NOT looking for a discussion, just an answer: HILLARY?

[unstable bob gable]

OK, NOBODY in my circles of acquaintances is backing Hillary. In fact, most of my acquaintances HATE Hillary. But SOMBODY is voting for her, for her to still be in it! So, my question is this: are YOU backing Hillary? Yes or no will do, don't have to 'splain nothing. I'm just trying to make sense of this joke of a prez race. :-?

[maroman88]

NO!!!!!!!

[Savage_Messiah]

I have no declared party and wasn't about to declare allegiance to EITHER one, so I did not vote in the primaries.

[Slow 88]

YES!

[Blacdout96]

I dont like hilary, Obama's got my vote.

[bubba428]

hillary can burn in hell

[JL8Jeff]

No.

[bubba428]

one of you mod type people should make this a poll :nod:

[Teds89IROC]

Nope

[BigAls87Z28]

Yep.
I dont think Obama can do it, and a vote for Hillary is a vote for Bill.

[Blacdout96]

well if Hilary wins, expect me not to vote for a democrate, ill look for a no name person just out of spite. my moms all gung- ho for hilary, and I asked why and she has no reasons to back it up, so she jsut wants to vote for her cause shes a woman. I dont like hilary. the only reason she has anybody looking to vote for her is because shes Bills wife so she should be jsut like Bill right? NOT, thats like says Kyle Petty is just as good as his dad because he's Richard Petty. She totally flopped the ball about giving illegal immigrants a license in NY, and I feel Obama would be more fitting. Personally, I felt Edward would of had a good chance, but how can you follow a Black man and a Woman running for president, the spotlight is all on them so.....

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Not a snowball's chance in hell.

[firehawk1120]

hell f-ing NO

[edpontiac91]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! If you look at the women who who are voting for her, they just say "We Need A Women in the White House". They don't care about the background or if she's qualified, just that it's a WOMEN!. If anyone here remembers Margaret Thacher(from Great Britain during the Regan era), she was knowen as the "IRON LADY". It was her leadership that took care of the war in the Falklands and was a strong force in Europe. I could see a person like that in the White House, BUT NOT SOMEONE WHO HAS NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE OR FOREIGN POLICY. Bill had no issues to deal with during his terms, and was disliked by the military at the start of his president career. When he left his helicopter and walked past the Honor Guard, he did not know to return a SALUTE! Plus getting a little head under the OVAL OFFICE desk. Other then a few other dozen reasons I could come up with, I think it's a mockery of our election process that this is the BEST the DEMOCRAT party can come up with!

[Untamed]

No.

[BigAls87Z28]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! If you look at the women who who are voting for her, they just say "We Need A Women in the White House". They don't care about the background or if she's qualified, just that it's a WOMEN!. If anyone here remembers Margaret Thacher(from Great Britain during the Regan era), she was knowen as the "IRON LADY". It was her leadership that took care of the war in the Falklands and was a strong force in Europe. I could see a person like that in the White House, BUT NOT SOMEONE WHO HAS NO MILITARY EXPERIENCE OR FOREIGN POLICY. Bill had no issues to deal with during his terms, and was disliked by the military at the start of his president career. When he left his helicopter and walked past the Honor Guard, he did not know to return a SALUTE! Plus getting a little head under the OVAL OFFICE desk. Other then a few other dozen reasons I could come up with, I think it's a mockery of our election process that this is the BEST the DEMOCRAT party can come up with!

Um...Bush had NO military experience, or foreign policy, yet you right winngers voted him into office, talking about how awesome he was. I also remember the Republicans ripping into BOTH McCain and Kerry for thier service in Vietnam, and you ******** stood by your man as both of them were ripped apart.
Bill had no issues to deal with? Within a few months in office, he launched sevearl air attacks on Iraq as they were getting roudy.
He also had a little thing called the Bosnian Conflict in which we marched our army to stop somthing THAT WAS REAL! Somolia, Hatti any of that ring a bell?
The worst thing he got was a blow job and you are gunna hold that up to him while Bush LIED to us and invaded a soverign country UNDER FALSE PRETENSES!!
Clinton has amazing foriegn policy as was a respected world leader. His work in the middle east was his main focus, but since the republicans had a hard ont o findo ut all the girls he's ****ed since high school, his presidency is clouded.

Find me ONE bad thing about Hillary outside that she is a woman that makes her unfit for the job? Find me one reason that Obama would be better?

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Al, if you read ed's other posts, he hates both sides.

[Blacdout96]

i agree with you Al 100% about Bill

[edpontiac91]

Um...Bush had NO military experience, or foreign policy, yet you right winngers voted him into office, talking about how awesome he was. I also remember the Republicans ripping into BOTH McCain and Kerry for thier service in Vietnam, and you ******** stood by your man as both of them were ripped apart.
Bill had no issues to deal with? Within a few months in office, he launched sevearl air attacks on Iraq as they were getting roudy.
He also had a little thing called the Bosnian Conflict in which we marched our army to stop somthing THAT WAS REAL! Somolia, Hatti any of that ring a bell?
The worst thing he got was a blow job and you are gunna hold that up to him while Bush LIED to us and invaded a soverign country UNDER FALSE PRETENSES!!
Clinton has amazing foriegn policy as was a respected world leader. His work in the middle east was his main focus, but since the republicans had a hard ont o findo ut all the girls he's ****ed since high school, his presidency is clouded.

Find me ONE bad thing about Hillary outside that she is a woman that! makes her unfit for the job? Find me one reason that Obama would be better?

Hey Al, slow down on the reply:soapbox:! I did not mention BUSH at all, nor do I AGREE with what is happening now, I'am just saying that with the CHOICES we are given, there is not one that is very much QUALIFIED to do the job. Politics is a DIRTY JOB usually done by people, who given the chance, turn it into A VERY DIRTY JOB because of all the opportunities to open doors that lead down the wrong path(good for them-bad for us). :usa:

[Blacdout96]

Listen, we never vote for the right person for hte job anymore, we just vote for the best liar.

[Savage_Messiah]

Oh **** it... everyone just write me in :lol:

[Blacdout96]

so now we'd have a black man, a woman, and a fidget fighting for the democrate vote, can we get anymore different then usual candidates? :lol:

[Fleetwiz]

No I can't

[bubba428]

what if in the election 1500 people from jersey vote "fidget"

[Blacdout96]

well it would be the shortest campaign ever :rofl: :rofl:

[bubba428]

da dum chee.....Sorry, try again

[DaSkinnyGuy]

No.

[Knipps]

well it would be the shortest campaign ever :rofl: :rofl:

i lol'ed :lol:

[slasherbarb]

http://www.walken2008.com/index.html



'nuff said...

[SteveR]

a vote for Hillary is a vote for Bill.

More BJs in the "oval" office! :D

[Pampered-Z]

Nope

[JohnG]

i agree with you Al 100% about Bill

Hillary -- YES !!

[Blacdout96]

http://www.walken2008.com/index.html



'nuff said...

Slasher, your frickin rule!

Christopher Walken would straighten this country up in his sleep. Chuck Norris would bow to him.

[WildBillyT]

Hell of a question Bob, I was wondering the same thing. Most people I come in contact with BLAST her but yet she is still getting lots of votes from somewhere.

Personally, I have ZERO problems with a woman being president. I have MANY problems with both her and her husband, so I am not a supporter.

[johnjzjz]

A Constitutional Lawyer had this to say about them : Hill and Bill go on to win the election in November and makes bill the VP and the Democrats maintain control of the House and the Senate. < this could very well happen --

Hillary is sworn in as President on January 20, 2009. The next day, after all the inauguration parties are over, she calls a press conference to make an announcement: she is resigning as President!!! Bill, as the Vice President, immediately becomes President!!! This is all perfectly legal under the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution, for it states that "no person may be elected as president more than twice". Bill is not being elected for a third term but is merely serving out the remainder of Hillary's term---all 4 years of it.

But wait! There's more! The following day Bill calls a press conference to make an announcement. He has chosen someone to fill the now-vacant office of Vice President. Guess who he picks? Why, Hillary, of course!!! So she can run for two more terms.


AND BTW her health care plan for those of us who are in the know < side note remember her plan well i was then and still am today a DAV - and they the Hillary Dem's and the veterans administration was opening up out reach centers under Bills directive ( AND HAVE ) for the sole purpose of removing the veterans from the VA system -- well where did you think her health care system was coming from its already in place and owned by the government, she is @#$)!(#$!$^%!^$!) and we as Americans well some of them 50% are being lead down the blind path not much different than what corzine is doing in jersey hope you like paying 10 bucks on the parkway to go to the shore from the north soon because its on the way

AND AL your boy did nothing -- the Marines 200 plus who were killed kobar towers, he knew it would be mess and was real busy in the oral office those days --

the action you sited was a continuation of what George senior had in place when he took over if it didn't work he had an excuse it was their fault but after that he was on his own and did nothing more than once -- jz

[enRo]

Anybody with the name Barack Hussein Obama should NOT be president of the UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA. That is all.

Vote Perot.

[LS1Hawk]

HELL NO!

[Rafterman]

Yes or no will do, don't have to 'splain nothing.

Just in case people DIDN'T read it.:wink:

[Savage_Messiah]

I have MANY problems with... her husband

Like what?

and they the Hillary Dem's and the veterans administration was opening up out reach centers under Bills directive ( AND HAVE ) for the sole purpose of removing the veterans from the VA system -- well where did you think her health care system was coming from its already in place and owned by the government, she is @#$)!(#$!$^%!^$!) and we as Americans well some of them 50% are being lead down the blind path not much different than what corzine is doing in jersey hope you like paying 10 bucks on the parkway to go to the shore from the north soon because its on the way

Then tell me why, being a veteran himself, my father voted for her?

[Slow 88]

Just in case people DIDN'T read it.:wink:

Exactly!!!

