Obama vs. Clinton

[alamantia]

Why does the media make such a big deal of Obama vs. Clinton when in teh end McCain is the next president anyway, seems like a waist of time to me.

[bubba428]

cause theres nothing else to use to pit us against each other...but I'm voting for McCain and think both Hillary and Obama can burn in hell. if hillary is elected that commie whore with destroy or economy(think bush was bad, that was nothing) and obama, well he'd turn America into an Obama-nation :lol:

[WildBillyT]

ANNOUNCEMENT:

Everybody keep posts like this civil or it will be a ghost faster than you can say "Fascism".

-Bill

[alamantia]

Okaaay, maybe not exactly the most intelligent thing I have read today but I would have to agree with Bubba 100%

[firehawk1120]

the media has to give the democrats some hope of winning. Look at your party!!! On one hand you have the 1st Female Presidential candidate and on the other hand you have the 1st Black Presidential candidate you are the party of change. GO YOU!!!!

Too bad the female is a classless, no backbone, psychotic, dyke.

and the black guy is more white then black with no real plan just likes saying the word CHANGE alot.

[BigAls87Z28]

Someone produce evidence that she will destroy an economy that has been destroyed, is a psycho, a dyke or anything else said?

[bubba428]

Someone produce evidence that she will destroy an economy that has been destroyed, is a psycho, a dyke or anything else said?

whoah there big guy, nobody said shes a dyke. but she is a psychotic power whore bent on destroying the USA

[BigAls87Z28]

the media has to give the democrats some hope of winning. Look at your party!!! On one hand you have the 1st Female Presidential candidate and on the other hand you have the 1st Black Presidential candidate you are the party of change. GO YOU!!!!

Too bad the female is a classless, no backbone, psychotic, dyke.

and the black guy is more white then black with no real plan just likes saying the word CHANGE alot.

whoah there big guy, nobody said shes a dyke.

Uh...yes someone did

but she is a psychotic power whore bent on destroying the USA

Again...show this?

[bubba428]

Uh...yes someone did



Again...show this?

why bother...your hell bent on defending her and no mater what anybody says your going to keep saying the same thing over and over. just like the rest of the democrats, if you talk really loud and keep saying the same thing, people might start to believe it.

[BigAls87Z28]

Ok, so you cannot produce any reason or anything that Clinton will do a poor job?
You just wana watch Fox News and just repeat what they say?

I dont want this to get into a political rant, but no one can show me where Clinton will do a poor job?
Same people who voted Bush in TWICE are the same people that tell me that Clinton sucks.
As for the answer...its because Obama and Clinton are in a tight race for the Dem nomination, and since everyone is sick and tired of the death toll in Iraq and our failure in Afganastan, and Britney Spear's updates, the failing economy, the destruction of the housing market, the skyrocketing oil prices based on speculation, and all the other great stuff, this is the most relevent topic that people wana talk about.

[BonzoHansen]

Why does the media make such a big deal of Obama vs. Clinton when in teh end McCain is the next president anyway, seems like a waist of time to me.

Assumptions are like......

[bubba428]

I part of the debate, got pissed off from there half baked schemes to just make it all better. besides your forgetting one KEY aspect. Once elected will any of that happen. Do you think Hillary will keep her word, do you think Obama would keep his word. I'd trust McCain to do what he says he will, far before I'd trust either of them. What does Hillary know about war, NOTHING, her husband didn't do anything about anything. He singed bills into act that did not become effective till well after Bush was in office. What to say she won't do the same. It worked for bill because Osama didn't attack twice, well now were at war with his followers and remember a vote for hill is a vote for bill. whats going to happen is she'll pull a large number of soldiers out, the Al queda thats still there will start attacking in VERY large numbers and our remaining troops will be slaughtered along with our allies and any other America friendly political figure. Don't even get me started on her government heath care, look at Europe, they come HERE for our higher quality of medical facilities and the fact that they don't need to be on a waiting list to have life saving surgery. Thats why I don't support hillary. Obama has no idea what he's doing or getting himself into, just watch him talk, end of story. You ask for proof, thee is no youtube or quote that will provide proof cause both candidates have talked so many circles, they actually running against them selves, its a race to see who get caught 1st

Now McCain has been to war, he knows what its like he know how we need to fight an organized group radicals. McCain is an older man and he understands the needs that our seniors have, and eventually we will be seniors too.

