Dodge Avenger

[79CamaroDiva]

I've started to see a few of these around town, and I have to say, they turn my head every time I see one. Its like a little charger, but with a 30 mpg v6. Apparently also come in AWD, but I don't think i'll need that. I think depending on how the summer goes with my business, if it starts getting good and gas keeps climbing, I might look at buying one of these, possibly as my first new car. Anyone else like them too? I don't think I've seen any pictures that do them any justice in person either.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Dodge_avenger-2007washauto.jpg/800px-Dodge_avenger-2007washauto.jpg

[V]

my friend with a charger R/T calls it a baby charger

[BigAls87Z28]

The Avenger is one of the most recalled cars of 2007 and 2008.
DO NOT buy this car. They are doing so bad, that Chrysler is now going through a crash course for a new program "Project D".
The V6 is a waste as well. 30mpg is great, but has zero power. The 2.4 and 6spd auto trans in the Malibu make 170hp and gets best in class gas milage. And you dont have to buy the ultra trim Malibu.

[Frosty]

I'm not sure how much they cost(the Avenger) but I'd take a new Malibu over the Avenger any day of the week and twice on Thursdays.

[Knipps]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g07AarNDNk
I loved the commercial :lol:

[79CamaroDiva]

cant say i like the styling of the malibu.. at all.

[BigAls87Z28]

So you like that afterbirth you posted above...but not the 2008 North American Car of the Year?
Well...you DO drive a late 2nd gen, and a Sebring Coupe 4th gen......

[79CamaroDiva]

So you like that afterbirth you posted above...but not the 2008 North American Car of the Year?
Well...you DO drive a late 2nd gen, and a Sebring Coupe 4th gen......

Yeah, and Toyota won Car & Driver's truck of the year... whats your point? Awards are 90% bs.. The styling on the Avenger is aggressive and eye catching, hence this post, I never said I drove one, I never even said I sat in one, I said I SAW them. The malibu looks like any other mid size sedan on the road today, and honestly, I had to google it to remember how much I didn't like it.. that's how memorable it is.

[BigAls87Z28]

Well I guess you are the exception to the rule. The Malibu has gotten tons of praise from auto rags, who normally rip American cars to shreads.
The Avenger is the biggest hunk of crap. Interior trim is hard plastic all over. Its cheap and cheezy, by far the worst in the catagory. You are better off buying a Kia or Hyundai.
On top of the continious problems and recalls this car has gotten over the past year, its amazing that people still even entertain the idea of owning this thing.
Get any other car BUT the Avenger/Sebring.

And for the record Toyota won by default, not cause it was better. There were no other half size pick ups in the comparo. It was the Tundra, and the 2500/3500 Silvy and F250-450 line.

[EVIL90SS]

i dont think id ever buy a new gm car...they all look ******, but the chrystlers def have their styling in the right direction, toyota trucks baby !

this is my bitch...
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/Evil90SS/catskills002.jpg

[79CamaroDiva]

Well I guess you are the exception to the rule. The Malibu has gotten tons of praise from auto rags, who normally rip American cars to shreads.
The Avenger is the biggest hunk of crap. Interior trim is hard plastic all over. Its cheap and cheezy, by far the worst in the catagory. You are better off buying a Kia or Hyundai.
On top of the continious problems and recalls this car has gotten over the past year, its amazing that people still even entertain the idea of owning this thing.
Get any other car BUT the Avenger/Sebring.

And for the record Toyota won by default, not cause it was better. There were no other half size pick ups in the comparo. It was the Tundra, and the 2500/3500 Silvy and F250-450 line.


you know what? You're a hunk of crap. stop kissing GM's tiny hiney and start looking at other manufacturers. I know you read a lot, and I know you can link me to various articles written by biased authors. That doesn't mean they're always right. I'm not defending the car, because I've never driven it. But I'm also not going to base any decisions on what people who get paid to tear other manufacturers apart say.


BTW, I still love you, even if you're crap.

[BigAls87Z28]

This is not a review. Sit in one. Its a piece of ****. Dodge has ZERO under control. Thier styling is ugly as sin. The rear kick up is such a goofy look for such a small sedan. The Charger is ugly, the Avenger is no different.
Why anyone would get a Charger over a G8, or why you would get an Avenger over a Malibu is probably a die-hard Chrysler fan.
This is not a GM bias, the Avenger is the biggest piece of garbage out there today.