But, I can't help myself...If all of you Repubs think that Bush is doing a good job then your ****in' crazy end of story!

Also, Obama is HALF black!! So, he would be the 1st grey President and what makes him fit the bill to be President over Hillary?

[johnjzjz]

Like what?



Then tell me why, being a veteran himself, my father voted for her?



Because he like so many others have picked up arms to defend that right to choose who they want to represent themselves politically ????????? odd question for sure -- jz

[racerz]

I'm voting 4 JIM BEAM

[PBodyGT87]

Hell No.

I'm a woman, I can't justify voting for woman who is all talk and no show.

Umm, two words. WHITEWATER SCANDAL. Everyone seems to have forgotten about that. She's a power hungry lying scheming bastard, and why should I vote for a president, based on her husband, or how she dragged him around by his collar.

Know your politics, kids.

Vote Perot. (haha)

(why I'm registered independent.)

[johnjzjz]

Hell No.

I'm a woman, I can't justify voting for woman who is all talk and no show.

Umm, two words. WHITEWATER SCANDAL. Everyone seems to have forgotten about that. She's a power hungry lying scheming bastard, and why should I vote for a president, based on her husband, or how she dragged him around by his collar.

Know your politics, kids.

Vote Perot. (haha)

(why I'm registered independent.)

i never understood why Ross dropped out he was on a roll but it could be this > Admiral Stockdale his VP choice even though the left said a guy who was beaten half to death in prison camp and on national TV blinked in Morse code the fact they were all being tortured, the left still said he was unable to serve the office of VP because he might crack < a Congressional metal of Honor winner right -- jz

[Tru2Chevy]

No.

- Justin

[JohnG]

Hell No.

I'm a woman, I can't justify voting for woman who is all talk and no show.

Umm, two words. WHITEWATER SCANDAL. Everyone seems to have forgotten about that.

sigh...

not this **** again :shock:

to all the Righties still going ape**** about Whitewater:

OK, explain this to me, right-wing geniuses: Because you folks wanted to nail
Bill Clinton on whatever you could (or couldn't) find on him (so much for "you
have to respect the president and support him because he's the president, and if you don't you hate America, right ? ), we the taxpayer spent millions and millions of dollars on a four-year partisan witch-hunt called "the Whitewater investigation" which was supposedly an investigation about how Bill and Hillary did something wrong LONG BEFORE they got to the White House...in a real estate deal they LOST money on.

Fine.

less than 2 yrs. ago, we had Republican Speaker Dennis Hastert making at least $1.5 MILLION in a blatantly bull*** real estate deal by buying some cheap boondock farmland, then passing a pork-barel bill to subsidize a highway running by it... then presto, a few months after it passes, cashing out and selling to a developer and making a million and a half profit PERSONALLY (let alone his partners.)

This, of course, is no big deal, and there was no investigation, of
course. And anyone who wonders if maybe this was, like, bull**** was called a Saddam-loving tree-hugging liberal faggot traitor.

Why is that, exactly ? Is being a Republican politician like having a license
to steal and defraud the taxpayer ? Maybe you're proud of this kind of "honesty and integrity" thing ?

Or are you idiots just so f---ing stupid that you don't have an opinoin about
anything until Denny "hey, it's only 1.5 million, what's the big deal" Hastert
or Rush "lock up all drug addicts other than me" Limbaugh or Ann "I support
terrorism and hate American victims of terrorism" Coulter tells you what to
think ?

Or is it that you couldn't give a f*** about any politician's scams, so long
as they are the particular guys whose c**ks you suck, and not the other ones ?

Any explanation would be appreciated -- though I won't hold my breath, since
you morons only know how to say "liberals hate America !!!" and that's about
the extent of your abilities to communicate on any subject whatsoever.

[unstable bob gable]

So, my question is this: are YOU backing Hillary? Yes or no will do, don't have to 'splain nothing. I'm just trying to make sense of this joke of a prez race. :-?

What I'd like to know, is how come you jabronies can't f'n read? I didn't axe for anybodies sob story or bar room political expert's views. I SIMPLY AXED for a "YES!" or a "NO!" I don't have time to read through all this friggin' piehole pollution! But I will thank those few who TOWED THE LINE and gave me the one word answer I was looking for! :-x

[Blacdout96]

JohnG, I just have one thing to say. the wealthy 1% get a tax break, so sayth the republicans, and last time I checked, being a high ranking politician, you cant be middle class or poor to run a campaign.

[shane27]

i will never vote for a Clinton
never.

[Savage_Messiah]

i will never vote for a Clinton
never.

even though the male one is one of the best presidents we've had?

quit regurgitating, start thinking.

[johnjzjz]

sigh...

not this **** again :shock:

to all the Righties still going ape**** about Whitewater:

OK, explain this to me, right-wing geniuses: Because you folks wanted to nail
Bill Clinton on whatever you could (or couldn't) find on him (so much for "you
have to respect the president and support him because he's the president, and if you don't you hate America, right ? ), we the taxpayer spent millions and millions of dollars on a four-year partisan witch-hunt called "the Whitewater investigation" which was supposedly an investigation about how Bill and Hillary did something wrong LONG BEFORE they got to the White House...in a real estate deal they LOST money on.

Fine.

less than 2 yrs. ago, we had Republican Speaker Dennis Hastert making at least $1.5 MILLION in a blatantly bull*** real estate deal by buying some cheap boondock farmland, then passing a pork-barel bill to subsidize a highway running by it... then presto, a few months after it passes, cashing out and selling to a developer and making a million and a half profit PERSONALLY (let alone his partners.)

This, of course, is no big deal, and there was no investigation, of
course. And anyone who wonders if maybe this was, like, bull**** was called a Saddam-loving tree-hugging liberal faggot traitor.

Why is that, exactly ? Is being a Republican politician like having a license
to steal and defraud the taxpayer ? Maybe you're proud of this kind of "honesty and integrity" thing ?

Or are you idiots just so f---ing stupid that you don't have an opinoin about
anything until Denny "hey, it's only 1.5 million, what's the big deal" Hastert
or Rush "lock up all drug addicts other than me" Limbaugh or Ann "I support
terrorism and hate American victims of terrorism" Coulter tells you what to
think ?

Or is it that you couldn't give a f*** about any politician's scams, so long
as they are the particular guys whose c**ks you suck, and not the other ones ?

Any explanation would be appreciated -- though I won't hold my breath, since
you morons only know how to say "liberals hate America !!!" and that's about
the extent of your abilities to communicate on any subject whatsoever.

Hey bob this one word political post is like pissing on someones leg and saying its just water ya think -- jz

And john G you really dont think anyone believes you now do you, after seeing this little clip of things said before Irak and what wee have been told after who said what , now do you - just trying to keep the truth above the left smear you like to print -- jz

You'll be amazed, even a little bit entertained, by what you see and hear.

Click below....



http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv

[LS1Hawk]

You'll be amazed, even a little bit entertained, by what you see and hear.

Click below....

http://www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv


1998 State of the Union: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnceSIxxOYg

[Frosty]

Nope, she'd never get my vote.


****stop reading Bob****

I'm not going to vote for a lying power hungry, inexperienced bitch because of who her husband is. I can't tell you have many people are voting for her just for the fact that's she's a woman. They couldn't tell you anything more than she's Bill's husband :rolleyes: Listen to her speeches people, "mandate" this "demand" that. She could care less about working with people, she's going to get what she wants or she's going to stomp her feet and hold her breath.

Though I'd love to have a nationalized healthcare system, I mean I already love paying for fatherless crack babies on welfare, let's pay for more! No wonder why the drug companies are backing Billary, if the government pays $500 for a toilet seat in their budget imagine what they'll give the drug companies for Viagra :rolleyes:

I think we're screwed on the GOP side too. McCain's immigration policy is a nightmare and a joke, his stance on Global Warming is going to cost us an INSANE amount $$(thanks Al Gore). The only thing worthwhile is his stance on the war in not rushing to bring our troops out ASAP. His financial advisor's seem ok from what I've been reading. I don't know, another election where the regular guy gets left out.

[SteveR]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=23469783

[edpontiac91]

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=23469783

LMAO!!!!!! :loser::kneeslap:

[BigAls87Z28]

Whitewater scandle...shesh why dont you just pull out all the shady **** Bush has done, and failed at, his entire life?
Why dont we investigate Cheney's involvement with Halaburton?
How come we cannot investigate EVERYONE with the ferocity that they did the Clintons?
Why are Republicans so threatened by this name? This seemingly quiet Gov from Arkansas has just burned the Republicans so bad that they have been ready to hunt every little fault of thiers down as soon as they can.
It was a contant barage of scandels and other ******** that just slung **** around the politicial landscape. I think that the Republicans are scared ****less since neither Bush has done a single thing for America in the 12 years they have had control of the country combined. Both of them had put us into a recession, have destroyed the economy, have destroyed manufacturing and technological expansion, and have ****ED us as a people.
You have stood by your man for far too long. Its now time to wake the **** up.
Bill did 100x the job either Bush did, amungst all the slung **** you threw at him. Is all this Patriotic ******** is gunna go right out the door when Clinton is voted in? Will all that "stand by your president" ******** just suddenly fall out of favor? Will supporting your country now make you a women loving fag?
Or will you go right back to the **** slinnging again? Dig deeper into her past? See if she cheated on her history final in 8th grade? Maybe she called someone a "poopie face" in kindergarden? How ****ing deep are you gunna go this time?

[Teds89IROC]

Nope, she'd never get my vote.


****stop reading Bob****

I'm not going to vote for a lying power hungry, inexperienced bitch because of who her husband is. I can't tell you have many people are voting for her just for the fact that's she's a woman. They couldn't tell you anything more than she's Bill's husband :rolleyes: Listen to her speeches people, "mandate" this "demand" that. She could care less about working with people, she's going to get what she wants or she's going to stomp her feet and hold her breath.