[BigAls87Z28]

I will probably vote for McCain either way, but again no one can tell me exactly what makes Hillary a bad person?
People come to the US for our health service, and somehow this is all gunna change, and we are gunna have crappy doctors when we have a national healthcare system? I think a hybrid system, one with base coverage for everyone while those that want more, pay for more. Just like a car. Its not a crazy idea and is done everywhere.

Hillary cannot make the command to bring all troops home. It wont happen over night, but it will be a slow withdraw. Keep our apperance in the middle east to as little as possible.
How about send troops to Afganastan where they are losing ground to a stronger Taliban?
Obama has shown me little as far as foreign and domestic policy. Lot a talk about Change, but I dont see where its coming from. His idea's mimic Hillary but Id rather have her in there then him due to her knowlage of the job, and experiance of her husband.

[johnjzjz]

Well even bill don't like her much sleeping with anything in a skirt at any time < but you gotta love a woman who stays with a guy who she knows every one in the (( world ))knows > her husband is a cheating dog

And to me that is your answer < you want this woman ? knowing what we know running the country and making decision's with that sort of mind set

your woman would have done what ?????????????? not what she did > she ups and runs for president of the USA - and are you still confused -- jz

[chemicalstylez]

Democrats are a weak party...if either one gets elected were in trouble. Kiss 70% of our armed forces goodbye, and say hello to tons of attacks. McCain FTW.

[alamantia]

Democrats dont like cars either

[Frosty]

Al, Clinton's universal healthcare will cripple this economy. The government is spending enough as it is, spending more is NOT the answer. She wants to raise taxes on the rich...ok great...piss off the people that ARE spending $$. She has no plans to cut or freeze corporate taxes...GREAT, help force out or worry the companies that ARE here. The only companies that will flourish under her plans are the drug companies. Think about it, why do you think they're rallying behind her? Her financial plans will put us in the red by $210 billion. She DEMANDS this and will MANDATE that. Great, she has a plan and will do what it takes to get it done but her constant desire for power will not allow the left and the right to work together(I have no proof of that last statement, just an observation). She's flip-flopped on a few issues and quite frankly I don't trust her. She will do whatever it takes to gain power. Her campaign is very symbolic of the person she is, she hasn't really attacked Obama's plans but rather she's attacked HIM as the PERSON. Now granted, both of their plans are very similar so I guess that's all she can attack.

[trashman01]

:dancinglock:

[Ian]

Democrats are a weak party...if either one gets elected were in trouble. Kiss 70% of our armed forces goodbye, and say hello to tons of attacks. McCain FTW.

since America has been a nation, we've been attacked 2 or 3 times. Mexican war we got invaded for a few hours, the first world trade center bombing and the second world trade center attack.

we have a pretty good track record of not getting attacked. besides, I'd rather have all my freedom and worry about getting attacked than have limited freedom with a false hope of safety.

[1972LT1]

I'm not voting till I see what these leeches are all about. Politicians are all crooks, it's just choosing the lesser of 2 evils. And I'm also sick of this 2 party system...PEOPLE there are more than 2 parties out there. Voting third party is not throwing your vote away, it's voicing your displeasure. F@ck the cracker ***** Republicans and the wanna be Democrats!

[johnjzjz]

since America has been a nation, we've been attacked 2 or 3 times. Mexican war we got invaded for a few hours, the first world trade center bombing and the second world trade center attack.

we have a pretty good track record of not getting attacked. besides, I'd rather have all my freedom and worry about getting attacked than have limited freedom with a false hope of safety.

i guess the British don't count 1776 or so < maybe the date will help > and pearl harbor was what another put up job and the Lusitania was sunk by U boat 691 ya think before we went to war with them i could go on but whats the point --

MY guess the liberal sites ignore what is real with America and history is not taught at all anymore

[BigAls87Z28]

If you want to get technical, we were a british commonwealth, not a country when we faught the Revolution. Pearl Harbor was a military attack on an island that was not part of the US at the time.
Lusitania was a British cruise ship. Americans were on it, with possible wepons going to Britian. I belive we didnt go to war in WWI till we intercepted a letter from the German leader to the Mexican President about invading our southern boarder to distract us from going to war in Europe.