[Tru2Chevy]

i dont think id ever buy a new gm car...they all look ******, but the chrystlers def have their styling in the right direction, toyota trucks baby !

this is my bitch...
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86/Evil90SS/catskills002.jpg

Oh yea, there's that truck that you tell me you regret buying every time I talk to you ;)

- Justin

[BigAls87Z28]

The Tacoma...is that with or without the rusting frames?

We could also talk about the "Truck of the Year" Problems with tail gates, driveshafts, transmissions, engine cams....and the fact that MT even published the fact that the truck has a ton of recalls, they chalked it up to "teething" problems.

Uh yeah.

Here is biased for you. I would rather drive a pink V6 2008 Mustang over an Avenger.

[GP99GT]

i know the old avenger was a POS...Chrysler is very hit-or-miss with their car reliability.

I do like the way it looks though, contrary to the belief of "everyone"

[maroman88]

ive seen one up close, it looks better from far away lol. i do love the charger, but this was jsut over kill to make the smaller cheaper car look identical

[Knipps]

Guess what?! Nissan trucks are soon to be built by Chrysler. oh snap!

[BigAls87Z28]

Thats Nissan trucks...not Toyota.
If Toyota wanted too, they could buy Dodge. Nissian is looking for a cheap way to make vehicles, and what a better way then to share the cost of a plant with another company that is already making them there.
The Nissan Titan and the Ram will be sister trucks.

[WildBillyT]

The Tacoma...is that with or without the rusting frames?


Damn straight.

Somebody at work had a '99 with that problem. I crawled under there to have a look for myself and it was striking to see how quickly it deteriorated in almost 10 years. And I know a thing or two about rust repair...

Edit- She turned it in for 1.5x the max blue book value, which is what they were offering.

[slugger27nj]

My GF's brother has one (Avenger), and my official review is as follows:

Meh. The End.

That about sums it up :)

[V]

i loved my old avenger, 1996, 140k miles, paid 100 for it after a ball joint broke while my friend was driving. then 200 in used parts(including a dodge windsheild banner and superbright fogs) and i had a great beater/winter car... then sold it on ebay for 1250.

[BonzoHansen]

I'd look elsewhere, but that's just me. I'd rather the new Vibe/Matrix. I've never liked most 'regular' Dodges.

[LS1Hawk]

When I was in HS one of my friends had an old Avenger and that thing was pretty bitching. Not crazy about this new one though. A little to gimmicky for me. And the fact that it looks like a squished Charger doesn't help either.

[Rich189]

I test drove one when looking for my beater granted it was at the low end of my spending spectrum but compared to even the colbalt the avenger handled worse had no power and felt more like a tin can... id look elsewhere just some off the top of my head the new matrix a camry a base model legacy/ impreza vw rabbit etc. all get 23mpg plus ive been getting 25 or so with my flat 6 legacy i bet the base 4 will do around 27-28

[1_Hot_SOM_WS6]

One of the guys I work with has an 08 Avenger....he really doesnt like it and cant wait to trade it in on a different car....never says exactly why he doesnt like it though.

[sweetbmxrider]

newer dodges and family are junk. i like how some of the cars and trucks look, but they have so many TSB's and crap parts on them, its just a headache. gm is doing some nice things with the newer trucks. rubberized undercoating on the frames and cross members! i've seen it on the avalanche and an escalade esv. those suckers have 22"s stock!

if i were looking into a new car, import wise i'd stick to hondas and toyotas. nissans not so much...though the owners always love them. vw and audi is a no no. domestic market is leaning towards gm. i've heard some bs issues with new fords that put them in the realm of dodge. shop wise!