Though I'd love to have a nationalized healthcare system, I mean I already love paying for fatherless crack babies on welfare, let's pay for more! No wonder why the drug companies are backing Billary, if the government pays $500 for a toilet seat in their budget imagine what they'll give the drug companies for Viagra :rolleyes:

I think we're screwed on the GOP side too. McCain's immigration policy is a nightmare and a joke, his stance on Global Warming is going to cost us an INSANE amount $$(thanks Al Gore). The only thing worthwhile is his stance on the war in not rushing to bring our troops out ASAP. His financial advisor's seem ok from what I've been reading. I don't know, another election where the regular guy gets left out.

totally agree 100%

[79CamaroDiva]

Whitewater scandle...shesh why dont you just pull out all the shady **** Bush has done, and failed at, his entire life?
Why dont we investigate Cheney's involvement with Halaburton?
How come we cannot investigate EVERYONE with the ferocity that they did the Clintons?
Why are Republicans so threatened by this name? This seemingly quiet Gov from Arkansas has just burned the Republicans so bad that they have been ready to hunt every little fault of thiers down as soon as they can.
It was a contant barage of scandels and other ******** that just slung **** around the politicial landscape. I think that the Republicans are scared ****less since neither Bush has done a single thing for America in the 12 years they have had control of the country combined. Both of them had put us into a recession, have destroyed the economy, have destroyed manufacturing and technological expansion, and have ****ED us as a people.
You have stood by your man for far too long. Its now time to wake the **** up.
Bill did 100x the job either Bush did, amungst all the slung **** you threw at him. Is all this Patriotic ******** is gunna go right out the door when Clinton is voted in? Will all that "stand by your president" ******** just suddenly fall out of favor? Will supporting your country now make you a women loving fag?
Or will you go right back to the **** slinnging again? Dig deeper into her past? See if she cheated on her history final in 8th grade? Maybe she called someone a "poopie face" in kindergarden? How ****ing deep are you gunna go this time?

Al, nobodies arguing that bush isn't a terrible president... in fact, i believe you're the only person who keeps comparing people to him. this discussion is about the future president and how they're gonna get us out of the mess that bush put us in. stop trying to compare bad to worse..

[PBodyGT87]

I didn't say I was right wing, I clearly stated, that I'm registered independent.
I'm also not saying that Bush was a great president. Politics is the most corrupt part of this country, and any country, for that matter, because no one is ever right. What I can give, is my opinion. And luckily, I can do it without cursing my head off on this board just to try to prove my point. I've had my share of political courses in college, I've had to do a lot of research, and what never seems to fail is that so many people only strictly rely on the media to tell you what is going on. You have to look at a view that is not biased by some author, you need facts. Example Fact: Clinton was impeached. Clinton lied under oath.

Now you make an assessment.

From what I've studied, Clinton was a good president as far as what some of the media could show. But from the facts, the Clintons have made many costly mistakes. So has Bush, So has Kennedy, So has Nixon, so on and so forth. What's important is that you do your research, and hopefully, you won't end up some guy screaming obscenities to a group of people online. At least have a suitable discussion.

[edpontiac91]

I didn't say I was right wing, I clearly stated, that I'm registered independent.
I'm also not saying that Bush was a great president. Politics is the most corrupt part of this country, and any country, for that matter, because no one is ever right. What I can give, is my opinion. And luckily, I can do it without cursing my head off on this board just to try to prove my point. I've had my share of political courses in college, I've had to do a lot of research, and what never seems to fail is that so many people only strictly rely on the media to tell you what is going on. You have to look at a view that is not biased by some author, you need facts. Example Fact: Clinton was impeached. Clinton lied under oath.

Now you make an assessment.

From what I've studied, Clinton was a good president as far as what some of the media could show. But from the facts, the Clintons have made many costly mistakes. So has Bush, So has Kennedy, So has Nixon, so on and so forth. What's important is that you do your research, and hopefully, you won't end up some guy screaming obscenities to a group of people online. At least have a suitable discussion.

::idea: :dancinglock: :dancinglock: :dancinglock: :dancinglock: :dancinglock: :dancinglock: :dancinglock: :dancinglock: :dancinglock:

[BigAls87Z28]

I didn't say I was right wing, I clearly stated, that I'm registered independent.
I'm also not saying that Bush was a great president. Politics is the most corrupt part of this country, and any country, for that matter, because no one is ever right. What I can give, is my opinion. And luckily, I can do it without cursing my head off on this board just to try to prove my point. I've had my share of political courses in college, I've had to do a lot of research, and what never seems to fail is that so many people only strictly rely on the media to tell you what is going on. You have to look at a view that is not biased by some author, you need facts. Example Fact: Clinton was impeached. Clinton lied under oath.

He was impeached about lying about getting a blow job.
HUGE difference with some of the **** that has currently been going on.
Look how the country was? I dont rely on the media, I lived durring the times, as did many of us. What did he **** up? It was pretty nice. We had a surplus of money.
We can talk about Bill and rip on him, so we cant talk about Bush?
Oh Im gunna compare things to Bush because the same people bashing Clinton, stood by Bush through all his ********. You stand by his ideas, his decisions, and you stand up next to him, proud.
No one says the impeach word with him, even though he lied. Just listen to that video...ugh you people voted him back into office!!!

Now you make an assessment.

From what I've studied, Clinton was a good president as far as what some of the media could show. But from the facts, the Clintons have made many costly mistakes. So has Bush, So has Kennedy, So has Nixon, so on and so forth. What's important is that you do your research, and hopefully, you won't end up some guy screaming obscenities to a group of people online. At least have a suitable discussion.

Ill scream what I feel, cause you post up crap about Clinton, and base your opinions on Hilary off of her husband and your false idea that he "screwed up".

Look at the real stuff. She is a very strong person, and when you hear her talk she does demand things. I want someone that is gunna be in the seat of power and want things done. Bill can and will be her best asset as he has amazing foreign ties with several countries. Both of them are great speakers, and they command attention.
I think Obama also has that about him, but he doesnt have the status nor the time to deal with political issues.

Romney and Huckabee stand on nothing. They tote the Republican line, especially Huckabee with his right wing religious nonsense.
McCain has the only chance to take on the fence dems away from Clinton/Obama. He has the time in, has major knowlage on how to deal with congress and the senate.

Everyone else has great ideas, and Im sure they would work fine, but none of them work on helping us.

National Health Care works in every other G8 country BUT the richest one. We talk about goverment spending by the Dems, but lets not talk about the trillions we are pouring into Iraq and Afganastan. Lets not talk about the billions of dollars poured into defense contracts to "help rebuild" Iraq.
This 600 dollar rebate check, which is a waste of time, another great idea by the Republicans. BUT it took the evil Dems to include VETS! Holy ****, did the Pro-Military forget about giving money to military familes? The Dems had to include that, along with the elderly!! THE ELDERLY!!
The Pro-Military Republicans have cut funding for helping the guys coming back from Iraq. They didnt supply the proper armor and weapons for going into Iraq. They lauched a full attack with half the **** they needed. And dont point fingers at the Dems for cutting that out. The Dems were standing up for the troops, asking for money.

[JL8Jeff]

Please, no more political opinions or commentary, UB was just wondering who voted for her. I'm still wondering who voted for Corzine! :knock:

[WildBillyT]

Please, no more political opinions or commentary, UB was just wondering who voted for her. I'm still wondering who voted for Corzine! :knock:

Agreed. This is exactly why I kept my mouth shut about my own beliefs a few posts back.

[JohnG]

Look at the real stuff. She is a very strong person, and when you hear her talk she does demand things. I want someone that is gunna be in the seat of power and want things done.

that is an excellent observation.

Obama, OTOH, seems all too willing to always want to negotiate on things...

[JohnG]

Please, no more political opinions or commentary, UB was just wondering who voted for her. I'm still wondering who voted for Corzine! :knock:

I did, and I got the 20% property tax rebate he promised...

:rock:

[firehawk1120]

I did, and I got the 20% property tax rebate he promised...

:rock:

Did you ever think it was your own money you were getting back because as NEW JERSEY residents we are over taxed on our property and they realized it and wanted to make themselves look good by giving us a tax relief for money that shouldn't have been taken away in the first place????

Oh yeah, let's not forget the 1% sales tax increase that cuts into that rebate check you got as well. Thanks alot corSLIME

[SteveR]

Did you ever think it was your own money you were getting back because as NEW JERSEY residents we are over taxed on our property and they realized it and wanted to make themselves look good by giving us a tax relief for money that shouldn't have been taken away in the first place????

Oh yeah, let's not forget the 1% sales tax increase that cuts into that rebate check you got as well. Thanks alot corSLIME

Plus the fact that he canceled 165 million dollars that used to annually go to the school system. Like we didnt already have dumb kids.

[Frosty]

Al, I guess Clinton's deals with China are really helping us now eh? C'mon. The second some says something bad about Billy-boy you jump on the "I hate Bush" brigade when no one was comparing the two. Sure, our economy isn't strong right now but last I checked the economy was heading straight for a recession when W took over and it took this long to REALLY show up. You have the attitude the Bush did no right and Clinton did no wrong when that is so far from the truth it's not even funny. To hell with his blow job issue, who cares...he made A TON of shady deals that we're paying for now and in the future.

***I'm not saying Clinton was a horrible president but wake the hell up, he was FAR from perfect***

Companies leaving with, jobs going overseas, American pride in the workplace has been erroding for DECADES, it's not something that just suddenly popped up when Bush took over :rolleyes: You think the economy is bad now, you people PLEASE tell me ONE thing the Democrats are going to do to stave off a full blown recession aside from hammering the rich with taxes....