[Ian]

i guess the British don't count 1776 or so < maybe the date will help > and pearl harbor was what another put up job and the Lusitania was sunk by U boat 691 ya think before we went to war with them i could go on but whats the point --

MY guess the liberal sites ignore what is real with America and history is not taught at all anymore

perhaps I should have worded my first statement better and excluded the Mexican war part. I was referring to acts of terrorism. unprovoked, non-military attacks.

the revolutionary war was just that, a war. pearl harbor was a military installation that was attacked by another country's military. As Al already said, the Lusitania was a British ship that was sunk off the coast of Ireland. By no means am I trying to down play the importance of any of these events, but they are not "terrorist" attacks. They are all acts of war.


I also do not appreciate being talked down to. Yeah, I'm young and no, I've never been in combat but that does not make me any less of a person. You're also very quick to label me a liberal when you know nothing of my views.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Pretty sure we just had one of these threads.

[BonzoHansen]

Pretty sure we just had one of these threads.

You see, all political threads end exactly the same way. A bicker-fest. That is why most forums don't allow them.

[johnjzjz]

perhaps I should have worded my first statement better and excluded the Mexican war part. I was referring to acts of terrorism. unprovoked, non-military attacks.

the revolutionary war was just that, a war. pearl harbor was a military installation that was attacked by another country's military. As Al already said, the Lusitania was a British ship that was sunk off the coast of Ireland. By no means am I trying to down play the importance of any of these events, but they are not "terrorist" attacks. They are all acts of war.


I also do not appreciate being talked down to. Yeah, I'm young and no, I've never been in combat but that does not make me any less of a person. You're also very quick to label me a liberal when you know nothing of my views.


I also do not appreciate being talked down to. < i do apologize if thats how you took that - it was not meant the way i guess it was written and being young is an advantage - being a geaser like i am lets me be a bastard and not care at the time i do it -

had you not in another post called yourself a liberal i would not have made that assumption on my own

no excuses -- ME pointing out bad behavior to explain other bad behavior is just dumb - jz

[Ian]

I called myself a liberal? jeez, I should watch what I say :lol:

I voted for a republican in the primaries.

[qwikz28]

well... in case you don't care about politics and want to get involved, here is a list i found on ls1tech of the candidates and what they claim to drive.

DEMS--
Joe Biden: No Response
Chris Dodd: Ford Escape Hybrid
John Edwards: Ford Escape Hybrid (2007)
Mike Gravel: No Response
Dennis Kucinich: No Response
Barack Obama: Chrysler 300
Bill Richardson: No Response
Hillary Clinton: No Response

REPUBS--
Rudy Guiliani: An aide reported that he doesn't own a car
Mike Huckabee: Chevrolet Tahoe Flexfuel (2007)
Duncan Hunter: Chevrolet Suburban (1987) [Year not a typo]
John McCain: Cadillac CTS
Ron Paul: Lincoln Town Car, Buick Skylark
Mitt Romney: Ford Mustang Convertible (2005), AMC Rambler (1962)
Fred Thompson: "Volvo SUV"

ps- thread also said that Mccain used to have a nasty blown 4th gen TA. don't know if anyone has heard that before

[PBodyGT87]

I'm going to try to explain the issue with health care, nicely, and with a little more detail on the issue.