[qwikz28]

allow me to be the first to offer input having nothing to do with offering an alternative idea or reliability statements: those cars drive terrible. the question is not necessarily whats wrong with them, but whats right with them? awful drive, awful drivetrain, awful interior, and a subjectively awful exterior. my point is such: you would have to be an idiot to pay any money more than an even trade with your jeep for that vehicle. the competition puts it to shame. drive one, and then go drive a mazda 3 or ford fusion. if you can honestly tell me you like the avenger better i will go trade my camaro in on a prius because i will have lost hope in the automotive industry

[EVIL90SS]

hey al there hasnt been any recalls on the tacoma, and my frame has no rust on it, and i have had no problems at all, and neither has anyone else that bought one. the reason i said i shouldnt have bought it is my old truck, i could crash into **** and run over stuff and wouldnt care....i gata keep this one in one piece until its paid for. as a matter of fact mine is a 4.0 v6 w/ 6sp and i raped my cousins 08 gmc std cab long bed with the 5.3 and an auto. gm cars suck

[WildBillyT]

hey al there hasnt been any recalls on the tacoma, and my frame has no rust on it, and i have had no problems at all, and neither has anyone else that bought one. the reason i said i shouldnt have bought it is my old truck, i could crash into **** and run over stuff and wouldnt care....i gata keep this one in one piece until its paid for. as a matter of fact mine is a 4.0 v6 w/ 6sp and i raped my cousins 08 gmc std cab long bed with the 5.3 and an auto. gm cars suck

Here is some reading for you. Your Tacoma looks newer than the ones that are affected (1995-2000).

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/08/toyota-paying-big-bucks-for-bad-tacos/

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/07/toyota-extends-rust-warranty-on-older-tacoma-pickups-to-15-years/

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f1200e2

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=209056

[qwikz28]

Here is some reading for you. Your Tacoma looks newer than the ones that are affected (1995-2000).

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/08/toyota-paying-big-bucks-for-bad-tacos/

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/07/toyota-extends-rust-warranty-on-older-tacoma-pickups-to-15-years/

http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.f1200e2

http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=209056

the news one are being investigated for the same uncontrollable acceleration as with teh prius.

[BonzoHansen]

LOL, they are buying tons of tacomas back at 1.5x book value. Then there is the engine sludge issues.....

[SteveR]

LOL, they are buying tons of tacomas back at 1.5x book value. Then there is the engine sludge issues.....

there is the same problem with the Camrys. My friend got a brand new engine because of the engine sludge issues.

[bad64chevelle]

My buddy had an 05 Tacoma that was a nice truck. he put like 20k on it and a few months ago he decided to trade it in on something less expansive since he is getting married next year. Well, good thing he did because it dropped a valve two days after he traded it in. :shock: we couldnt believe it.

[Savage_Messiah]

My personal, subjective view on the matter?


Saying one of these is not bad looking / the interior is decent is akin to saying brian peppers looks like any normal human being

[12secondv6]

When there were spy shots of the dodge avenger I was strongly considering it.... I LOVE the styling, interior wasn't half bad, power plant seemed fine to me. The only thing that might stop me from buying one is because I can get a Benz for the same price ;) If I could not, then I would get one.




My experience with dodge.....

2004 dodge neon.
Best of 38 mpg
Worst of 26 mpg

Nothing broke in the 30,000-35,000 miles I had it.

I was VERY happy with it.... I had ZERO complaints about it. Sure it was a relativerly cheap interior..... but it ALWAYS cleaned up nice and VERY durable and it cost me $12,100!


My experience with GM.....

1997 Pontiac Firebird
1996 Pontiac Trans Am
1972 Chevy Chevelle

Both Pontiac's have had wiper issues, window issues, pop up headlight issues, rattling/ cheap interior issues.

Chevelle - very few things could go wrong on it

My experience with Mercury....
1991 Mercurcy Topaz
1992? Mercury Sable

Cheap cars.... topaz had the rear drum brake explode twice.... the internal parts shot through the brake drum.... sable had the brakes fail on me... F that, I want working brakes.

My experience with Hyundai
2002 Hyundai Elantra

Wife's car..... factoring the "slight" lack of maintenance before I was in the picture, I am damn impressed. Sure it is an inexpensive car... GREAT gas mileage (34 mpg)... minor problems but still going at 130,000 miles

My experience with Mercedes-Benz
2003 C230 coupe
2006 E350
2007 E350
2007 SLK280

Flawless cars... each one gave better fuel economy than advertised... best of 35 mpg in the E350... they were PUT THROUGH HELL and survived all nightmares. I will continue with the benz's

[Savage_Messiah]

cant say i like the styling of the malibu.. at all.

What specifically don't you like?

