chemicals to improve fuel millage

[johnjzjz]

chemicals to improve fuel millage : i first would like to know if any one has used any and if so what -- the reason is we have been using a blend for years, some 100,000 miles ( my 03 D - MAX ) and i would like to see if anyone has tried anything or not or has any interest -- a have hours of reading about a study that was done and with fuel at 4 bucks a gallon < Diesel and gas at 3 n change, it warrants a look - their are some gains in what we use and some deficits as well from a 1 to 2 miles more per gallon to 7 or 8 depends on your driving - its not new and been around as an additive for maybe 50 years -- google new stuff is not fair the question is actual experience with an additive and what happened as a result - jz

[DaSkinnyGuy]

for duramax try the lucos diesel additive, heard it has giving another man 5-6 extra miles per gallon.

[unstable bob gable]

I've done some experimenting w/ acetone, and have found no increase in mpg from using it. I also have an H20 injection set up in which I've tried various mixtures of water, alcohol, and acetone. Again, I haven't seen any improvements in mpg.

[johnjzjz]

I've done some experimenting w/ acetone, and have found no increase in mpg from using it. I also have an H20 injection set up in which I've tried various mixtures of water, alcohol, and acetone. Again, I haven't seen any improvements in mpg.

i have to say bob when i wrote this i was thinking you might be the one guy who had some experence with acetone - and i am not surprised about no added miles because it all up to the motor combo we have had some results BUT its not been with all combos its been mostly with worn out motors that seem to respond much better but not all i have some real examples i owned and drove and seen both no and yes it made a difference -- also its in the amount - i have used from 1 ounce per 10 gallons to 3 oz per 10 gallons what and what did you do ???????? --jz

[unstable bob gable]

JZ:
I heard the 3oz acetone per 10 gal gas come up quite frequently, so I ran 3oz a few times, and since I have a 14 gal tank I upped it to 5 oz a few times. Can't say I ever saw a difference either way. Car is an 03 Chev Cavailer, 2.2 Ecotec 4 cylinder. Also added a few oz to a mixture of H20 and methanol [washer fluid] in my H20 injection system, and saw no difference in MPG. I still have hopes for the H20 system once I get the ballz to try doing some reprogramming w/ HP Tuner.

[bubba428]

so bobs a chemist too

[unstable bob gable]

so bobs a chemist too

Nah, I just like tinkering. N' with gas being so expensive I have no problem giving something a try. But I have yet to find anything that gave me better mileage than just slowing down a bit.

[bubba428]

huh, I do better at 60-75mph, must just be the carb. You can always lean it out a bit by messing with the TPS

[trashman01]

huh, I do better at 60-75mph, must just be the carb. You can always lean it out a bit by messing with the TPS

then u get driveability problems. bubba what carb are you running?

[Knipps]

all i've heard of is acetone, some swear by it others say it does the opposite.. don't really know for sure :shrug:

[Blacdout96]

IMO, I feel that in a fuel injected vehicle, your not goign to see any gains using alternative addatives because the computer has a preset amount of fuel to put in under different loads, speeds, etc. To me the only way to increase mileage is by the way you drive. Now putting H2O in might allow you to use more of the output given by the firing, but it wont make you use that much less fuel unless your computer was programmed to realize it has an H2O system and doesnt need to put in as much fuel. All in all, its not what you put into your tank, its how hard you press that pedal, and where you drive, what conditions, altitude, etc. Im sure someone will come on here and say oh yea well I used brand X addative and it gave me 2 more miles to the gallon... well was it because you were in the city, on the highway, how fast do you usually drive, how often was there someone in front of you to take away a little drag, how hot was it during that time you had the fuel, how humid was it during that season. To me, fuel addatives is nothing more then snake oil, if it makes you mentally feel your getting more, good to hear, but its really what you do, not what your car does and whats in it that makes the difference. Now I will say I do use addatives every now and then to clean the system up, and make sure it runs well, but I dont need to pay 6 bucks for a fuel addative to give me 40 miles more when that could of gone to 2 more gallons of gas taht'll give me 60 more miles.

[johnjzjz]

ok the nuts and bolts of acetone is this -- it has a different burn rate and as such you need to fine the spot your combo will benefit most from it <
what does it do < all motors ignition starts the flame front at a BTDC spark occurrence the reason for cats on cars is because their is a left over mixture that has not burned up and is super heated to burn it off in the cat < acetone starts to burn later in the BTDC of each firing cycle so what happens it continues to burn on the back side of the compression stroke and as such gives a push to the piston < a Free ride so to speak and this is the place the mixture gets the blend from too much and acetone does nothing < lets understand in octane acetone is 150 so a strong mixture is no good at all as we have found its the opposite of what you would think and also it takes a chemist like trial to actually see the results 3 tank fulls being very carefully to blend it out correctly and buying fuel at the same time and same station are a plus, when to buy fuel at night or early morning only but the same kind of time for the study, than when you stop using it the first re fill with out the acetone you will not feel anything different < reason it has covered the combustion area with a different type of coating that once it burns away you go back to what it had before - you will than feel a drop in the position, the pedal is in as you drive, and the motor will feel lazy a bit < note most feel a pep increase once they get the mix correct < reason for the lazy feel also, the reason some never get better mileage is the love the new found power and drive away any gains i do it all the time i love the diesel with it in it and its quieter and more responsive to the throttle most cars or trucks do much better with a one ounce per 10 gallons and ( DO NOT BUY ) the acetone that is not for girls nails in a beauty shop the beauty supply or Walgreen's in the nail section the container has to SAY 100% PERCENT PURE no other Will work its a blend for paint not for nails

((((((((((((((((( CAUTION )))))))))))))))))))))) its a paint remover and as such the q panel below will have nothing on it but rust if you spill it poring it in the tank ((((((((( CAUTION )))))))))) we use a 10 oz can with a funnel conected screw on screw off some plastic bottels melt as well at full strength it will take the color right out of what ever it come in contact with



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[Blacdout96]

((((((((((((((((( CAUTION )))))))))))))))))))))) its a paint remover and as such the q panel below will have nothing on it but rust if you spill it poring it in the tank ((((((((( CAUTION )))))))))) we use a 10 oz can with a funnel conected screw on screw off some plastic bottels melt as well at full strength it will take the color right out of what ever it come in contact with



http://www.lubedev.com/smartgas/additive.htm


Oh boy howdy do I know that, we got 55 gallon drums of t at work for what we do, that stuff is nasty, and I recommend any young people here that has not worked with this stuff to please wear proper gloves and such, this is very harmful to you, it will dry out your skin, and will burn if you have a cut. We have other chemicals and adhesives at work that dont come off for nothing unless you use acetone, so it will strip your paint, and some time off your life if you use it incorrectly.

[Knipps]

acetone = nail polish remover, it's not gonna kill you if you get some on your skin

[Blacdout96]

Read his caution noob.
nail polish remover is a type of acetone is watered down for human contact without affecting much. It can still harm you, but not like what I use at work ,adn what is supposed to go in the tank, that stuff is real dangerous.

[JL8Jeff]

I've tried the acetone on a couple of different vehicles and never saw any difference in gas mileage. It wasn't due to driving differently either as I usually drive with a light foot. I tried it in my old 88 4Runner with the 3.0 V6 and 5 speed 150K miles and got 20 mpg all summer during my normal commute. I tried it in several different increments(2,3,4 oz I think) and never saw a difference. I could see where it might help clean up the combustion chamber on a vehicle and that would increase efficiency and get you back to where the engine was when it was new. But a clean engine probably won't see any difference. Older carbed engines would probably see a benefit, but I agree that modern EFI stuff most likely won't.

[ins0mnia24]

Acetone when handled without gloves or comes in contact with the skin..
It is known to be absorbed through the skin and go to the Liver causing various Cancers..
Should state that on every container

[Blacdout96]

Acetone when handled without gloves or comes in contact with the skin..
It is known to be absorbed through the skin and go to the Liver causing various Cancers..
Should state that on every container

Exactamundo. this stuff is majorly harsh to work with so be careful to those who wish to experiment with it.

[johnjzjz]

the acetone i have suggested is the beauty supply stuff -- its 100% pure and has no additives the commercial stuff for industry does i said that -- and all acetone products will and do remove paint thats what it is a paint remover additive --- the stuff i get is for human use not industry and its different

MY 1990 305 5 speed stick 2500 pickup, i had used it in it for over 50,000 miles almost every tank full and when it was not used, it would not in the summer drive on rt 80 at 65 with the air on in 5 th gear - do the denville hill and ledgewood hill , the truck would with out downshifting go up and over both it also got 2 to 3 miles more per gallon and inspection time it would fail with out the acetone in the fuel as well -- my 03 d max diesel does real well on it only one MPG more on average but it has less motor noise and more pep i am happy -- my 1981 300D benz starts a lot better in the winter and does not smoke with the acetone in the fuel, but as the temps warm the motor pings with it so its a cold weather thing, my 07 jeep gets 3 more per gallon over the road and only one around town - my 99 buick could care less about any of it it just does nothing different - the stroker fatboy loves it to death better MPG more power smoother on HWY at hi speed loves it, one of the 95 buell thunderbolts with a road racing motor, its 50 / 50 the compression is to hi i think some thanks it does it and some it does nothing - our 68 nova 9:30 super / street - gas car off the stop hates it its dial is all over the place cant get it to repeat for nothing - my lawn mower cuts the grass on one tank not one and a 1/3 the polars 500 4X4 4 wheeler pit runabout loves it runs for ever on a tank 3 days of racing -- the 140 HP 16 foot boat does not care ether way the patio boat likes it runs much longer on a 5 gallon can and of the 15 customers with HOT motored bikes we built who are using it -- non will stop theirs something they all like about it and my brother truck gets 75 more miles to his cabin he always had to stop to re fill on the way now he does not so in my study it works for us but we only buy the beauty supply 100% pure acetone and i am told its different and all are on a 1 oz per 10 gallons is what i found that works for us -- jz