That is correct, Europe puts patients on a waiting :flower:list for free health care. Patients with minor injuries or :flower: heath issues can be taken care of quickly, however, something like cancer treatment gets the waiting list. :flower: Cancer patients are more likely to suffer and die before they get treatment there, so they come over here. Now, :flower: the US charges an awful lot, but you get immediate treatment. Why is the treatment so expensive? Well, for one :flower: we allow our country to sue the medical system for millions, thanks to our greedy lawyers. In Europe, if they make a mistake, oh well, it was free. But here, our medical system is constantly getting sued for millions and millions of dollars, for what? To :flower: bring someone back from the dead? The more they make mistakes, the more we sue, the more money they lose, the more money it costs. Now, Hillary would like to mandate health care. This is a :flower: very difficult thing to try to do because no matter how cheap we make the lowest form of health care, what that person pays for their low cost insurance still gets taxed so much that it negates the low cost. :Flower: Unless we make health care free, it will never be low cost so long as it is immediate. McCain offers not to tax what you pay in bills, which saves a few thousand dollars on each 5 or 10 thousand dollar bill. And currently, if you are without heath care, and you go to the hospital, you can fill out some papers and the state of New Jersey :flower: will take care of at least 50% of the bill, and most of the rest the hospital doesn't charge the uninsured for under their special funding programs, which cuts the bill down to almost nothing. It's a lot cheaper for someone without health insurance to pay a 15,000 dollar bill having it cut down to 2,000 than to pay for yearly health insurance that would be taxed anyway. :flower:

[qwikz28]

liz, clinton just said she does not want to mandate health care. i don't get it

[Knipps]

No wonder Romney's got UBG's vote :lol:

[bubba428]

liz, clinton just said she does not want to mandate health care. i don't get it

Shes a LIAR, not that they all aren't. shes just blatantly obvious about it

[BigAls87Z28]

I dont think she will MANDATE healthcare, but she want to make healthcare more affordable.

[Icemansghost]

From: those of us who spent time in the military, believe in our military and support the men and women of our military, read on............. ~
John Glenn (DEMOCRAT) said this ----- It should make you think a little:

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January. That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq .

When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following:


FDR (DEMOCRAT) led us into World War II.

Germany never attacked us ; Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
an aver age of 112,500 per year.



Truman (DEMOCRAT) finished that war and started one in Korea
North Korea never attacked us
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost .
an average of 18,334 per year.

John F. Kennedy (DEMOCRAT) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson ( DEMOCRAT) turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost
an average of 5,800 per year.

Clinton (DEMOCRAT) went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
multiple occasions.

In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush
has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya , Iran , and, North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. And the Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking.

But Wait, There's more!

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno (DEMOCRAT)
to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation..


Isn't she a sight???
We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons
in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton (DEMOCRAT) to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.







It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his
Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida !!!



Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB !
The Military morale is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant
to realize the facts

But Wait

There's more!


JOHN GLENN (on the Senate floor - January 26, 2004)

Some people still don't understand why military personnel
do what they do for a living. This exchange between
Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum
is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressiv e
impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one
man's explanation of why men and women in the armed
services do what they do for a living.

This IS a typical, though sad, example of what
some who have never served think of the military.

Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
'How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?'

Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
'I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps.
I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different
occasi ons. I was in the space program. It wasn't my
checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was
not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off t o take the
daily cash receipts to the bank.'

'I ask you to go with me .. . as I went the other day...
to a veteran's hospital and look those men ...
with their mangled bodies . in the eye, and tell THEM
they didn't hold a job!


You go with me to the Space Program at NASA
and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans
of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...
and you look those kids in the eye and tell them
that their DAD'S didn't hold a job.



You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in
Arlington National Cemetery , where I have more friends
buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch
those waving flags.
You stand there, and you think about this nation,
and you have the gall to tell ME that those people didn't have a job?

What about Metzenbaum?'

For those who don't r emember
During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney
representing the Communist Party in the USA

Now he's a Senator!

If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.



It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating. I AM!!!

[WildBillyT]

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB !
The Military morale is high!



You had me reading up until this part. He is not doing a fine job, and the general feeling amongst most Americans proves it. There is more to being a good president and good leader than national security and military strength.

[Savage_Messiah]

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January. That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq . So why are we more concerned with ensuring Iraqi safety then bettering our own country?

FDR (DEMOCRAT) led us into World War II.

Germany never attacked us ; Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
an aver age of 112,500 per year. If we hadn't gotten involved in WW2 the Axis would have finished takign europe, and we'd probably be speaking German right now.



Truman (DEMOCRAT) finished that war and started one in Korea
North Korea never attacked us
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost .
an average of 18,334 per year.