Wait, national healthcare works in other counties? Are you KIDDING me? Go ask a bunch of Canadians how great their healthcare system is. If nationalized healthcare is soooo great why is France getting away from it? Oh that's right, because they had a 12 billion dollar budget deficit JUST on their healthcare system. Right now, the way the economy is and how much this country is spending a nationalized healthcare system could be one of the WORST things to do. It'd cost this country so much $$ it's not even funny...and let me guess...good 'ol Billary is going to do it without raises our taxes? Riiiiiiiight. A super left Democrat can't sneeze without raising taxes.

[johnjzjz]

Al, I guess Clinton's deals with China are really helping us now eh? C'mon. The second some says something bad about Billy-boy you jump on the "I hate Bush" brigade when no one was comparing the two. Sure, our economy isn't strong right now but last I checked the economy was heading straight for a recession when W took over and it took this long to REALLY show up. You have the attitude the Bush did no right and Clinton did no wrong when that is so far from the truth it's not even funny. To hell with his blow job issue, who cares...he made A TON of shady deals that we're paying for now and in the future.

***I'm not saying Clinton was a horrible president but wake the hell up, he was FAR from perfect***

Companies leaving with, jobs going overseas, American pride in the workplace has been erroding for DECADES, it's not something that just suddenly popped up when Bush took over :rolleyes: You think the economy is bad now, you people PLEASE tell me ONE thing the Democrats are going to do to stave off a full blown recession aside from hammering the rich with taxes....

Wait, national healthcare works in other counties? Are you KIDDING me? Go ask a bunch of Canadians how great their healthcare system is. If nationalized healthcare is soooo great why is France getting away from it? Oh that's right, because they had a 12 billion dollar budget deficit JUST on their healthcare system. Right now, the way the economy is and how much this country is spending a nationalized healthcare system could be one of the WORST things to do. It'd cost this country so much $$ it's not even funny...and let me guess...good 'ol Billary is going to do it without raises our taxes? Riiiiiiiight. A super left Democrat can't sneeze without raising taxes.


AND dont forget NAFTA its unreal what that has done 35 percent rise in over the road truck use in the USA

[edpontiac91]

MAN, THIS IS SURE TURNING INTO A :soapbox::help::banghead::twak::hitfan::argue::bs: THREAD!!!

[SteveR]

Sure, our economy isn't strong right now but last I checked the economy was heading straight for a recession when W took over and it took this long to REALLY show up.
Actually, when Clinton left office we had the lowest national deficit since the Civil War, and the lowest unemployment in 40 years.


oh, and since Bush took office, we've created the largest deficit in history, and the largest deficit swing from one administration to the next in history as well.

[Frosty]

Some people say Clinton's BUDGET deficit was low and others say our NATIONAL deficit was low. Can your clarify? So which is it? There's a big difference between the two.

Also, unemployment was low for most of Bush's first term. However the things you listed above don't show this country's economy was doing great, read some economical reports from that time, a lot say the economy was tailing off towards Billy's term.

Regardless if you agree with the wars or not war kills a budget. Now I'm not defending Bush, that's one of the things that piss me off about his Administration. The spending which usually Republicans are conservative on. The other thing is smaller government which went out the window with the Patriot Act.

[shane27]

even though the male one is one of the best presidents we've had?

quit regurgitating, start thinking.one of the best???:?: he was fooling around with an intern and lied to the united states about it, not including countless other shady things the clinton's have done in the past... if anything you can classify him with jimmy carter as one of the worst.

edit: i didnt bother reading anyone elses post unless it was real short. i know jersey is a blue state and trying to inform them about how corrupted, dangerous, and foolish the democratic party is nearly impossible.

[SteveR]

Some people say Clinton's BUDGET deficit was low and others say our NATIONAL deficit was low. Can your clarify? So which is it? There's a big difference between the two.



National debt is the total amount of money owed by the government. Budget deficit is the annual amount of money that spending exceeds revenue. In both cases, Clinton reduced the national debt to its lowest since the Civil War, erasing all budget deficits for nearly 150 years, and Bush not only put them all back on, but added more than at any point in history.

[Slow 88]

one of the best???:?: he was fooling around with an intern and lied to the united states about it, not including countless other shady things the clinton's have done in the past... if anything you can classify him with jimmy carter as one of the worst.

edit: i didnt bother reading anyone elses post unless it was real short. i know jersey is a blue state and trying to inform them about how corrupted, dangerous, and foolish the democratic party is nearly impossible.


That BJ hurt the U.S.? How? Bush, has lied several times as well like we were supposed to be out of Iraq in the summer of '05 or '06! Check your calendar dude it's '08 and we're still there wasting time and money! Not to mention that there is 3906 casualties since the war began and 29,000+ wounded! Why?

[Frosty]

National debt is the total amount of money owed by the government. Budget deficit is the annual amount of money that spending exceeds revenue. In both cases, Clinton reduced the national debt to its lowest since the Civil War, erasing all budget deficits for nearly 150 years, and Bush not only put them all back on, but added more than at any point in history.

Really? Show me where the budget balance was real? It was on paper, It would have been balanced if they followed his plan for "X" amount of years.

[johnjzjz]

one of the best???:?: he was fooling around with an intern and lied to the united states about it, not including countless other shady things the clinton's have done in the past... if anything you can classify him with jimmy carter as one of the worst.

edit: i didnt bother reading anyone elses post unless it was real short. i know jersey is a blue state and trying to inform them about how corrupted, dangerous, and foolish the democratic party is nearly impossible.

the point very well taken -- the left only uses -- bad behavior to point out other bad behavior -- AND no open discussion about facts ( just far left or right web site spout ) and name calling - jz

[BigAls87Z28]

one of the best???:?: he was fooling around with an intern and lied to the united states about it, not including countless other shady things the clinton's have done in the past... if anything you can classify him with jimmy carter as one of the worst.

edit: i didnt bother reading anyone elses post unless it was real short. i know jersey is a blue state and trying to inform them about how corrupted, dangerous, and foolish the democratic party is nearly impossible.

He lied about about having sex. Its not the US's business to know what he does in his private life.
Nothing is as shady as some of the crap that has been pulled in the past by republicans.

And if Hillary is so bad, lets see who the right is supporting this time around? Goverment is corrupt, no matter what party is in power. Our country was founded on it. We love money and material things. It is our culture, it is our way of life.
The republicans have enlarged this goverment so much, and they have consumed so many billions of dollars in 8 years that we are so far in the hole it will take years to catch up. Our banks are defaulting and cannot keep up with the subprime fall out that banks from all over the world are buying into our debt, and we will have to repay them. Our country is being bought right out from under us. Our goverment over the past 8 years has done nothing but pay through the nose for a war we should have never enterd into. A war we should have never had. Trillions of loaned money is being spent, and money we will have to make up.

In this time, we need someone with a stern forceful hand. We need a no nonsence person in the White House. Its either Clinton or McCain. Either of them will get the job done. Everyone else is just a nice face. No one else is as strong or as knowlageable as these two when it comes to politics, foreign policy, and getting the job done. I hope America doesnt go into an American Idol type voting frenzy when they look at Obama and think he is just great. I have a feeling he will get the nod...and thats depressing knowing that this nation is nothing but a bunch of 16 year old teenage girls.

[firehawk1120]

If another clinton gets elected I'm going to seriously consider moving to Canadia.... LOL

I don't care if it's a Democrat just not her. She doesn't care about anyone but herself, not to mention she a woman and other middle east countries will not want to deal with her. Don't trust the family, whether it be her, bill or chelsea... LMAO

[JohnG]

one of the best???

yes -- check his approval ratings when left office, and compare that to those of Bush 1 when he left...

if there weren't term limits on the presidency, Bill Clinton would probably still be in office !

[The Fixer]

we were supposed to be out of Iraq in the summer of '05 or '06! Check your calendar dude it's '08 and we're still there wasting time and money! Not to mention that there is 3906 casualties since the war began and 29,000+ wounded! Why?

Because Bin Laden is hiding there????

Oh, no, it's because they have Weapons of Mass Destruction. :)

Seriously, when Clinton was in office and we had the Desert Storm operation, they went in, bombed the CRAP out of that messhole, and got things straightened out with very few casualties and in a relatively short amount of time. IMO, Bush should have never entered Iraq, he should have sent every Marine sniper and badass on the hunt for Bin Laden and his band of nutcases for attacking us on our own soil!!!! That was what this "war" was really supposed to be started for.

But no, Bin Laden et.al have been on the run for 6.5 YEARS. Sure, they catch one of them every now and again, but the 6'5" guy hooked up to a dialysis machine is too hard to find. We got into Iraq for the wrong reasons, we've wasted trillions of dollars on a war there, and the irony of it all is that there are still people homeless after Hurricane Katrina (again, on our own soil). We should be taking care of our own people better, before worrying about other countries.

And Bob, so you don't get pissed, I voted for Hillary.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

And Bob, so you don't get pissed, I voted for Hillary.

Pretty sure that's why he started this thread....out of anger for people voting for her. :lol:

[The Fixer]

Pretty sure that's why he started this thread....out of anger for people voting for her. :lol:

True; but at least I did own up to it! :)

[SteveR]

T Not to mention that there is 3906 casualties since the war began and 29,000+ wounded! Why?

Actually, casualties are measured by those who die on the battlefield. Those that die in a hospital, in Germany, on an airplane etc. aren't counted as 'casualties'. Sounds crazy but its true.

[SteveR]

Seriously, when Clinton was in office and we had the Desert Storm operation

Desert Storm was Bush Sr.

[SteveR]

Really? Show me where the budget balance was real? It was on paper, It would have been balanced if they followed his plan for "X" amount of years.

The national debt would have been balanced if it was followed after Clinton left office, which it wasnt. The budget was balanced, which is how the national debt was brought down for eight years.

[edpontiac91]

Desert Storm was Bush Sr.

