Any NJ Hockey fans, why don't the Penguins ever verse the Red Wings?

[redbanditZ28]

I honestly did not know where to ask this question, as I do not know of any hockey forums, but I know there are a few hockey fans on here. Does anyone know why these two teams never met this season? Or when was the last time they played each other?

I am excited that both of my favorite teams won the first games of the playoffs against the Avalanche and Rangers. It would be awesome to see both of them in the playoffs. Especially since they didn't see much of each other this season.

I am sort of getting back into hockey, so excuse my ignorance for asking the question. Also, I feel bad about NJ losing to NY. But it was Lemieux and Yzerman that made me like both teams. I really hope Detroit wipes the floor with the Avs. I would say the same about Pittsburgh doing that to NY, but I don't want to upset any Rangers fans on here.

[redbanditZ28]

I meant to say it would be awesome to see both teams verse each other for the cup. Not in the playoffs, although I am glad both are in the playoffs too.

[Frosty]

I am sort of getting back into hockey, so excuse my ignorance for asking the question. Also, I feel bad about NJ losing to NY. But it was Lemieux and Yzerman that made me like both teams. I really hope Detroit wipes the floor with the Avs. I would say the same about Pittsburgh doing that to NY, but I don't want to upset any Rangers fans on here.

You very well could see a Wings/Pens final.

I'm predicting a Stars/Pens final provided Turco stays hot.

[Knipps]

The teams don't play each other often because they're in different conferences and a large majority of a team's games are within it's own conference. I remember watching a few games this season and the commentators mentioned the teams (East & West conferences) hadn't seen each other in ~3 years. I don't think it's so much a matter of "luck" but how they're scheduled in.

[redbanditZ28]

Thanks for the replies. One of the hardest things about liking the Red Wings is never being able to catch a game in person with them. I think the closest they came to NJ this whole season was in Boston. I sometimes wonder how the season would fair for everyone if the Western and Eastern conferences met more often.

I got to see a Pittsburgh game last season when the Devils were still at the Meadowlands or Izod Center, but since they moved to Newark, I am not too crazy about driving in to see a game. Has anyone driven there to see a game yet? I know a lot of people take the train in. If you took the train in, how much is a ticket to and from I guess either New Brunswick or Edison/Metuchen?

I would love to see either the Red Wings or the Penguins win the cup, but it would be so cool to see both verse each other for it.

[Untamed]

Each of the greater NYC area teams makes "west coast runs" each year, but don't get to play all the western conference teams each year. This year for the Devils it was Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton. They hadn't played Vancouver, in Van, in many years. Its all in the scheduling.

[shane27]

I wanna see the Rangers win the cup....

[Frosty]

I wanna see the Rangers win the cup....

I thought you were a Devils fan???? :rofl::rofl::moon::moon:

[redbanditZ28]

I am just happy that the Red Wings and Penguins are both 2 ahead. I realize that can change though. Especially since both teams first two games were at home. I am crossing my fingers to see both verse each other for the cup.

Has Detroit and Pittsburgh ever faced off in NHL history in either the playoffs or for the cup?
Like I said, I am getting back into hockey and I don't know much about Hockey's history.

[shane27]

quick fact: penguins are 0-4 at MSG this year

penguins have been around for ~30 years as opposed to Detriots 80+....dont believe they ever faced each other in finals but i could be wrong.

[35thls1ss19]

I wanna see the Rangers win the cup....

hahahahaha yea that will happen :roll: Penguins in 4!!!

[shane27]

hahahahaha yea that will happen more likely to happen then the devils winning the cup :nod::mrgreen:

[Untamed]

Cheap shots don't make you a better fan. :nod:

I honestly hope the Rangers make it to the cup this year. Since the Devils are out, root for the local team.

[alamantia]

unless the rangers can play with more intencity than a florida based mite hockey team you prolly will see Pit face Detriot in a few weeks.