[79CamaroDiva]

What specifically don't you like?

http://www.islanddragway.com/melissa/malibu.jpg


I dont like any of it. When I walk away from my Camaro, to this day, I still turn and look at it and think "damn, thats a nice looking car." There is no part of me that would say that about a meh designed sedan. The malibu looks just like anything else on the road, there's nothing that sets it apart, and like I said, I couldn't even recall exactly what it looked like, when I even purposely checked it out while it was at the Rockaway Mall over the winter. Nothing stands out at all.

The Avenger on the other hand, I saw one, did a double take because its not a Charger, and every time I've seen one, I've said "damn, that's a nice looking car."

Thats what I specifically don't like about the Malibu.

[Savage_Messiah]

*shrug* I have that "damn that's a nice car" reaction daily to the Malibu in our driveway

[slugger27nj]

*shrug* I have that "damn that's a nice car" reaction daily to the Malibu in our driveway
I do, too. Well, not to yours of course, but to the one we're considering.

[BonzoHansen]

http://www.islanddragway.com/melissa/malibu.jpg


I dont like any of it. When I walk away from my Camaro, to this day, I still turn and look at it and think "damn, thats a nice looking car." There is no part of me that would say that about a meh designed sedan. The malibu looks just like anything else on the road, there's nothing that sets it apart, and like I said, I couldn't even recall exactly what it looked like, when I even purposely checked it out while it was at the Rockaway Mall over the winter. Nothing stands out at all.

The Avenger on the other hand, I saw one, did a double take because its not a Charger, and every time I've seen one, I've said "damn, that's a nice looking car."

Thats what I specifically don't like about the Malibu.




LOL, just like Ford, you circle the problem. LOL


Different strokes I guess, I think all the dodges try too hard to look like ram trucks. That's wy they make different cars.

[Untamed]

Top Dollar (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000699/): So you're him, huh?... The Avenger, The Killer of killers. Nice outfit, not sure about the face though.

My daily quote from The Crow, and nowhere near the topic of this discussion. :wink:

http://www.michaelwincott.org/Wavs/TDgreetingcards5.jpeg

[79CamaroDiva]

*shrug* I have that "damn that's a nice car" reaction daily to the Malibu in our driveway



Different strokes I guess,

exactly..

to me, the malibu looks like you can take a badge from any other company and slap it on there and make it believable. The avenger and charger, even if you don't look at the grill, are unmistakably Dodge. :shrug:

[Savage_Messiah]

http://www.islanddragway.com/melissa/malibu.jpg




The more I look at that the more I'm thinking "mmm, that's one sexy piece of machinery :drool:" :nod:

[Tsar]

The more I look at that the more I'm thinking "mmm, that's one sexy piece of machinery :drool:" :nod:
where are you getting your crack from? that's one fugly piece of... machinery as you called it.

i would drive the new civic before i touch that.

[79CamaroDiva]

where are you getting your crack from? that's one fugly piece of... machinery as you called it.

i would drive the new civic before i touch that.

I cant believe I agree with you....

[SteveR]

http://www.islanddragway.com/melissa/malibu.jpg


LOL

I dont like how they decided on where the panel separations were going to be. The fender/bumper joint goes right up the middle and to the hood right through the middle, and the fender joint going up the window pillar, and the hood looks like it came off a toy car, it looks way too small, and the lines look like mud, nothing sharp or sleek or even contrasty, just a blah line to the car. It just looks way to plain. It just looks too half assed for me.

[BigAls87Z28]

Thats actually a really ****** angle of the car. My neighbor just got a brand new LTZ, and my goodness this car looks pretty. But what really makes this car stand above the rest, is that in the past only the top trim looked the best. But from the LS to the LTZ, every model looks stunning in person.

And thats just the outside. The inside, where you will spend the majority of your time with the car, blows any type of lead the Avenger might have.

http://www.cardata.com/images/2008_new_cars/Dodge/2008_Dodge_Charger_RT_interior.jpg



http://image.motortrend.com/f/car-news/chevrolet-announces-pricing-for-the-2008-malibu/7035355+w600+cr1+re0+ar1/2008-chevrolet-malibu-interior.jpg


Its not even FAIR! I guess you cant please everyone, but the Avenger is by far the worst car in its class. Even if it does look like an ugly Charger.


The "captured" hood of the Malibu is going to start being a trend. A lot of cars will start to use this look. Instead of making the hood part of the leading edge of the nose, it will just be a flap of metal that does not play around with the features of the front end. Another car that uses this "captured" hood is the G35 and G37. Camaro also used this look for the concept.