A quote from BUSH "SR" also, was that he would NEVER invade a country that would only bog us down, was a NO WIN situation, and that we could NOT get out of. The country he was talking about was IRAQ :!:

[SteveR]

We got into Iraq for the wrong reasons, we've wasted trillions of dollars on a war there, and the irony of it all is that there are still people homeless after Hurricane Katrina (again, on our own soil). We should be taking care of our own people better, before worrying about other countries.


That is so true. After the tornado in Brooklyn a few years ago (yes, its true lol) the director of FEMA was interviewed about a week later and they were asked why it took so long for FEMA to show up, and they replied, "why do we have to be here earlier? The charities and people will fix this." That tells the story of our governments mentality in one interview. Why fix New Orleans? The charities and celebrities will do it for us. And who is fixing New Orleans? Charities and celebrities. At least Jimmy Carter is down there building houses.

[The Fixer]

Desert Storm was Bush Sr.

Doh! High school was a long time ago, and I forgot Sr. was President then. Either way, GW has handled Iraq terribly. He should have taken lessons from his dad!

[Slow 88]

Actually, casualties are measured by those who die on the battlefield. Those that die in a hospital, in Germany, on an airplane etc. aren't counted as 'casualties'. Sounds crazy but its true.


Ok then it was 3290 in actual combat...

[JerzyIroc]

A vote for Hilary is a vote for herpes!!

[JerzyIroc]

lol i kno that was really juvenile. I personally voted for Obama. While Clinton does have some good ideas, as well as Mcain, they're both more of the same. To be honest this country has done such a horrible turn for the worst the last 8 years its sad. Bush lied his ass off about what was going on in iraq and fooled everyone. In that video on the GOP site it shows all these dems who were for the war in iraq. Well ya because bush LIED to them as well as everyone else in this country. While Bill was a good president, it doesnt mean Hiilary will be. And thats where people make the mistake. She's more of the same ol BS. This country needs some new fresh ideas. It needs someone who isnt interested in being a bully or their own personal agenda. It doesnt need someone thats gonna talk about doing things then change their mind two seconds later. It also doesnt need someone who is gonna base his presidency on his/her religous ideas.

[johnjzjz]

lol i kno that was really juvenile. I personally voted for Obama. While Clinton does have some good ideas, as well as Mcain, they're both more of the same. To be honest this country has done such a horrible turn for the worst the last 8 years its sad. Bush lied his ass off about what was going on in iraq and fooled everyone. In that video on the GOP site it shows all these dems who were for the war in iraq. Well ya because bush LIED to them as well as everyone else in this country. While Bill was a good president, it doesnt mean Hiilary will be. And thats where people make the mistake. She's more of the same ol BS. This country needs some new fresh ideas. It needs someone who isnt interested in being a bully or their own personal agenda. It doesnt need someone thats gonna talk about doing things then change their mind two seconds later. It also doesnt need someone who is gonna base his presidency on his/her religous ideas.

BTW the gop film dated all of them while clinton was in the white house and your right its bushes fault keep thinking that way fellow your going places -jz

[unstable bob gable]

Pretty sure that's why he started this thread....out of anger for people voting for her. :lol:

Actually I was just looking for facts...I didn't know of anybody in my circles who was voting for Hillary, so I posted up here. Honestly, I get more pizzed about people NOT voting and then wanna hook up their "BITCH! BITCH! BITCH" wagons. If people believe strongly enough in someone that they will vote for 'em, well, that is what America is all about. And even though my man Mitt is out of it, I'm still wearing his button. F' it!

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Actually I was just looking for facts...I didn't know of anybody in my circles who was voting for Hillary, so I posted up here. Honestly, I get more pizzed about people NOT voting and then wanna hook up their "BITCH! BITCH! BITCH" wagons. If people believe strongly enough in someone that they will vote for 'em, well, that is what America is all about. And even though my man Mit is out of it, I'm still wearing his button. F' it!

Oh. And Mitt isn't technically out of it. He just suspended it, so he still has those delegates votes from before. He cannot, however, win the race at this rate against Mccain. He can still come in second though.

[JerzyIroc]

o ya you're right. opps. :-D i didnt even realize it before. My mistake. He still lied though and he still effed up with his decision.

[edpontiac91]

Oh. And Mitt isn't technically out of it. He just suspended it, so he still has those delegates votes from before. He cannot, however, win the race at this rate against Mccain. He can still come in second though.

Another thought here on the McCain ticket is the Vice President choice. Even if McCain is elected, people know that age is NOT on his side. So the choice of VP may VERY WELL sway a lot of voters due to the fact that the VP could be the next President in an instant. If that be Mitt R, those voters may well still vote for that ticket. :wink:

[johnjzjz]

A CHRISTIAN DEMOCRAT:
You have two cows. You keep one and give one to your neighbor.

A SOCIALIST:
You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.

AN AMERICAN REPUBLICAN:
You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. So what?

AN AMERICAN DEMOCRAT:
You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. You feel guilty for being successful. You vote people into office who tax your cows, forcing you to sell one to raise money to pay the tax. The people you voted
for then take the tax money and buy a cow and give it to your neighbor. You feel righteous.

A COMMUNIST:
You have two cows. The government seizes both and provides you with milk.

A FASCIST:
You have two cows. The government seizes both and sells you the milk. You join the underground and start a campaign of sabotage.

DEMOCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE:
You have two cows. The government taxes you to the point you have to sell both to support a man in a foreign country who has only one cow, which was a gift from your government.

CAPITALISM, AMERICAN STYLE:
You have two cows. You sell one, buy a bull, and build a herd of cows.

BUREAUCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE:
You have two cows. The government takes them both, shoots one, milks the other, pays you for the milk, then pours the milk down the drain.

AN AMERICAN CORPORATION:
You have two cows. You sell one, and force the other to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when the cow drops dead.

A FRENCH CORPORATION:
You have two cows. You go on strike because you want three cows.

A JAPANESE CORPORATION:
You have two cows. You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk. You then create clever cow cartoon images called Cowkimon and market them World-Wide.

A GERMAN CORPORATION:
You have two cows. You re-engineer them so they live for 100 years, eat once a month, and milk themselves.

A BRITISH CORPORATION:
You have two cows. They are mad. They die. Pass the shepherd's pie, please.

AN ITALIAN CORPORATION:
You have two cows, but you don't know where they are. You break for lunch.

A RUSSIAN CORPORATION:
You have two cows. You count them and learn you have five cows. You count them again and learn you have 42 cows. You count them again and learn you have 12 cows. You stop counting cows and open another bottle of vodka.

A SWISS CORPORATION:
You have 5000 cows, none of which belong to you. You charge others for storing them.

A BRAZILIAN CORPORATION:
You have two cows. You enter into a partnership with an American corporation. Soon you have 1000 cows and the American corporation declares bankruptcy.

AN INDIAN CORPORATION:
You have two cows. You worship both of them.

A CHINESE CORPORATION:
You have two cows. You have 300 people milking them. You claim full employment, high bovine productivity, and arrest the newsman who reported on them.

AN ISRAELI CORPORATION:
There are these two Jewish cows, right? They open a milk factory, an ice cream store, and then sell the movie rights. They send their calves to Harvard to become doctors. So, who needs people?

AN ARKANSAS CORPORATION:
You have two cows. That one on the left is running for president.

[shane27]

That BJ hurt the U.S.? How? Bush, has lied several times as well like we were supposed to be out of Iraq in the summer of '05 or '06! Check your calendar dude it's '08 and we're still there wasting time and money! Not to mention that there is 3906 casualties since the war began and 29,000+ wounded! Why?
"supposed to" being the key words , how that turns into a lie im not quite sure :?:
and wow almost 4 thousand soldiers dead. thats some major dent in our military considering were fighting for freedom and anti terrorism. give me a break :rofl:

[shane27]

yes -- check his approval ratings when left office, and compare that to those of Bush 1 when he left...

if there weren't term limits on the presidency, Bill Clinton would probably still be in office !i could care less about approval ratings and polls my friend. i look at what they actually did or did not do. if you think Clinton was great i really feel sorry for you and anyone else who thinks so.

if Bush did what Clinton did with Monica, this country would be all over bush like white on effing rice. you people would have a friggen field day and a 3 ring circus with popcorn and tasty beverages.

[Rafterman]

Did ANYBODY read the title?

[unstable bob gable]

Did ANYBODY read the title?

Heh. Where politics are involved, EVERYBODY has to haul out their soap box and shoot off their pieholes. An admin actually offered to clean up this thread and boot all the mouthbreathers, but I didn't want to have to see him devote a week of his time to bull chit like that! :-x

[Slow 88]

"supposed to" being the key words , how that turns into a lie im not quite sure :?:
and wow almost 4 thousand soldiers dead. thats some major dent in our military considering were fighting for freedom and anti terrorism. give me a break :rofl:


Are you for real? Fighting for freedom? When did (Iraq) invade us? Also, when you tell the country that you are going to be withdrawing your troops on a certain DATE and you don't that is called a LIE!! If you want anti-terrorism then we should be in Iran and a few other countries....Give you a break LOL!

[johnjzjz]

Heh. Where politics are involved, EVERYBODY has to haul out their soap box and shoot off their pieholes. An admin actually offered to clean up this thread and boot all the mouthbreathers, but I didn't want to have to see him devote a week of his time to bull chit like that! :-x

WOW you turned down special privileges -- pissing on a bees nest is what you wanted unless you think no one voicing an opposition to what was said is not allowed ((( soap box and shoot off their pieholes )))) we might be loosing free speech through political correctness but it has not happened yet -- no one side has a lock on whats going on even tho they have expressed they do --- jz

[Knipps]

WOW you turned down special privileges -- pissing on a bees nest is what you wanted unless you think no one voicing an opposition to what was said is not allowed ((( soap box and shoot off their pieholes )))) we might be loosing free speech through political correctness but it has not happened yet -- no one side has a lock on whats going on even tho they have expressed they do --- jz

he simply asked everyone to exhibit a little self control.

