru2Chevy]

Look at the GTO; the ONLY good thing about that car, again IMO, is the fact that it came is an LS1/2 motor. the car is fugly looking, nothing about that car to me says "muscle".

The original GTO was nothing more than a plain-jane family car with a big healthy v8 shoved under the hood. I think that of all the names that have been brought back so far, the GTO is the one that stayed truest to it's roots. A relatively plain looking car with a nice healthy motor under the hood. If I could have afforded a new car, I would have grabbed an 04-06 GTO in a heartbeat.

- Justin

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

IMO, had they not called it a GTO, it would've sold wayyy better. People have the notion that GTO's were awesome looking muscle cars when they weren't.

[DieselKickYoAss4Sure]

Ehh it needs a CAT