[redbanditZ28]

Red Wings and Penguins 3 ahead. I hope they keep the momentum.

[chemicalstylez]

Flyers = Cinderella team... everyone hates them, refs hate them, and they still win.... best watch out.

[Frosty]

Flyers = Cinderella team... everyone hates them, refs hate them, and they still win.... best watch out.

Even if they get past the refs and the Habs the Pens are going to be tough, they CAN beat the Pens but I don't see it happening.

Then again the Flyers need to get past the Habs first, lol.

Did you like the boarding call on Richards when the Habs player didn't even touch the boards? :rofl:

[chemicalstylez]

Even if they get past the refs and the Habs the Pens are going to be tough, they CAN beat the Pens but I don't see it happening.

Then again the Flyers need to get past the Habs first, lol.

Did you like the boarding call on Richards when the Habs player didn't even touch the boards? :rofl:


lol yea I was at the game...call was terrible. Ashame, series should of been a sweep if the refs didn't hand game 1 to the Habs on a silver platter. Pens have the "cindy rules" on their side, thats tough to play against. 5 on 5 their terrible, they rely soley on their power play.

[redbanditZ28]

I swear when I was watching the Detroit Colorado game last night at the Pepsi center, the Ref seemed really biased. Granted Detroit did do legitimate violations, but still, the crowd was as harsh as the refs were. Its just a little reassuring when a team has 2 up and win their 3rd in an away game. Lets see what today brings for both the Pengs and Wings.
I can't remember off hand. How has Philly faired against Pittsburgh this season when they've met?

Detroit may have a little trouble with Dallas if it comes to that.

[Frosty]

IHow has Philly faired against Pittsburgh this season when they've met?



The split the 8 game series but the Pens are a way different team now.

[shane27]

The split the 8 game series but the Pens are a way different team now.so are the flyers

[Frosty]

so are the flyers

Yeah but unless they tighten up their shots allowed stat they won't last against the Pens. They can't expect Biron to bail them out EVERY game like he has in this series.

[shane27]

sweep nothing rangers back in it!!

[slasherbarb]

sweep nothing rangers back in it!!ummm...down 3-1 going back to Pittsburgh is not back in it...IF they win game 5,then we'll see...

[Frosty]

I'm rooting for the Rangers(God I feel dirty for saying that). I want both teams to beat the hell out of each other until Game 7

[shane27]

ummm...down 3-1 going back to Pittsburgh is not back in it...IF they win game 5,then we'll see...
considering the way they played in pittsburgh, and tonight....their back in it.

and since were not out...we must be still in....right?

[chemicalstylez]

The split the 8 game series but the Pens are a way different team now.

Philly won 5 and lost 3. Either way playoff hockey is different compared to regular season. The Flyers lost all 4 games to the Habs in the regular season and look at them now; pounding the Habs. Philly has Fluerys number, hes not that good, rebounds are his weakness and Knuble/Hartnel excel at putting them in. Plus Biron is the hottest goalie in the post season right.... usually the hot hand brings you to the promise land. Cam Ward did it with Carolina, Khabby did it with Tampa....

Either way I'm cheering for the Rangers in that series, I HATE the Pens with a passion.

[Frosty]

It was 5-3? I thought they split...hmmm my bad lol

The Pens are going to win that series but I hope the Rangers drag it out and beat the hell out of the Pens on a physical level.

[redbanditZ28]

Lots of hate towards the Penguins. lol. I would have thought most NJ hockey fans, at least the ones that live in central or southern NJ would hate the Rangers. No offense to Rangers fans, but it was great to see Jagr get booed at the Mellon Arena in game 2 of the series. I can't believe he left so much history behind in Pittsburgh to play for another team. I mean it was Lemieux and Jagr all the time. Plus, he was bad mouthing Crosby and Malkin, saying they aren't as talented as Lemieux and himself. To me Lemieux will always be number 1 for the Penguins, but I think Jagr bit off more than he could chew when he said that. I can't believe Shanahan left the Wings either to go play for the Rangers. Some of my past favorite players are on the Rangers. This could be said about a lot of teams, but I am starting to see a trend with the Rangers. They generally have older players on the team. Playing for the Rangers is almost like a retirement plan for some. Messier, Gretzky, Jagr (Assuming he stays with the Rangers long enough), same goes for Shanahan.