[LS1Hawk]

That BJ hurt the U.S.? How?

People don't seem to realize the implications a little BJ or presidential affair can have on the nation. Back in the '60s, JFK had an affair with a woman who MANY believed was a plant by the East Germans to gain intelligence. Who's to say Lewinsky wasn't a plant by some terrorist organization? Obviously, that wasn't the case. But sexual liaisons are nothing new in espionage.

[shane27]

Are you for real? Fighting for freedom? When did (Iraq) invade us? Also, when you tell the country that you are going to be withdrawing your troops on a certain DATE and you don't that is called a LIE!! If you want anti-terrorism then we should be in Iran and a few other countries....Give you a break LOL! thanks for the laugh dude, im not even going to reply to this cause ive said it dozens of other times. holy crap i love new jersey :rofl:

[BigAls87Z28]

if Bush did what Clinton did with Monica, this country would be all over bush like white on effing rice. you people would have a friggen field day and a 3 ring circus with popcorn and tasty beverages.

nope he didnt get a bj...,but he did

INVADE A SOVERIGN NATION, UNPROVOKED, AND WITH INTELL THAT WAS SEVERAL YEARS OLD. HE WENT IN, GUNS BLAZING, AND FOUND NOTHING. HE HAS LEFT A COUNTRY IN A CIVIL WAR, AND WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, BEING THE POLICE OF THE WORLD. WE ARE DYING FOR NOTHING, AND THE TERRORISTS ARE GROWING IN NUMBERS. HE DID NOT FINISH AFGANASTAND, AND WE ARE LOSING THERE!! THEY ARE POURING IN FROM EVERY ANGLE.
ON TOP OF THE FACT THAT OUR COUNTRY IS FALLING APART FROM HIS PISS POOR ECONOMIC PLAN OF HELPING THE RICH, AND ******** THE POOR WHILE DESTROYING THE MIDDLE CLASS.



Thats just a bit worse then getting a bj.

[ar0ck]

A vote for Hilary is not a vote for Bill, and it shouldn't be a deciding factor. Go for the person with the experience, not a term as senator and the wife of a former president. No thanks:

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(For those of you that don't know thats Senator Ted Kennedy next to Obama, he drove off a pier way back when and killed the girl who was his passenger)

[Slow 88]

thanks for the laugh dude, im not even going to reply to this cause ive said it dozens of other times. holy crap i love new jersey :rofl:

I'm glad that you think that over 3,000 troops killed and close to 30,000 wounded is a laughing matter!!! Apparently, you have not lost anybody due to this catastrophe of a "WAR"!!

[SteveR]

Another thought here on the McCain ticket is the Vice President choice. Even if McCain is elected, people know that age is NOT on his side. So the choice of VP may VERY WELL sway a lot of voters due to the fact that the VP could be the next President in an instant.

Thats a good point. VP choices on both sides could attract, or turn away current and prospective voters.

[Savage_Messiah]

I'm completely with AL and Slow 88. Shane how the **** could you laugh at even one US casualty?

[jims69camaro]

do you really think she has a chance? think about it. this country was founded by men, is run by men and will always be run by men. she doesn't have a chance in hell. ****, if she looked like she was going to win, someone would put a bullseye on her back. there are just too many weirdos in the united states for a woman to be elected president. and don't get me started on obama. want to see the south come alive? give him the nomination... :lol:

it's going to be john mccain. get used to it.

[maroman88]

do you really think she has a chance? think about it. this country was founded by men, is run by men and will always be run by men. she doesn't have a chance in hell. ****, if she looked like she was going to win, someone would put a bullseye on her back. there are just too many weirdos in the united states for a woman to be elected president. and don't get me started on obama. want to see the south come alive? give him the nomination... :lol:

it's going to be john mccain. get used to it.

hehee i was thinking the EXACT thing but didnt wanna be "that guy" and say it lol

[edpontiac91]

hehee i was thinking the EXACT thing but didnt wanna be "that guy" and say it lol

Hey, Jerry Springer, I think we have some contestants coming up for your next show.:fight: Stay tuned folks, Round 6 coming UP! :nutkick:

[johnjzjz]

I'm completely with AL and Slow 88. Shane how the **** could you laugh at even one US casualty?

it never ceases to amaze me when so many who profess to be so smart loose sight of the real meaning behind a statement ---

i guess he is ( Shane ) too deep in his thinking for some of you who BTW have the wool pulled real tight

standing in the place i am i see it just that way YA THINK -- jz

[Slow 88]

"supposed to" being the key words , how that turns into a lie im not quite sure :?:
and wow almost 4 thousand soldiers dead. thats some major dent in our military considering were fighting for freedom and anti terrorism. give me a break :rofl:


I don't give a **** what your thinking about! That is an ignorant statement case closed!

johnjzjz- Well, I would like to know what you think Mr. Repub.. Bush has been at the helm for almost 8yrs. now, so how do you think he did as a President?

[shane27]

you people crack me the **** up
you really think im lauging about dead soldiers?
you really think the iraq invasion was unprovoked (remember 9/11 guys?)

i didnt know having bases in other countries was policing the world

one man cant fix all the problems of the economy in the country

and if you really think i was laughing about the soldiers ( idk how that was spun around)you seriously need to re read what i posted like, asap.




AND NOW im going to use my favirote metaphor here
the war on drugs.
if we didnt enforce drug laws, it would be out of control. even if we cant stop all the drug trafficking. the SAME THEORY applies to TERRORISM /end discussion thank you, GOOD NIGHT ILL BE HERE ALL ****IN WEEK /BOW


and as for nothing in iraq, ill give you all the link YET AGAIN
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html


now stop arguing with me cuz im tired of prooving you all wrong :D

[johnjzjz]

I don't give a **** what your thinking about! That is an ignorant statement case closed!

johnjzjz- Well, I would like to know what you think Mr. Repub.. Bush has been at the helm for almost 8yrs. now, so how do you think he did as a President?

in the totality of the office of the president he has done as all some things that have helped some and things that have not helped anyone -- and his choices of people too advance his objectives has been faulted -- causing all kinds of things to happen not in the play at the time, with some 3000 people who are supposed to do their job for US who directly work for the office of the presidency : WE the people in a perfect world it would be great but that is never the case - unfortunately

so i am not in favor of some of what he has tryed to do with i believe good intension's - un like the loons on the far left who find jest in anything anyone does that they don't agree with - i believe he as so many of us do not and would not have an ulterior motive in what we try to do to advance the cause of America - and again in a perfect world we would agree but the line in the sand is too deep -- jz

[Frosty]

Shane, I have to disagree with you with the war on drugs. Not that I'm a druggie or anything but please, PLEASE don't compare the fake ass war on drugs to the war on terrorism. The war on drugs is nothing more than a money maker for local, state and federal government.

[shane27]

Shane, I have to disagree with you with the war on drugs. Not that I'm a druggie or anything but please, PLEASE don't compare the fake ass war on drugs to the war on terrorism. The war on drugs is nothing more than a money maker for local, state and federal government.
if anyone knows that its me considering i love the cannabis plant, but its also to keep control so half the population is ****ed up all the time.

and im sorry you think its a "fake ass war." :lol:

[bubba428]

do you really think she has a chance? think about it. this country was founded by men, is run by men and will always be run by men. she doesn't have a chance in hell. ****, if she looked like she was going to win, someone would put a bullseye on her back. there are just too many weirdos in the united states for a woman to be elected president. and don't get me started on obama. want to see the south come alive? give him the nomination... :lol:

it's going to be john mccain. get used to it.

:usa: oops wrong flag :rofl:

Seriously though, I wouldn't doubt there being a serious issue in the south with obama...the only reason white dems are voting for him is cause Hillary is the anti-Christ

[Frosty]

if anyone knows that its me considering i love the cannabis plant, but its also to keep control so half the population is ****ed up all the time.

and im sorry you think its a "fake ass war." :lol:

See, weed isn't controlled, it's BANNED. With other drugs that are legal and ruining society it makes you question the motives behind the laws. If weed is illegal alcohol most certainly should. I'm not gonna turn this into a "everyone should be able to smoke weed" message but lets call it how it is man. There are drugs out there that are legal yet they're just as bad, if not worse than those that are banned.

You know that 60% of drug related prison inmates dealt with marijuana? Like I said....it's a $$$ maker.

The DEA seizes BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of dollars in drug $$ and property

[bubba428]

Bob you should have made it a poll.....

[unstable bob gable]

Bob you should have made it a poll.....

Everybody still woulda did their gum flexin' even with just a poll.

[Savage_Messiah]

you really think the iraq invasion was unprovoked (remember 9/11 guys?)

You link shows nothing that it was unprovoked. From your own link:

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."

Regardless, OK, so they had some chemical weapons. It was still unprovoked, go back to 2nd grade and pick up a dictionary. Show me where Iraq threatened us; and show me the Iraq-9/11 link and I'll shut up.

[jims69camaro]

:usa: oops wrong flag :rofl:

Seriously though, I wouldn't doubt there being a serious issue in the south with obama...the only reason white dems are voting for him is cause Hillary is the anti-Christ

i just call 'em like i see 'em... to hell with political-correctness. too many people are afraid to speak their minds. i've had it with the people who act like sheep. just as stupid as to follow the one ahead of them off the cliff.