[sweetbmxrider]

malibu's are in no way stunning. they just work well.

[SteveR]

That "captured" hood needs to be "set free"

[Tsar]

LTZ is pushing 30k mark, for that price i would rather drive the new CTS or MB C300. Both of those are way better, although cost a little extra...

[12secondv6]

http://image.motortrend.com/f/car-news/chevrolet-announces-pricing-for-the-2008-malibu/7035355+w600+cr1+re0+ar1/2008-chevrolet-malibu-interior.jpg



Did someone ***** themselves in the car?

Sorry Al, I don't like that brown interior...... On MB's we have designo interiors (Espresso Edition) that have a similar color..... and I dislike them also

[BigAls87Z28]

Sure, but not everyone wants a CTS or a MB or a BMW.
LTZ's can now also be had with the 2.4 and 6spd auto. 6spd auto will be available for all trims sans LS, standard for LTZ.
The Malibu, from where it has come from to where it is now, is stunning for a family sedan.

Chevy offers several colors. Brick/Ebony is only available in LTZ, and in person it looks AWESOME!! My neighbor and the Tech I work with both have LTZ's with this interior...its hotness.

Here are the other colors.

http://www.new2008chevymalibu.com/images/chevrolet-malibu-2008-interior.jpg

Base LS/Hyrbid Interior

http://images.motortrend.com/features/auto_news/2007/112_0711_05z+2008_chevrolet_malibu+interior_view.j pg

http://autoreview.belproject.com/media/1/20070904-2008-chevrolet-malibu-interior.jpg

http://static.taume.com/image/196.jpg

http://images.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0802_16z+2008_chevrolet_malibu+interior.jpg



There are a couple more variations, but there are a lot of choices to pick from.

and look at that IP..oooooo

http://thechevymalibu.com/malibu%20gauges.jpg

[WildBillyT]

The Malibu, from where it has come from to where it is now, is stunning for a family sedan.*

*= If you do not count the 60's.

[BigAls87Z28]

The 60's it was a trim option, and a Malibu then is different then Malibu now. Big block and a 4spd doesnt make it better. The Malibu has come along way from the old N-Body of the mid 90's, and light years away from the G body based Malibu's of the late 70's and early early 80's.

[WildBillyT]

The 60's it was a trim option, and a Malibu then is different then Malibu now. Big block and a 4spd doesnt make it better. The Malibu has come along way from the old N-Body of the mid 90's, and light years away from the G body based Malibu's of the late 70's and early early 80's.

Yes, I know it's a trim option. It is still the origin of the name at GM. A big block and a 4 speed makes damn near anything better in terms of enjoyment.

Truthfully, this new Malibu is definetly a big step forward. The past iterations were pretty nondescript. It was basically a GM Taurus. I know, my wife drives an '02 V6 LS. I'd rate it a 6 or 7 out of 10. This new one (at least the higher trim options) look pretty decent.

[BigAls87Z28]

You are being really generious or you keep up on the 02.
Id vote that my 04 is about a 7. Its a solid car, just not the hottest ride on the block. Malibu is a good 9. It has its shortcomings, such as lack of a screen based navigation system, but thats about it.
252hp, 6spd auto with paddel shifters, two tone leather interior, and with teh new 2.4/6spd powertrain combo will be the best in its class for gas milage. The Tech I work with says his wife looooves it. The car has a very nice and upscale look to it, especially in LTZ trim.

[qwikz28]

and regardless of whether or not certain people in this thread like the styling of the malibu, the avenger is still a terrible car. why won't people listen to me?

vitals- the new civic is a great car, Chrysler is dead. there is no comparison.

[79CamaroDiva]

i'm not sure where you're all getting the idea that its a terrible car? I just looked at Edmunds, who I feel is unbiased on reviews, and both the editor and the consumer reviews are good. A lot of people agree that the Interior is too cheap looking, and the 4 cyl is under powered, but other than that, nothing as terrible as you're GM Fan Boi's are saying :shrug:

http://www.edmunds.com/dodge/avenger/2008/consumerreview.html

[qwikz28]

from thecarconnection.com:

Quite simply, the four-cylinder Avenger will be fine for the rigors of the commute or small-family duty, but unless you hold a special place in your heart for the styling cues shared with the larger Charger, you owe it to yourself to check out the competition. And for those who want to stick with a Big Three brand in this class, we'd recommend the four-cylinder Ford Fusion for those who appreciate sharp handling, or the base Chevy Malibu for those who lean toward ride and refinement.

melissa there are far better cars in teh segment

[bad64chevelle]

the avenger is still a terrible car. why won't people listen to me?