I am just not a Ranger fan. Although, I must admit, Lundqvist was really good in game 4 with saves. Maybe others would disagree, but I watched the majority of game 4 where the Pengs lost and they didn't seem to be too into the game like the other games. Malkin's penalty shot looked so nonchalant and they were making crappy mistakes with having too many people on the ice at one time. Hopefully the home advantage will work Sunday afternoon so Pittsburgh could wrap this up.

I am also hoping the Sharks win against the Stars too. I'd rather see Detroit vs the Sharks, because I think Dallas is a stronger team than the Sharks so far. Hopefully Detroit cankeep their momentum. Now that the Sharks won tonight, that will give the REd Wings more practicing and rest time.

[chemicalstylez]

It was 5-3? I thought they split...hmmm my bad lol

The Pens are going to win that series but I hope the Rangers drag it out and beat the hell out of the Pens on a physical level.

SAME MAN, I HATE THE PENS!!!!! lol...caps ftw! My hate in the Atlantic division used to be all towards the Rangers and the Devils. But now its 100% Penguin hate with all their new fake fans, and their crybaby team.

[Frosty]

Agreed.

[redbanditZ28]

SAME MAN, I HATE THE PENS!!!!! lol...caps ftw! My hate in the Atlantic division used to be all towards the Rangers and the Devils. But now its 100% Penguin hate with all their new fake fans, and their crybaby team.

What do you mean by fake fans? I am just curious. I am not trying to start anything. Like I said, I just got back into Hockey. Is there something known about Pittsburgh being a crybaby team and having fake fans I don't know about?

I know some think Crosby is a better actor than player. That may be true, but he does get the job done with his acting. Its also why I said Lemieux will always be number one in Pittsburgh for however good Crosby becomes. Go Penguins !!!

[redbanditZ28]

Well, one step closer for the Penguins. It was a good game by both teams in Pittsburgh. The Rangers' goalie was great again. Lets see how Pittsburgh does against Philly. Theres a big rivalry between the two of them right?

Man I hope I see Pittsbugh and Detroit verse each other. It would be interesting since they haven't versed each other all year long.

[shane27]

id love to see the nhl get new ****ings refs who actually do know their asses from their elbows and make a HIGH STICK CALL WHEN DRURY IS ****ING BLEEDING ALL OVER THE ICE

****ing ridiclious. im not watching any more hockey till next year

[deadtrend1]

id love to see the nhl get new ****ings refs who actually do know their asses from their elbows and make a HIGH STICK CALL WHEN DRURY IS ****ING BLEEDING ALL OVER THE ICE

****ing ridiclious. im not watching any more hockey till next year

the ranger player skated into his stick knocking it into his face.

[chemicalstylez]

What do you mean by fake fans? I am just curious. I am not trying to start anything. Like I said, I just got back into Hockey. Is there something known about Pittsburgh being a crybaby team and having fake fans I don't know about?

I know some think Crosby is a better actor than player. That may be true, but he does get the job done with his acting. Its also why I said Lemieux will always be number one in Pittsburgh for however good Crosby becomes. Go Penguins !!!

Yea, they almost lost their arena due to having no fans. Now they have fans??? Philly was the worst team in the league last year and was still high in attendence. Fake fans are only there when the team is good, and the Pens have a whole drove of them. And yes they are a crybaby team, you have the biggest diving cry baby in the league; Cindy Crosby. No one likes Cindy unless their a Pens fan or a fanboy from Canada. Worst part is the best player on the team is Evgeni Malkin and pens fanboys don't even realize it.