[johnjzjz]

what some of our boys are up against not a video game not a movie the real film from the AC - 130 gunship on site and in the end our guys who were pined down being picked up -- in some shi$hole sand town -- if you cant run with the big dogs stay on the porch PAL -- for those who arm chair the war please keep your opinions to your self -- this is a serious business and second guessing the boys who are their DOING THE JOB their so we don't have to do it here GET IT NOW -- jz


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQhjaCgAS80&feature=related

[Knipps]

what some of our boys are up against not a video game not a movie the real film from the AC - 130 gunship on site and in the end our guys who were pined down being picked up -- in some shi$hole sand town -- if you cant run with the big dogs stay on the porch PAL -- for those who arm chair the war please keep your opinions to your self -- this is a serious business and second guessing the boys who are their DOING THE JOB their so we don't have to do it here GET IT NOW -- jz


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQhjaCgAS80&feature=related

John, i hate to break your heart but that's a clip of a video game.

[BigAls87Z28]

ahahahah...yes it is.
Call of Duty 4. I forget teh name of the level...but I love using the 105mm and watching bodies fly!!!

[BigAls87Z28]

Remember 9/11? Yeah, just a little bit.
I dont remember anyone of the Iraqi National Guard being on board of any of the planes? I dont remember Saddam getting up in front of teh world and laying claim? I dont think that out of the 4 planes, not a single Iraqi person was on it.
Osama is a Saudi. Most of the people on the planes were Saudi. Will we go into Saudi, and march our army into Ryiad? Can we topple the Shiek?
Osama's money is sourced from Saudi oil.
But we went into Iraq.

Hillary isnt the best candidate, but she sure as hell isnt the worst. Our country would be so lucky to have someone like her in office.
My vote is McCain and Hillary.

[Frosty]

The issue of us being in Iraq or not aside, didn't an article come out a few weeks ago sharing info that Saddam purposely led the US and UN on that he had WMD's knowing there would be some type of consequence?

[Frosty]

John, i hate to break your heart but that's a clip of a video game.

Yeah what he said. I love that level. :D

[BigAls87Z28]

Probably. He could have hoped that America would get caught in a quagmire, fighting a war on 2 fronts, a war that would never end. A Vietnam, an enemy of hit and run tactics, gurilea fighting. Fanatics pouring into Iraq to kill the western infidels. The longer we are there, the more they hate us. The more we put western companies and wester ideas into the heart of the Muslim world, the more the Fanatics are going to come out of the rafters.
Looks like Saddam got the last laugh.

[bubba428]

:rofl: @ COD4 clip HAHAHA I love that mission....

[Blacdout96]

lol, didnt even know the difference between real life and COD4. good game, its addicting.

[johnjzjz]

its the same way info gets distorted about who lied and who was not told the truth at the time -- something when it comes to the right the left is blind about and viza versa so mis informantion to someone is a LIE thats what i keepo reading -- jz

[WildBillyT]

Probably. He could have hoped that America would get caught in a quagmire, fighting a war on 2 fronts, a war that would never end. A Vietnam, an enemy of hit and run tactics, gurilea fighting. Fanatics pouring into Iraq to kill the western infidels. The longer we are there, the more they hate us. The more we put western companies and wester ideas into the heart of the Muslim world, the more the Fanatics are going to come out of the rafters.
Looks like Saddam got the last laugh.

I doubt it. I'm not going to comment on the war but in places like Dubai they welcome Western business with open arms.

[Slow 88]

Well, all I can say is that there is alot of shovinists around here!

[BigAls87Z28]

I doubt it. I'm not going to comment on the war but in places like Dubai they welcome Western business with open arms.

They welcome anyone who will buy thier stuff...yes.
They reject everything else, even our very existance in the Middle East. They dont say anything because of the business relationship.

[Blacdout96]

Al, ill be Frank, You can talk till your blue, but you cant change peoples minds, or beliefs in this world of politics and war and such, Ive been there, but when peopel are brainwashed that war is good and such, you cant change them. let them believe what they want, if thats what makes them happy, to be blind of the truth, then so be it. One voice no longer makes a difference, this world has changed, and its sad to see the U.S. go down the drain in such a way.

[bubba428]

how do you know that your not the one who's been brain washed by the ******** on TV...you wouldn't your point is null, STFU. But you are correct that once somebodies mind is set you can't change it

[WildBillyT]

They welcome anyone who will buy thier stuff...yes.
They reject everything else, even our very existance in the Middle East. They dont say anything because of the business relationship.

And what is your basis for this? Do you know many businessmen that have gone to the UAE? This way of thinking is very short sighted.

[johnjzjz]

Al, ill be Frank, You can talk till your blue, but you cant change peoples minds, or beliefs in this world of politics and war and such, Ive been there, but when peopel are brainwashed that war is good and such, you cant change them. let them believe what they want, if thats what makes them happy, to be blind of the truth, then so be it. One voice no longer makes a difference, this world has changed, and its sad to see the U.S. go down the drain in such a way.

(((((Ive been there,(((((((((((


WELL I HAVE TO SO ( WHAT COMBAT ARENA WERE YOU IN YOUNG FELLOW )ANOTHER VETERAN WOULD LIKE TO KNOW

101ST Airborne 1967 / 1970

[Frosty]

Al, ill be Frank, You can talk till your blue, but you cant change peoples minds, or beliefs in this world of politics and war and such, Ive been there, but when peopel are brainwashed that war is good and such, you cant change them. let them believe what they want, if thats what makes them happy, to be blind of the truth, then so be it. One voice no longer makes a difference, this world has changed, and its sad to see the U.S. go down the drain in such a way.

This country has been going down the ****ter WAY before this controversial war.

[Icemansghost]

I want Mccain and Huckelby for office.......

[Knipps]

i'm screwed either way, i just need to finish my education before i go anywhere

[Frosty]

Screw Huckabee, the guy is another psycho religious nut. He thought people with AIDS should have been quarantined for Christ sake :rofl:

It's a shame the political party I feel close with hides behind religion to justify discrimination.

[shane27]

Remember 9/11? Yeah, just a little bit.
I dont remember anyone of the Iraqi National Guard being on board of any of the planes? I dont remember Saddam getting up in front of teh world and laying claim? I dont think that out of the 4 planes, not a single Iraqi person was on it.
Osama is a Saudi. Most of the people on the planes were Saudi. Will we go into Saudi, and march our army into Ryiad? Can we topple the Shiek?
Osama's money is sourced from Saudi oil.
But we went into Iraq.



and what do u think of WWII, why were we fighting germans in africa when we were attacked by japan? cause thats where the enemy was. and terrorists {remember them?) were in iraq becasue thats one of the places terrorists are. obviously they are else where but you can only focus on one area at a time. and no it wasnt saddam that was behind 9.11 is was bin laden. but does that mean saddam was a good man?

[BigAls87Z28]

and what do u think of WWII, why were we fighting germans in africa when we were attacked by japan? cause thats where the enemy was. and terrorists {remember them?) were in iraq becasue thats one of the places terrorists are. obviously they are else where but you can only focus on one area at a time. and no it wasnt saddam that was behind 9.11 is was bin laden. but does that mean saddam was a good man?

After we had declaired war on Japan, Germany declaired war on the US.
I dont recall any declaration of war signed by Saddam, causing us to scare for our freedom where U boats would be off the coast, in which there would be whole black outs on the shore so that the U boats didnt know exactly how close they were.
Saddam's navy didnt blow up several supply ships trying to get to England.
We attacked Germany in Africa based on a strategic manuver. The approach was set up by Churchill to attack the "soft underbelly" of Africa, Italy, and capture the southern part of Europe. From there, they could launch an attack on the "fortress" of Northern Europe, especially the coast of France.
To compare WWII to this quagmire of crap, an illegal invasion of a soverign nation that never directly attacked us, nor made any major military action towards the US or its allies is, on top of a half hearted war to get this country into a ferver by walking into the disaster of Afganastan only to cut all support and leave our troops there to fight a Taliban and alQuidea forces to DOUBLE in size since the invasion and growing has got to be the dumbest thing I have read on here since Wayfast signed up.

[shane27]

After we had declaired war on Japan, Germany declaired war on the US.
I dont recall any declaration of war signed by Saddam, causing us to scare for our freedom where U boats would be off the coast, in which there would be whole black outs on the shore so that the U boats didnt know exactly how close they were.
Saddam's navy didnt blow up several supply ships trying to get to England.
We attacked Germany in Africa based on a strategic manuver. The approach was set up by Churchill to attack the "soft underbelly" of Africa, Italy, and capture the southern part of Europe. From there, they could launch an attack on the "fortress" of Northern Europe, especially the coast of France.
To compare WWII to this quagmire of crap, an illegal invasion of a soverign nation that never directly attacked us, nor made any major military action towards the US or its allies is, on top of a half hearted war to get this country into a ferver by walking into the disaster of Afganastan only to cut all support and leave our troops there to fight a Taliban and alQuidea forces to DOUBLE in size since the invasion and growing has got to be the dumbest thing I have read on here since Wayfast signed up.al quidea and taliban are a mess right now idk where u get your sources, i assume the left wing media, if you listen to people over in iraq they will tell you the trie story

and im not comparing the wars, history repeats itself. enouff said im out

[jims69camaro]

about the only comparison i can find between WWII and desert debacle is the number of dead people after a sneak attack by the enemy. 3000 in each instance. sad-ham and his sons may not have directly attacked the US, but they were out of control and could be considered enemies of the US since they liked to invade kuwait so much, and kuwait (since desert shield) had been one of our allies.

we should have attacked our real enemy in the M.E., that being saudi arabia. those sneaks in sheets have been funding al qaeda and the taliban for a long time, long enough that al qaeda and osama bin hiding had enough cash to sponsor the 20 or so soldiers they used to attack the money center of the US: wall street. it's easy to be misled and say there was a connection between the two: iraq and al qaeda, but i see it a lot simpler than that. we goofed by invading iraq before we had osama - he's been hiding in afghanistan and pakistan since he led the attack on US, not iraq.

i get my news from the internet, btw, from as many sources as i can find so i am not getting one tainted view. i remember saying way back when that we would find out who our true enemies were once we started stomping around over there, namely, saudi arabia. we can't just trump up some charges and head into their country like we could with iraq, though, so i wonder how this whole mess is going to be resolved. the war on terror was a complete debacle and has not netted us the desired result of peace in the M.E., nor osama's head.

the next president, in addition to having a mess on his hands with the war over there, is going to have to have strong foreign policy in order to route out our friends from our enemies and then make a statement. i don't know how that is going to unfold, but i know i don't envy who ever gets the reins from bush.