Communist North Korea invaded South Korea, and the UN voted to support S. Korea and send in troops. We happened to send in the most.

John F. Kennedy (DEMOCRAT) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.

Fair. We tryed to play police and "fix" another coutry... and didn't learn our lesson.

Johnson ( DEMOCRAT) turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost
an average of 5,800 per year. the whole thing was a quagmire, and Johnson shoulda withdrew much much sooner and cut our losses


Clinton (DEMOCRAT) went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
Eh? Then remind me why there were UN troops there? And why NATO was actively involved in the war as well?

Bosnia was torn in civil war... make up your mind, is stopping war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide good or bad?

He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
multiple occasions.


When did he attack us before 1998?


In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush
has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya , Iran , and, North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. And the Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking.

What countries has he liberated? By liberated, I mean are stable now and will remain so if we withdraw our troops. And OK, we got Saddam, but what about bil Laden, the one who actually attacked us?

But Wait, There's more!

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno (DEMOCRAT)
to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation..


Isn't she a sight???
We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons
in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton (DEMOCRAT) to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.







It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his
Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida !!!

WE STILL HAVEN'T TAKEN IRAQ

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB !
The Military morale is high!

The biased media hopes we are too ignorant
to realize the facts
Now I'm not sure abotu the military morale, but what's Bush's approval rating right now?


But Wait

There's more!


JOHN GLENN (on the Senate floor - January 26, 2004)

Some people still don't understand why military personnel
do what they do for a living. This exchange between
Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum
is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressiv e
impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one
man's explanation of why men and women in the armed
services do what they do for a living.

This IS a typical, though sad, example of what
some who have never served think of the military.

Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
'How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?'

Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
'I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps.
I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different
occasi ons. I was in the space program. It wasn't my
checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was
not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off t o take the
daily cash receipts to the bank.'

'I ask you to go with me .. . as I went the other day...
to a veteran's hospital and look those men ...
with their mangled bodies . in the eye, and tell THEM
they didn't hold a job!


You go with me to the Space Program at NASA
and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans
of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...
and you look those kids in the eye and tell them
that their DAD'S didn't hold a job.



You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in
Arlington National Cemetery , where I have more friends
buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch
those waving flags.
You stand there, and you think about this nation,
and you have the gall to tell ME that those people didn't have a job?

What about Metzenbaum?'

For those who don't r emember
During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney
representing the Communist Party in the USA

Now he's a Senator!

If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.



That is COMPLETELY unrelated to the rest of the e-mail, and I completely agree with this part.


It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating. I AM!!!


It might not be a bad idea to do some research before you go sending chain e-mails everywhere.

[Frosty]

I dont think she will MANDATE healthcare, but she want to make healthcare more affordable.

Read the transcripts from her speeches, if she's saying she won't mandate healthcare now she's a boldfaced liar.

[zuuhlsT/A]

You should read the book Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg. You will find some frightening similarities between what the Democrates are pushing for thats the same as the Nazi's and Fascists pushed for!! Bloody scary!!! Vote Republican !!!!!:nod:

[Frosty]

You should read the book Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg.

I was going to pick that up next month. Glenn Beck had him on a few times last week, some scary info.

[johnjzjz]

Buoniconti81 < for the few of us who have been their we were taught respect for the office of the president and our superiors, who hold your life in the balance ( truth has a different meaning ) than a collage student -- you cant convince the young who have been brain washed by the 60s generation communist professors ( hippie morons who hate America and anything it stands for ) who have done their job well BTW with what you and I and lots of others see goes on when you try to have an open discussion about politics -- shame -- the puppet talk we always seem to get in a discussion like this they wont believe the moral in the service is at an all time high and reenlistment is also through the roof so to speak, it all falls on deaf ears they only see what the poison left has and continues to show them as truth, Mis Clinton will throw all of the military out of the VA system to achieve her health care program, because all the illegals will be serviced by the than government system, and as a voting block we mean nothing compared to them < truth be told --amnesty was it she said - she is a communist for sure and we as veterans mean nothing to those people its only sound bites when they speak about us to the drive by far left liberal media who in truth despise us as well - just remember ( LRB ) love respect & brotherhood -- 101st airborne -- jz

[Knipps]

than a collage student -- you cant convince the young who have been brain washed by the 60s generation communist professors ( hippie morons who hate America and anything it stands for )

:scratch:
what the hell are you talking about...

