little more weight reduction that I bargained for

[bubba428]

went under the hatch to take out the interior pieces in the rear and this is what I found in spare compartment. sorry for the camera phone pics, my good one broke.

the brace that mounts the tire and jack is completely disconnected
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/1859/untitledum6.bmp

this is the pile of rust
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/2579/rustpileww8.bmp
all in all the car only has 3 spots like that...the other 2 are the front of the floor pans

rest of todays progress before the rain hit
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3968/backnw3.bmp

so it looks like I'll be doing tubs on it this summer. Any body know of a decent place to get them from?

[Mike]

wolfe has pretty good priced ones

[IROCdan330]

Thats a common spot for water to hang out in thirdgens from my experience...

why are you tubbing it?

[jims69camaro]

Thats a common spot for water to hang out in thirdgens from my experience...

why are you tubbing it?


to repair/replace the rusted through sections and fit bigger balonies? :shrug:

[//<86TA>\\]

your going to need a little more motor before you need any tubbing. if thats the only rust, just cut it out and make a new patch panel.

[Tru2Chevy]

Yea, I don't see any reason for tubs. There are thirdgens on 275 DRs going single digits, and they fit in the stock wheel wells just fine.

- Justin

[bubba428]

well why bother just replacing or patching the spot when I can upgrade. better to do tub it when I fix that spot than to do it twice.

[Tru2Chevy]

Devil's Advocate says why spend the money to upgrade when what's there isn't hurting you at all, and most likely won't be for quite a long time (if ever).

- Justin

[bubba428]

Devil's Advocate says why spend the money to upgrade when what's there isn't hurting you at all, and most likely won't be for quite a long time (if ever).

- Justin

cause when I find problems I like to try and fix them believe it or not. Just knowing its there bothers me. I have a donor that I might take that section from when I do if I don't do tubs. theres a lot that needs to be patched/replaced/installed, it would just be another thing on the list.

[IROCdan330]

Not to mention you said tubs this summer...do you have another car to drive while this is taking place?

[Tru2Chevy]

cause when I find problems I like to try and fix them believe it or not. Just knowing its there bothers me. I have a donor that I might take that section from when I do if I don't do tubs. theres a lot that needs to be patched/replaced/installed, it would just be another thing on the list.

I never said you shouldn't fix the rust issue....

- Justin

[bubba428]

Not to mention you said tubs this summer...do you have another car to drive while this is taking place?

I'd do it now but I need to get the other car on the road, just waiting on the clutch, water pump and oil filter/sender housing. then I need to drop it in and put a new slave cylinder in.

[deadtrend1]

you're putting tubs in the T/A .... Why?

[bubba428]

Devil's Advocate says why spend the money to upgrade when what's there isn't hurting you at all, and most likely won't be for quite a long time (if ever).

- Justin

I never said you shouldn't fix the rust issue....

- Justin

I took it as a "Why bother" statement

[bubba428]

you're putting tubs in the T/A .... Why?

why not...I have to cut the entire inner fender and 90% of the 1/4 is rusted. I might as well just do it now, because in time I plan to use it as a strictly track car. Hopefully on a trailer.

[//<86TA>\\]

all you need to do to fit a decently wide tire is remove the bump stop and clearance the front of the wheel well. You dont need to touch the rear well at all.

or just do what i did:twisted:

[BonzoHansen]

all you need to do to fit a decently wide tire is remove the bump stop and clearance the front of the wheel well. You dont need to touch the rear well at all.

or just do what i did:twisted:

You mean build a real car? :lol:

[//<86TA>\\]

You mean build a real car? :lol:

burned

[Frosty]

you're putting tubs in the T/A .... Why?

Because one day it might be a 13 second screamer and the tubs will be needed. :rofl::rofl:

j/k ;)

[Tru2Chevy]

I took it as a "Why bother" statement

It was a "Why Bother" statement....about the tubs. Rust should always be addressed.

- Justin

[bubba428]

I get what you are saying, and yes I'm building a real car...and as soon as thats done I'm going to put more effort in the T/A this summer

[baddest434]

Because one day it might be a 13 second screamer and the tubs will be needed. :rofl::rofl:

j/k ;)

bahaha

[Blacdout96]

:lol: well there is a saying, nothing says success like excess, in this case its the Tubs, but on the other hand, excess and success comes in the form of money, it always does and always will. if you want to "fix it, just get some aluminum, or steel at home depot, pop rivet it on, cauck the inside of the seams, and under coat it, but if your looking to bite of more then you can chew, by all means do the tubs.....but first finish the brakes that go in the back

[sweetbmxrider]

:lol: well there is a saying, nothing says success like excess, in this case its the Tubs, but on the other hand, excess and success comes in the form of money, it always does and always will. if you want to "fix it, just get some aluminum, or steel at home depot, pop rivet it on, cauck the inside of the seams, and under coat it, but if your looking to bite of more then you can chew, by all means do the tubs.....but first finish the brakes that go in the back

hahaha i was waiting for someone to say brakes! yeah honestly, money could be spent in better places.

[bubba428]

hahaha i was waiting for someone to say brakes! yeah honestly, money could be spent in better places.

who says its tubs 1st on my list?

cause when I find problems I like to try and fix them believe it or not. Just knowing its there bothers me. I have a donor that I might take that section from when I do if I don't do tubs. theres a lot that needs to be patched/replaced/installed, it would just be another thing on the list.

[deadtrend1]

who says its tubs 1st on my list?

no one said it was "First on your list" ....

You probably will take this the wrong way, but most believe it shouldn't be on your list.

[Mike]

stop talking him out of it, bubba i think you are doing the right thing since you will be doing metal work in the area anyway

[deadtrend1]

stop talking him out of it, bubba i think you are doing the right thing since you will be doing metal work in the area anyway

the more I think about it. The more you and him seem right. You are going to be fabbing up in that area. So why not. Do eeet!

[sweetbmxrider]

oh my bad. i read it as patching/repairing it to stock form would be "on the list" like when i care to i'll fix it. have fun.

[bubba428]

stop talking him out of it, bubba i think you are doing the right thing since you will be doing metal work in the area anyway

thank you, and on top of that don't certain classes require the cars to have tubs (not talking anything in my near future)

[Tru2Chevy]

thank you, and on top of that don't certain classes require the cars to have tubs (not talking anything in my near future)

You have no need for them unless you plan on back-halving the car, and there are plenty of 3rd gens running single digits on stock style suspension. Do you plan on making the car that fast? If so, I expect to see some real tubs there, not just some pansy minitubs. Otherwise you'll just have to do them again when you back-halve the car and try to stick some monster meats under it.

- Justin

[Blacdout96]

people, just stop responding to this, cause your just gonna get the same automated answer from him saying he's gonna do it, but you know he's not gonna. If he was gonna do half the **** he says he's gonna do, it of been done already, but there are alot of things that prevent him from doing so, so Im not gonna hold my breath , nor really expect him to do this. The car will be sitting on jack stands just like his "other project" for quite a while.

[bubba428]

the only thing holding me back is money, and the fact I have nothing else to drive

[Savage_Messiah]

You don't put all the money you make into your cars, do you?

[bubba428]

You don't put all the money you make into your cars, do you?

besides insurance no, I had a little saved up, but rent and phone got to that...I've been out of work sense I got canned 4 days before Christmas. If all goes well I'll be working next week.

[Savage_Messiah]

damn that sucks. have fun with the tub(girl)ing

[Blacdout96]

Aw Kasey, you had to slip that in :rofl:

[bubba428]

BAH!!!!!!!!! i just vomited a bit

[camaro2you]

Doing tubs isn't a back yard lets try this for the first time job especially if you have no metal/welding experiance that tub is what helps tie the back of the car together on a sub-frame car.

[IROCdan330]

the only thing holding me back is money, and the fact I have nothing else to drive

Money holds everyone back.

[WayFast84]

besides insurance no, I had a little saved up, but rent and phone got to that...I've been out of work sense I got canned 4 days before Christmas. If all goes well I'll be working next week.

DUDE!!!!!!!!! What the hell are you doing posting on here and spending all of your money on the car? Your even dumber then I thought you were! GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GET A ****ING JOB!!! Its a win,win situation! You have money, and can save up for the stuff you want later AND we wont have as many of your dumb ass posts around.. WHAT A ****ING BUM!!!!

[Frosty]

Oh man, this is going to get good. :D

[trashman01]

DUDE!!!!!!!!! What the hell are you doing posting on here and spending all of your money on the car? Your even dumber then I thought you were! GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GET A ****ING JOB!!! Its a win,win situation! You have money, and can save up for the stuff you want later AND we wont have as many of your dumb ass posts around.. WHAT A ****ING BUM!!!!

that is going in the sig section:lol:

[bubba428]

DUDE!!!!!!!!! What the hell are you doing posting on here and spending all of your money on the car? Your even dumber then I thought you were! GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GET A ****ING JOB!!! Its a win,win situation! You have money, and can save up for the stuff you want later AND we wont have as many of your dumb ass posts around.. WHAT A ****ING BUM!!!!

you can't be serious, How the hell do you think I've been putting gas in it paying my insurance and keeping my phone on. Every day I've been busting my ass scraping cars, and parting out cars. ****s been slow the last 2 weeks so yea I've been home more, But I have 2 45ft Grumman box trucks to cut down and scrap a 86 suburban and possibly a few others. those to trucks both weigh 10k lbs and are mostly aluminum,I'm splitting the weight with my scrap partner and I'll make $2600 in 4 days, by april 24th I'll have over 6k in the bank just from this month. Come give me **** when you can even fathom having that much at once. Just because I don't have a job doesn't mean I'm not busting my ass all hours of the day. You don't know anything about me, what I do on a daily basis, you have no ****ING. You wanna criticize my ideas, why don't you take a look at your own car.

[Knipps]

Oh man, this is going to get good. :D
:nod:

:popcorn:

[Tru2Chevy]

You wanna criticize my ideas, why don't you take a look at your own car.

AFAIK he hasn't even seen his car in well over a month. Last I saw it was sitting outside of Josh's shop waiting for him to bring parts to Josh.

- Justin

[WildBillyT]

..., not just some pansy minitubs.

- Justin

F U, pal. :rofl:


Bubba,

Seriously. Don't mini tub or tub the car unless at least one of these things are true:

1.) You need (not WANT) the space.
2.) You will have most of the rear sheetmetal apart anyway
3.) You have the proper tools to do it right
4.) You have the time and/or money to do it right

Take it from me, replacing wheel wells is not fun. 86 T/A did a great job with his but I believe he will concur that it is not exactly "easy" to do.

In your case all you need to do is cut out the metal until you hit good stuff, then make a template out of cardboard to fit the hole in your metal. Transfer that template to sheet metal, cut it out of the metal, form with a torch, fit, weld, and paint. This is not that hard, I've done this a bunch of times on a number of cars. The price of this will be damn near nothing, and you can put the time and money into other parts of the car.

[Tru2Chevy]

F U, pal. :rofl:

I only said it since they aren't needed on a drag-oriented 3rd gen unless you are FAST. And his car is not (at least not yet).....

- Justin

[Frosty]

AFAIK he hasn't even seen his car in well over a month. Last I saw it was sitting outside of Josh's shop waiting for him to bring parts to Josh.

- Justin

I was up at the shop last week, it's still sitting there. :D

[WildBillyT]

I only said it since they aren't needed on a drag-oriented 3rd gen unless you are FAST. And his car is not (at least not yet).....

- Justin

Yeah, I know what you meant, I am just in a weird mood.

[IROCdan330]

I was up at the shop last week, it's still sitting there. :D

all nascar and **** too.

[BonzoHansen]

DUDE!!!!!!!!! What the hell are you doing posting on here and spending all of your money on the car? Your even dumber then I thought you were! GET OFF YOUR ASS AND GET A ****ING JOB!!! Its a win,win situation! You have money, and can save up for the stuff you want later AND we wont have as many of your dumb ass posts around.. WHAT A ****ING BUM!!!!

:scratch: Did you copy & paste that from someone yelling at you? :lol:

[Blacdout96]

you can't be serious, How the hell do you think I've been putting gas in it paying my insurance and keeping my phone on. Every day I've been busting my ass scraping cars, and parting out cars. ****s been slow the last 2 weeks so yea I've been home more, But I have 2 45ft Grumman box trucks to cut down and scrap a 86 suburban and possibly a few others. those to trucks both weigh 10k lbs and are mostly aluminum,I'm splitting the weight with my scrap partner and I'll make $2600 in 4 days, by april 24th I'll have over 6k in the bank just from this month. Come give me **** when you can even fathom having that much at once. Just because I don't have a job doesn't mean I'm not busting my ass all hours of the day. You don't know anything about me, what I do on a daily basis, you have no ****ING. You wanna criticize my ideas, why don't you take a look at your own car.

So the question is, if your really getting all this money, how are you goignto spend it/ wisely? poorly? If I were you ( and at this point and time he is goign to jsut read over this and not care) I would put a portion of that money to a DD car, sot hat way you can work on your Firebird, and not break stuff all the time, plus it'll have rear brakes. if you put all that money into your car you have now, your a dumber person then I thought. that car should be your hobby, not your main ride. you should do just like what the other half dozen or so of us said. clean the area, put a new piece on there, and keep driving.

[bubba428]

I'm getting a good DD this month...but thats betwine me and the seller

[bubba428]

In your case all you need to do is cut out the metal until you hit good stuff, then make a template out of cardboard to fit the hole in your metal. Transfer that template to sheet metal, cut it out of the metal, form with a torch, fit, weld, and paint. This is not that hard, I've done this a bunch of times on a number of cars. The price of this will be damn near nothing, and you can put the time and money into other parts of the car.

the rust goes all the way though the 1/4 panel. so i'd need to replace that too. so I'm already in pretty deep. I figured while the car is non mobile I'll just upgrade what I can

[Slow 88]

Do you have a shortened rear or know the costs of doing it? I definitely think that you would be making a mistake going that route....I would use the money toward an aftermarket rear myself or heads whatever floats your boat..

[WayFast84]

all nascar and **** too.

hell yeah. :rofl:

Ohh and I cant get parts up their because my only mode of transportation has a real job with real hours AND benefits. OHH MAN! wouldn't you want some benefits, bubba? sounds great doesn't it?

BTW.

Thanks bubba, I now know how ****** my life would get if I never go to college.

[BonzoHansen]

hell yeah. :rofl:

Ohh and I cant get parts up their because my only mode of transportation has a real job with real hours AND benefits. OHH MAN! wouldn't you want some benefits, bubba? sounds great doesn't it?

BTW.

Thanks bubba, I now know how ****** my life would get if I never go to college.

:shock:

[trashman01]

:hitfan::dancinglock:

[deadtrend1]

Thanks bubba, I now know how ****** my life would get if I never go to college.

Yo, easy there buddy. There are others that didn't go to college. So others may take offense to that.

[trashman01]

Yo, easy there buddy. There are others that didn't go to college. So others may take offense to that.


yea thats me im now a trash man haha

[Anti_Rice_Guy]

I now know how ****** my life would get if I never go to college.

Some of the richest people in the world never went to college, or dropped out of college. Bill Gates, for example. They are not necessarily related Matt.

[Tru2Chevy]

Ohh and I cant get parts up their because my only mode of transportation has a real job with real hours AND benefits. OHH MAN! wouldn't you want some benefits, bubba? sounds great doesn't it?

MommaFast FTW! :lol: :lol: :lol:

- Justin

[Mike]

hell yeah. :rofl:

Ohh and I cant get parts up their because my only mode of transportation has a real job with real hours AND benefits. OHH MAN! wouldn't you want some benefits, bubba? sounds great doesn't it?

BTW.

Thanks bubba, I now know how ****** my life would get if I never go to college.

dude ever hear of ups? if you really cared about anything you would just send him the parts, or...when you order them have them sent straight there.

and "how ******* your life would get?"....... dude you cant deal with highshool and girls, i dont think you would manage any real life problems

and save the "benefits, and hours, and job for when YOU HAVE ONE dont use your moms to talk ****

[BonzoHansen]

Enough. When the arguement drops to the level of my mom has benefits and you don't and non-college educated people are ****ed, time is up...