[Savage_Messiah]

and im not comparing the wars, history repeats itself. enouff said im out

Exactly, this is vietnam pt 2

[jims69camaro]

Exactly, this is vietnam pt 2

inasmuch as we won't "win" this war, but not much else can be compared. we owned the skies, we owned the initial ground assault, we crippled them inside of days. the reason it has dragged on so long, unlike viet nam, is that this is urban warfare.

like the viet cong, these al qaeda and taliban members can hide among their people, as there is no uniform or other way of telling who is your enemy and who isn't. that's why when we were kicking ass, and taking names, we were winning. now, trying to route out who is the enemy has basically stalled the military action over there, and our soldiers are nothing more than glorified policemen.

i say recall the majority of the troops. leave behind the seals, rangers and other specialized forces to pick off the enemy (through intel and other means), with a carrier off the coast to provide them with whatever air or other support as needed. that may provide us with a win as opposed to withdrawing the troops and running with our tail between our legs like we did in viet nam.

i think the focus has been lost. it was to route out the leaders of the taliban and al qaeda. then we were sidetracked with this whole iraq debacle, which basically hasn't produced real tangible results.

[johnjzjz]

Exactly, this is Vietnam pt 2



and you are completely right Vietnam 2 -- WOW -- and because of the direct effect the left had on this country at the time the animals who took over Cambodia < its next store BTW -- executed everyone in their country who had more than a 3 grade education some 5 or 6 million people some estimates said at the time ( and they are still in the stone age ) that BTW was happening when they realized we were not as a real armed force going to be able to do anything to them < political correctness at its best

so because of the strangle hold by the all the leftest who thought they knew better -- ( GEEE it seemed like i was just reading that sort of thing ) the AREA we were in than is not that different an AREA > the place we are in now in the middle east geeeee you think they WHAT < i KNOW they will say its BUSHES fault yep folks thars the reason -- and if this moron makes it > osomha bomma who will pull the USA out the same day he gets in the most liberal douche in congress its bushes fault again the than thousands who will be murdered BUT you don't get that part DO YOU -- i know halaburton and bush were directly responsable for 911 YA THINK --- If you dont have real direct truthfull input please i dont want to hear the latest from AL Frankin and the ILK --jz

[Savage_Messiah]

It's funny how everyone has to shift the blame to someone else.

[87GTA]

if either hilary or obama win the race i can forsee an assassination attempt. the country is due for another one considering the fact that there hasn't been an assassination attempt since reagan. half country wants hillary and the other half wants obama so either way somebody wont be happy at all


i have no vote...

[qwikz28]

please no religion bashing in this thread. this is a political thread, please keep posts civil. thanks

[Blacdout96]

ok, this whole thread has gottan way out of what the original question was. either you guys keep it to a yes or know ,or dont post. I say lock this b1tch up, everyone is beatinga dead horse, and personally, politics should not be discussed on this board cause it always causes arguments like this.

[Icemansghost]

sorry for getting crazy over this. I deleted my posts. I guess thats what happens when your stuck in a tent.....

[WildBillyT]

ok, this whole thread has gottan way out of what the original question was. either you guys keep it to a yes or know ,or dont post. I say lock this b1tch up, everyone is beatinga dead horse, and personally, politics should not be discussed on this board cause it always causes arguments like this.

Exactly right. Usually politics and religion are banned discussions on message boards as all they do is make people bicker and fight. We haven't locked this yet because we want to see if people can handle it here.

[GrandmasterCow]

Exactly right. Usually politics and religion are banned discussions on message boards as all they do is make people bicker and fight. We haven't locked this yet because we want to see if people can handle it here.

Yup as as stated above, the topic is NOT looking for a discussion, just an answer: HILLARY? (http://www.njfboa.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31942) NOT lets start arguing politics/religion.

[jims69camaro]

i don't see any fighting. :shrug:

[shane27]

ill "fight" with half these people and then ill be drinking with them at paul's or something a week or two later thats all i will say

BTW i just found http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080217/ap_on_re_as/afghan_violence
ya, we shouldnt be trying to kill these people, we should try to negotiate right?

i also thought the end to the first paragraph was intresting as well

" ...What appeared to be the deadliest terror attack in Afghanistan since the fall of the Taliban in 2001.."

[Slow 88]

ill "fight" with half these people and then ill be drinking with them at paul's or something a week or two later thats all i will say

BTW i just found http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080217/ap_on_re_as/afghan_violence
ya, we shouldnt be trying to kill these people, we should try to negotiate right?

i also thought the end to the first paragraph was intresting as well

" ...What appeared to be the deadliest terror attack in Afghanistan since the fall of the Taliban in 2001.."



Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, Yemen and I know I'm missing one two more should just be Bombed until the sand is covered with 3ft. of water or oil whatever comes first...

Especially Iran!! This joker Mahmoud Ahmadinejad if anybody would be considered the anti-christ!! He is along the same lines as Hitler in my book...

There is alot of good articles here about iran.... http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/iran/index.html

Oh and Bubba428, that was a stupid ass comment about Hillary being the anti-christ!

[shane27]

we should just make them all a big parking lot and steal their oil :twisted::twisted::twisted:

[JerzyIroc]

i think we should all vote for rambo

[johnjzjz]

After we had declaired war on Japan, Germany declaired war on the US.
I dont recall any declaration of war signed by Saddam, causing us to scare for our freedom where U boats would be off the coast, in which there would be whole black outs on the shore so that the U boats didnt know exactly how close they were.
Saddam's navy didnt blow up several supply ships trying to get to England.
We attacked Germany in Africa based on a strategic manuver. The approach was set up by Churchill to attack the "soft underbelly" of Africa, Italy, and capture the southern part of Europe. From there, they could launch an attack on the "fortress" of Northern Europe, especially the coast of France.
To compare WWII to this quagmire of crap, an illegal invasion of a soverign nation that never directly attacked us, nor made any major military action towards the US or its allies is, on top of a half hearted war to get this country into a ferver by walking into the disaster of Afganastan only to cut all support and leave our troops there to fight a Taliban and alQuidea forces to DOUBLE in size since the invasion and growing has got to be the dumbest thing I have read on here since Wayfast signed up.

has got to be the dumbest thing I have read on here since Wayfast signed up

we have a 14 year old kid who lives for knowledge about car stuff - carbs engine blocks what ever - and you use him as a goof to your post - perhaps you will give stupid advise about a car something and i will have a opportunity to correct you in that sort of goof as well - weak dude -- jz

[Savage_Messiah]

has got to be the dumbest thing I have read on here since Wayfast signed up

we have a 14 year old kid who lives for knowledge about car stuff - carbs engine blocks what ever - and you use him as a goof to your post - perhaps you will give stupid advise about a car something and i will have a opportunity to correct you in that sort of goof as well - weak dude -- jz

Wow, nice way of avoiding his points

[Tru2Chevy]

Wow, nice way of avoiding his points

FWIW, Al's post was directed at Shane I believe....not John.

- Justin

[johnjzjz]

Wow, nice way of avoiding his points

this guy is my hero do you agree

http://www.dotsub.com/films/moredemands/index.php?autostart=true&language_setting=en_1618

[PBodyGT87]

Al, you need spell check, and desperately. Declared, not declaired. And Maneuver, not manuver. Sovereign, not soverign. Fervor, not ferver. Al Qaeda, not alQuidea. Fervor is also not quite used in the appropriate context, because it refers mostly to an emotional willingness to speak, but I get the idea. "Though you stated your opinion with great fervor, your spelling errors made your statement appear less intelligible."
Love,

Grammar Nazi.

(it's ok, you can hate me, i know you do.)

[firebirdcrazy]

I can not believe this post is still going !!!

[Frosty]

and going and going and going :lol:

[bubba428]

This isn't even about Hillary anymore :rofl: its become some kind of monster of the same few people arguing null points....its like the E-Twilight Zone

[firebirdcrazy]

Chelsea Clinton recently discussed current events with a U.S. soldier.


She asked if, as an American fighting man, anything scared him .

He told her there were only three things he feared:


1) Osama



2) Obama



AND

3) Yo Mama










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[Knipps]

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[edpontiac91]

Chelsea Clinton Joke was the BEST. LMAO, I think this entire tread needed it! :kneeslap: Cause like the Pink Bunny upstairs, IT KEEPS GOING AND GOING AND GOING AND GOING AND GOING-you get the picture! :horse:

[firebirdcrazy]

it would have been better with the pictures I just couldnt get them in there. Anyone give me an email so I can send it to you. maybe you can post it for me!!!

[johnjzjz]

This isn't even about Hillary anymore :rofl: its become some kind of monster of the same few people arguing null points....its like the E-Twilight Zone

its a shame you see or dont see what is going on in america today a ((((( NULL POINT ))))) -- jz

[BigAls87Z28]

There was a few shirts in Urban Outfiters about Hillary, Obama and Guliani.
Hillary is My Homegirl
Obama Fo Yo Momma
and
G is for Guliani.

And btw. I know where Guliani put all the homeless. Baltimore.

[Icemansghost]

"Presidential candidate Barack Obama ... went door to door in Iowa over the weekend to talk about his opposition to the war and gain votes. Hillary Clinton also went door to door -- not looking for votes, trying to find her husband." --Jay Leno

[String]

Im voting for my cat! :nutkick: