Loud exhaust ticket?!?!

[Predator86]

Im driving around town and a cop pulls me over because i was stopped to long at a stop sign because i was talking to my friend which i guess was kinda suspicious...but anyway he also says my exhaust is WAY to loud!!

thats insane, granted it was 2 in the morning but its just a flowmast american thunder...i have the cat and the stock manifolds....it is NOT loud at all..

i told him that the kit is 50 states legal but he didnt care so is there anyway i could get a printed document from the website or anywhere that states that it is a legal system because i am not about to convert back to stock!:evil:

[aslowcamaroz28]

new jersey does not have a load exhaust ticket it has to be load and smoking and did the cop use a desabel meter?

[usp55]

thats crazy

[maroman88]

39:3-70 Noisy Muffler $54

yes a BS ticket but thats jersey for ya

[69BirdX]

Motorcycles can get away with being ridiculously loud why cant a car?
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Dodge monaco specifications (http://www.dodge-wiki.com/wiki/Dodge_Monaco)

[qwikz28]

Motorcycles can get away with being ridiculously loud why cant a car?

i think its cause motorcycles are considered weekend rides that are rarely driven. cars are considered daily drivers. it doesn't make sense but thats my guess.

[79CamaroDiva]

Find out what the actual statute is, and what the guidelines are. There has to be somewhere in writing what a loud exhaust actually is (ie 90 db at 100 ft perpendicular to the exhaust at 3000 rpm)

[1QWIKBIRD]

Find out what the actual statute is, and what the guidelines are. There has to be somewhere in writing what a loud exhaust actually is (ie 90 db at 100 ft perpendicular to the exhaust at 3000 rpm)

I don't know that an actual decibel limit is defined anywhere. 198ESP just went through this for state inspection at Baker's Basin and upon failing for a loud exhaust asked what the criteria are and where they could be found. None were provided to him and he was told it is discretionary. Hopefully he'll see this thread and chime in on the specifics, but he put up a fight and basically was fed a bunch of crap when I last talked to him.

Chris

[WildBillyT]

I'm not sure if this passed:

http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62054

[nuttyprofessor]

Another reason why NJ and it's corrupt police suck. Last I read in GM High Tech April 2008 there is no law stating a decibel limit. It just basically says that an exhaust system needs to be in good working order and can not have an exhaust cut out. Check it out for the exact wording.

I am still a firm believer that loud pipes save lives....

[Tru2Chevy]

39:3-70 Loud, Defective or No Muffler

1. All motor vehicles having a combustion motor to be equipped with muffler.
2. Must prevent excessive or unusual noise and annoying smoke.

Sounds pretty subjective to me.....I also thought that they had adopted SAE J1169:

The SEMA model provides for the testing of vehicle exhaust noise to a standard adopted by the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) with an established noise limit of 95-decibels (SAE J1169). Under the SAE standard, a sound meter is placed 20 inches from the exhaust outlet at a 45 degree angle and the engine is revved to three quarters of maximum rated horsepower. The highest decibel reading is then recorded.

- Justin

[sweetbmxrider]

dude thats soooooooo beatttttttt. i will fight the hell out of those tickets if/when i get em. a cop can't give you a speeding ticket because it looked like you were going fast. such crap.

[ShitOnWheels]

I don't know that an actual decibel limit is defined anywhere. 198ESP just went through this for state inspection at Baker's Basin and upon failing for a loud exhaust asked what the criteria are and where they could be found. None were provided to him and he was told it is discretionary. Hopefully he'll see this thread and chime in on the specifics, but he put up a fight and basically was fed a bunch of crap when I last talked to him.

Chris

Inspection is different from the law on which tickets are based. James had the same issue with inspection with his loudmouth catback and bullet muffler. But it's below the decibel limit of all towns (each town and/or county has different decibel limits).

You could try to fight it, but it'll cost you more in court fees/lawyer fees etc than the ticket is worth.

It's similar to a ticket for "exhibition of speed". It's bogus, but you can't beat it, and if you do, the financial cost isn't worth it.

[deadtrend1]

54 dollars upfront and be done with it.

Or take it to court to fight it, risking that you have to pay the $30.00 some fees on top of that and miss work and sit in a crowded hot boring courtroom. ANd if you get a lawer add fees to that.

I would just take it like a kick in the nuts and pay it unfortunetly. It's BS but think about how much more expensive taxes would be if bullcrap tickets like that werent given out!!! :)

[DaSkinnyGuy]

You think thats bad they told me that my V6 was told loud. But i proved the cop wrong. I said one i have a cat, two i have a muffler, 3 i have no ehaust leaks, I asked the cop where in his rule book it states he can just tell me that my car is to loud, he told me he didnt have it but my exhaust was still to loud, so i asked if he could prove to me that my exhaust has exceded 95d at from 2 feet behind my car at 2,000rpm and he said no i will just giv you a warning. I have been hearing more and more people getting pulled over for this, most eople dont realize the cop must prove you have exceded the 95dbat 3/4 your maxium rated horsepower to give you a ticket. The same goes for NJ inspection, if they dont have the proper equipment to show that your car has exceded the 95db, then they must pass you. No where in the rule does it say someone can just say by word of mouth your car is to loud.

[procamaroz28]

thats ******** thanks for proving how useless cops are... u shoulda ripped up that ticket and threw in that pigs face!! lol J/K dont do that

[Tru2Chevy]

most eople dont realize the cop must prove you have exceded the 95dbat 3/4 your maxium rated horsepower to give you a ticket. The same goes for NJ inspection, if they dont have the proper equipment to show that your car has exceded the 95db, then they must pass you. No where in the rule does it say someone can just say by word of mouth your car is to loud.

Did you read all the responses to this? NJ hasn't (to any of our knowledge) adopted the SAE testing standard. The law is quoted in my post above.

If you have different info, please share your source......

- Justin

[DaSkinnyGuy]

current NJ law:
N.J. Stat. @ 39:3-70 (2002) [Mufflers]

Every motor vehicle having a combustion motor shall at all times be equipped with a [muffler] in good working order and in constant operation to prevent [excessive or unusual noise and] annoying smoke, AND NO PERSON SHALL MODIFY THE EXHAUST SYSTEM OF A MOTOR VEHICLE IN A MANNER SO THAT THE EXHAUST SYSTEM EMITS IN EXCESS OF NINETY-FIVE DECIBELS AS MEASURED BY THE SOCIETY OF AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERS (SAE) STANDARD J1169 ( May 1998 ). IT SHALL NOT BE A VIOLATION OF THIS SUBSECTION UNLESS PROVEN BY PROPER AUTHORITIES THAT THE EXHAUST SYTEM MODIFICATION RESULTS IN NOISE AMPLIFICATION IN EXCESS OF NINETY-FIVE DECIBELS UNDER THE PRESCRIBED SAE TEST STANDARD.

A COURT MAY DISMISS ANY ACTION FOR WHICH A PERSON IS PROSECUTED FOR OPERATING A VEHICLE IN VIOLATION OF THIS SUBSECTION IF IT IS FOUND THAT THE DEFENDANT HAD REASONABLE GROUNDS TO BELIEVE THAT THE VEHICLE WAS NOT OPERATED IN VIOLATION OF THIS SUBSECTION.

[and] n No person shall use a [muffler] cut-out, bypass or similar device upon a motor vehicle on a highway.

[sweetbmxrider]

i should make a copy of that...

[IROCdan330]

this is why i have that handy dandy little switch...

[JL8Jeff]

current NJ law:
N.J. Stat. @ 39:3-70 (2002) [Mufflers]

Every motor vehicle having a combustion motor shall at all times be equipped with a [muffler] in good working order and in constant operation to prevent [excessive or unusual noise and]

That right there tells you they can fail you for excessive or unusual noise and it's subjective. The 95 decibel part is for aftermarket exhaust systems to put an obvious limit on that.

[sweetbmxrider]

That right there tells you they can fail you for excessive or unusual noise and it's subjective. The 95 decibel part is for aftermarket exhaust systems to put an obvious limit on that.

just a flowmast american thunder...i have the cat and the stock manifolds

soooo....

[FBODS4EVER]

ahhh another one of those giv 'em a badge supercops huh.

[79CamaroDiva]

I think i've only ever had one cop tell me he thought my exhaust was too loud. Every other time my exhaust was mentioned, it was usually the cop telling me it sounded good, and then talking about either their own car or someone they knew having a similar car (this is in one of teh 2nd gens i mean). :shrug: guess I just get the good cops. I even got away with doing a burnout in a parking lot once, because I was honest about it :lol:

[Little G]

I read this as two separate clauses to the law:

current NJ law:
N.J. Stat. @ 39:3-70 (2002) [Mufflers]

[CLAUSE 1]

Every motor vehicle having a combustion motor shall at all times be equipped with a [muffler] in good working order and in constant operation to prevent [excessive or unusual noise and] annoying smoke,

AND

[CLAUSE 2]