[redbanditZ28]

You're right about Crosby. I myself don't see the big fuss about him and thats coming from a Penguins fan. I actually like Malkin and Staal and Fleury the best on the team. But as far as the whole thing about fake fans, can't the same be said about the Devils? I mean I thought I heard that attendance was horribly bad a year or two ago. Then when they make it to the first round playoffs this year, I was not there, but I would have guessed that people were packed into the new rink at Newark. Like I said, I am not sure about these things, but I thought thats what I've heard from some other hockey fans I talked to.

I am not nor ever been to Pittsburgh myself, which accounts for me not knowing that about Pens fans. I would have guessed that there would be a legacy of fans that would watch the games because of the franchise's history with players like Lemieux. Guess not. But I've always been a Pittsburgh and Detorit fan since I started watching back in the early 90s. I'll admit I liked Detroit initially because they were winning a lot and had a great list of players. But unlike most people that like flavor of the month teams, I actually stuck with liking them, even when they lost. As for Pittsburgh, Lemieux is who got me hooked. My problem with any NY teams is that they always flaunt how good they are and play it off like they always have the best teams in most sports. Thats the way I see them. Its a big turnoff for me, but thats just my opinion. I mean the Yanks with their rich history of great players, as well as the Giants, especially since winning the super bowl, and the Rangers getting Gretzky and Messier at one point. The Knicks are a different story though. Ewing was like the last good player I remember hearing about. NY just flaunts too much for me. Even the city itself. I've been there a decent amount of times, and I fail to see how its conisdered the best city in the world. But thats another story. I am not trying to upset NY fans or NY people. Its just my opinion. I know people think awful things about NJ.

[Knipps]

Devils have made it to the playoffs for a few years now ;)

[shane27]

the ranger player skated into his stick knocking it into his face.
thats still a high sticking call :nod:


BUT at least Dallas won, their my second fav team. mike modano is so dreamy :lol: also Henrik Lundqvist's brother Joel Lundqvist is on that team. GO DALLAS

[chemicalstylez]

Devils have a fanbase in lock. It'll never grow or die off. Just geographicly stuck between 2 monster markets with the Rangers and Flyers(Same goes for the Isles). Their playoff home games had about 4000-5000 Ranger fans in attendence as well, have to take that into account :)

Either way I'm a diehard hard Flyers fan and will say the Pens suck till the day I fall over :D

[redbanditZ28]

I don't want to say wow, but Wow. I can't believe my two favorite teams out of the whole league are going to verse each other for the cup. This is so damn cool. My second year back watching hockey and I get to see this. Part of me had a feeling about this, but I got a little scared when Dallas was starting to win the games. Turco was an excellent goalie for the whole playoffs. I hope Detroit gets Franzen back for the Pittsburgh games.

It should be cool to watch Zetterberg and Crosby go face to face. Malkin and Datsyuk as well. Although I like both teams, part of me wants to see Pittsburgh win it just because its been such a long time for them. But whoever wins is fine with me.

Its also cool that both teams have never met each other all season long and they don't seem to encounter each other a whole lot in the past. I can't believe Dallas fans tonight were saying "lets go Penguins". Funny, but sort of being poor losers.

So who do you guys want to see win between the two?
I am not gloating about this, I am just happy to see my two favorite teams verse each other. I am so psyched for this.

[Frosty]

Go Wings. I hope Crosby and Frankenstein(Malkin) get swept.

[redbanditZ28]

I just love how a lot of people hate the Pens so much on here. I mean it doesn't bother me, but I never knew there was so much hate against the Pens. Like I said, I am good with whoever wins. And Yes, Malkin does have a Frankenstein thing going. lol. I hope Franzen comes back for the Pens series.

How does everyone generally feel about the Red Wings on here?