[Frosty]

John, while me and you agree on most things just because someone is young doesn't mean they're brainwashed. Just because someone doesn't agree with the current administration doesn't mean they're brainwashed. I'm a Republican, I voted for Bush both times but that doesn't mean I don't think he's a moron. Just because he and his people are our superiors doesn't mean they're not above being questioned. I've noticed that the hardcore right thinks that they're boy can't be questioned. Screw that. NOBODY is above having their actions questioned. I will NOT blindly follow someone because they're part of the party I subscribe to(same idea with my religious beliefs but that's another discussion for another time). No President is above the law whether it be Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr etc. To blindly follow a person or an idea without question is very irresponsible.

[bubba428]

indeed....I'm 20, and theres no way in hell i would belive the crap people try to push in the media

[johnjzjz]

John, while me and you agree on most things just because someone is young doesn't mean they're brainwashed. Just because someone doesn't agree with the current administration doesn't mean they're brainwashed. I'm a Republican, I voted for Bush both times but that doesn't mean I don't think he's a moron. Just because he and his people are our superiors doesn't mean they're not above being questioned. I've noticed that the hardcore right thinks that they're boy can't be questioned. Screw that. NOBODY is above having their actions questioned. I will NOT blindly follow someone because they're part of the party I subscribe to(same idea with my religious beliefs but that's another discussion for another time). No President is above the law whether it be Bush Jr, Clinton, Bush Sr etc. To blindly follow a person or an idea without question is very irresponsible.


i also don't agree with 1/2 of what bush has done for sure - i as well voted for him twice and bite my tongue after writing that but -

its not that the guys are young, its that they are young, they are easily swayed that gets me -- again i'm in a i cant make it clear --

i don't believe any politician - first they are all lawyers and are taught the truth is what you need people to believe at all cost - and so their is none

and i am for accountability but its not an English word in government today - jz

[Frosty]

and i am for accountability but its not an English word in government today - jz

So true man, so true....

[Knipps]

nader's running again... :shock:

[Tru2Chevy]

nader's running again... :shock:

Nader has run in every presidential election for the past 3 decades I think....

- Justin

[BonzoHansen]

If anyone notices ralphie joined, that could muck it up just enough for Bloomberg to make his move.

[johnjzjz]

about health care - jz

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

[BonzoHansen]

I don't know the right answer for HC, but I do not believe free market is it. You can't price shop for HC. If you're having a heart attack, are you going to ask 3 docs how much 1st? No.

I also know some Canadians who are not enchanted with their HC system. It's a very difficult issue.

[WildBillyT]

about health care - jz

http://www.freemarketcure.com/brainsurgery.php

The MRI deal is no BS. Canada has 1.7 MRI machines per million people.

[Tru2Chevy]

The MRI deal is no BS. Canada has 1.7 MRI machines per million people.

So they have about 1/2 of an MRI machine? :lol:

- Justin

[Frosty]

I don't know the right answer for HC, but I do not believe free market is it. You can't price shop for HC. If you're having a heart attack, are you going to ask 3 docs how much 1st? No.

I also know some Canadians who are not enchanted with their HC system. It's a very difficult issue.

Nor is France, one of the biggest supporters of a government run healthcare system.

There is no right answer and NO system is flawless. IMO NO American should be without coverage but to swing all control to the government scares me. I don't trust them enough to deliver my mail let alone control healthcare.

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

Problem solved. Vote for Ralph Nader :lol:

[WildBillyT]

be without coverage but to swing all control to the government scares me. I don't trust them enough to deliver my mail let alone control healthcare.

I have trouble thinking of anything that was switched over to government control that is working optimally.

[BigAls87Z28]

From: those of us who spent time in the military, believe in our military and support the men and women of our military, read on............. ~
John Glenn (DEMOCRAT) said this ----- It should make you think a little:

There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January. That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq .

When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following:

Lets get crackin...