NO PERSON SHALL MODIFY THE EXHAUST SYSTEM OF A MOTOR VEHICLE IN A MANNER SO THAT THE EXHAUST SYSTEM EMITS IN EXCESS OF NINETY-FIVE DECIBELS AS MEASURED BY THE SOCIETY OF AUTOMOTIVE ENGINEERS (SAE) STANDARD J1169 ( May 1998 ). IT SHALL NOT BE A VIOLATION OF THIS SUBSECTION UNLESS PROVEN BY PROPER AUTHORITIES THAT THE EXHAUST SYTEM MODIFICATION RESULTS IN NOISE AMPLIFICATION IN EXCESS OF NINETY-FIVE DECIBELS UNDER THE PRESCRIBED SAE TEST STANDARD.

A COURT MAY DISMISS ANY ACTION FOR WHICH A PERSON IS PROSECUTED FOR OPERATING A VEHICLE IN VIOLATION OF THIS SUBSECTION IF IT IS FOUND THAT THE DEFENDANT HAD REASONABLE GROUNDS TO BELIEVE THAT THE VEHICLE WAS NOT OPERATED IN VIOLATION OF THIS SUBSECTION.

[and] n No person shall use a [muffler] cut-out, bypass or similar device upon a motor vehicle on a highway.

Therefore, if either clause 1, which is admittedly subjective in nature, or clause 2 is satisfied, then the law has been broken.

On a side note, if you're rolling around at 2am in the morning with a loud Camaro, you're kind of asking for it.

Please don't misconstrue my response as a flame or a defense for police or anything. Many on this board (especially Tru2Chevy) can tell you my general disdain for law enfocement. I'm just looking at the law through my legal eyes.

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[Savage_Messiah]

Back when my v6 failed inspection 3... or was it 4?... times for loud exhuast, I had the cops in my town dig through every book and they found no decible limit. Unless that has changed in the past couple years...

[Predator86]

thanks for the replys

See my issue here is that this was a cop in the town where i live...normally i would just eat the ticket and be on with my life but i can't risk getting hassled constantly.

I'll probably just pay this one and argue with the next cop that trys it. And if its the same cop as last time then so be it, im not getting pushed around.

[RiggsLW81]

that sux dude. i would print out a copy of the law and keep it in the glove box with registration...cant hurt to show a cop if he pulls you over..at least it 'appears' you know the laws you're not breaking..

[WildBillyT]

...cant hurt to show a cop if he pulls you over..at least it 'appears' you know the laws you're not breaking..

Yes it can. You can piss the cop off enough to give you more tickets.

[BigAls87Z28]

First off, no cop, no where, has the right to pull anyone over for bs. Thats the end.
The rule states that an aftermarket exhaust cannot exceed 95db's in accordance to SAE rules of testing.
I dont care if this is 2am or 2pm, him standing at a stop sign sure as hell didnt pull a loud enough noise for the cop to go "OH MAN THATS TOOOO LOUD!!"
Its ********, and I would file a greviance against him with the police department. Mail it to the head of police, mail it to the mayor, and one to yourself and do not open it. You now have a record of it, and very possible that if that same cop pulls you over again for this same instance or something else that is on the cusp of ********, you can move foward with possible legal action.
Nothing was being done, no law was being broken, it was nothing but a revenue maker for them.

[BigAls87Z28]

Yes it can. You can piss the cop off enough to give you more tickets.


For what? Knowing your rights? Knowing the law? Making him look like a big dick at 2am?

[RiggsLW81]

Amen BigAl..i was a boy scout so i say be prepared. if you dont attempt to know ur rights, the cops aint gonna help you're defense...only stiffle it with their BS. stick it to the man who sticks you. know your rights and defend them. carry a copy of that law. I probably will from here on out too.

[WildBillyT]

You guys have to be kidding me. You honestly think it's a good idea to tell a cop how to do his job?

I know firsthand that you will piss some cops off if you do that (if not most). I was in my buddy's 2000 Z28 when we got pulled over with a "loud exhaust" in Maryland. We had an electronically calibrated decibel meter in the car which we tried to use to prove our case. That really pissed the guy off and we were hassled for a while as he went over every square inch of the car looking for stuff to write us on. He ended up not finding anything but it was a royal pain in the balls.

Your mileage may vary, of course. But I wouldn't take that chance.

[BigAls87Z28]

You guys have to be kidding me. You honestly think it's a good idea to tell a cop how to do his job?