[Frosty]

I'm a die hard Philly fan, to root for the cross state rivals would be selling your GM car and pimping a Hon-duh :lol:

Screw the Red Wings too lol

[redbanditZ28]

I am not trying to bash Philly but the Flyers haven't won a cup in around 25 years, right? I am asking, not trying to be a smart arse. I remember watching them with Lindros and Dejeurdan (however you spell his name). They had a good team back then. Its good you stick to your team through and through though. No offense, I am just happy Pittsburgh beat them as quick as they did. I could have seen that being a much longer series if Philly won 2 games. Whats your beef with Detroit though? I mean I understand the cross state rivalry.

[Frosty]

I'm a Flyers fan, I wish harm and death to other teams. I'm not a touchy feely hockey fan where I like other teams. They're the enemy, period. :D

Now, the actual hockey fan part of me wants to see a good series. However, as talented as the Pens are I don't see them beating the Wings. The Pens had a relatively easy walk through the playoffs and weren't really frustrated much. The Flyers were able to get under Crosby's skin a little and it showed. I think the Wings are going to exploit the Pen's D. The Pens D played the Flyers perfectly, the Flyers love to crash the net and get goals like that...the Wings have snipers on damn near every line so the Pens D is going to see a totally different team.

Fleury is going to have to be on his game or else it's going to be a quick series.

[alamantia]

Wings in 6

[redbanditZ28]

Well I wanted to avoid confrontation, but I really hate the Rangers and Flyers and I am happy Pittsburgh beat them both. I am okay with Dallas, but I am super happy Detroit beat Colorado.

It doesn't matter who wins the cup, both are the best this year. That would hurt my feelings if I were the Flyers and got whooped 6-0 by the Pens for the last game. There I said it. Now there are going to be arguments on here. But at least I tried to act nice about it at first. Now I am sure people are going to throw me team histories and facts back and forth telling me how the Pens suck.

But you can't take anything away from Detroit. They are perhaps the strongest franchise in the sport.

[Frosty]

I'm not really going to argue with you since you know nothing about the sport and haven't followed it years(by your own admission). Nothing like a bandwagon fan. :rofl:

I didn't even try to start an argument about anything so why were trying to be nice "at first"? I was kidding about hating other fans hence the ":D". I'm not sure where I was starting a confrontation. Your comment about not understanding how people can hate the Pens so much proves your clueless when it comes to the sport and rivalries. The majority of the board members are either Rangers or Devils fans with a few Flyers fans mixed in. They're all Atlantic Division rivals, NO ONE likes each other. Hell I even gave the Pens credit.

How can anyone say the Pens sucks when they're in the cup finals? Anyway, I'm not hurting, the fact that the Flyers got the Conf. Finals after finishing in last place last year is fine by me...and it didn't take a bunch of #1 and #2 picks like some teams(can you figure out who I'm talking about?). It's one of the best turnarounds in NHL history, I'm good with that. I find it funny how Pens fans come out of the woodwork when they were nowhere to be found before last year...it's been a putrid organization for the last 4 or 5 years(hence the ridiculous amount of high draft pics on the team) for years and it took Mario to save the team from moving.

I can't wait for next year already, the rivalry between the cross state teams has been reignited which is a great, GREAT thing for hockey. :)

EDIT: Sorry if I came off as a douche but I had no intention of a confrontation nor an argument but since you want to act like you know what you're talking about after watching a few games you need to be put in your place. :rofl:

[GP99GT]

I'm rooting for the penguins

[redbanditZ28]

I am not a band wagon fan. I just started watching hockey again, not because my teams were doing good, but just because I wanted to start watching again. Anyway, I started watching again last season, so its not as if I am just watching again to root for my winning teams.