FDR (DEMOCRAT) led us into World War II.

Germany never attacked us ; Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
an aver age of 112,500 per year.



Are you serious? Maybe we should have just sat back and let everyone just rail on us? Japan made a DIRECT ATTACK ON AN AMERICAN MILITARY BASE!!!! IT WIPED OUT 90% OF OUR PACIFIC FLEET in a matter of HOURS.
We declaired war on Japan, and then Germany declaired war on America. To have the BALLS to compare WWII to this ******** Bush has gotten us into takes levels of ******* unseen on the internet till now. I know you did not write all that, but cut and pasted it from somewhere, so do not take that as a direct attack on you, but I do question whoever uses this as truth or something to make a point on.



Truman (DEMOCRAT) finished that war and started one in Korea
North Korea never attacked us
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost .
an average of 18,334 per year.


North Korea attacked South Korea in an attempt to reunite the country after it was divided by Russian/Chinese backed Communisim vs American/Nato backed Democracy. North Korea moved first, in which Ameirca helped, as the Russians and Chinese did for the North. Again, the context of how the war started was REAL. The spread of communisim is what we wanted to stop. The Domino effect of nations falling to Communisim is what we wanted to stop.


John F. Kennedy (DEMOCRAT) started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.


We never faught in Vietnam then, we sent in advisors to help support Democratic and Ameircan friendly South Vietnam against the Communist North. We were in support, not in an offensive.


Johnson ( DEMOCRAT) turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost
an average of 5,800 per year.


Vietnam was a quagmire for other reasons, not cause he was a democrat. We went into Vietnam to prevent the spread, not to attack. It was a massive police action, and a waste of people. We did not fight a war. We were in a constant ambush. Much like we are today. We went to full war after a overhyped Gulf of Tomkin attack on a Navy patrol boat. What followed was in fact a waste.


Clinton (DEMOCRAT) went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
multiple occasions.


We went into Bosina to stop the ethnic cleansing that was going on in levels that havent been seen in Europe since Hitler decided to take out 11 million people. And what did we do? We marched in, we got the people we wanted, we brought that assbag President Milosavich to the Hage and he was sent into a prision cell. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!
But nooooo that was all a rouse!! Its cause Clinton was getting a BLOW JOB!! Thats it!! Thats why we went in!!!

OH yeah? 3 times?
I remember when Clinton wanted to take military action against a chemical wepons plant, that the people and Repubulicans wanted NOT to send in troops, but find an easier way. So we sent in several tomahawks and blew it off the face of the earth. And still...Clinton did it to hide his blowjob.


In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush
has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya , Iran , and, North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. And the Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking.



********!! LIberated two countries?
Crushed the Taliban?
Crippled Al-Qaida?
Liberated ZERO. Iraq is in a constant civil war, and people are dying while Americans are caught in the crossfire.
Afganastan is not only NOT Liberated, Al-Qaida and the Taliban have INCREASED power more then pre-war levels!! That means that they are stronger then they were then BEFORE we went in!! And the longer we are in Iraq and Afganastan, the more terror groups gain strength and power. The Western world has invaded there space.


But Wait, There's more!

It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno (DEMOCRAT)
to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation..

Isn't she a sight???
We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons
in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton (DEMOCRAT) to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his
Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida !!!


Sorry we didnt lauch a full invasion into the Branch building, and sort out the bodies first. What happend that day was tragic, no doubt and none of it was Reno's fault. You cannot just launch an attack on a bunch of people in a building, who have wepons and ready to die. Especially when its on national tv 24.7.

Great for the 3rd, but what happend since? Great, we invaded a country and took over its capital faster then America could keep up. We marched over a half assed military, in which for all we know sat thier wepons down, waited til we got into the country, and have caused a long drawn out battle over these years?


Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB !
The Military morale is high!


******** on both counts. I have friends that have come back. Morale is low. Everyone is scared. No one wants to be there. We have entered what Bush's father said he didnt want to do. He did not want a long drawn out battle in the streets of Bagdad, where American troops would be caught in a deadly battle. He did not want to have another Vietnam. Apparently Bush Jr didnt listen to that, must have been nose deep in some coke maybe?