I want to know when you test drove the car

[qwikz28]

I want to know when you test drove the car

touche, but the reviews and general public buying trends don't leave room to believe any other way. how could chrysler be in such trouble with the best midsizer on teh market? truth is that it doesn't. i read alot of carlounge material and hear what they say. thats an unbiased forum, and its rental car quality for rental car prices. i'd rather put my money elsewhere. until i find a good review of the car, i'll stick to my first instinct.

[Tsar]

vitals- the new civic is a great car, Chrysler is dead. there is no comparison.
I didn't say it was bad, i just wouldn't prefer it. After i get out of college next year it will be on the list, however it will be on the bottom along with scion tc. Unless i get a ****** job than it will get back to the top :lol:

[BonzoHansen]

Did someone ***** themselves in the car?

Sorry Al, I don't like that brown interior...... On MB's we have designo interiors (Espresso Edition) that have a similar color..... and I dislike them also

Yes, that brown interior blows. But the other ones look nicer.


I've driven & worked on enough small chryslers to know I never want one. They are all just modified Aries K-cars. Really only the now dead Neon was kind of different. Tinny & cheap, chintzy interiors. I'm not pulling an Al here and pushing GMs, I just think for the $$ there are cars that offer a better driving experience.

But Diva you do what you like, this is America!

[JerzyIroc]

i test drove an avenger and im with mel they're nice. they do look different, i turn my head everytime i see it. i love the way they look honestly though i can see what people mean by a little wierd. the interior isnt too bad. they ride good but it is slow as balls. overall i think they're good. definatly better than the old ones. BUT, i also have to say the malibu is just leagues ahead of it. i personally love the exterior, obviously some dont. but if you compare everything else to every other car in its segment its not even close. its miles ahead of any car in its segment import or domestic in terms of interior. flat out there is no interior nicer. ive been in the new camry (friend just bought one a few weeks ago) ive been in the new accord (uncle has one) test drove the avenger and went inside the altima during the auto show. and again none have a nicer interior. the ride in the malibu is simply awesome. its pretty damn quick too. the brakes are great. comfortable as hell. Malibu definatly ftw. ive alwys loved gm. but now i think any Gm fan finally has some cars to brag about and be proud of.

[Mike]

i love how everyone on here is talking about the interiors and most of them have 4th gens....

al...i bet the malibu would be even better if it didnt have to deal with your extra weight hanging from its balls

[Tsar]

i love how everyone on here is talking about the interiors and most of them have 4th gens....

al...i bet the malibu would be even better if it didnt have to deal with your extra weight hanging from its balls
:lol: nice post.

[BigAls87Z28]

Im sure it would Mike, Im sure it would.

[JL8Jeff]

I like the looks of the Avenger but I know I would never buy a Chrysler/Dodge. I've seen my mom have problems with every Dodge she has had and when I worked for DOT the Dodge vans were lucky if they started and ran 5 days in a row. If it was raining, then forget it.

[unstable bob gable]

Dodge Neons FTMFW!!!!

[Mike]

quick question for all the naysayers. how many have driven the car? how many have gone to the dealer and sat in one?

melissa isnt dumb, she wont buy a piece of crap car. but all this hate from people that dont have personal experience reeks of fanboy crap. i say, go test drive one, if the car is as much of a piece of junk as this thread would make you believe....drive back to the dealer, get back in the camaro, and LEAVE ...... then test drive the malibu, see if the "awesomeness" of the car makes you overlook the fact that it looks blah, if not, leave

you could always wait on the v6 models of the camaro or challenger

[qwikz28]

quick question for all the naysayers. how many have driven the car? how many have gone to the dealer and sat in one?

melissa isnt dumb, she wont buy a piece of crap car. but all this hate from people that dont have personal experience reeks of fanboy crap. i say, go test drive one, if the car is as much of a piece of junk as this thread would make you believe....drive back to the dealer, get back in the camaro, and LEAVE ...... then test drive the malibu, see if the "awesomeness" of the car makes you overlook the fact that it looks blah, if not, leave

you could always wait on the v6 models of the camaro or challenger

its also ignorant to think that every bad review of the car is wrong and that Chrysler has overcome their reliability issues with this one car. i, for one, like melissa and don't want her making any unfavorable financial decisions, especially out of college. and trust me, i'm far from a GM fanboy. i spend most of my time on thecarlounge.com which is run by a vw site. i'm a car enthusiast, not a gm enthusiast. but i do like the malibu....