And only you said I know nothing about the sport. I never said that I know nothing about it. You may think I know nothing about the sport, but that just proves your a fan boy who likes to pick on people who aren't as smart as you. I said I haven't watched hockey in a while and I got out of touch with it. I am not completey clueless as you think. I know Philly hasn't won the cup since the 74-75 season.
See, I know that much. And that much has got to hurt a fan like you. Sure they got better this season, but as long as there are free agents and multiple trades, no team is safe. I realize that Pittsburgh and Detroit may not be as good next year. Well maybe not Detroit because they are always good, but Pittsburgh may not be. But I'll still like them like I have since I started watching hockey back in the early-mid 1990s. Thus, I am not a bandwagon fan. Just because I stopped watching for a while doesn't mean I stopped being a fan.

I am not trying to start with you, but you condescend me with your recent post, and no one likes that. I don't doubt that many people love either the Rangers or Devils on this board, but I am sure they like other teams too.
I am glad however that you acknowledged that Mario saved the Pens. I devoted a whole term paper to that myself. He did more than just save the Pens. He saved a good portion of Pittsburgh with his power in the city.

I tend not to believe that Pens fans come out of the woodworks. Thats like saying most fans come out of the woodworks for most teams that haven't been doing well. And as for the cross state rivalry, I already stated in another post that I understand that. But I don't understand NJ hockey fans being against Pittsburgh. No one wants to see their team losing all the time. Of course attendance records are going to be low at Pittsburgh in past years for that reason. And of course fans are going to flood into the arena when they start doing good again. Thats with any sport. It is a give and take relationship with teams and their fan bases. Sure its Pittsburgh's fans job to keep their teams above ground, but it is also Pittsburgh's job to keep their teams strong and to make the fans happy too. There may have been a time when Pens fans came close to letting the franchise die out, but it's the Pen's job as a team to fix that problem.

You can take solace in the fact that Philly did as good as they did this season without getting top draft picks like other teams, and thats fine. But to act bitter about Pittsburgh getting good picks isn't fair. Every team should sooner or later get good players on their team. It was just Pittsburgh's time to get good players. I'd love to see how much Flyers fans get bashed when their time comes.

By the way, you did come off a little prickish in your most recent post and you didn't put me in my place. You just tried showing off your knowledge to me, assuming my knowledge is limited, which isn't the case. I never claimed to have known a lot since only watching a few games as of recently. You said that, not me. Watch for how you word things.

What parts of my posts lead you to think that I know nothing about Hockey? Just because of my lack of knowledge as to why Pittsburgh and Detroit don't play a lot during the regular season and why NJ hockey fans on here don't like Pittsburgh? Or was it something else I said?

[Knipps]

Cliffnotes!

[Frosty]

Where was I condescending towards you in my posts(aside from the last one)? I was joking around and having fun. Did I hurt your feelings because I said I hope the Pens get swept or the fact that I don't like the Red Wings? I was joking around and sorry if your vagina got hurt because of it.

I'm reading through my posts and I'm still shaking my head, I'm lost. I was giving the Pens credit for how they beat the Flyers and how I think the Wings will win. I also said that I don't root for other teams and how it's against the rules to root for a cross state rivals. It was filled with smilies and "lol", hence me having fun and joking around. If you can't understand that then I don't know what to tell you. If your skin isn't thick enough to deal someone not liking your teams then start a figure skating thread or something, sheesh.

[Frosty]

Cliffnotes!

He wanted to know why NJ fans don't like the Pens. He likes both the Pens and Wings(ironic). I said I don't like either team. I gave credit the Pens. He took that as me starting an argument and condescending. He took a shot at the Flyers(even though he barely watches the sport). He got whiny, his vagina filled with sand.

/posts

[JL8Jeff]

I think it will all come down to how well Fleury plays. The teams are pretty evenly matched up as both can handle the puck well, pass well and have great shooters. If Fleury gives up the rebounds like he did in the Flyers series then Detroit will most likely capitalize on it. But at this point in the season, it usually comes down to the team with the most beards that wins! :mrgreen: So I think it will be Detroit.

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[alamantia]

The Devils still Suck