I know firsthand that you will piss some cops off if you do that (if not most). I was in my buddy's 2000 Z28 when we got pulled over with a "loud exhaust" in Maryland. We had an electronically calibrated decibel meter in the car which we tried to use to prove our case. That really pissed the guy off and we were hassled for a while as he went over every square inch of the car looking for stuff to write us on. He ended up not finding anything but it was a royal pain in the balls.

Your mileage may vary, of course. But I wouldn't take that chance.


Is it a good idea? I dunno, depends on how much enjoyment you will get out of it.
Your story made me smile. You pulled it out, you proved him that he was abusing his power, he walked around your friends car trying to find something, and nothing happend. So he walked away all upset, shut down, and realized that you made him look like the biggest douche?
And you didnt get a half-chub from that? I would be ALL smiles. Ill take some hassle if all that is gunna happen is him get all bent out of shape, work like a dog trying to find something, and then walk back to his car. Then he has to answer to his/her boss why they pulled someone over and no tickets were given. The cop had to be there for 10-20 mins more then it had to be, which is just eating up time he could be nailing some guy doing 100 in a school zone.
Cops like that give GOOD cops a bad image.

[procamaroz28]

You guys have to be kidding me. You honestly think it's a good idea to tell a cop how to do his job?.

well cops are retarded they dont even know how to do their own job.

seriously giving out loud exhaust ticket and meanwhile there is something more serious going on or they could be spending time for a better reason like helping elementry school children cross a street??

[unstable bob gable]

Guess they're gonna love me when I pull the muffs off the AMX! :mrgreen:

[procamaroz28]

Guess they're gonna love me when I pull the muffs off the AMX! :mrgreen:

ya lol if u get pulled over and the cop tries to say somthing to u just keep yellin "WHAT!!!!???" like u cant hear him jus keep ur car runnin durring. lol J/K

[JL8Jeff]

First off, no cop, no where, has the right to pull anyone over for bs. Thats the end.

You're wrong at the very beginning of your argument. Cops can pull you over for suspicion of anything. Then if they find any kind of violation it will just add up quicker. Sitting for an extended period of time at a stop sign is suspicious by itself. Loud exhaust could be the sign of a defective exhaust system which is enough reason to be pulled over as well. Do you have tint? That's another reason. Taillight out? Talking on the cell phone? etc. Arguing with a cop is the dumbest thing you can do. Argue it in court. Prove you're right in court, you can't prove it out on the street without a judge around. Or, don't do things that can get you pulled over. And stop talking trash about cops, you guys sound like a bunch of crybabies.

[BonzoHansen]

Guess they're gonna love me when I pull the muffs off the AMX! :mrgreen:

heh heh heh he said muffs heh heh heh

[BigAls87Z28]

You're wrong at the very beginning of your argument. Cops can pull you over for suspicion of anything. Then if they find any kind of violation it will just add up quicker. Sitting for an extended period of time at a stop sign is suspicious by itself. Loud exhaust could be the sign of a defective exhaust system which is enough reason to be pulled over as well. Do you have tint? That's another reason. Taillight out? Talking on the cell phone? etc. Arguing with a cop is the dumbest thing you can do. Argue it in court. Prove you're right in court, you can't prove it out on the street without a judge around. Or, don't do things that can get you pulled over. And stop talking trash about cops, you guys sound like a bunch of crybabies.

Yeah, cops can and do, but they shouldnt. So he was at a stop sign for a second longer then most people would. But then again, most people dont stop at a stop sign, so I guess damned if you do, damned if you dont.
There were no laws broken where there?
Is there a statute on the books that says you must come to a stop sign and wait no more then 10 seconds unles traffic is coming?
No, no laws were being broken. The cop just wanted to bust balls. Thats all. And on top of this, he gave a bogus ticket to a young kid in a sports car.

[JL8Jeff]

Let's see, someone sitting at a stop sign for an extended period of time at 2am. I wonder if any drug sales go on in cars idling at a stop sign or the side of the road? Or it could be somebody looking for a prostitute, they tend to walk over to cars that are sitting idle at stop signs or pull up to a curb. It was totally suspicious that he was sitting there like that. I would prefer the cops check out that scenario as opposed to driving by and ignoring it. It has nothing to do with a young kid in a sports car, it's the situation. And I wish the cops would give some of the fart pipe idiots in my neighborhood tickets for loud exhaust because they are totally obnoxious and way too loud(like the Loudmouth) and wake people up in the middle of the night. There should be noise laws against that. Don't get me started on motorcycles, that's the most ridiculous thing in the world that they get away with open pipes.