[BigAls87Z28]

Drove the Malibu, drove the Avenger, drove the Sebring, drove the Fusion...
Also drove a new Accord and Camry.
Avenger is very cheap inside, and the overall drive is lackluster. V6 is as powerful as the average 4 cyl in this segment.
The only advantages the Avenger has over the Malibu is DVD navigation screen and MyGig 30 gig hard drive as options. 09 Malibu has OnStar standard with turn by turn directions as well as all othe other gear free for one year. It also Bluetooth connectivity combined with the OnStar. USB and Aux inputs for MP3/iPod as well in the face of the radio.
Malibu rides a lot nicer then pretty much any car in its class. Thats from reviews in car rags to people I know that have driven it to me.

[SteveR]

It also Bluetooth connectivity combined with the OnStar. USB and Aux inputs for MP3/iPod as well in the face of the radio.


Fusion has all that junk standard, as well as SYNC.

[qwikz28]

Fusion has all that junk standard, as well as SYNC.

the fusion is a very well liked car, its handling is praised as being of the best in the segment. and the car will be even more attractive with the new drivetrains next year and the complete redesign coming shortly after

[Mike]

there we go, INFORMATION rather than people just trash talking...

[Mike]

wouldnt a g6 be another alternative?

[SteveR]

the fusion is a very well liked car, its handling is praised as being of the best in the segment. and the car will be even more attractive with the new drivetrains next year and the complete redesign coming shortly after

I actually really like the Fusion. The interior is really nice, it handles great, and the price is pretty good. What they need to do with it is offer a stick on the V6 AWD Sport model instead of just an auto (you can get a stick with the I4 model).

[qwikz28]

wouldnt a g6 be another alternative?

i think the g6 would be a closer competitor to the avenger than a malibu. closer in price, size, and release date. i can't comment though cause i am infatuated with the styling of the g6 sedan, i don't know why

[SteveR]

wouldnt a g6 be another alternative?

oh god no :lol: I rented one for two weeks once and it really was the worst car I ever drove. Lets see, no gear indicator at night so you have to guess what gear you're in, the door handles on the inside are at the rear of the door, so when the door is open, you have to take off your seatbelt and lean all the way out of the car to close the door, road noise was ridiculous, handling was stiff and painful, interior was cheesy, and the seats were uncomfortable. I rented a cheapo Hyundai 4 cyl. stick hatchback two months later and drove it from Denver to Aspen and back in a blizzard and felt better in that than the G6 :lol:

[Mike]

lol

[BigAls87Z28]

Yeah...G6 is not a good choice. If you wanted something outside of Malibu, the Aura is also another Epsilon car that has a nice style, nice interior, and offer a lot of the same stuff Malibu does. Aura does have stiffer handling then Malibu. Aura is also a world better then Avenger. It also offers a crap load more room.

Fusion is a good car, but the Aura and Malibu are both about a notch ahead of it. I cant get over the Gillet Fusion grill. Apparently, other people couldnt either, and now we are getting a more Ford Euro, same with the Taurus.
I would get the Milan over the Fusion.

[maroman88]

i saw a non RT avenger yesterday, yea, i looked twice, couldnt figure out what the hell that ugly thing was LOL

[BonzoHansen]

i think the g6 would be a closer competitor to the avenger than a malibu. closer in price, size, and release date. i can't comment though cause i am infatuated with the styling of the g6 sedan, i don't know why

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[WildBillyT]

I actually really like the Fusion. The interior is really nice, it handles great, and the price is pretty good. What they need to do with it is offer a stick on the V6 AWD Sport model instead of just an auto (you can get a stick with the I4 model).

My college roommate drives a V6 AWD Fusion as his company car. He beats on it pretty hard and it stands up well.